[00:40] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: ping
[00:43] <johnhaitas> wrst: you here?
[00:44] <wrst> well barely johnhaitas thunderstorm and server issues :)
[00:47] <johnhaitas> wrst: you know of a reasonably priced CA? or how to self-sign ssl certs in a legit way?
[00:48] <johnhaitas> wrst: stay safe ;)
[00:49] <Unit193> We had a storm, but not big
[00:52] <johnhaitas> we have rain
[00:53] <johnhaitas> i think i was programming during the storm
[00:53] <johnhaitas> i went outside and it was cold and wet
[00:53] <johnhaitas> it was warm and dry when i started
[00:56] <Unit193> curl or wget
[01:01] <johnhaitas> curl
[01:01] <johnhaitas> depends
[01:01] <johnhaitas> but generally curl
[01:03] <Unit193> Both work for this, just didn't want to decide :P
[01:04] <Unit193> Not I have expand \o/
[01:13] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: pong
[01:14] <cyberanger> that storm seems to have made it here, just thunder & lightning, no rain yet
[01:14] <cyberanger> so I'm seeing 30-60 miles out maybe
[01:15]  * Unit193 wonders why he's still in Freenode
[01:18] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: you know the best way to produce/get a legit ssl cert?
[01:20] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: define legit
[01:20] <johnhaitas> will not be flagged by software as untrusted
[01:20] <johnhaitas> like web browsers
[01:20] <johnhaitas> or jabber
[01:21] <cyberanger> ah, so not legit, in a crypto sense, but a dumb software sense (self-signed is legit from a crypto perspective, but nothing to authenticate it's genuine except for the fingerprint)
[01:22] <johnhaitas> right
[01:22] <johnhaitas> or rather ... how does one become a CA? ;)
[01:22] <cyberanger> gonna cost time, money or both, it's gotta go through a Certificate Authoritiy
[01:23] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: there's already so many, and it's gotta be trusted in each machine, now if this were a company, one could make an internal, corprate CA, but really sounds like you need to look at verisign, godaddy, startssl
[01:24] <cyberanger> the very companies I never recommend (partially due to the flawed CA design)
[01:26] <cyberanger> startssl has some sort of a free tier, they do aim to be good at what they do
[01:26] <Unit193> cacert
[01:27] <cyberanger> Unit193: not an option, due to johnhaitas' requirement it be recognizied in jabber clients & web browsers (they're better than most CA's though, they really aim to follow the proper model)
[01:27] <Unit193> cyberanger: Some have it, but yeah, not all
[01:28] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: http://www.startssl.com/
[01:28] <cyberanger> Unit193: too few for the requirements
[01:28] <Unit193> Aye
[01:28] <cyberanger> it's disabled in ubuntu even
[01:29] <Unit193> Annoyingly, yes
[01:29] <binarymutant> don't you have to pay for ssl certs?
[01:30] <cyberanger> mozilla ignores it, apple too, can't see the status of microsoft, but come on, it's microsuck
[01:30] <binarymutant> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284
[01:30] <cyberanger> binarymutant: eh, few exceptions for that rule, but yeah
[01:31] <cyberanger> binarymutant: and self signed fails to meet johnhaitas' requirement of passing a CA check
[01:31] <binarymutant> ah bc clients have to accept it?
[01:31] <binarymutant> complicated process :/
[01:32] <cyberanger> binarymutant: well, pretty much, not just accept it, but accept it without user intervention
[01:32] <binarymutant> ya that's what I meant. Actually click a button or two
[01:33] <cyberanger> I could see doing that process though binarymutant if it were a company and IT were capabile enough to deploy & secure crypto (only seen fortune 500 companies & the DoD do that, or the little guy with an obsession for crypto)
[01:33] <binarymutant> debian does it
[01:34] <binarymutant> it is annoying though to accept them :D
[01:43] <cyberanger> I've done it with the DoD's Common Access Card
[01:43] <binarymutant> ^^ too scary for me
[01:43] <cyberanger> accept three CA's, then thousands of sites are verified against the Dod's certs
[01:44] <binarymutant> with debian all the different internal machine have to be accepted individually, quite annoying
[01:44] <cyberanger> the dod is a two-factor mutual system though, and they verify the CA's by the fingerprints
[01:45] <binarymutant> fingerprints??
[01:45] <binarymutant> wowza
[01:45] <cyberanger> binarymutant: like one should do with ssh, DoD tries to keep good crypto protocalls
[01:46] <cyberanger> verisign, comodo, idk what they do, I don't trust them for it (little choice though, widely used)
[01:46] <binarymutant> everyone uses verisign
[01:47] <binarymutant> it's like ~50$ though
[01:48] <cyberanger> yep, despite the fact there is little public scrutiny to how they operate
[01:48] <binarymutant> well like all security, they've been broken before
[01:48] <binarymutant> <-- isn't down with the security loop though
[01:48] <cyberanger> binarymutant: thing is, people have blind faith now, when the model is broken now
[01:49] <cyberanger> ssl & tls are fine, but the CA model is shot to .... yeah
[01:50] <binarymutant> all ssl has been broken too, security is loop. Break&fix&repeat
[01:50] <binarymutant> md5 collision or something idk
[01:57] <cyberanger> well, enough effort & time, resources, you can brute force anything
[01:58] <cyberanger> but that's beyond the NSA on a wide scale even
[01:58] <cyberanger> not aware of any attacks that work in a reasonable timeframe when everything is done correctly
[02:01] <binarymutant> idk I stray from sec.
[02:10] <cyberanger> I run headfirst into it with a tinfoil hat & a midevil javlin shouting charge
[02:10]  * cyberanger has the bruises to prove it
[03:55] <chris4585> I really wish my laptop wasn't a laptop
[03:56] <chris4585> I hooked all my desktop peripherals up to my laptop (28" monitor too) and it runs better than my desktop :/
[03:58] <binarymutant> :D
[03:58] <binarymutant> but it's a travelling desktop
[03:59] <chris4585> lol, basically but it puts my desktop to shame
[03:59] <chris4585> runs ubuntu smoother anyway
[04:00] <binarymutant> same here, but I <3 my laptop
[04:13] <Juzzy> man
[04:13] <Juzzy> i gotta hand it to apple
[04:13] <Juzzy> they really got their shiz together
[04:13] <Juzzy> so we stuck an apple TV on the end of our projector
[04:14] <Juzzy> now i can take my ipad, load my VDI client
[04:14] <Juzzy> and take control of the project with any app i need from anywhere
[04:14] <Juzzy> it's pretty sick
[04:26] <chris4585> my laptop also seems to last way longer using only external monitor
[04:26] <chris4585> so I'm happy
[04:30] <vychune> <.<
[04:30] <vychune> >.>
[04:30] <vychune> o.o
[04:31] <vychune> anybody round these parts?
[04:32] <cyberanger> vychune: perhaps somebody is round, think I'm more of a stick figure
[04:32] <vychune> LOL
[04:32] <vychune> sup cyberanger
[04:33] <cyberanger> one horrible looking sky
[04:33] <cyberanger> ok, first one was better
[04:33] <cyberanger> not too much
[04:35] <vychune> hmm i hear that
[04:35] <vychune> rain just stopped here a while ago
[04:35] <vychune> the cold still looms
[04:37] <vychune> how was work?
[04:39] <chris4585> I wish it was cold here
[04:39] <cyberanger> same
[04:40] <vychune> chris4585: where are ya?
[04:41] <chris4585> florida
[04:41] <chris4585> its slowly getting comfortable now
[04:41] <chris4585> but still in the 80's :|
[04:42] <cyberanger> vychune: I want it cold enough to bring out the ice skates & snowboards
[04:42]  * cyberanger was a yankee, hockey hockey, go penguins
[04:42] <vychune> i have a friend at Florida Christain College there
[04:43] <vychune> cyberanger: i heard that
[04:43]  * vychune wants to learn snowboarding
[04:43] <chris4585> I just want it 45F year round
[04:43] <vychune> go Predators
[04:43] <vychune> ?!?!??!?!?
[04:43] <vychune> 45?
[04:44] <vychune> have fun with that lol
[04:44] <vychune> or learn to say eh? and move to northern Canada
[04:45] <chris4585> lol
[04:46] <chris4585> 45 is great weather, I don't like waking up and sweating
[04:46] <chris4585> if not 45 then 55 is good too
[04:46] <cyberanger> vychune: sorry vychune I like a team that knows what snow & ice is, without importing it
[04:47] <vychune> LOL
[16:45] <xpistos> \join #libreoffice
[16:52] <wrst> ha ha xpistos :)
[16:54] <johnhaitas> at least he didn't do the following
[16:55] <johnhaitas> \msg NickServ identify passwordForXpistos
[16:55] <wrst> oh i have came close a time or two
[16:55] <wrst> and hello johnhaitas and xpistos :)
[16:55] <xpistos> Hey
[16:56] <xpistos> my brain is frzzeld
[16:56] <wrst> join the club my friend ;)
[16:56] <xpistos> I can figure out how to append something to a column in libreoffice
[16:56] <xpistos> I wouild think that would be the easiest thing in the world
[16:56] <xpistos> but I keep cutting off the last character to add what I want
[16:57]  * wrst has much more experience on the dark side of office software
[16:58] <johnhaitas> hola wrst
[16:58] <johnhaitas> and xpistos
[16:58] <johnhaitas> :)
[16:58] <johnhaitas> xpistos: in the new job yet
[16:58] <xpistos> Monday
[17:45] <xpistos> A-Holes at Libre office ignored me
[17:46] <xpistos> finally I just concatenated what I needed copied it to note pad and pasted it back
[17:46] <xpistos> done
[19:16] <vychune> hey guys
[19:16] <vychune> forgot this was open
[19:17] <vychune> lol
[19:21] <cyberanger> wrst: you use Lotus Symphony?
[19:21] <cyberanger> hey vychune
[19:22] <vychune> sup cyberanger
[19:22] <cyberanger> not much
[19:22] <wrst> cyberanger: I have before i found it a couple of years ago to be kinda slow
[19:22] <wrst> and bulky
[19:23] <vychune> like lotus notes?
[19:25] <wrst> vychune: IMB'S take on open office
[19:25] <wrst> more or less, pretty neat just a little slow
[19:25] <vychune> oh ok
[19:26] <vychune> like openoffice?
[19:27] <wrst> yes but slicker appearance but slow as christmas
[19:27] <wrst> or *was*
[19:30] <cyberanger> wrst: you did say dark side of office suites
[19:30] <cyberanger> lol
[19:30] <wrst> well i was referring to the darker side cyberanger MS Office :)
[19:30] <wrst> I would say IBM is friendly towards open source atleast not a jerk :)
[19:30] <cyberanger> that's not dark, that's as bright as a fire in hell
[19:32] <wrst> ha ha
[19:33] <vychune> lol
[19:35] <vychune> getting off need the bandwitdh
[19:35] <vychune> brb
[19:56] <cyberanger> chatzilla eh, forgot that client existed
[19:56] <Unit193> Eh, can be helpful
[22:09] <johnhaitas> xpistos: good luck monday :)
[23:14] <binarymutant> Deep Space Window Manager = sweet name for a wm
[23:16] <Unit193> I would guess it's not as awesome as it's name though, am I right?
[23:19] <binarymutant> it might be, I don't like {{{lisp}}}{{{{though}}}}{and it's based}{{on stumpwm}}
[23:21] <binarymutant> so I haven't tried it
[23:24] <binarymutant> oh it's (((((lisp)))) not {{lisp}} oops :D
[23:30] <chris4585> nvidia 7025 or radeon 2100, which is better or are they equal crapola?
[23:31] <binarymutant> what's their speeds?
[23:31] <chris4585> thats the problem I can't really find specs lol
[23:31] <chris4585> one guy suggested the radeon
[23:32] <binarymutant> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units
[23:34] <binarymutant> radeon one came out later...
[23:35] <binarymutant> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units and the radeon is faster
[23:36] <binarymutant> by 75mhz
[23:45] <chris4585> ah thanks binarymutant
[23:45] <chris4585> well I'm glad I got that one then
[23:45] <chris4585> thanks to rush shipping I have a whopping $0.02 on my card lawl
[23:46] <chris4585> well regardless it'll be better than my old crappy nvidia 6150