[00:40] cyberanger: ping [00:43] wrst: you here? [00:44] well barely johnhaitas thunderstorm and server issues :) [00:47] wrst: you know of a reasonably priced CA? or how to self-sign ssl certs in a legit way? [00:48] wrst: stay safe ;) [00:49] We had a storm, but not big [00:52] we have rain [00:53] i think i was programming during the storm [00:53] i went outside and it was cold and wet [00:53] it was warm and dry when i started [00:56] curl or wget [01:01] curl [01:01] depends [01:01] but generally curl [01:03] Both work for this, just didn't want to decide :P [01:04] Not I have expand \o/ [01:13] johnhaitas: pong [01:14] that storm seems to have made it here, just thunder & lightning, no rain yet [01:14] so I'm seeing 30-60 miles out maybe [01:15] * Unit193 wonders why he's still in Freenode [01:18] cyberanger: you know the best way to produce/get a legit ssl cert? [01:20] johnhaitas: define legit [01:20] will not be flagged by software as untrusted [01:20] like web browsers [01:20] or jabber [01:21] ah, so not legit, in a crypto sense, but a dumb software sense (self-signed is legit from a crypto perspective, but nothing to authenticate it's genuine except for the fingerprint) [01:22] right [01:22] or rather ... how does one become a CA? ;) [01:22] gonna cost time, money or both, it's gotta go through a Certificate Authoritiy [01:23] johnhaitas: there's already so many, and it's gotta be trusted in each machine, now if this were a company, one could make an internal, corprate CA, but really sounds like you need to look at verisign, godaddy, startssl [01:24] the very companies I never recommend (partially due to the flawed CA design) [01:26] startssl has some sort of a free tier, they do aim to be good at what they do [01:26] cacert [01:27] Unit193: not an option, due to johnhaitas' requirement it be recognizied in jabber clients & web browsers (they're better than most CA's though, they really aim to follow the proper model) [01:27] cyberanger: Some have it, but yeah, not all [01:28] johnhaitas: http://www.startssl.com/ [01:28] Unit193: too few for the requirements [01:28] Aye [01:28] it's disabled in ubuntu even [01:29] Annoyingly, yes [01:29] don't you have to pay for ssl certs? [01:30] mozilla ignores it, apple too, can't see the status of microsoft, but come on, it's microsuck [01:30] http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 [01:30] binarymutant: eh, few exceptions for that rule, but yeah [01:31] binarymutant: and self signed fails to meet johnhaitas' requirement of passing a CA check [01:31] ah bc clients have to accept it? [01:31] complicated process :/ [01:32] binarymutant: well, pretty much, not just accept it, but accept it without user intervention [01:32] ya that's what I meant. Actually click a button or two [01:33] I could see doing that process though binarymutant if it were a company and IT were capabile enough to deploy & secure crypto (only seen fortune 500 companies & the DoD do that, or the little guy with an obsession for crypto) [01:33] debian does it [01:34] it is annoying though to accept them :D [01:43] I've done it with the DoD's Common Access Card [01:43] ^^ too scary for me [01:43] accept three CA's, then thousands of sites are verified against the Dod's certs [01:44] with debian all the different internal machine have to be accepted individually, quite annoying [01:44] the dod is a two-factor mutual system though, and they verify the CA's by the fingerprints [01:45] fingerprints?? [01:45] wowza [01:45] binarymutant: like one should do with ssh, DoD tries to keep good crypto protocalls [01:46] verisign, comodo, idk what they do, I don't trust them for it (little choice though, widely used) [01:46] everyone uses verisign [01:47] it's like ~50$ though [01:48] yep, despite the fact there is little public scrutiny to how they operate [01:48] well like all security, they've been broken before [01:48] <-- isn't down with the security loop though [01:48] binarymutant: thing is, people have blind faith now, when the model is broken now [01:49] ssl & tls are fine, but the CA model is shot to .... yeah [01:50] all ssl has been broken too, security is loop. Break&fix&repeat [01:50] md5 collision or something idk [01:57] well, enough effort & time, resources, you can brute force anything [01:58] but that's beyond the NSA on a wide scale even [01:58] not aware of any attacks that work in a reasonable timeframe when everything is done correctly [02:01] idk I stray from sec. [02:10] I run headfirst into it with a tinfoil hat & a midevil javlin shouting charge [02:10] * cyberanger has the bruises to prove it === wrst_ is now known as wrst [03:55] I really wish my laptop wasn't a laptop [03:56] I hooked all my desktop peripherals up to my laptop (28" monitor too) and it runs better than my desktop :/ [03:58] :D [03:58] but it's a travelling desktop [03:59] lol, basically but it puts my desktop to shame [03:59] runs ubuntu smoother anyway [04:00] same here, but I <3 my laptop [04:13] man [04:13] i gotta hand it to apple [04:13] they really got their shiz together [04:13] so we stuck an apple TV on the end of our projector [04:14] now i can take my ipad, load my VDI client [04:14] and take control of the project with any app i need from anywhere [04:14] it's pretty sick === Ukikie is now known as Unit193 [04:26] my laptop also seems to last way longer using only external monitor [04:26] so I'm happy [04:30] <.< [04:30] >.> [04:30] o.o [04:31] anybody round these parts? [04:32] vychune: perhaps somebody is round, think I'm more of a stick figure [04:32] LOL [04:32] sup cyberanger [04:33] one horrible looking sky [04:33] ok, first one was better [04:33] not too much [04:35] hmm i hear that [04:35] rain just stopped here a while ago [04:35] the cold still looms [04:37] how was work? [04:39] I wish it was cold here [04:39] same [04:40] chris4585: where are ya? [04:41] florida [04:41] its slowly getting comfortable now [04:41] but still in the 80's :| [04:42] vychune: I want it cold enough to bring out the ice skates & snowboards [04:42] * cyberanger was a yankee, hockey hockey, go penguins [04:42] i have a friend at Florida Christain College there [04:43] cyberanger: i heard that [04:43] * vychune wants to learn snowboarding [04:43] I just want it 45F year round [04:43] go Predators [04:43] ?!?!??!?!? [04:43] 45? [04:44] have fun with that lol [04:44] or learn to say eh? and move to northern Canada [04:45] lol [04:46] 45 is great weather, I don't like waking up and sweating [04:46] if not 45 then 55 is good too [04:46] vychune: sorry vychune I like a team that knows what snow & ice is, without importing it [04:47] LOL [16:45] \join #libreoffice [16:52] ha ha xpistos :) [16:54] at least he didn't do the following [16:55] \msg NickServ identify passwordForXpistos [16:55] oh i have came close a time or two [16:55] and hello johnhaitas and xpistos :) [16:55] Hey [16:56] my brain is frzzeld [16:56] join the club my friend ;) [16:56] I can figure out how to append something to a column in libreoffice [16:56] I wouild think that would be the easiest thing in the world [16:56] but I keep cutting off the last character to add what I want [16:57] * wrst has much more experience on the dark side of office software [16:58] hola wrst [16:58] and xpistos [16:58] :) [16:58] xpistos: in the new job yet [16:58] Monday [17:45] A-Holes at Libre office ignored me [17:46] finally I just concatenated what I needed copied it to note pad and pasted it back [17:46] done [19:16] hey guys [19:16] forgot this was open [19:17] lol [19:21] wrst: you use Lotus Symphony? [19:21] hey vychune [19:22] sup cyberanger [19:22] not much [19:22] cyberanger: I have before i found it a couple of years ago to be kinda slow [19:22] and bulky [19:23] like lotus notes? [19:25] vychune: IMB'S take on open office [19:25] more or less, pretty neat just a little slow [19:25] oh ok [19:26] like openoffice? [19:27] yes but slicker appearance but slow as christmas [19:27] or *was* [19:30] wrst: you did say dark side of office suites [19:30] lol [19:30] well i was referring to the darker side cyberanger MS Office :) [19:30] I would say IBM is friendly towards open source atleast not a jerk :) [19:30] that's not dark, that's as bright as a fire in hell [19:32] ha ha [19:33] lol [19:35] getting off need the bandwitdh [19:35] brb [19:56] chatzilla eh, forgot that client existed [19:56] Eh, can be helpful [22:09] xpistos: good luck monday :) [23:14] Deep Space Window Manager = sweet name for a wm [23:16] I would guess it's not as awesome as it's name though, am I right? [23:19] it might be, I don't like {{{lisp}}}{{{{though}}}}{and it's based}{{on stumpwm}} [23:21] so I haven't tried it [23:24] oh it's (((((lisp)))) not {{lisp}} oops :D [23:30] nvidia 7025 or radeon 2100, which is better or are they equal crapola? [23:31] what's their speeds? [23:31] thats the problem I can't really find specs lol [23:31] one guy suggested the radeon [23:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units [23:34] radeon one came out later... [23:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units and the radeon is faster [23:36] by 75mhz [23:45] ah thanks binarymutant [23:45] well I'm glad I got that one then [23:45] thanks to rush shipping I have a whopping $0.02 on my card lawl [23:46] well regardless it'll be better than my old crappy nvidia 6150