[00:19] <cnd> bryceh, RAOF: I have a small patch for oneiric's x server: http://paste.ubuntu.com/712635
[00:19] <cnd> it's an obvious fix for a code path that I must have missed testing
[00:19] <cnd> but it is hit everytime a touchpad gesture is accepted by our new gesture recognizer
[00:20] <RAOF> Causing a memory leak?
[00:20] <cnd> what's the best way to get this into oneiric, since precise won't have these patches
[00:20] <cnd> RAOF, no, dereferencing a NULL ptr
[00:20] <cnd> it's not obvious from the patch
[00:20] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[00:21] <cnd> but the if statement is literally "if (first)"
[00:21] <cnd> the if statement that you can't quite see at the top of the patch
[00:21] <RAOF> Nothing in oneiric actually hits this, right?  At least, *my* touchpad gestures don't seem to crash the server :)
[00:22] <cnd> no, you'll only hit it if you are using touch grabs on trackpads
[00:22] <cnd> which I am doing with my new gesture recognizer
[00:22] <RAOF> But it's still SRUable even if it doesn't apply to precise.
[00:22] <cnd> yeah
[00:22] <cnd> so that's my question
[00:22] <cnd> should I just leave precise as is?
[00:22] <cnd> create a new git branch for oneiric
[00:23] <cnd> and then upload following the sru procedure?
[00:23] <cnd> because precise hasn't actually deviated from oneiric yet, has it?
[00:23] <cnd> so I *could* upload it to precise too
[00:24] <RAOF> Precise hasn't deviated just yet, no.
[00:25] <RAOF> I've got an ubuntu+1 branch already which will become ubuntu once it's ready.  Until then, feel free to push to ubuntu and from there to oneiric-proposed.
[00:26] <cnd> RAOF, so I should skip precise?
[00:27] <RAOF> We can copy the upload from oneiric-proposed into oneiric-updates & precise (if we haven't already uploded a new server to precise, in which case we don't need to anyway ?)
[00:27] <RAOF> In short: yeah, skip precise.
[00:27] <cnd> ok
[00:37] <cnd> RAOF, bryceh: I'm going to upload to oneiric-proposed
[00:38] <cnd> heads up, just in case you were working on an sru too
[00:39] <bryceh> alright
[01:12] <cnd> RAOF, are you able to release a package into -updates?
[01:12] <RAOF> I am, yes.
[01:12] <cnd> there's an sru that has passed verification (though hasn't been tagged), and it's been a week
[01:12] <cnd> I was wondering if you could take a look
[01:12] <RAOF> Why hasn't it been tagged?
[01:13] <cnd> not sure
[01:13] <RAOF> Unless it's tagged it doesn't show up as green on the SRU page.
[01:13] <cnd> who is supposed to tag it?
[01:13] <cnd> bug 827958
[01:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 827958 in libgrip (Ubuntu Precise) (and 3 other projects) "eog crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_x11_window_get_xid() (affects: 36) (dups: 6) (heat: 160)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827958
[01:13] <RAOF> Anyone can tag it; the person who's done the verification is fine.
[01:14] <cnd> oh, in the past someone always came by and tagged it for me
[01:14] <cnd> they read the comments, and then tagged it as appropriate
[01:14] <maco> oh oh there are people
[01:14] <maco> can someone help me with how to respond to http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-nvidia-devel/2011-October/006721.html ? when you're done with that bug
[01:15] <cnd> RAOF, I may see the issue
[01:15] <cnd> I'm moving bugs to fix committed
[01:15] <cnd> instead of leaving them as in progress
[01:16] <cnd> RAOF, wiki.ubuntu.com/SRU says the SRU team will set the verification tags as appropriate
[01:16] <RAOF> Fix committed is the right status for "uploaded to -proposed".
[01:16] <cnd> ok
[01:16] <cnd> nm then
[01:17] <RAOF> Yeah.  We do set those tags.
[01:17] <cnd> hmmm, who sets the verification-needed tag?
[01:17] <RAOF> The person who accepts it into -proposed.
[01:17] <cnd> there seems to be a whole in the process, according to the wiki page
[01:18] <cnd> oh, I'm getting ahead of myself
[01:18] <cnd> the bug has verification-needed
[01:18] <RAOF> I think one reason that bug hasn't been tagged as verified is that it's not immediately obvious that it did succeed.
[01:18] <cnd> that's one thing I worried about
[01:19] <RAOF> So people browsing through their SRU mail won't necessarily go "ok, time to set verification-succeeded"
[01:19] <cnd> ahh
[01:19] <cnd> RAOF, does this bug look ok to you for being verified?
[01:19] <RAOF> And it's perfectly reasonable to raise these to ubuntu-sru members.
[01:19] <RAOF> It does, yes.
[01:19] <cnd> ok
[01:20] <cnd> it's only been 8 days, so just one day past the waiting period
[01:20] <cnd> so I didn't want to grab someone too fast
[01:20] <cnd> I just happened to notice that you are an sru member :)
[01:23] <RAOF> Marked as verification-done; once I've got through the pending-sru queue I'll run through the srus that are verified.
[01:25] <cnd> RAOF, ta!
[01:26] <cnd> maco, if you need info on the nvidia binary driver, tseliot would be the one to ask
[01:26] <maco> cnd: as far as i can tell, he's NEVER on irc
[01:27] <cnd> maco, he's in italy
[01:27] <cnd> maybe your timezones aren't overlapping
[01:27] <cnd> you could also email him at alberto.milone@ubuntu.com
[01:27] <maco> i'm in the eastern us. we should overlap at least for the morning
[01:27] <cnd> yeah, I know he's on in the morning
[01:28] <maco> i'll look again tomorrow then
[01:28] <cnd> I can try to ping him tomorrow morning as well
[01:28] <cnd> but I'm on the west coast, so I may not catch him either :)
[01:29] <cnd> maco, he'll be in orlando next week too
[01:29] <cnd> so you should be able to catch him on irc during the day then as well
[01:29] <cnd> oops, nm, looked at the wrong alberto
[01:30] <cnd> he'll be at uds in a week and a half
[01:30] <RAOF> maco: nvidia-settings is open-source, though.  I've not checked the source, but the fallback-to-compile-time-variable sounds like it would work.
[01:31] <maco> yeah i missed that bit of the code when i was going "see if it makes a call to pkg-config...oh hey look it does, ok i guess that bug reporter is right"
[06:14]  * RAOF is surprised by "do_butmap_changed"
[08:41] <ara> hey!
[08:41] <ara> is there any main bug where you guys are tracking the issue with jockey and hybrid gpu systems? 
[08:42] <ara> (where jockey will show drivers, but will be unable to load them)
[08:47] <tjaalton> ara: maybe filed against jockey, dunno
[08:47] <ara> tseliot1, ^ any ideas?
[08:51] <tseliot1> ara: no, sorry, I've never seen that bug report
[08:53] <ara> OK, thanks, then I will suppose that the master bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/660443
[08:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 660443 in jockey (Ubuntu) "Recommended drivers don't work with Nvidia Optimus (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:53] <ara> although it is strange to not see more activity on it
[09:11] <tseliot1> ara: yes, that one should work as the master bug
[10:44] <eltocia> Hi, my keyboard and mouse are forzen at log in (11.04 64), I edited xorg.conf adding AutoAddDevices false, and only the mouse came back. I reinstalled xserver-xorg and fglxr with no success. Any suggestion? thx
[10:50] <tjaalton> "frozen" means you have no mouse/kbd
[10:50] <tjaalton> if you add that option you're on your own
[10:52] <eltocia> yes, they are dead at log in. but I can switch to terminal with alt F1, after pressing alt-sysrq-r. I tried to restore a backup'd copy of xorg.conf, too. But it didn't work
[10:54] <tjaalton> file a bug without the AutoAddDevices-nonsense
[10:57] <eltocia> ok, I'll do it. With that line in xorg.conf I'm able to use the mouse, though. With the original conf, or with a new one generated with X -configure, mouse doesn't work, unless I edit the config
[10:59] <tjaalton> what if you start it without xorg.conf?
[11:01] <eltocia> they're still dead
[11:02] <tjaalton> install pastebinit, and run 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[11:02] <tjaalton> post the link here
[11:05] <eltocia> ok, I'll need to reboot to do that, because I'm using an other OS right now. I'll come back as soon as I have done it. 
[11:35] <tocia> Hi, here's my log as requested before. http://paste.ubuntu.com/713097
[11:36] <tjaalton> tocia: nope, you have the xorg.conf in place
[11:42] <tocia> I suspect it could be a layout issue, since HAL is working, xorg is working and it's not the hardware. But I still can't understand why the mouse is dead until I add the option AutoAddevices "False". Well, I'll need to look for something else, or just do a clean install and see if it works
[11:42] <tjaalton> HAL isn't used
[11:42] <tjaalton> udev is
[11:42] <tjaalton> why can't you just move the xorg.conf aside and redo what I asked
[11:44] <tocia> I did boot without xorg.conf, mouse and keyboard are still dead, but in this case when I switch to a terminal with alt F1 my screen freezes
[11:44] <tjaalton> for starters, purge fglrx
[11:45] <tocia> done, nothing changed, I purged xserver-xorg, too
[11:45] <tjaalton> uh
[11:45] <tjaalton> no need to do that
[11:46] <tocia> it was a suggestion, I tried lot of things this two days
[11:46] <tjaalton> suggestion by whom?
[11:47] <tjaalton> anyway, unless you've rebooted and removed the xorg.conf, you still have the fgrlx module loaded etc
[11:48] <tocia> It was a suggestion in the ubuntu chat, I don't remember who said that to me. I did reboot when I rm the xorg.conf
[11:49] <tjaalton> so did you purge the 'fglrx' package before reboot?
[11:51] <tocia> yes
[11:52] <tjaalton> what does 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-evdev' tell
[11:55] <tocia> I need to reboot to do anything on ubuntu, with no keyboard on the GUI, I have to browse the internet on win7.
[11:56] <tjaalton> you don't need to browse internet..
[11:56] <tocia> and to chat here, too
[11:56] <tjaalton> i suspect you don't have -evdev installed
[11:57] <tjaalton> reinstall xserver-xorg and see if it installs the missing drivers
[11:59] <tocia> I already did a reinstall of that package after I purged it. But I can do it again. along with fglrx
[12:01] <tocia> Anyway, Is that right to purge fglrx? sudo apt-get remove --purge xorg-driver-fglrx fglrx*
[12:34] <tocia> I purged fglrx, reboot, reinstalled xserver-org, reboot, same as before. apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-evdev says: Installed 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu12/ Candidate 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu12/ Version Table:/ *** 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu12 0/500 http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main amd64 Packages/ 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:35] <tjaalton> ok, so pastebinit Xorg.0.log
[12:36] <tjaalton> it worked with 11.04 at some point?
[12:40] <tocia> It worked since last weeks, I upgraded to 11.10, I had some problems and I reinstalled 11.04, it worked for a couple of days until I had this problem. When I was installing some package with Synaptic suddenly mouse and keyboard frozen, I rebooted and they were still dead
[12:42] <tjaalton> ok
[12:42] <tjaalton> i'd rather fix the issues with 11.10 though
[12:47] <tocia> I had black screen and fglrx problems after the second reboot of the installation, I wasn't able to resolve them, so I reinstalled 11.04. I'll come back with the log in 5
[12:57] <tocia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/713160
[13:01] <tjaalton> tocia: and again, you have the xorg.conf there..
[13:01] <tjaalton> tocia: pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:03] <tocia> mmh, I lookd for the xorg.conf after the reinstall of xserver-xorg and I didn't find it, now I see it's been used, too
[13:05] <tocia> that's the old one I used before the issues http://paste.ubuntu.com/713172/
[13:05] <tocia> now I reboot and look if there's a new one
[13:06] <tjaalton> doesn't the default ati driver work, or why do you use fglrx?
[13:08] <tocia> yes, they work, but I'm using the fglrx since very long without any problem
[13:09] <tocia> I'll try to switch back to ati drivers and see if something changes
[13:10] <tjaalton> but had issues in 11.10.
[13:11] <tjaalton> i'd say install that and use the default driver..
[13:13] <jjohansen> So I have been suffering from an odd corruption for a while
[13:13] <jjohansen> http://people.canonical.com/~jj/screeshot.png
[13:13] <tocia> Ok, I'll give a shot at that.
[13:13] <tjaalton> jjohansen: xterm?
[13:14] <tjaalton> oh
[13:14] <jjohansen> tjaalton: no not just xterm, all windows
[13:14] <tjaalton> not just the term
[13:14] <jjohansen> goes away when the window get refreshed
[13:14] <tjaalton> which hw/driver?
[13:18] <jjohansen> tjaalton: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[13:18] <jjohansen> 	Kernel modules: intelfb, i915
[13:18] <maco> tseliot1: hello?
[13:18] <jjohansen> sorry, was doing lspci in a terminal on the wrong machine at firts :)
[13:19] <tseliot1> maco: hi
[13:19] <maco> tseliot1: i need help replying to debian nvidia people
[13:19] <maco> tseliot1: can you look at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-nvidia-devel/2011-October/006721.html ?
[13:20] <tjaalton> jjohansen: this with oneiric?
[13:20] <jjohansen> tjaalton: yes and natty
[13:20] <jjohansen> tjaalton: actually I can't say most recent natty, I upgraded the machine early in the cycle
[13:21] <tjaalton> my x61 seems to work fine
[13:22] <jjohansen> hrmmm, I was afraid of that.  Possibly a hardware issue on my end
[13:22] <tjaalton> is this with dualscreen or some other special case?
[13:23] <jjohansen> nope, regular laptop, shows up after a day or two uptime, no suspend needed
[13:23] <jjohansen> even
[13:23] <tjaalton> ah, ok
[13:23] <tjaalton> tbh i don't use the machine much anymore
[13:24] <maco> tseliot1: this was related to bug 721453
[13:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 721453 in nvidia-settings (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "nvidia-settings should depend on pkg-config and python-gtk (affects: 3) (dups: 2) (heat: 26)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721453
[13:25] <tseliot1> maco: yes, sorry, I'm multitasking (poorly). I'll have a look at it
[13:25] <maco> thanks
[13:25] <jjohansen> tjaalton: well it is getting a little long in the tooth, but I haven't found a machine to replace it with yet.  It has a nice 12.1" 1400x1050 ips display and they don't see to do anything close anymore
[13:26] <tseliot1> maco: oh, so the fix is already in
[13:26] <maco> tseliot1: in ubuntu, yes, i was suggesting it to debian as well and then the usefulness of adding pkg-config came up and i dont really know
[13:27] <maco> i know its on my system and nvidia-settings works for me!
[13:27] <tseliot1> maco: do they use my code to make use of policykit (through pygtk2) in Debian?
[13:28] <maco> i dont know. is that whats breaking it here? ubuntu-specific patchiness?
[13:31] <tseliot1> maco: I'm wondering why the package would need pkg-config at runtime
[13:33] <tseliot1> maco: screen-resolution-extra is what the nvidia-settings panel uses (thanks to an Ubuntu patch) to allow users to write xorg.conf through policykit (i.e. without having to run the whole app as root)
[13:34] <maco> tseliot1: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/nvidia-settings/precise/view/head:/src/XF86Config-parser/Generate.c i was looking at line 217 when i went "hey yep that sure looks like it uses pkg-config"
[13:35] <maco> what i missed was line 248 
[13:36] <tseliot1> maco: now, that's new to me. Forget what I said about policykit, it their code that's using pkg-config at runtime.
[14:00] <tseliot1> maco: do you need anything else from me to help you reply that email?
[14:19] <maco> tseliot1: is it that netiher is required in debian?
[14:21] <tseliot1> maco: I believe that pkg-config is needed in debian (since the Nvidia code calls it) but pygtk2 is not (as we use it only in Ubuntu). Good catch BTW
[14:22] <maco> tseliot1: debian people said that with the fallback they dont think pkg-config is necessary either
[14:26] <tseliot1> maco: if the problem doesn't affect debian users, then I guess they're right. This would mean that, somehow, the fallback is broken in ubuntu. I don't think our move to multi-arch could have caused this. Did you see what find_libdir() returns when using the fallback?
[14:29] <maco> no. im leaving a message on the bug asking the original reporter how he determined pkg-config was needed
[14:31] <Dice-Man> hey guys
[14:31] <Dice-Man> i got a problem with my touchpad
[14:34] <tseliot1> maco: it sounds like a good idea ;)
[21:32] <bryceh> heh, ironically just had the most annoying tech support call ever, with my mother, setting up dual head
[21:34] <mdeslaur> bryceh: hehe :)
[21:38] <bryceh> she wanted the displays mirrored but at their own native resolutions
[21:38] <bryceh> secondary problem - seems to be no way in gui to set which monitor is primary, so with it !cloned everything was on the wrong monitor
[21:40] <mdeslaur> bryceh: remind me to buy your mother any hardware I need fixed :)
[21:40] <bryceh> heh
[21:41] <bryceh> it's funny to realize the dorky minuscule things that roadblock non-technical users
[21:42] <bryceh> like, dragging the panel toolbars from screen to screen is hard because there's no visual clue that things are "dragging"
[21:42] <bryceh> or in the monitor gui that you have to click on the laptop box to set the laptop settings.  _quite_ perplexing to mom
[21:43] <mdeslaur> yeah, doing tech support for non-technical users is a real eye opener for details like that
[21:44] <mdeslaur> my mother in law used to click column titles in evolution to sort her mail by date or subject, and if she moved the mouse by a couple of pixels while clicking, evolution thought you were trying to drag away the column to delete it.
[21:46] <bryceh> yeah my dad has shaky hands and so certain seemingly simple tasks can be kind of challenging for him
[21:46] <bryceh> and touchpads are right out
[21:49] <mdeslaur> bryceh: now fix my bugs, or I'll send you mom a poulsbo
[21:49] <mdeslaur> :)
[21:50] <bryceh> heh