[00:42] Do you know how can we activate the 3rd level on Xubuntu 11.04? 3d level is the ability to enable the "at", the "euro" and other signs which you can do with the keys, not with shift but with one of the other (win/apple or alt) keys [02:09] hi I have just tried to boot xubuntu 11.10 on an emachines E443 (AMD E350 APU) system hangs with no messages any suggestions? [03:09] So, the xubunu session menu on the panel doesn't give me the option to switch to a different user or the guest user, as the Gnome session menu does. Is there any way to add this, or is this simply not a feature in Xfce? [03:16] Ah, seems that the xfswitch-plugin is what's needed? [03:17] Hm. It gives me: "Unable to switch to new display." "The naem org.gnome.DisplayManager was not provided by any .service files." [03:22] Because I'm using lightdm instead of gdm? [03:27] Yup, that was it. === jansen is now known as sumpygump [03:34] Hm. Maybe I can handle this just by starting a second DM on the "f7" virtual console? [03:35] Or "f8" or whatever the alternate is... === Ukikie is now known as Unit193 [07:08] is it possible to use a extended monitor in xubuntu 10.11? [07:20] sorry i lost connecton [07:20] use arandr or nvidia tool or ati tool [07:29] Ah, looks like some people are back. If I wanted to run a display manager on two of the Ctrl-Alt-F7 etc. virtual consoles, logging in with Xfce on one and as a different user with Gnome on the other, does anybody know how I might do that? [07:31] log in to virtual console (tty), run right kind of export and run gnome-session or startxfce4 [07:32] export DISPLAY=:0.1 or something, google should know [07:33] DM:s shouldn't work [07:52] Hm. So, basically a startx solution. [07:53] DMs can work, though I've lost the page on doing it in older versions of ubuntu. [08:11] I can't seem to get that working, somehow. [08:17] set up a .xinitrc and login to tty2 and do startx -- :1 [08:40] In my window list applet, I'd like to set it so that... Say I only have one window open. I don't want it to just expand and cover the entire space of the applet. How can I set a size limit for individual window tabs without shrinking the whole applet? [08:58] well_laid_lawn: Doesn't work. [08:58] Complains that an X server is already running. [08:59] cjs: then try startx -- :2 [08:59] Ah, as a command line param rather than setting DISPLAY; that's where I was going wrong.... [08:59] in a tty [09:00] set up a .xinitrc and login to tty2 and do startx -- :1 [09:01] Hm. Works until I switch back to my other session, and then back to the new one. Then I get the text console back. [09:02] I can hit ^C to shut down that X server. [09:04] the second X session will be on tty8 [09:04] so ctrl+alt+F8 [09:14] Oh! I see. [09:16] heh :) === epzil0n is now known as Guest70091 [09:49] Hello world [09:58] herro [09:59] any idea if alc889a can conflict with nvidia accelerated graphics drivers? [10:17] Hm. So, do I want xfdesktop? If I don't use the icons or anything like that, what does it do for me? [10:17] (It does seem to prevent fvwm from getting the mouse button clicks on the background that would bring up menus.) [10:18] maybe just kill it and see [10:22] Well, that's a bit difficult, since it's set to auto-restart. I can't seem to find the config file for my sessions, either. (I have a standard one and an fvwm one, with a chooser that comes up when I log in.) [10:25] try pkill xfdesktop & in a terminal and save the session [10:25] Oh, man, Xfce lets me have different accel. settings for different mice! I'm in love. [10:26] well_laid_lawn: How does putting pkill in the background help? [10:26] heh that was just a habit [10:27] Ok, in that case, I've already tried that. [10:28] Looking at it in the Session tab of the Session and Startup configuration, it says that the "Restart Style" is immediately. If I pkill xfdesktop, the background that lightdm was using appears for a moment, and then xfdesktop restarts. [10:29] I think I need to find the config file that's got this in it; there seems no way to remove xfdesktop from that list. (It's not in the "Application Autostart" tab. [10:30] Oh, wait! [10:30] You think that big red button that says, "Quit Program" could be it? :-) [10:31] (Doh!) [10:33] Wow, I seem to have all the basics working. [10:34] I am free of Gnome at last! Break out the champagne! [10:40] cheers [11:07] Gotta go. Thanks again! [12:15] anyone updated to 11.10 successfully? :P [12:15] *upgraded* [12:15] yep [12:15] I'm always afraid to update too early [12:15] on 2 xubuntu's and 1 ubuntu pc [12:17] update potentially causes problems, no need to hurry [12:18] aboudreault, seems stable enough, only bug after a few days of use is a drag/drop crash problem with gedit, but your mileage may vary ofc [12:18] ok, will see if it's worthy [12:51] Sorry to everyone I was speaking with yesterday, i was disconnected [13:24] Hmm... the new version of Xubuntu doesn't boot on this machine. I may have to try something older. [13:30] Hi. After upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 my screen resolution is not properly configured. My max resolution should be 1900x1200 whereas now X is set at 1920X1200. Do I care? Can I change it? thanks [13:31] Only you can tell if you care, but you probably want it set to whatever the native mode is for your screen. [13:32] (if it's an LCD) [13:32] it is an LCD [13:32] what file to I edit? [13:32] I don't see a Xorg.conf [13:32] * ball has no idea [13:33] I don't have a lot of luck with X.org [13:33] ok [13:33] ...and sadly they took away xf86config / xorgconfig so now we're screwed if autodetect doesn't. [13:33] can I fry my screen by letting it at 1920 i.e. 20 pixels too high? [13:34] gNewPower, are you sure though... do you have a special monitor? [13:34] because it should always be 1920x1200 [13:35] ablomen, lemme double check that [13:36] ablomen, yes, I have a dell 2405fpw Max Resolution: 1920x1200 (WUXGA) [13:37] gNewPower, http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/2405fpw/en/about.htm#Specifioications [13:37] oh sorry [13:37] misread [13:37] so it should be good [13:37] Ha! [13:37] ablomen, you are right [13:37] my doc was wrong [13:37] ok [13:38] thanks for reassuring me ;-) [13:38] hehe np [13:38] my user's manual did have it wrong though. [13:38] anyway [13:38] you are right and I guess I am all fine [13:39] one more thing: folks on this channel really rock! you guys helped me out already many times. so - THANK YOU!! [13:47] Let's try 10.10... [13:50] you mean 11.10 [13:50] I mean 10.10. 11.10 doesn't work for me. [13:50] you are going to downgrade? [13:50] * ball nods [13:51] That's my plan. [13:51] wow [13:51] Xubuntu 11.10 is that bad for you? [13:51] Only if I can get 10.10 to boot. [13:52] gNewPower: It's probably wonderful if you can get it to boot. [13:52] * ball shrugs [13:55] 11.10 won't be supported very long [13:55] !11.10 [13:55] Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) is the current release of Ubuntu | Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1110 [13:55] meh [13:55] 10.2011 + 18 months [13:56] ball, I am really sorry to hear that. [13:57] gNewPower: These things happen. It doesn't dent my opinion of Xubuntu significantly. [13:57] It's probably my favourite Linux distribution. [13:57] my last two upgrades 10.10->11.04 and then 11.04->11.10 were a massive pain in the ass each time. I hate Unity so much I moved to Xubuntu (which I really like, btw) but I have to say that it is MORE buggy then Debian-testing. If this nonsense continues I will move my family to Mint... [13:58] yesterday, it took me 7 hours to fix all the problems of my last upgrade [14:00] I'm not familiar with Mint (though I've heard the name). What desktop does it use? [14:01] even debian had some issues not so long ago after an update. I ran Chrunchbang before 11.10 and reccon it is great. Squeeze however has older packages, installing stuff from testing/wheezy I had spome dependency issues even with apt-pinning. I changed back to ubuntu dues to all the support/guides & PPAs. I still think crunchbang is great though! [14:01] GNOME 3.2 [14:01] how would I hide the hidden files on my desktop? [14:01] ctrl-h? [14:02] Crunchbang rocks, but its not really Debian. I ran !# for a while, but Debian-testing comes with a system of support (community and applications) which is far superior [14:02] reon, dosen't work [14:02] stuff like apt-listbug which only Debian has [14:02] on the desktop, not with a file manger [14:02] serfus, you want to hide hidden files? [14:03] gNewPower, yes [14:03] serfus, I have desktop icons disabled, just assume ctrl-h migt work [14:03] reon, it dosen't :( [14:03] what hidden files do you see on your desktop? [14:03] many [14:03] your desktop should be pretty much empty [14:03] not sure name and description can help here [14:03] serfus, are you on Xubuntu? [14:03] yes [14:04] ok open a terminal [14:04] make [14:04] cd Desktop [14:04] right [14:04] then type ls [14:04] okay, i got a list [14:04] and show us some of these files (not all, just a few) here [14:04] (i know this command) [14:05] Astral Projection - People Can Fly .mp3 [14:05] ok [14:05] how would this help? [14:05] these files have no business being here [14:05] you need to move them elewhere [14:05] i want them there [14:05] you probably downloaded on the desktop [14:05] i use the desktop [14:05] it's deliberately [14:05] i just don't want to see the hidden files [14:06] others should stay [14:06] ok, but that is not a good practice. music belongs in a music file. if you want to hide them, just add a period at the beginning of their names like '.Astral Projection - People Can Fly .mp3' [14:06] but you are going to get desktop clutter very fast [14:06] serfus: hidden as in starting with " . "? [14:07] Sysi, no, but they have a ~, and look different [14:07] with Xubuntu you should at most have your home directory, filesystem, trash and removable devices on your desktop [14:08] serfus: that doesn't mean hidden file [14:08] could you take screenshot? [14:08] with the file manger i can see them only after ctrl-h [14:08] serfus,good idea [14:08] hum, weird [14:08] make a screenshot [14:10] brb [14:10] * serfus has to leave, will be back with a screenshot later [14:15] Hmm... 10.10 doesn't boot either. I just get "Error setting up gfxboot" [14:15] Perhaps I should try an alternate install disk === XubuntuKris is now known as ArmyKris [14:33] Has anyone had an issue with Thunar taking forever to load the home directory ~ [14:35] This Bug #775117 ? [14:35] Launchpad bug 775117 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar hangs on first launch of each session" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775117 [14:37] ArmyKris, yes [14:37] ArmyKris, this is a known thunar bug, I had the same issue in debian testing. [14:37] its only for the first time though [14:37] Any kind of "fix"? [14:37] annoying, but not catastrophic [14:38] Yeah, I can still navigate cause I know the directories that I need to get to.lol [14:38] ArmyKris, I read that there is a patch for it but I have not seen it filtered down yet and that fas a good few months ago. [14:38] well I just got 54 updates through update manager a few minutes ago...maybe it was in there? [14:39] reboot and let us know, i have not done any updates yet :) [14:39] I'm a little to busy to reboot..lol [14:39] will do in a few minutes though. [16:27] hey [16:28] im installing xubuntu [16:28] but the installation screen never end [16:37] wow, since switching to oneiric i seem to be getting alerts for everything every time i turn around === zenrox_ is now known as zenrox [17:16] how do i stop the window manager maximizing windows when i open applications? [17:18] tobych: it remembers the last state [17:18] tobych: so just unmaximize them [17:19] okay, thanks. but what about telling it never to maximize apps i've not run before? [17:19] it shouldn't do that :/ [17:20] TheSheep, ah. maybe i'l try to find the settings. like, proper settings. very few seem available in the UI [17:21] tobych: I don't think there are any that would cause this, but I don't know for sure [17:21] i see [17:21] tobych: one thing that comes to mind is that if the application requests a window size much larger than the screen size -- then maybe it would get maximized [17:22] tobych: not sure though [17:22] ah, that might be it. i'm on a netbook. [17:22] i'd like behaviour to be configurable, for sure. [17:23] if window is bigger than screen, xfce makes it maximized [17:29] should /etc/rc.local be executed in 11.10? [17:29] I put vbox-mount there but it didn't work [17:33] hi there [17:33] any xfce-compiz experts 'round here? :) [17:33] pop a question and see [17:33] :) [17:34] metaphil, I don't use compiz, never have as I don't see the need. [17:35] reon: sure, it's a matter of personal taste :) i enjoy some usability tweaks for power user and total control over all the effects [17:35] just grabbed xubuntu 11.10 and a fresh compiz install. I disabled xfwm4's compositing but I'd like to use the default sleek xfce window decorations [17:36] when i tell ccsm to use "xfwm4 --replace" as window decorator, it uses the decorations, but none of the effects work. fusion-icon tells me that compiz is running as window manager [17:36] any ideas? [17:36] greybird should contain metacity theme gtk-window-decorator can use [17:37] should have emerald theme too, if default package doesn't contain them, download from shimmerproject website [17:38] ok, so you're recommending emerald? [17:39] not really, but it's one possibility if it's not broken anymore [17:39] apt-get tells me that there's no install candidate for emerald and i failed to compile it manually [17:39] find out how to set gtk-window-decorator theme [17:40] you could try #compiz or something for that [17:40] right [17:40] but thanks so far! [17:50] kubuntu 11.10, xfce terminal opens ~/Documents when I launch it from menu or Ctrl Shift N, can I set in config it to open ~? [17:50] whopsi, slightly missed but please tell if you know :P [18:20] anyone no how to get jupiter to work in xubuntu 11.10 i installed it but it keeps complaining about being whitelisted and need to log back on but it just keeps repeating the same message [18:30] SilverMonkey, the power manager? [18:32] yes [18:33] running on eee pc but when i install it just says that its whitelisted and to log back on and when i do it just says that again but never displays the applet [19:00] hey, i got a problem with the sound - it works perfect without headphones [19:00] but if i insert headphones, the sound is mutes [19:00] and un-unmutable [19:00] *not unmutable [19:00] but if i boot with the headphones inserted, the sound works normal [19:01] (my laptop got a sensor to detect, if headphones are inserted) [19:09] fist, have you looked at pavucontrol?? [19:19] Hello! [19:20] hello [19:20] I was upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 but a warning appears: (translated from spanish) "It looks like your grpahic hardware doesn't have full support on Ubuntu 11.04..." [19:21] BTW, I have some updates pending... [19:21] ...some of them about graphics (XOrg, X, etc) [19:21] niuniomartinez, have you ran jockey? [19:21] Er... [19:21] Not [19:22] I haven't. [19:22] SHould I? [19:22] I have "jockey-text" and "jockey-gtk"... [19:24] niuniomartinez, if you can get to GUI, use -gtk, otherwise -text [19:24] I've run jockey-text and nothing happens. It says "Searching drivers..." and exits. [19:28] Jockey-gtk also searchs but it doesn't find nothing. :( [19:32] knome, can you help me? I you can't I'll upgrade the 16 packages pending. [19:33] niuniomartinez, apt-cache check ? [19:34] root@guillermo-desktop:~# apt-cache check [19:34] E: Operación inválida: check [19:34] Invalid operation [19:34] niuniomartinez, erm, sorry, "sudo apt-get check" [19:35] Wait a moment, please. :) [19:35] Ok. [19:35] "Done". :) [19:35] okay... "sudo apt-cache upgrade" ? [19:36] You mean "apt-get", don't you? [19:36] ;) [19:37] In progress (16 packages) [19:37] heh, yeah... [19:38] Almost done. [19:39] Done [19:39] Should I try again now to upgrade to 11.04? [19:40] yeah [19:41] Same message (translated from Spanish): "It seems like your Intel graphic hardware doesn't have full suppor on Ubuntu 11.04. May be it will fail after upgrading" [19:46] Ok: I'll try anyway. May be it explode or may be it works. [19:46] I'll see you on the other side. [19:46] :-/ [20:09] i wonder if i am the only one who really hates the gtk3 apps creeping in everywhere? [20:10] soon it will be "damn why all these apps are still ancient gtk2" [20:11] i don't know what the overhead for xfce to move to gtk3 would be [20:11] it seems a logical progression [20:12] it will happen, but not planned yet for next release [20:14] I did tested Gnome3 and I don't like it. [20:14] niuniomartinez, unity/gnome3 are for non-computer users [20:14] It would be great for "pads" but not for my good old IBM [20:15] incorrect: you're right. [20:15] (LOL) [20:15] 3 minutes to start installing Xubuntu 11.10 [20:15] well ubuntu says linux for humans [20:15] clearly developers / sysadmins are not humans, we have known this for a long time [20:16] Hey guys, where can I download the alternate cd so I can install onto existing LVM partitions? [20:16] cdimage.ubuntu.com for example [20:16] can i set a gtk3 theme manually? [20:17] copy/symlink gtk3-folder from other theme to your theme's folder [20:17] Cheers Sysi [20:18] Sysi, no ui to do it? [20:18] urg, i should have stuck with 11.04 [20:19] INSTALLING [20:19] incorrect: xfce sets gtk3 theme to be the same as gtk2 [20:19] Sysi, i guess there is no matching gtk3 mist theme [20:19] possible [20:20] yes that is it [20:20] greybird [20:20] now they look the same [20:20] Ups... [20:20] I think I did something wrong... [20:20] It asked and I push a button witout reading the message. [20:20] :$ [20:21] hmm, now what package has more gtk3 themes [20:22] 1hour [20:22] No, 52 minutes... [20:22] greybird, adwaita and ambiance are in repositories, there are some themes in gnome-look but not too much [20:22] No, 1 hour 3 minutes? [20:25] Ok: my Xubuntu is updating (about 1 hour) and it's late here in Spain. Time to dinner :) [20:25] Thanks for your help, knome. :) [20:25] Good night. [20:25] niuniomartinez, :) [20:25] night [20:25] Bye cha everybody! ;) [20:26] hmm the only theme i have is greybird that sets for any gtk3 app [20:26] incorrect, mm-hmm. [20:27] knome, any idea if i can apt-get some more themes? [20:27] i don't know about any other themes that support gtk3 as well as greybird [20:28] maybe you can search gnome-look.org [20:28] (gnome uses gtk themes too..) [20:28] i am lazy, i just want to apt-get [20:28] gnome? what is that [20:28] then i think you're out of luck, unless you get the ubuntu desktop themes [20:28] gnome is a DE as xfce is [20:29] incorrect: try adwaita or ambiance [20:31] ok i won't fight it, i will just stick with greybird [21:10] hello, I'm looking to make a .deb file executable so that I can install it [21:10] how can I go about doing that? [21:10] I'm running 11.10, I'm just trying to install the opera browser [21:14] fallon create a .deb from source? [21:15] Not sure it needs to be executable. The usual way is sudo dpkg -i debfilename.deb [21:16] oh, that worked [21:16] well, now I feel dumb.. [21:16] thanks guys [21:17] you should use opera repositories [21:26] Hey Sysi, do you know if it's possible to put a time out on the alternative CD language selection? my wireless keyboard doesn't seem to work on that screen [21:27] Hello again. [21:27] System upgraded, seems to work. [21:28] That's all. [21:28] Bye [21:30] antnash: I don't know === knome changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | Xubuntu 11.10 is out! Please get it from http://xubuntu.org/get | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | No one around? Use the mailing list at http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic [21:48] My xubuntu (11.04 running on powerpc) is quite slow sometimes. The CPU monitors indicate an usage between 80 and 100 %. Is it normal? The memory usage is around 10%. [21:55] hi [21:56] can me help, i have a problem [21:56] !ask | Reddexx [21:56] Reddexx: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [21:57] i have a error in the installation " Invalid Argument" [21:57] where in the installation [21:57] i have windows 7, will Xubuntu for SubSystem [21:57] you mean with Wubi? [21:58] sry my english is not good [21:58] yes [21:58] right, i don't know much about that... [21:58] what is your main language then? [21:58] German [21:58] !de [21:58] In den meisten Ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuche bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Einfach "/join #ubuntu-de" eingeben. Danke für Dein Verständnis! [21:59] you can try the #ubuntu-de channel [21:59] thanks [21:59] they should be able to help with xubuntu too, and i think that is a wubi-specific error anyway [22:00] Alright guys. I hav a problem with the alternate live disk. It doesn't recognise my wireless keyboard. Is there any way I can get it to boot straight in to a live session? [22:00] antnash, alternate installation does not have a live session [22:01] Right. How can I install on to existing LVM partitions? [22:02] antnash, do you have a spare, non-wireless keyboard? [22:02] nope [22:03] where do I go from here? [22:04] not sure really. i don't know if any disc will recognise the cd... [22:04] IS there anywhere I can go without waiting until tomorrow and then getting a PS/2 kb? [22:04] at least i am out of ideas [22:04] This sucks ass [22:04] has the keyboard worked with previous xubuntu versions? [22:05] it works fine once I'm actually into a session [22:05] just not in the text parts [22:05] hmm. [22:05] Tried 2 diff wireless kbs [22:06] should it work with wireless keyboards? [22:06] i see no reason why it shouldn't. is it bluetooth or with usb-dongle? [22:07] usb [22:08] mm-hmm. [22:08] maybe ask #ubuntu if they know about that stuff - this doesn't sound like a xubuntu-specific issue [22:08] looks like I'll just have to get a PS/2 kb tomorrow [22:09] yeah. too bad it didn't work for you [22:09] Fed up of Fedora. It's so much more hassle to get stuff to work properly [22:10] i hope you'll have better experiences with xubuntu, even if it's not starting so well :) [22:15] yeah, I know I will [22:19] This is all for my server. Just wanna get it all set up properly [22:19] there's ubuntu server too [22:20] I suppose I could just delete everything but my storage LVM partition and install the rest on standard logical partitions [22:20] It's only a home fileserver [22:21] And I like the xfce desktop [22:21] And I just wanted everything as easy as poss [22:21] well that's long gone!! [22:21] sometimes that happens [22:21] yup [22:22] wouldn't go for win server tho [22:22] hah, that's a completely different world [22:22] btw, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for offtopic (non-support) chat, feel free to join [22:23] Although it's been a nightmare trying to set up NFS properly between my windows laptop and linux server [22:23] Well I could use help with the NFS [22:23] sure [22:23] if i only can help... [22:23] Been getting access denied when trying to transfer to the nfs shares [22:24] (probably not though ;() [22:24] full access given, no firewall [22:24] haven't been running windows systems in years [22:24] !nfs [22:24] nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS. [22:24] have you read that? [22:24] Hello [22:24]