[00:00] <wxl> pcmanfm can find the share but i'm having a hell of a time mounting it
[00:00] <phillw> wxl: is it password protected?
[00:00] <wxl> nope
[00:01] <wxl> ntfs share i should say
[00:01] <phillw> wxl: I've got to be honest, I'm not familiar. The only samba stuff I know of is for windoze.
[00:02] <phillw> ntfs = windoze :)
[00:02] <wxl> riiight
[00:02] <phillw> wxl: been too long since I use windows :).... Is it an area you would like automounting?
[00:03] <wxl> naw
[00:04] <KM0201> wxl: should work fine.. i use samba quite a bit (even w/o windows machines) cuz its just so easy.... just  open pcman   smb://192.168.1.xx
[00:04] <wxl> KM0201: what about in cli?
[00:04] <phillw> pcmanfm 'should' be able to see it. As not too many of us have drives that need samba, I'm at a loss as to who to suggest can help. I know how to alter the fstab to automount.
[00:05] <phillw> thanks KM0201 :)
[00:05] <KM0201> um, i've never tried to mount one from cli, but it shouldn't be to difficult i dont think
[00:05] <phillw> use the same ops as for fstab table?
[00:05] <KM0201> so he's trying to automount a samba share?
[00:06] <wxl> no automount
[00:06] <KM0201> i thought he was just trying to mount it it.
[00:06] <wxl> weird
[00:06] <wxl> i don't have smbfs
[00:06] <KM0201> sudo apt-get install samba
[00:07] <KM0201> i dont think samba installs automatically
[00:07] <KM0201> did you have an smb.conf?
[00:07] <wxl> well i have no problem accessing in pcmanfm
[00:07] <phillw> if it is ntfs, you may want the easy version of ntfs-config?
[00:07] <phillw> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=96
[00:08] <KM0201> ok.. so you have no problem accessing i pcmanfm.. so.. you want to automount a samba share? (thought you said earlier you didn't wanted "no automount".. or am i confused)
[00:09] <wxl> nope you're on it KM0201
[00:09] <KM0201> wxl: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-8.html
[00:09] <wxl> problem was smbfs was missing
[00:09] <KM0201> ok.
[00:09] <wxl> now mount -t cifs blah blah all good
[00:11] <phillw> wxl: I'm guessing the library eats up RAM... therefore not a default. I'll check with the boss.
[00:13] <wxl> phillw: i'd be interested to know
[00:13] <wxl> i could see the argument made that few use cli and it's not necessary
[00:13] <wxl> and that the hardcore user will figure it out and install what they want
[00:22] <phillw> wxl: does network share now work?
[00:22] <wxl> no problem phillw
[00:23] <phillw> then, for network share to function, it needs smbfs - that is a bug :)
[00:33] <phillw> wxl: I've flagged it to our head of dev, but the mailing list archiving is 'down'. I've also forwarded it to the general mailing list, so if you are a member you will be able to track it.
[00:51] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: you should not need smbfs
[00:51] <bodhi_zazen> cifs
[00:53] <bodhi_zazen> is cifs part of the smbfs package ? or is there a samba-client package ?
[02:23] <pipo65> option does not work Lubuntu 11.10 If netbook runs on openbox and Lubuntu
[02:23] <pipo65> I have to do
[02:24] <silverlightning> hi
[02:24] <pipo65> hi silverlightning
[02:24] <pipo65> option does not work Lubuntu 11.10 If netbook runs on openbox and Lubuntu
[02:26] <pipo65> I should do?
[02:42] <silverarrow> anyone having trouble with mplayer ?
[02:45] <stlsaint> silverarrow: no sorry
[02:45] <silverarrow> hi
[02:46] <silverarrow> I keep having picture not following frame size, audio out of sync
[03:26] <smw> Can anyone help me figure out why the battery monitor always says I have 100% battery and always displays that my battery is "critical"?
[03:33] <silverlightning> is linux a bit messy with deleted documents?
[03:33] <silverlightning> I mean, do the get stuck?
[03:33] <stlsaint> smw: that is strange...sounds like possible bug
[03:33] <stlsaint> silverlightning: what do you mean? Not that i have ever seen
[03:34] <smw> stlsaint, got any ideas on debugging? the cmd acpi gives the correct into
[03:34] <silverlightning> I have files showing I deleted a few days ago
[03:34] <silverlightning> and when I try to delete them, something goes wrong
[03:34] <stlsaint> smw: not at this time - not on my lubuntu install
[03:35] <stlsaint> silverlightning: what are you using to delete? cli or gui?
[03:36] <silverlightning> just right click and delete?
[03:36] <silverlightning> in filemanager
[03:36] <silverlightning> are there any other way?
[03:37] <stlsaint> silverlightning: you said "something goes wrong"...what is that something?
[03:37] <silverlightning> is this an unheard of problem?
[03:40] <silverlightning> I installed lubuntu from cd 11.10
[03:40] <silverlightning> I messed something up and reinstalled it all over
[03:41] <silverlightning> thinking I deleted the whole thing
[03:41] <silverlightning> but it turns up a file or home from the last install
[03:41] <silverlightning> I used a different name and computer name on the install, that is why I am sure of the fact
[03:42] <silverlightning> I cannot delete them
[03:43] <stlsaint> yea something might have went wrong when you installed a os over itself twice
[03:44] <silverlightning> however I did choose delete in the install guide
[03:45] <stlsaint> silverlightning: what file are you tring to delete?
[03:45] <silverlightning> http://imagebin.org/179988
[03:46] <silverlightning> I'm not being all that clear, sorry. The files I cannot delete is on a usb connected sata hd
[03:46] <silverlightning> that is what I get
[03:46] <silverlightning> the files are just left over stuff from torrents downloads, tv film
[03:47] <silverlightning> I moved my entire documents and folders to the other hard drive when I installed 11.10
[03:48] <silverlightning> I'm trying to tidy things up a bit, getting rid of useless stuf
[03:48] <bodhizazen> silverlightning, that looks like a permissions problem
[03:48] <bodhizazen> what exactly are you trying to delete ?
[03:49] <silverlightning> data on a usb connected hard drive
[03:49] <bodhizazen> some old files on a flash drive it looks like
[03:49] <bodhizazen> sudo -i
[03:49] <bodhizazen> cd /media/your_mount_point
[03:49] <silverlightning> unwanted folders on a USB connected hard drive
[03:49] <bodhizazen> rm -rf bad_file
[03:50] <bodhizazen> rm -rf bad_directory
[03:50] <bodhizazen> rm -rf /media/your_mount_point/* will get it all
[03:50] <silverlightning> it's a SATA HD 320GB I put in a  caddie, for external storage
[03:50] <bodhizazen> so ?
[03:51] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: ppfftttt ah i was getting there :P
[03:51]  * stlsaint is also trying to figure out why he cant install postresql to BT5 on his xoom ;)
[03:51] <bodhizazen> silverlightning, do you understand linux permissions ?
[03:52] <silverlightning> not really, but I do know I need to be in root for some stuff
[03:52] <bodhizazen> www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml
[03:52] <silverlightning> thanks
[03:52] <bodhizazen> what file system is this ?
[03:52] <bodhizazen> FAT ? NTFS ? ext4 ?
[03:53] <bodhizazen> who owns the files ?
[03:53] <bodhizazen> ls -l /media
[03:53] <bodhizazen> sudo chown
[03:53] <bodhizazen> sudo chmod
[03:53] <silverlightning> hmm, probably ext4, some of the drive is ntfs
[03:53] <bodhizazen> Well, it does vary with file system
[03:54] <bodhizazen> nfts and vfat are set when you mount the partition
[03:54] <bodhizazen> ext4 you manage with chown and chmod
[03:54] <silverlightning> I do, I mean, I just copied documents folder to the external hd
[03:54] <silverlightning> tricky
[03:55] <bodhizazen> copied the documents as root ?
[03:55] <bodhizazen> as your user ?
[03:55] <silverlightning> hmm
[03:55] <bodhizazen> to vfat ? ntfs ? ext4 ?
[03:56] <bodhizazen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?&t=283131
[03:56] <silverlightning> I copied from filemanager, just dragged and dropped to the usb storage
[03:56] <silverlightning> all ext4
[03:56] <bodhizazen> you need to either give us more information (file system, ownership, etc) or understand permissions yourself
[03:56] <silverlightning> yes, all is on the ext4 part
[03:57] <bodhizazen> so, if you own the files, you should be able to remove them
[03:57] <bodhizazen> ls -l
[03:57] <silverlightning> I am only user of this computer, I did all of the copying by dragging and dropping from filemanager windows
[03:57] <bodhizazen> now that sounds like a windows user
[03:57] <bodhizazen> this is linux, you are not the only user
[03:58] <bodhizazen> cat /etc/passwd
[03:58] <bodhizazen> cat /etc/groups
[03:58] <silverlightning> yes, there are the odd lepracon when I turn my back
[03:58] <bodhizazen> you are one of many users and each file has an owner, and a group
[03:59] <bodhizazen> permissions are set for owner, group, and other as per the link I gave you
[03:59] <bodhizazen> well, your thinking you are somehow the only user is as magical thinking as the unicorn
[03:59] <bodhizazen> it is a fallacy
[03:59] <silverlightning> I'm not sure I understand
[03:59] <bodhizazen> this is linux, there are several users on your system
[04:00] <silverlightning> I am starting to get that
[04:00] <silverlightning> hmm
[04:00] <bodhizazen> wc -l /etc/passwd
[04:01] <bodhizazen> I have 45 users =)
[04:01] <silverlightning> hmm
[04:01] <bodhizazen> again every file has an owner and a group
[04:01] <bodhizazen> you can view them with ls -l
[04:01] <bodhizazen> or from your file manager -> permissions tab
[04:01] <silverlightning> I got 26 it seems
[04:02] <bodhizazen> linux permissions are one of the foundations of security
[04:02] <bodhizazen> you can not simply delete or alter files you do not have permission to alter
[04:03] <bodhizazen> http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml
[04:03] <silverlightning> http://imagebin.org/179989
[04:03] <bodhizazen> that is your home directory
[04:03] <bodhizazen> you own that
[04:03] <bodhizazen> you can delete anything you want
[04:03] <bodhizazen> cd /media
[04:03] <bodhizazen> ls -l
[04:04] <silverlightning> so, trouble is I coped to the external hard drive, and now it is not mine anymore?
[04:04] <bodhizazen> silverlightning, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[04:04] <bodhizazen> ls -l | pastebinit
[04:04] <bodhizazen> and post the url here
[04:05] <bodhizazen> i don't know, you are not telling me sufficient details
[04:06] <silverlightning> what am I installing now?
[04:06] <silverlightning> what haven't I told you?
[04:06] <bodhizazen> ownersip and permissions of the files you want to delete
[04:07] <bodhizazen> you are installing a tool to automate pastebin so you do not have to post pictures which is inefficient
[04:07] <silverlightning> http://paste.ubuntu.com/713841/
[04:08] <silverlightning> did't I just post that in picture bin?
[04:08] <silverlightning> I see
[04:08] <bodhizazen> I enter this in a terminal
[04:08] <bodhizazen> 'ls -l /mnt | fpaste'
[04:08] <bodhizazen> result
[04:08] <bodhizazen> http://fpaste.org/t9db/
[04:08] <silverlightning> very clever
[04:08] <silverlightning> hope I remember it
[04:08] <bodhizazen> you are on ubuntu, so you need pastebinit
[04:09] <bodhizazen> ls -l | pastebinit
[04:09] <bodhizazen> ls -l /media | pastebinit
[04:10] <bodhizazen> I trust from my paste you can tell who owns what with what permissions >:)
[04:11] <silverlightning> would it be root and bodi?
[04:11] <bodhizazen> =)
[04:12] <silverlightning> oh I see
[04:12] <bodhizazen> in this case the user and the group are the same
[04:12] <bodhizazen> could be root bodhi
[04:12] <silverlightning> I get computer name
[04:12] <bodhizazen> sudo chgrp bodhi /mnt/Dragon would do that
[04:12] <silverlightning> which is same as root?
[04:13] <bodhizazen> what do you mean you get a computer name ?
[04:13] <bodhizazen> And if you want someone to look at your output, use pastebin
[04:13] <bodhizazen> some command | pastebinit
[04:14] <silverlightning> I need to get a list of commands
[04:15] <bodhizazen> http://linuxcommand.org/
[04:15] <bodhizazen> naw, you just need to use the terminal more
[04:15] <silverlightning> bookmarked
[04:16] <silverlightning> you are right, I sort of go for other options if there are any
[04:16] <silverlightning> like package manager and other managers
[04:16] <bodhizazen> Nothing wrong with a graphical interface
[04:17] <bodhizazen> but the command line is easier to problem solve
[04:17] <bodhizazen> and it is much easier for us to tell you a command
[04:17] <silverlightning> yes, might be
[04:17] <silverlightning> I just don't get what I'm doing
[04:17] <bodhizazen> ls -l | pastebinit
[04:17] <bodhizazen> then all the various mouse clicks
[04:18] <bodhizazen> you will get it fast enough
[04:18] <bodhizazen> there are also help pages
[04:19] <bodhizazen> man pastebinit
[04:19] <silverlightning> http://paste.ubuntu.com/713843/
[04:19] <bodhizazen> there you go, see, easier and faster then a screenshot
[04:19] <bodhizazen> ls -l /media | pastebinit
[04:20] <bodhizazen> you can also
[04:20] <silverlightning> yes, ver fast
[04:20] <bodhizazen> mv *.png *.JPG Pictures
[04:21] <bodhizazen> sort of keeps /home organized that way
[04:21] <silverlightning> thanks for your help
[04:22] <bodhizazen> you can complete file names with the tab key
[04:22] <bodhizazen> ls Pic<tab>
[04:22] <bodhizazen> cd /me<tab>
[04:26] <silverlightning> I  need to use it a couple of times to get into it
[04:26] <silverlightning> ; )
[04:26] <silverlightning> very clever stuff
[04:26] <silverlightning> I have to go
[04:26] <silverlightning> see you later
[05:03]  * wxl yawns
[05:03] <wxl> thanks phillw
[05:19] <wxl> hey so i seem to have kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidiafb.ko
[05:20] <wxl> and kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko
[05:20] <wxl> which driver am i actually using?
[05:21] <JohnDoe_71Rus> nouveau i think
[05:22] <wxl> then wtf on the nvidia?
[05:22] <JohnDoe_71Rus> fb- frame buffer. software and slowly
[05:22] <wxl> i would like to see if i have better luck without the non-free drivers
[05:22] <wxl> well nouveau can do framebuffer do
[05:22] <wxl> too
[05:22] <wxl> admittedly i don't think i have much ned for that
[05:22] <JohnDoe_71Rus> driver from nvidia need compile
[05:25] <wxl> lame additional drivers says i'm not using any proprietary drivers
[05:25] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:26] <wxl> exactly
[05:26] <wxl> i can't suspend/hibernate which makes me wonder
[05:27] <wxl> admittedly there's no nvidia-settings
[05:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> wxl: only russian manual http://help.ubuntu.ru/wiki/%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0_nvidia
[05:37] <bioterror> :D
[05:38] <wxl> um
[05:38]  * wxl checks himself for russianness
[05:38] <wxl> nope, none there :D
[05:38] <bioterror> use the chromium's translate option with right click :D
[05:38] <wxl> bah
[05:38] <wxl> that's one suck thing about ppc lubuntu
[05:38] <wxl> no chromium
[05:38] <JohnDoe_71Rus> can't find the same english
[05:39] <bioterror> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.ru%2Fwiki%2F%25D1%2583%25D1%2581%25D1%2582%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B0_%25D0%25B4%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B9%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B5%25D1%2580%25D0%25B0_nvidia
[05:39] <bioterror> works like a dream
[05:40] <JohnDoe_71Rus> wxl: what kernel ?
[05:41] <JohnDoe_71Rus> if more 3.0 read this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/nvidia-legacy-drivers-with-slackware-13-1-and-kernel-3-0-a-894728/
[05:41] <wxl> $ uname -r
[05:41] <wxl> 3.0.0-11-powerpc
[05:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> use 3.0.4-generic. unpack *.run and use patcn
[05:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *patch
[09:19] <LSDragon25> 'ello guvna
[09:22] <LSDragon25> I can has the geek assistance
[09:22] <LSDragon25> ?
[09:22] <bioterror> maybe greek also
[09:22] <LSDragon25> lol nice
[09:23] <LSDragon25> so..
[09:24] <LSDragon25> lubuntu volume control settings non-functional
[09:24] <LSDragon25> any thoughts
[09:25] <bioterror> you mean keyboard
[09:25] <bioterror> or a slider in your system tray
[09:25] <LSDragon25> "volume control" settings upon right click of volume icon
[09:25] <LSDragon25> err left click
[09:25] <bioterror> ahh
[09:25] <LSDragon25> no right
[09:26] <bioterror> we mostly do that from terminal
[09:26] <bioterror> :D
[09:26] <bioterror> open terminal
[09:26] <bioterror> and run command: alsamixer
[09:26] <LSDragon25> just as I suspected
[09:27] <LSDragon25> oh yes...I DL'd a program that gives me this readout in gui
[09:27] <LSDragon25> master, master M, and everything in between doesn't work
[09:27] <LSDragon25> except for..
[09:27] <LSDragon25> headphones
[09:27] <LSDragon25> and PCM
[09:28] <LSDragon25> those 2 and can adjust volume with
[09:28] <LSDragon25> further...I seem to have no functional system sounds
[09:29] <LSDragon25> login...etc...yadda
[09:29] <bioterror> remove M from master ;)
[09:29] <bioterror> it should be OO
[09:29] <bioterror> and not MM
[09:29] <bioterror> with M -key you can mute and unmute
[09:30] <LSDragon25> check
[09:30] <LSDragon25> uno momento por favor
[09:31] <LSDragon25> non-functional
[09:32] <bioterror> PCM MASTER and hmm
[09:32] <bioterror> what else are now OO?
[09:32] <LSDragon25> headphone, PCM
[09:33] <bioterror> and they are also set to the MAXIMUM VOLUME? ;-)
[09:33] <LSDragon25> headphone is
[09:33] <LSDragon25> PCM I roll to acceptable level
[09:33] <bioterror> put PCM and master on full
[09:33] <bioterror> we can lower them later :)
[09:34] <LSDragon25> check
[09:37] <bioterror> still no sound, for example from youtube?
[09:38] <LSDragon25> I have audacious running...the only functional volume control is headphone
[09:38] <LSDragon25> if I mute that there's nada
[09:38] <bioterror> you have only one sound card?
[09:38] <LSDragon25> yip
[09:38] <bioterror> and you have connected speaker to right plug
[09:39] <bioterror> it's usually the light green or something ;)
[09:39] <LSDragon25> lol uh huh
[09:43] <LSDragon25> I've run various versions of ubuntu on this machine never had an issue like this...usually it's some issue with the monitor or disc drive lol
[09:43] <bioterror> yeah, ubuntu uses pulseadio
[09:43] <bioterror> lubuntu uses just plain alsa
[09:44] <LSDragon25> ah ha
[09:44] <LSDragon25> wondered about that
[09:45] <LSDragon25> is there a way to integrate pulseaudio
[09:46] <bioterror> hmmm
[09:46] <bioterror> I'm a little busy atm. at work
[09:46] <LSDragon25> actually it's not a real big deal...just miss my volume knob
[09:46] <LSDragon25> I understand
[09:47] <bioterror> but if you can only control volume from headphones
[09:47] <bioterror> then something is wrong
[09:47] <LSDragon25> no doubt
[09:47] <LSDragon25> makes no sense to me
[09:47] <bioterror> and I dont know if you're using a laptop with integrated speakers or desktop computer with external spearks
[09:47] <bioterror> or what
[09:47] <LSDragon25> desktop
[09:47] <LSDragon25> dimension 2400
[09:47] <LSDragon25> 2003 model
[09:47] <LSDragon25> lol
[09:47] <bioterror> and you're 100% sure you have inserted speaks into a correct "Socket"?
[09:48] <LSDragon25> yeah the speakers are set up right
[09:48] <LSDragon25> it jams in fact
[09:49] <LSDragon25> dunno how the hell headphones became master
[09:49] <bioterror> hard to tell ;)
[09:50] <bioterror> but you just checked the backside of your computer? :)
[09:50] <bioterror> I'm asking this becouse I just cant understand how headphones can act as master
[09:50] <LSDragon25> oi....no...but I will....I'd crack up if that's the issue
[09:50] <bioterror> and this is first time I hear something like that
[09:54] <LSDragon25> everything is kosher
[09:54] <bioterror> killed by slicing throat open and letting it to bleed till death? :)
[09:55] <LSDragon25> basically
[09:56] <LSDragon25> wonder if I'll spontaneously combust if I plug in the headphones
[10:04] <LSDragon25> appreciate you sparing your time...I'm o u t~
[10:04] <LSDragon25> tc
[12:42] <Bulldozer> hi...the best terminal for lubuntu?
[13:39] <phillw> Bulldozer: I use the default (LXTerminal).
[18:27] <SAKKED> why doesnt my lubuntu softwaare center work? :D
[18:28] <SAKKED> some kind of error message comes
[18:28] <SAKKED> when i try to start it
[18:28] <SAKKED> i have finnish version so its hard to tell what is it in english
[18:29] <SAKKED> wait what
[18:29] <SAKKED> ok now it works... looks like reboot worked
[18:29] <SAKKED> still it floods some gtk-warning
[18:30] <SAKKED> theme parsing error: gtk-bars.css:208:16:
[18:31] <SAKKED> Themeing engine 'adwaita' not found
[18:31] <SAKKED> :D
[18:31] <SAKKED> any1 can helP?
[18:41] <bioterror> adwaita is gtk3
[18:44] <SAKKED> so i donnt have GTK3?
[18:45] <SAKKED> how can i get TK#?
[18:45] <SAKKED> gtk3
[18:45] <SAKKED> :D
[18:47] <bioterror> I dunno, I'm a Gnome3 user nowdays ;)
[18:49] <SAKKED> cant stand gnome :D
[18:50] <SAKKED> because that unity shell :D
[18:50] <SAKKED> i dont know what kind of macfag made that unityshell :D
[18:50] <bioterror> gnome shell, herp derp
[18:50] <KM0201> lol
[18:50] <wxl> ew gnome?
[18:51] <wxl> wtf bioterror you give dude crap about old os x and then you go and use gnome
[18:51] <KM0201> i liked gnome 2.x
[18:51] <wxl> barf
[18:51] <wxl> might as well use windows while you're at it
[18:51] <KM0201> wsa a good mix of function, and kinda had a sexy simplicity
[18:51] <bioterror> wxl, I'm using windows thru citrix ;)
[18:51] <wxl> "simplicity" is not a word i use with gnome
[18:51]  * wxl shakes his head in shame
[18:51] <KM0201> lol
[18:52] <bioterror> my system is ten times more up-to-date than his OS X from year 2003
[18:52] <wxl> yep, with all the latest malware :D
[18:53] <bioterror> where's the malmware?
[18:53] <wxl> doesn't it come pre-installed with windows? ;)
[18:54] <bioterror> I dunno, I just use citrix
[20:22] <morri> hi guys anybody there?
[20:22] <wxl> yep
[20:22] <morri> cool
[20:23] <wxl> yep
[20:23] <morri> quick question: in the 11.04 version there was a way that I could make a mouse click on the desktop be both a short cut to the desktop menu(change background) and to the normal stuff like browser and all the lot you get , how do I get this in this version?
[20:24] <wxl> you mean right click?
[20:24] <morri> and second , where do I change the default browser(as choosing browser on a desktop right click would choose epiphany always
[20:24] <morri> yes
[20:26] <sonartica> Hello people
[20:26] <sonartica> How are ya?
[20:26] <sonartica> How can i add programs to the startup list?
[20:26] <morri> hi sonarctica
[20:26] <sonartica> There's no button or text file to modify
[20:26] <wxl> morri: it's an openbox setting
[20:26] <wxl> hold on
[20:33] <wxl> weird it's not behaving for me
[20:34] <sonartica> wxl: Told ya :)
[20:34] <wxl> bizarre
[20:34] <wxl> sonartica: do you mean the little thing in the bottom left? that's easy
[20:35] <wxl> morri: it should be a matter of cp /etc/xdg/openbox/menu.xml to ~/.config/openbox
[20:35] <wxl> but don't work for me
[20:36] <wxl> at least not followed by openbox --reconfigure
[20:36] <morri> strange
[20:36] <sonartica> wxl: No, i want to add an application to the startup applications list
[20:36] <sonartica> Or i just have to add it to the .xinitrc?
[20:36] <wxl> sonartica: oh you want something to autostart
[20:36] <sonartica> I come from Arch Linux
[20:37] <wxl> morri: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox#Configuration
[20:37] <morri> thanks
[20:38] <wxl> sonartica: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cuQvQBIAo
[20:38] <sonartica> wxl: Thanks ;)
[20:38] <sonartica> wxl: You're such a cuttie :3
[20:38] <wxl> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:39] <morri> lol
[20:39] <morri> a cuttie a cut-tie :p
[20:39] <wxl> there was this steakhouse my dad always used to take me to
[20:39] <wxl> it was required you wear a tie there
[20:39] <morri> and you always cut it :P
[20:39] <sonartica> That was so bad jokes XD
[20:39] <wxl> and like if you didn't eat all your food or something they'd cut it and hang it from the ceiling
[20:39] <sonartica> I just can't get used to this distro
[20:40] <sonartica> It's just GUI and not CLI
[20:40] <wxl> (this is not a joke; true story)
[20:40] <morri> you can get command as well if you open the terminal..
[20:40] <sonartica> XD
[20:40] <sonartica> You're a cuttie as well
[20:40] <morri> and if you got to the other interfaces youll find a command line one..
[20:41] <wxl> being fairly comfortable with cli i rather like lubuntu
[20:41] <morri> like tty3
[20:41] <sonartica> I used to use awesome3 as a WM
[20:41] <wxl> i LIKE the fact everything isn't all clicky
[20:41] <wxl> gnome is shit
[20:42] <morri> gnome was way too slow for my old computer
[20:42] <morri> i used openbox first on linux mint but I wanted to try lxde , so I had this mag with a lubuntu cd
[20:43] <morri> actually after one "season" of mint it was too green for me in the end xD
[20:43] <morri> put me off green for a while
[20:43] <wxl> sonartica: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_in_to_Desktop
[20:43] <wxl> i'm running on a ppc
[20:44] <wxl> i'm half tempted to try mintppc and/or debian ppc
[20:44] <wxl> (i kind of liked arch, too)
[20:44] <morri> by the way what happened to the old lubuntu site? funnily it is still linked to from the lubuntu ubuntu site but it just redirects to the same site again which is a bit not clever?
[20:44] <wxl> but there's something really endearing about lubuntu
[20:44] <wxl> morri: yeah kind of an (un)happy accident sort of
[20:45] <wxl> basically when ocelot came out they were worried it would devour the bandwidth so they just pointed at canonical
[20:45] <wxl> really not much is lost
[20:45] <wxl> the screencasts are still on youtube
[20:45] <morri> yea although I liked the blue lol
[20:45] <sonartica> wxl: Thanks cuttie pie :)
[20:46] <wxl> anything for you sweetie
[20:46] <wxl> what's weird: i generally loathe blue
[20:46] <morri> lol
[20:46] <wxl> (part of the reason why i like the ocelot theme.. it's more grey)
[20:46] <morri>  blue is my favourite colour
[20:46] <sonartica> Green is my favorite color
[20:46] <sonartica> I love reggae music
[20:46] <sonartica> :D
[20:47] <wxl> yeah i'm a greenie too
[20:47] <sonartica> wxl: Nice \o\
[20:47] <wxl> who did that song?
[20:47] <morri> yea although a tiny bit of blue wouldnt harmed I mean the programme interface is just the same colour as the window in the light silvery colour
[20:47] <morri> dreadlock holiday?
[20:47] <wxl> there was a reggae song with the lyric "i love reggae music" :D
[20:48] <morri> have a look on duckduckgo :p
[20:48] <wxl> frankly i don't think the whole choice of distro matters all that much in the end. really it comes down to two things: packaging and support, imho
[20:48] <SAKKED> what kind of DVD writing program do u recommend?
[20:48] <morri> well I enjoy it because my comoputer is old and he enjoys starting up in 1 minutres time :D
[20:48] <wxl> i figure canonical is the juggernaut on the support side.... but debian is darn close.
[20:49] <wxl> i'm probably going to put debian on the darn computer
[20:49] <wxl> one thing that's very attractive about it is they ACTUALLY support ppc
[20:50] <wxl> last night i was trying to compile a test build of network-manager and i had like icepacks all over the laptop just to keep it from shutting down due to temperature. i think lubuntu ain't totally tweaked for the architecture yet
[20:50] <sonartica> wxl: UB40 - Reggae Music
[20:50] <sonartica> That's the song
[20:50] <sonartica> I think :P
[20:50] <wxl> nooooo can't be ub40
[20:50] <wxl> no way
[20:50] <SAKKED> K3b , gnome baker or brasero????????????????
[20:50] <morri> its not dreadlock holiday?
[20:51] <wxl> maybe stel pulse
[20:51] <morri> 10cc
[20:51] <sonartica> wxl: Which one are you favorite bands? :P
[20:51] <sonartica> ones*
[20:51] <sonartica> Sorry, english is not my native language
[20:51] <sonartica> :P
[20:51] <wxl> oh i'm all over the place
[20:51] <wxl> but i'd say autechre is my favourite
[20:51] <wxl> a far cry from any reggae
[20:51] <sonartica> OMG <3
[20:51] <sonartica> Same here, one of my favorites
[20:52] <morri> reh I actually like Indie, the stuff that came about just about 2003 to 2005 (and their continuation..)
[20:53] <sonartica> morri: Indie like The Strokes?
[20:53] <morri> yes but also like franz ferdinand :D
[20:53] <wxl> hahah
[20:53] <wxl> i'm old school i guess
[20:53] <sonartica> Oh, kk
[20:53] <sonartica> :P
[20:53] <wxl> calling the strokes indie is like calling microsoft open source
[20:53] <morri> and secondly I grew up to queen and dire straits so I lvoe them too
[20:53] <sonartica> wxl: No way, really?
[20:53] <wxl> ALTHOUGH i do really like franz ferdinand :D
[20:54] <morri> well I wouldnt call them indie iether :p
[20:54] <wxl> if you want indie there's always neutral milk hotel <3
[20:54] <morri> I like arcade fire and Muse from when they were hardly known :D
[20:54] <sonartica> Well, i don't know that much about indie :P
[20:55] <sonartica> morri: You mean before Knights Of Cydonia?
[20:55] <morri> yes way before
[20:55] <sonartica> Oh kk
[20:55] <morri> from the break of this century
[20:55] <wxl> yeah arcade fire's early stuff is fab
[20:55] <wxl> but to be honest i think neon bible is my fave
[20:56] <morri> same with arcade fire, first time i heard them was when they were on a show called up from the underground at the break of this century as well
[20:56] <morri> I love neon bible :D
[20:56] <sonartica> Well, i have to go
[20:56] <sonartica> Seeya guys around
[20:56] <sonartica> Cuttie pies
[20:56] <wxl> ta sonartica
[20:56] <sonartica> :D
[20:56] <morri> see you sonartica
[20:56] <sonartica> What means "ta" ?
[20:56] <morri> thanks
[20:56] <wxl> "bye" :D
[20:56] <sonartica> Oh, ya, right, my manners
[20:56] <sonartica> Thanks :)
[20:57] <morri> and hat too
[20:57] <morri> haha
[20:57] <morri> i should go too now- it is 23:00h and I have got university tomorrow
[20:57] <wxl> morri: go find yourself some broken social scene if you ahven't already
[20:58] <morri> hehe
[20:58] <morri> see you later then ;)
[20:58] <wxl> http://arts-crafts.ca/artistspage.php?search=Broken%20Social%20Scene
[20:58] <wxl> have fun
[20:59] <morri> going to have a look at them thanks :)
[20:59] <wxl> np
[21:31] <wxl> you know i kind of wondered that too
[21:31] <wxl> oops
[21:31] <wxl> wrong chan