[02:04] <deithrian> Hello guys FUCK YOU for releasing 11.10 with broken DSL that is all thank you (:
[06:14] <bazhang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule DoverOs
[06:15] <DoverOs> i see
[11:26] <m4yer> ich hab probleme mit wine auf einem 64bit-system ... es sagt, dass es opengl nicht finden kann ...
[11:26] <m4yer> err:wgl:has_opengl Failed to load libGL: libGL.so.1: Kann die Shared-Object-Datei nicht öffnen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[11:26] <m4yer> err:wgl:has_opengl OpenGL support is disabled.
[11:27] <m4yer> jemand zufällig eine idee, wie ich das fixen kann? wine:i386 wirft bergeweise abhängigkeitsprobleme auf
[11:28] <m4yer> oh, wrong channel, never mind ...
[11:52] <gnomefreak> t
[12:27] <bazhang> gnomefreak, hi
[12:27] <gnomefreak> hi bazhang
[12:31] <RafaelItpro> Hello Guys!
[12:32] <RafaelItpro> Someone tell me how to make a VM of Ubuntu 4.12?
[12:32] <RafaelItpro> 12.04
[12:32] <sagaci> RafaelItpro: desktop?
[12:32] <RafaelItpro> yes!
[12:33] <Ian_Corne> install 11.10 in the vm and upgrade
[12:33] <Ian_Corne> to 12.04
[12:35] <RafaelItpro> ok Ian_Corne thansk!
[12:36] <RafaelItpro> Where you live?
[12:36] <RafaelItpro> I am Brazilian.
[12:37] <Ian_Corne> I'm Belgian
[12:37] <patdk-wk> I'm a mutt
[12:38] <RafaelItpro> Working at a university and use 100% of our Ubuntu servers.
[12:39] <RafaelItpro> On the desktop environment for Ubuntu is 80%.
[12:45] <Ian_Corne> I don't know what you're talking about :p
[13:31] <gnomefreak> how do i use the cube? or any other compiz settings i have enabled. like water, wobbly windows, ect...
[13:32] <Azelphur> gnomefreak: install compizconfig settings manager
[13:33] <gnomefreak> it is , let me check but i think it is
[13:33] <gnomefreak> yes it isd
[13:33] <gnomefreak> is
[13:33] <gnomefreak> i enabled them just cant get them to do anything
[13:33] <Azelphur> try relogging, sometimes ccsm settings don't take effect for some reason
[13:34] <h00k> This channel isn't for 11.10 support
[13:34] <gnomefreak> h00k: and im not on 11.10
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Description:	Ubuntu precise (development branch)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> Release:	12.04
[13:34] <gnomefreak> brgb try signing in again
[13:45] <gnomefreak> yeah im still not getting anything. example water effects key combo is alt+super andf nothing happens
[13:45] <gnomefreak> sorry ctrl+super
[13:46] <gnomefreak> ctrl+super gives each icon in launcher panel numbers
[13:47] <h00k> gnomefreak: just Super by itself gives each icon numbers in the launcher
[13:47] <gnomefreak> ctrl+alt+down does not use cube but brings up a desktop switer box
[13:48] <gnomefreak> so its ignoring the ctrl
[13:49] <gnomefreak> me is just going on key combos in compiz settings advanced search
[13:53] <gnomefreak> radeontool is installed by default but when you use show you get this message in description
[13:53] <gnomefreak> WARNING: Radeontool code has not been completely audited and may contain bugs that could damage your hardware. Use at your own risk.
[13:54] <penguin42> damage to wildlife may not be impossible; do not use if you plan on having children......
[13:55] <penguin42> gnomefreak: I like the collection of warnings on hdparm, the flags vary from DANGEROUS, through VERY DANGEROUS to EXTREMELY DANGEROUS
[13:55] <gnomefreak> lol
[13:55] <Pici> nice
[13:56] <genii-around> Shouldn't it be using sdparm now?
[13:57]  * gnomefreak thinks we should *NOT* include packages with these warnings in default install. but hey thats just me
[13:59] <gnomefreak> since hdparm in installed by default and sdparm isnt i would say use either but we are expected to ise hdparm maybe?
[13:59] <gnomefreak> s/ose/use
[13:59] <gnomefreak> ise even
[14:00] <penguin42> gnomefreak: The problem is that they are useful tools to dig yourself out of a hole; but you can make a very big one with them
[14:01] <gnomefreak> true
[16:51] <GTRsdk> Has anyone been able to successfully upgrade from Lucid to Precise?
[16:52] <Stanley00> GTRsdk: precise? It's not started yet...
[16:52] <GTRsdk> Stanley00: I have th e sources.list entries, and  they work fine.
[16:53] <carli2> hi
[16:54] <carli2> will 12.04 support the pandora platform?
[16:54] <GTRsdk> I didn't run any Lucid updates
[16:54] <GTRsdk> So that could be an issue
[16:54] <GTRsdk> carli2: I would imagine it would work, as lo ng as Debian works on it
[16:55] <jbicha> carli2: what in the world is the pandora platform?
[16:55] <carli2> jbicha: google for "openpandora"
[16:56] <jbicha> but maybe I don't want to open pandora! ;)
[16:58] <GTRsdk> carli2: I think Debian would have to be able to run on openpandora first
[16:59] <carli2> GTRsdk: an other problem would be the proprietary gpu driver which needs EGL and enables GLES 1.1/2.0. but when precise introduces wayland, it should be no problem
[17:01] <GTRsdk> carli2: It appears to use the ARM processor, so I think it would work if the graphics will work properly.
[17:03] <jbicha> it also depends on what you mean by "support", Unity won't work well on an 800x480 screen
[17:06] <carli2> fail :D
[17:16] <GTRsdk> Would updating some packagies from Oneiric help?
[17:17] <GTRsdk> That doesn't work, since Precise must have some new packages.
[17:42] <bjsnider> someone named a platform "openpandora"? you cannot be serious
[18:54] <penguin42> bjsnider: Well, once it's open
[18:57] <e\ectro> what is the max character length of a username?
[19:20] <csgeek> I'm having essentially the same problem as: http://serverfault.com/questions/321724/ubuntu-server-upgrade-over-ssh-hang
[19:20] <csgeek> anyone have any hints/suggestions?
[19:22] <GTRsdk> It looks like Lucid to Precise isn't yet possible... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:22] <Ian_Corne> who the hell upgrades over ssh :p
[19:22] <guntbert> csgeek: don't worry about the message for now - use top/htop/iotop to determine if there is any activity from the upgrade process
[19:22] <Pici> I do.
[19:23] <Pici> GTRsdk: Of course it isn't.  Precise is nearly the same thing as Oneiric at this point.
[19:24] <GTRsdk> Pici: That's somewhat disappointing... Is there a way to rescure a Lucid computer that tried to upgrade to Precise?
[19:25] <Pici> GTRsdk: Restore from your backup.
[19:25] <GTRsdk> Pici: deja dup?
[19:26] <jbicha> csgeek: I've upgraded several times over ssh, it requires a bit of babysitting as I regularly get freezes
[19:26] <penguin42> jbicha: That's somewhere between brave and foolhardy.....
[19:26] <csgeek> it's not the ssh part I'm concerned about.. it's the I'm stuck
[19:26] <csgeek> I'm sitting at the physical machine.. the error was identical
[19:26] <Pici> GTRsdk: whatever backup you made before you started this upgrade.
[19:26] <jbicha> GTRsdk: why do you expect a Lucid to Precise upgrade to work? most devs are still on Oneiric
[19:27] <GTRsdk> Pici: I didn't make any backups, so how should I make one on Lucid?
[19:27] <jbicha> csgeek: I don't remember the exact commands I had to use, basically I used top to see what apt/dpkg command was stuck so I could kill it
[19:28] <csgeek> guntbert: it was stuck on that for over 20-30 minutes
[19:28] <jbicha> and do sudo dpkg --configure -a and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade repeatedly until it finishes
[19:28] <jbicha> but please don't blame me if you have problems doing that
[19:29] <Pici> GTRsdk: I don't know what to say.
[19:29] <csgeek> yeah.. I Ctrl+C ed it already
[19:29] <csgeek> I'm going back and forth between dpkg --configure + upgrade
[19:29] <jbicha> penguin42: what else can you do when you're renting a webserver you don't have physical access to?
[19:30] <jbicha> actually last time I used ps aux | grep apt or grep dpkg, a bit more "precise" than just using top
[19:41] <penguin42> jbicha: The company I use has a separate ssh access to the console, separate from the installation in the VM
[20:12] <iceroot> as it seems there are already 12.04 packages http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/  but "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"  is not showing 12.04.
[20:13] <yofel> iceroot: it won't until alpha1
[20:13] <yofel> for now you need to s/oneiric/precise/ in your sorces.list by hand
[20:13] <yofel> *sources.list
[20:13] <jbicha> iceroot: upgrading to 12.04 isn't supported yet either, even for early adopters :)
[20:13] <iceroot> ah ok, so "do-release-upgrade -d" is doing more then just searching for the 12.04 repo
[20:14] <arand> It does some sanity checks, disables PPAs, afaik
[20:14] <iceroot> but using stable isnt fun :( its mainstream *gg*
[20:15] <iceroot> any timeline for alpha1?
[20:16] <iceroot> ah topic...
[20:16] <Pici> And it shouldn't need to be mentioned (...) but upgrading from Lucid isn't supported yet either.
[20:17] <iceroot> :)
[20:17] <yofel> oh right, LTS upgrade time, this'll be fun ^^
[20:17] <iceroot> without wayland its boring :)
[20:18] <yofel> well, that doesn't affect me at least, as I'm on nvidia
[20:18] <iceroot> i think that change will affect alot
[20:19] <iceroot> imo the biggest change in the last years much bigger then gnome2 -> unity or upstart
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> hi
[20:43] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: ping
[20:44] <bjsnider> hi
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: /j #ubuntu-mozilla
[20:44] <bjsnider> why?
[20:44] <FernandoMiguel> cause you said you were willing to give chromium packing a help
[20:45] <bjsnider> i tried to build it here last night
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> please join
[20:46] <bjsnider> the source of the latest code is 220mb compressed
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> you can get more help there
[20:46] <FernandoMiguel> chrisccoulson: is just trying to package a new build
[20:46] <bjsnider> there's nobody there
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: /j #ubuntu-mozillateam sorry
[20:47] <bjsnider> source package is too big for my connection
[20:47] <FernandoMiguel> okay
[20:57] <habanany> anybody help ? im using a 4gb usb, what should be the parmeter to put in ... spaces used to preserve files across reboots ubuntu only size unebootin
[20:58] <habanany> forgot to mention , im istalling ubuntu 11.04 live persistent
[20:59] <arand> !oneiric
[20:59] <arand> habanany: Support for non-dev releases in #ubuntu
[21:00] <habanany> ok
[21:01] <arand> I was looking for the !support factoid, rather :)
[21:02] <Pici> The !$developmentversion factoid in #ubuntu normally pushes you to this channel, its sort of logical to think the opposite would work here.
[21:02] <Pici> But it doesn't, too bad.
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> anyone knows where I can get extra support for ARM?
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> planning to look to buy a arm laptop
[21:03] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, did you buy a new craptop?
[21:03] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: What form of support?
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> and test run arm on it
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> s/arm/ubuntu
[21:03] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: There is a #ubuntu-arm
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: laptop DIED :(
[21:04] <bjsnider> i know
[21:04] <bjsnider> it's not dead, it's just functionally challenged
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> ahah
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> sure
[21:04] <FernandoMiguel> no GPU
[21:05] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: There is quite a range of different ARM versions; make sure you get something fairly new; something based on a Cortex-a9 preferably
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> works great as a server ....
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> bl
[21:05] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: And preferably with Neon
[23:21] <johnjohn101> anyone here?
[23:22] <penguin42> maybe
[23:23] <johnjohn101> i was reading about the goals for pangolin and had some questions about multiple monitors
[23:24] <penguin42> hmm I don't know anything about the goals
[23:24] <johnjohn101> it's ok, just wanted to know what some of the issues with multiple monitors are are why they are hard to setup.
[23:25] <johnjohn101> Precise Pangolin will also offer better support for multiple monitors, Shuttleworth said.
[23:25] <penguin42> johnjohn101: The graphics drivers seem to be less stable on multiple monitors - memory allocation is difficult for them I think
[23:25] <penguin42> johnjohn101: There are also questions about whether Unity works well on multiple monitors - e.g. where do you put the dock and where do the menus live
[23:26] <johnjohn101> so it's really the proprietary drivers that have the issues and not x.org?
[23:26] <johnjohn101> i can understand those issues with the DE for sure.
[23:27] <penguin42> even the Intel drivers are touchy on multiple monitors
[23:28] <johnjohn101> yeah, it would be nice to get this addressed once and for all in the linux world
[23:28] <johnjohn101> just like the had the focus on hibernate/suspend and udev
[23:30] <johnjohn101> i really thought xorg.conf went away.
[23:30] <penguin42> it has mostly - most stuff is auto detected
[23:31] <johnjohn101> i appreciate the insignt
[23:31] <penguin42> multi monitor seems to work pretty well on the Lucid laptop (Intel graphics) i use for work; I can pick the laptop up and wonder into a meeting room and come back to my desk and plug my external monitor in with not too much hastle
[23:31] <johnjohn101> very cool.
[23:32] <johnjohn101> when my wife is getting dual monitors at work, you know it's becoming mainstream!!
[23:32] <penguin42> actually the one thing I'd like is a bit more intelligence about being able to remember preferences - e.g. Gnome on Lucid always defaults to it putting the new monitor on the right which is incorrect for my current desk at work!
[23:33] <johnjohn101> are you actually working on the next release?
[23:33] <penguin42> no, I'm just a volunteer
[23:33] <johnjohn101> i wish i had time to attend uds.  always love to read what comes out of there
[23:35] <johnjohn101> hard to believe ubuntu is 7 years old.   i installed the first version with the red shipit cds but didn't make it my make desktop until 9.10