[06:23] _another_ cups update? *sigh* [06:48] Morning [06:49] lo popey [06:49] My son James is off to school shortly. He's giving a presentation today... [06:49] On Minecraft :-D [06:54] hah [06:55] Both my boys seem horribly addicted.. Have now tightened up the time they have on the machine using Timekpr [06:56] have you got a server at home? [06:56] or do they use other remote servers? [06:56] or just play local games [06:56] Not one big enough to run it I think. [06:57] for 2 players you dont need much [06:57] I think they are just running a local client(?) if that is the right word. [06:57] yeah [06:57] i run a server on an acer revo ☺ [06:57] My server has 1GB of ram and is a VIA C7 downclocked to 1GHz ;-) [06:58] aloha all [06:58] heh [06:58] morning czajkowski [06:59] TheOpenSourcerer: ello ello [07:02] Seen these high-level goals for 10.04? http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/10/20/precision-planning-prepping-for-12-04-lts/ Sounds encouraging. I might be able to upgrade my desktop next year ;-) [07:25] morning czajkowski, popey, TheOpenSourcerer :) [07:31] Morning [07:34] hi christel [07:36] hey hey [07:36] (and hi daubers) [07:51] morning [07:51] Morning [07:53] morning all [07:58] Morning [08:07] morning all [08:08] Ello wake things [08:12] * DJones returns a "lo" to bigcalm as its half a "Ello" and I'm only half awake [08:13] :) [08:19] ehlo [08:21] morning AlanBell [08:21] Sheesh, this sounds abit too much like big brother http://activepolitic.com:82/News/2011-10-19d/EU_Parliament_Debates_Installing_A_Black_Box_On_Your_Computer.html [08:21] morning bells [08:25] good morning everyone. [08:25] DJones: knowing italian politicians, there is probably a monetary incentive [08:25] :) [08:26] I'm sure they'll pay tax on it [08:26] i was thinking more likely shares in the company [08:28] DJones: strangely, Logbox is completely different to what they said it is [08:28] i think they linked to the wrong site [08:31] * daubers needs stronger coffee [08:31] Has anybody written a GUI or web interface for get-iplayer? [08:31] bigcalm: i've seen something related [08:34] bigcalm: the old get_iplayer had an interface built in http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/get_iplayer-pvr-manager [08:34] morning all [08:34] I see [08:34] Ta [08:35] Good morning all! [08:35] bigcalm! *squeze* [08:35] plus spelling [08:35] time to go home yet? lol [08:35] training all day :/ [08:36] MooDoo: yes [08:36] morning JamesTait [08:36] morning! [08:36] hey biggie [08:37] christel: *yummy squeeze* [08:37] Hiya hoovie [08:38] bigcalm: hows the latest version of spotify? it has better integration doesnt it? [08:42] smittix: *shrug* [08:42] smittix: it works, haven't noticed much [08:42] smittix: It does appear in the volume control, not sure how long it's done that for though [08:44] Im having some weird issues with VLC at the minute. Sound is out of sync on every video i play. I keep having to delay the audio by 150ms [08:45] WEird [08:46] vlc has gotten crappy the past few releases =\ [08:48] Every other media player works flawlessly [08:48] oimon: the perl web interface doesn't work out of the box. Looks like I'll need to fix it 1st :( [08:49] That's a shame. I've just got my dad away from WMP and onto VLC [08:49] In other news: new ram for Revo has arrived \o/ [08:49] Time to butcher my revo :D === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [08:53] Poor revo hasn't been turned off in such a long time [08:53] Really pleased at how well it has coped [08:53] anyone seen resizing terminal windows scrolls up in 11.10? [08:54] quite annoying when using screen sessions [08:54] AlanBell: I haven't noticed that [08:55] As far as my use has gone, its been the same (but screen is running on a remote machine on 11.04) its the machine I physically use that has 11.10 [08:55] particularly when making a window taller [08:55] yeah, only the client end matters [08:56] and using the standard gnome-terminal === lJl is now known as LjL [09:06] my 11.10 machine with 1GB RAM just OOMd :( [09:07] http://popey.com/blog/2011/10/20/happy-hour-comes-to-farnborough/ [09:07] \o/ [09:11] \o/ [09:11] * daubers needs to book some train tickets [09:15] popey: put 4gb into the revo and free -m shows just over 3gb is available. Where in the bios can I fix this? [09:16] you cant [09:16] Sod [09:16] MemTotal: 3316336 kB [09:17] thats how much mine shows [09:17] Mem: 3096364 [09:18] computer future are evil [09:19] job agency. they are spamming my work address from all directions with unsolicited mail, and when i sent email to their data-audit address requesting complete removal, i get a reply "thanks for adding yourself to our database" [09:20] I'm sure we've all had this convo before, but I don't remember the answer. How do you find out if you have 32bit of 64bit ubuntu? [09:20] uname -a [09:20] Linux revo 2.6.32-34-generic #77-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 13 19:40:53 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux [09:20] Looks like it's 32bit then [09:20] yep [09:20] Sod [09:21] I really didn't want to mess with the OS on it [09:21] Oh well. At least the eeepc 1000 gets some new memory now :) [09:22] bigcalm: You could just install the pae kernel [09:22] bigcalm: you can reduce the memory used by the video card [09:22] which will give you a tiny bit more [09:22] popey: that's the option I was looking for in the bios [09:27] when does the venue for oggcamp get decided ? (if it is happening in 2012) === andatche_ is now known as andatche [09:31] In any language does the word "yes" start with an "n"? [09:32] Heh [09:32] daubers: yes, in arabic [09:32] Na'am [09:32] Nuts [09:32] There goes my easy way out :( [09:32] and Greek [09:32] Nai [09:32] I once wrote a very silly basic prog that was set to quit on any key press because of different languages [09:33] bigcalm: the option is in the video bit [09:33] shared memory hole or something [09:33] oimon: we haven't even discussed if there will be an oggcamp 2012 [09:33] popey: that's what I was looking for but didn't see. Oh well, I'll have a look at the pae kernel [09:34] I've got a curses based program that I'm enabling for translations that expects y/n for yes/no :( [09:34] oimon: maybe we should try and get tonytiger and popey drunk enought to pick a venue tonight [09:34] popey: ok thanks. i was already tentatively recruiting people after my first visit this year :P [09:35] oimon: Recruiting for what? [09:35] oggcamp attendance [09:35] ah, ok [09:35] daubers: you looking for a new job? [09:35] :D [09:35] i am also recruiting for a syadmin very shortly too though [09:38] MooDoo: Depends if people want to pay me £lots more [09:41] a job? [09:42] Laney: MooDoo: Roundhouse http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ [09:43] splendid choice [09:45] Hmm... I could goto the Oxford one as well, that's only a £7.20 train trip [09:46] it might not be Oxford next [09:47] Laney: you going? [09:47] could be, but it isn't set in stone [09:47] MooDoo: likely yeah, if others do ... [09:48] Laney: cool, meet you there :D [09:48] want to post it to nlug? [09:48] Laney: not on the mailing list any more, i'll have to re-add myself [09:49] yeah, silly moderated lists [09:49] AlanBell: No, but when it rolls around it's a viable option :) [09:49] Laney: just added myself, i'll email them shortly [09:50] Laney: in fact, doing it now :D [09:50] good man [09:51] can't say I've been to the Roundhouse [09:52] * diplo sees about organised a trip to HO [09:52] organising* [09:52] I just pimped tonights one to Hants and Surrey LUGs [09:52] yeah it's a v nice pub [09:52] Laney: ok mail sent :D [09:54] popey: Mind if I steal your text to pimp it to sclug? [09:54] (and possibly reading hackspace) [09:55] Laney: i'll be there in my ubuntu tshirt with a xhristmas tux lol [09:56] daubers: sure [09:56] might get busy in there tonight [09:56] popey: ta [09:56] its only a small pub but they have an outdoor area which is covered [10:00] Oh joy. Eclipse now ignores the filter on .* when it comes to .svn folders [10:01] Messy folder lists :( [10:01] passed on to sclug and rdg hackspace :) [10:01] bigcalm: Was it you that had the Kogan android tablet [10:01] I had a dream that I was on Canonical One last night [10:02] "Canonical One"? New TV Channel? [10:02] http://www.flickr.com/photos/keybuk/sets/72157603242579632/ [10:02] heh [10:02] DJones: indeed, I have that pain [10:03] Thought it was, seems like they're bringing another one out http://www.reghardware.com/2011/10/20/kogan_intros_cut_price_8in_10in_android_tablets/ [10:03] http://www.kogan.co.uk/shop/10-inch-tablet-pc-android/ [10:04] * bigcalm shudders [10:04] Powerful 1HGz Processor [10:04] What technology are they using?! [10:05] I noticed that, great spell technology [10:05] * popey upgrades his netbook to 11.10 before tonight [10:05] wonder if this is wise [10:05] "Hgz = Hamster Goes Zoom" [10:05] HAHA [10:05] popey: are you crazy?! [10:05] You have to ask. [10:05] Daviey: yes [10:05] davmor2: is popey crazy? [10:06] bigcalm: always [10:06] morning all [10:06] :D [10:06] davmor2: stop causing trouble. [10:06] motning davmor2 [10:06] bigcalm: any particular reason this time? [10:07] MooDoo: motning to you too ;) [10:07] davmor2: does there need to be a reason? [10:07] Daviey: what? [10:07] davmor2: pah i can't type [10:07] Hey, I noticed that the Ben Nevis is listed as a possible Happy Hour spot. It's a fun pub but it's tiny and usually full to the brim. There's another pub just down the road, the Bon Accord, which has just as good beer, but more space. Plus the Bon Accord has flat entry for wheelchairs and the Nevis doesn't. [10:07] (this is in Glasgow) [10:08] * AlanBell takes note of the advice from our Glasgow correspondent [10:08] Pendulum: the nevis doesn't have flat entry? [10:08] Daviey: you must of misinterpreted my important role on #ubuntu-uk it is the role of polite trouble maker [10:08] I think I just made my 1st post to the mailing list. Weird [10:08] bigcalm: you make it sound like it is an accident [10:09] davmor2: it just surprises me when I do something for the 1st time [10:09] gordonjcp: nope. big step in the back and 2 small steps in the front. PITA to get in with a chair TBH [10:09] and I've only been in there once where I could actually move my chair once I was inside [10:09] bigcalm: haha [10:09] bigcalm: You have made your post to the mailing list, interesting reason for not being at the meeting [10:09] :D [10:10] (last time I had to actually go back outside to get around to the loos it was so crowded) [10:10] The gig was booked a long time ago by Hayley. [10:10] Pendulum: it's certainly pretty cramped [10:10] Better than mine anyway, I can't attend because I'm going to the cinema [10:10] * bigcalm hugs AlanBell [10:10] Pendulum: iirc the bon has a proper disabled toilet [10:11] bigcalm: I want to go see them! My brother has and said they where amazing [10:11] Pendulum: I will check wheelchair access on all future venues [10:12] DJones: Best waiting for the cinema until next week when Tintin comes out [10:12] daubers: Free tickets, so cheap night out [10:12] DJones: Ah, fair enough [10:13] daubers: good news :) [10:13] Laney: MooDoo: does the roundhouse have wheelchair access? [10:14] AlanBell: not sure, i'll see if there is anything on the site, else i'll go do a rekky [10:15] great [10:15] 11.15am and I haven't had any music on yet. What is the world coming to? [10:16] First thing i do when i sit down [10:18] today i am mostly: shivering in the office [10:19] i took a hot water bottle to work yesterday [10:19] Laney: where are you agsain? [10:19] jubilee [10:19] davmor2: yes! [10:23] Anybody here who uses get_iplayer have the file get_iplayer.cgi? I'm struggling to find a working link to download it [10:24] what's get_iplayer.cgi? [10:24] don't have that in .get_iplayer/ [10:25] A web interface to get_iplayer [10:25] Daviey: No! .... we are playing the opposites game right? [10:26] any good? [10:26] never heard of it [10:26] Daviey: I hear good things about the latest server edition I can't wait for 12.04's version [10:26] bigcalm, https://code.launchpad.net/get-iplayer [10:26] * popey starts do-release-upgrade on his netbewk [10:26] Laney: its a bit ropey [10:27] [Alan Pope] Happy Hour Comes to Farnborough - http://popey.com/blog/2011/10/20/happy-hour-comes-to-farnborough/ [10:27] bigcalm: Its also included in ftp://ftp.infradead.org/pub/get_iplayer/ [10:27] Interesting, thanks guys [10:28] popey: why not just do upgrade via update-manager you know with that new fangled graphical user interface? [10:30] the cabinet office website is served from ubuntu "Server: Apache/2.2.11 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.6-3ubuntu4.6 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2 [10:30] .2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8g" [10:30] !!! [10:31] which reminds me to chase the cabinet office about another server to be running Ubuntu + ruby on rails [10:31] ref http://www.itp.tuwien.ac.at/~mattems/blog/2011/10/20#meme_president_at — couldn't find any other definitive answers [10:32] davmor2: i had a terminal open already [10:32] * mgdm +1s Pendulum's suggestion [10:33] It was probably me that suggested the Ben Nevis, but that was because I didn't realise what it was for, and thought someone was just after a pub :) [10:33] Laney: looks like the notts lug team are working on t-shirts :D [10:33] popey: You'd of done it in the terminal anyway you know it as well as I do ;) [10:34] i still don't trust update manager to get me on a new version... i can't even qualify why [10:36] * daubers does a coffee run [10:36] that version of php5 was only published in jaunty-security?!?!? [10:39] popey: " [10:39] I don't want you to think I was hallucinating, but having just looked again it's fine. So whatever it was the passage of time has sorted it out!" [10:40] My clients are a funny lot [10:40] :D [10:40] davmor2: i did consider using update manager [10:40] looked at the launcher and saw no icon for it [10:41] popey: :) [10:41] figured it was faster to type "sudo do-release-upgrade" than it would be to press the windows key and search for update manager and wait for that to load [10:41] I am of course (as always) right [10:41] popey: on a plus side there is in Oneiric under the powting icon (power/settings button) [10:42] "the powting icon" <- official nomenclature? [10:42] one of the things we wanted to do this cycle but didn't get time for, was to launch any command you type in alt+f2 that doesn't match a command in a desktop file (ie; gui app) in a terminal, so then you could of alt+f2 sudo do-release-upgrade :) [10:42] is that the official name of it? [10:42] Powting [10:43] technically its the session indicator ;) [10:43] pffft [10:43] you and your accuracy [10:43] loon [10:45] :( how do you close banshee? [10:45] popey: I prefer powting :) [10:45] i opened it and now it stole my media keys and i can't actually quit it to be able to pause my music playing in rb [10:46] you dont need to quit [10:46] (c) mpt [10:46] killall to the rescue i guess [10:47] close it when the music is paused [10:47] (c) canonical design team, indeed [10:48] lol [10:49] AlanBell: I liked you're post on the the a11y stuff in the installer :) not perfect but getting better by the sound of it :) [10:51] Whatever you can't quit, only makes you slower [10:51] I can't quit you, tonytiger [10:52] Get a room. [10:54] A pyroom? [10:54] pyro? mmph mmmph mph! [10:56] What shall lunch be today? [10:56] green eggs and ham [10:56] I think I should have some before 3pm like I did yesterday :S [10:57] It's "disappointing curry" day in the restaurant at work. [10:57] I dont think they call it that on the menu though, probably just "curry" [10:57] free sub for me [10:57] which is code for "you have spent too much money at subway" [10:57] :D [10:57] it's baguette day in the office today [10:57] I made myself a sandwich this morning though. [10:57] which is code for "sausage & mash in the canteen" [10:58] popey: We add "disappointing" to everything served in our company restaurant [10:58] * Laney ought to stop being lazy [10:58] So I should eat that. [10:58] or save it for pre-pub tea. [11:02] pre-pub... [11:03] sounds good! ;-) [11:04] oh, warty was released 7 years ago today. that makes me feel a bit old [11:04] just a bit [11:05] gord: you are old ;) [11:06] I would have been 28 :) [11:06] aquarius: FWIW, Tilda positioning works fine on Unity2D [11:06] i'm 25 thanks :P - basically a baby [11:08] o.O [11:09] What happens after it's 13years old and the alphabet has been exhausted? [11:10] bigcalm: lots of alphabets left [11:10] bigcalm: he speaks russian [11:12] can't wait till we use the galactic alphabet, then we can have nyan cat as an animal [11:13] Nerds +1 [11:13] i assume mark is fluent in it, for obvious reasons [11:13] davmor2: thanks. The installer still needs some attention, but the big thing is ctrl+s to start speech [11:18] we've had H twice anyway [11:20] gord: you're 25!!!!!! OMG I feel old [11:20] davmor2: you are old [11:20] 25 AND A HALF thank you [11:20] MooDoo: still younger than you and popey though :P [11:21] davmor2: pah! what are you now? [11:21] gord: haha [11:21] i don't think its possible to be older than popey [11:21] gord: /me is i think [11:21] nah its like the universal constant [11:21] <-- 35 [11:21] gord: I thought the universal constant was popey is always to blame? [11:24] * MooDoo <-- 39 [40 in april] :S [11:25] Humm, kindle update. What new goodies will it give me this time I wonder [11:25] davmor2, no thats universal causality. it explains entropy [11:25] bigcalm: "new Kindle"? [11:25] bigcalm: or old model? [11:25] MartijnVdS: last one [11:26] the one with the keyboard? [11:26] does it get updates OTA? [11:26] gord: yes and yes [11:26] this is the week for updates.. my touchpad got an update too [11:26] Anyone in here have a eTrayz ( Xtreamer ) device ? [11:26] cool, should charge mine [11:26] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200594320 [11:26] though mine likes to suck battery these days =\ don't know why [11:27] gord: do you have a 3g version? [11:27] nope [11:27] Humm, strange [11:27] are batteries replaceable? [11:27] No [11:27] i put a hacked firmware on there so i could play zork ;) [11:27] Ooo [11:30] I actually like reading books on mine. So it's unlikely that I'll be messing with the firmware [11:31] yeah i was just playing, put the ubuntu font on there and replaced the screensaver images with my own ones (covers of megadrive games) [11:32] I remember that [11:34] AlanBell: Should the happy hour map always originate at London? [11:35] daubers: centre of the universe [11:36] MartijnVdS: For londoners anyway :p [11:36] for a while the centre of maps.google.co.uk was a few roads down from me, but now they moved it :( [11:38] gord: you can set the default location for maps.google [11:38] at least if you're logged in [11:46] hmm my OO is doing a surprisingly large set of updates [11:52] Good afternoon all :) / [11:52] o/ [11:55] daubers: it puts them in the order of entry and I got the first two backwards :( [11:56] I think I will fix it soon, before it becomes too hard to fix [11:57] afternoon selinuxium [11:57] wow - anyone used gmusicbrowser? there's a menu option that says "Make it look like: rhythmbox, exaile, quodlibert..etc" and it works! [11:57] oimon: I tried that one a couple of years ago [11:58] hoover: any issues? [11:58] just trying it out in my eternal quest for a usable music player [11:59] man there's a whole bunch of layouts possible [12:06] I remember it as not too feature rich from back then [12:06] * hoover is still stuck with amarok14 [12:07] wine winamp :P [12:07] I hate winamp with a passion ;-) [12:08] I think amarok 1.4 had it all in the bag until they completely changed the UI [12:13] i remember winamp moving to 3.0 and its Ui was massiiive, now that same ui seems tiny ;) [12:13] ugh [12:13] hoover: amarok 1.4 was ace [12:13] during upgrade to 11.10 I am getting loads of errors adding /etc/ssl/certs/somecertname.pem [12:14] not fun [12:14] for years i never used anything else except amarok , even on gnome [12:22] popey, My colleague at work had that as well [12:23] Hasn't seemed to affect anything post install [12:23] *yet* [12:25] heh [12:25] I'll reinstall some certificate based stuff anyway after it finishes [12:29] hello ubunterers. [12:31] hello Paul2 [12:32] Bah, stupid flooding in Thailand [12:32] hello popey. How many people are you taking to the pub? [12:32] dunno how many will turn up [12:32] at least 6 :D [12:32] maybe more [12:32] maybe less, maybe just me on my own [12:33] I don't suppose anybody knows how long it takes for LP to make the change to your default contact address? [12:33] I am quite tempted to turn up... [12:34] popey: does said pub do (good) food? Will you or anyone else be partaking in said food? [12:34] I'm coming!! [12:34] (or shall I just pop round yours beforehand and mrs popey can make me a bacon sandwich :D) [12:34] daubers: you're food? [12:34] MartijnVdS: Umm.... probably shouldn't go there in a family friendly environment :p [12:34] hah [12:34] i dont know if they do food, I don't think so. [12:35] However, if said pub does said food then I shall probably partake of something [12:35] Joeb454: the redirect for your @ubuntu account? [12:35] Joeb454: I don't believe it's automatic, Ng maybe able to confirm that [12:36] o/ Paul2 [12:36] Website suggests they do the usual burgers/chips stuffs [12:36]