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| wgrant | Laney: You do some UDD stuff, right (the Debian definition, not the Ubuntu one)? | 00:39 |
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| ajmitch | he does | 00:46 |
| * ajmitch doesn't expect to see him online at this hour though | 00:46 | |
| james_w | broder, is there a way to get Debian info from distro-info? | 00:59 |
| ajmitch | james_w: debian-distro-info | 01:03 |
| james_w | ajmitch, thanks | 01:19 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:02 |
| Laney | wgrant: only one specific bit, but yes | 07:43 |
| wgrant | Laney: There's at least one UDD thing using the LP edge API, which has been deprecated for nearly a year now. The consumer name is "merges". Do you know who is responsible for that, so I can convince them to use production instead? | 07:44 |
| Laney | wgrant: Hmm, I don't see anything in svn, and I am not aware of anything external which uses lplib... | 07:56 |
| Laney | is it coming from a d.o machine? | 07:56 |
| wgrant | Laney: I don't know directly which machine it's from, but it's the ultimatedebiandatabase user. | 07:58 |
| Laney | maybe lucas knows | 07:59 |
| wgrant | Ahhh, just looked up the IP address. It is indeed one of lucas' scripts, running on ubuntuwire. | 08:00 |
| wgrant | That explains why you couldn't find it. | 08:00 |
| Laney | aha | 08:01 |
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| Laney | ajmitch: or someone else ubuntuwire-ish — can we get a mirror of UDD on ubuntuwire? (if so, would I be able to have a public_html?) | 10:02 |
| * Laney has a fun script idea | 10:02 | |
| nigelb | Laney: does it involve graphing? :) | 10:03 |
| Laney | no | 10:03 |
| Laney | I got annoyed by another one of manish's posts on plus | 10:04 |
| Laney | he seems to want to do away with universe now | 10:04 |
| Laney | it's to showcase cool stuff in there :-) | 10:04 |
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| ajmitch | Laney: I guess we could, I'll need to read up on how to mirror it though | 10:04 |
| Laney | well you'll need postgres | 10:05 |
| Laney | and then there's a dump on udd.d.o generated every two days | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | yeah that's not a problem | 10:05 |
| Laney | not sure if it is rsyncable | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | both postgres 8.3 & 8.4 are installed | 10:06 |
| Laney | jesus I must be ill | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | how much diskspace do you need for your idea? | 10:07 |
| Laney | I can't type "psql" properly | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | heh | 10:07 |
| Laney | don't imagine much | 10:07 |
| Laney | it's just "show me a random cool universe package" | 10:08 |
| Laney | with cool to be defined | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | ok, since there's only a few GB free, the udd dump is currently 667MB compressed | 10:08 |
| Laney | this is the box that hosts revu too? | 10:08 |
| Laney | laney@samosa> ld -l /usr/bin/pdsq; ~ | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | no | 10:08 |
| Laney | ld: cannot find -l/usr/bin/pdsq | 10:08 |
| Laney | there is so much wrong with that | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | this is qa.ubuntuwire.com | 10:09 |
| Laney | aha | 10:09 |
| Laney | dunno, I'm sure I could figure out another way if it's too hard | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | not hard, I just have to see what I need to shuffle :) | 10:10 |
| Laney | maybe app-install-data would be better, if cool is limited to .desktoped apps only | 10:10 |
| Laney | that would probably be a shame | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | yeah it would, don't limit it | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | a mere 2.6GB uncompressed | 10:11 |
| Laney | heh | 10:12 |
| Laney | you don't have to mirror every table | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase/CreateLocalReplica is useful | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | yeah, but I have to grab the whole dump initially | 10:12 |
| Laney | unless you generate your own | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | right | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | but it might be useful to have the whole thing on qa.uw, right? | 10:13 |
| Laney | certainly | 10:13 |
| Laney | tumbleweed could move his scripts there then | 10:13 |
| Laney | maybe people could chip in for a bigger drive :-) | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | I'll see what's unallocated on the host first | 10:14 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, I'd also find a mirror of the Ubuntu UDD stuff on ubuntiwire handy | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | wgrant would know better than I would about what to sort out for disk space there | 10:19 |
| Laney | who hosts it / owns the hardware? | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | iirc it's nafallo that touches the hardware itself | 10:20 |
| ajmitch | there are a few kvm guests on the server | 10:21 |
| nigelb | Laney: who's post were you annoyed at? | 10:21 |
| Laney | manish | 10:21 |
| nigelb | sinha? | 10:22 |
| Laney | yes | 10:22 |
| nigelb | The one about battle for wenoth? | 10:22 |
| nigelb | *wesnoth? | 10:22 |
| Laney | no, i got annoyed about that one before | 10:22 |
| Laney | something about icons | 10:22 |
| nigelb | Ah, right. | 10:22 |
| nigelb | I've learned to ignore a few posts | 10:23 |
| Laney | it was in the comments | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | Laney: #ubuntuwire if you want | 10:23 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: btw, before I forget, in early breezy auto-syncs did make it to -changes. This was giving a huge spike in that graph. I ignored them now. Determining components for upload history is also non-trivial. If you could include that in your new importer, that'd be great. | 10:23 |
| Laney | ack | 10:23 |
| nigelb | Ah. I see it. | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | packages can be in universe at the time of upload & then promoted to main a few days later without you seeing it | 10:24 |
| Laney | hmm? | 10:24 |
| Laney | oh, yeah | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | promotions don't require an upload | 10:24 |
| Laney | but for upload history the component at the time of upload is interesting | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | and new packages go to universe by default | 10:25 |
| tumbleweed | ajmitch: yeah, I know, but... what Laney said | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | yeah it is interesting | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | it probably won't skew numbers too much | 10:25 |
| Laney | if you need the current component you can look in another tabe | 10:25 |
| Laney | table | 10:25 |
| tumbleweed | it's currently badly skewed towards unknown http://people.ubuntu.com/~stefanor/upload_activity/ | 10:25 |
| tumbleweed | partly because we aren't importing archived releases sources | 10:25 |
| tumbleweed | partly because not every sourec package uploaded during a release is in the final sources for that releas | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | large images ahead :) | 10:26 |
| tumbleweed | naah, it's all js | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | right but I'm scrolling for miles | 10:27 |
| tumbleweed | :) | 10:27 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: not that I've had to touch it since I installed it, but yeah. I'm the PoC :-P | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: right :) | 10:27 |
| wgrant | It has tonnes of space free, since it no longer does archive rebuilds. | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | almost 120GB unallocated | 10:29 |
| wgrant | And I suspect a fair bit of the rest is in unused VM images. | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | yes, though the VMs look to be using images on the filesystems instead of lvm? | 10:30 |
| wgrant | ajmitch: Right, the VM-specific LVs are from the Xen days. | 10:31 |
| wgrant | They can probably be deleted without much thought, but there's a bit free in the existing virt volume, and 110GB free in the VG... | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | yeah, it's mostly syklone that I want more disk space on at the moment | 10:34 |
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| * Laney welcomes tumbleweed! | 13:39 | |
| tumbleweed | heh, thanks | 13:39 |
| * Laney flashes the secret signal | 13:40 | |
| nigelb | To DMB? | 13:41 |
| Laney | aye aye cap'n | 13:41 |
| nigelb | \o/ | 13:41 |
| * tumbleweed whispers something discreetly | 13:42 | |
| tumbleweed | nigelb: I'm a temporary standin for persia | 13:42 |
| Laney | TO THE DEVELOPER-APPLICATIONMOBILE! | 13:42 |
| * Laney hits "Add member" and speeds off | 13:42 | |
| tumbleweed | we vaguely talked about a motu session at UDS. Any more thoughts? | 13:43 |
| nigelb | tumbleweed: Yeah, I hope persia's alright. | 13:45 |
| nigelb | I actually talked to him at UDS about board members being inactive. | 13:45 |
| nigelb | I find it ironic now :) | 13:46 |
| tumbleweed | apparently he is, but yeah I haven't got any responses either | 13:46 |
| Laney | apparently there are a lot of people getting their first fixes in (so dholbach told me yesterday), we are just failing at converting them into developers | 13:53 |
| tumbleweed | that sounds about right. the locals who jammed with me got sponsored uploads, but haven't got hooked (they claim not to have the time) | 13:55 |
| ajmitch | tumbleweed: I don't have time either, but I'm still sort of somewhat in the launchpad team :) | 14:25 |
| tumbleweed | yeah, if we all just had more time... | 14:28 |
| AnAnt | Hello, is there a way to control the logo position in unity-greeter ? | 14:32 |
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| tumbleweed | DktrKranz: seeing as you appear to be around and just mentioned syncpackage. I had a question for you: Have you seen bug 878868 | 21:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 878868 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "syncpackage --no-lp picks up to many changelog entries in certain situations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878868 | 21:11 |
| tumbleweed | it's a bit of a crazy corner case, but it made me wonder why we were doing what we are in syncpackage | 21:12 |
| DktrKranz | I've seen something similar in the past too | 21:14 |
| * tumbleweed just noticed that his patch in that bug would probably break new package syncs, but that's not related to the question :) | 21:16 | |
| DktrKranz | for NEW packages from Debian, it makes sense to have full changelog. It doesn't for packages we already had in Ubuntu. | 21:18 |
| tumbleweed | the problem here wasn't that we took the full changelog, but that we had version 1.1-0ubuntu1 in ubuntu, so we took changelog enttries >= 1.1-0. Why not >> 1.1-0ubuntu1 | 21:19 |
| DktrKranz | value passed to -v should be current version or 0 in case there isn't one | 21:21 |
| DktrKranz | then, dpkg will do the right thing | 21:21 |
| tumbleweed | right, I'll sort that out, my real question here is why are we using get_related_debian_version() at all? | 21:21 |
| DktrKranz | mmh | 21:23 |
| DktrKranz | I vaguely remember something | 21:25 |
| tumbleweed | one possible reason I can think of is packages like configure-debian, which went native to non-native, and we can't sync them properly until they get a new upstream version. | 21:26 |
| DktrKranz | I think it already checks wheter versions are fine | 21:26 |
| tumbleweed | yes, but if it did get a new upstream version, we'd want to pick up theintermediate changelog entries too, with get_releated_debian_version() we do | 21:27 |
| DktrKranz | as long as it takes the current version in the suite, intermediate changelogs should be considered automatically | 21:29 |
| tumbleweed | in this case. Ubuntu: 1.0.2ubuntu3. Debian: 1.0.2-0.1. If Debian were to go to 1.0.3-1. We'd want to not miss 1.0.2-0.1's changelog entry | 21:30 |
| DktrKranz | get_related_debian_version() is useful here, perhaps it just needs to be extended to pick common ancestor | 21:33 |
| tumbleweed | that requires walking both changelogs | 21:33 |
| tumbleweed | but yes, I also agree that that's probably the right thing to do | 21:34 |
| DktrKranz | aren't LP APIs able to determine versions? | 21:34 |
| DktrKranz | I thought LP would know | 21:34 |
| tumbleweed | ah, yeah ,we could walk the publication histories | 21:34 |
| DktrKranz | (oh, btw. "debuild", "--no-lintian" => "dpkg-buildpackage" ?) | 21:35 |
| tumbleweed | sounds about right | 21:35 |
| tumbleweed | looks like bdrung made that change | 21:37 |
| tumbleweed | not sure why. For the build log? | 21:37 |
| tumbleweed | (r 653) | 21:37 |
| bdrung | DktrKranz: no to "debuild", "--no-lintian" => "dpkg-buildpackage" because it doesn't evaluate debuild options (key signing is a killer feature for me) | 22:11 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: re version: we need to find the common anchor for the debian and ubuntu version | 22:12 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: agreed. I started looking at it, but doing it probably will require a little refactoring, to save lp roundtrips elsewhere in syncpackage | 22:15 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: btw, i commented the bug with one example | 22:22 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: we should put that function into a library and write some test cases for it. | 22:22 |
| tumbleweed | 'fraid it's not that easy. We need to implement it twice. Once for a local changelog (syncing from a dsc), and once for LP records on both distros | 22:24 |
| tumbleweed | btw, I have some ideas for running tests that require lp. But I doubt I'll have time for that any time soon :/ | 22:25 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: using stubs for the lp objects? | 22:33 |
| tumbleweed | bdrung: no, recording api queries and responses, and replaying them | 22:49 |
| bdrung | nice | 22:50 |
| bdrung | idea | 22:50 |
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