[00:14] hi I installed ocelot today. Trying to make a statup disk but it's been stuck @ 96% for over an hour now [00:16] I Don't bl**dy belieeeve it. Scrap that last mssg. It's just finished lol [00:16] hehe [00:17] on equestion How can I find the settings for empathy I want to uncheck @show offline contacts' [00:18] *one Q [00:19] * hux_ advises Azelphur to make for higher ground ;) [00:41] does anyone know how to change empathy's settings? [00:42] I want to get to bed soon :) [01:00] thanx 4 nowt then [04:59] Morning all [05:03] anyone here? [05:03] bb [07:05] Morning all [07:26] morning [07:29] _____ _ _ _ [07:29] | ___| __(_) __| | __ _ _ _| | [07:29] | |_ | '__| |/ _` |/ _` | | | | | [07:29] | _|| | | | (_| | (_| | |_| |_| [07:29] |_| |_| |_|\__,_|\__,_|\__, (_) [07:29] |___/ [07:29] \o/ [07:37] *\o/* [07:38] Yes! [07:41] popey, YAY! [07:41] morning all o/ [08:07] morning [08:12] Morning all [08:12] Everyone got their Stone Roses tickets?! [08:15] 55 quid, that's actually quite reasonably priced considering [08:15] chambo: stone who? ;) [08:15] what was the Led Zep reunion costing, 125 per ticket? [08:15] actually, wasn't it £125 to enter the lottery to get a ticket, at that [08:16] that's basically five nights out at King Tut's [08:16] Ha [08:16] where you'd see a decent band rather than some old dudes with the wrong drummer [08:16] actually you'd likely see two or three decent bands since the support acts are usually pretty good [08:18] Ha [08:19] Seems pretty unfair on zeppelin :P [08:25] stone roses were always really rough live, mainly due to ian brown being such a poor singer [08:29] Happy Friday, world! [08:31] Stone Roses played an outdoor concert in front of 27000 people where I live, described as a "woodstock for a baggy generation" :) [08:32] it would have been a happy friday if i hadnt woken up thinking it was saturday :( [08:33] my son kept me awake from around 5am making grouchy noises in his room [08:33] Hippychick: Wouldn't there then have been depression when you realised it was only friday though [08:34] Morning morning [08:36] Aloha [08:38] Howdy czajkowski :) [08:39] morning czajkowski [08:40] linuxprinting.org is still down, this is ridiculous :( [08:40] must be a month by now [08:46] yeah ☹ [08:46] What's linuxprinting.org do? [08:47] tells you why your printer doesn't work [08:47] Ah [08:47] actually the vast majority of printers do just work these days [08:47] Indeed. I'm pleased with my printing success [08:50] ever since someone told me to buy HP, i'v been happy with printers [08:51] yeah, i never buy canon, brother or epson because I just dont need that pain [08:51] This Lexmark laser works for me [08:52] still can't figure out how to get wifi printing working with my hp one though... i mean its not a linux thing, i just tried following the instructions and non of it made sense [08:52] it was like a riddle [08:53] morning [08:53] hello christel [08:53] lovely to see you last night [08:53] and you (and everyone else!) [08:55] sometimes when I click a square on the sidebar thing in Unity, the windows it refers to appear instantly, and sometimes they slowly shrink down and move about the screen [08:55] is there some subtle behavioural rule that I'm missing here? [08:56] if the app you click isnt already started you get a new window [08:56] if it is already started you get an overview of all its windows [08:56] if you middle click you get a new window of that app [08:56] popey: this is if I have for example two terminals already open [08:57] ok, so you get a 'zoomed out' view of the multiple terminal windows you have [08:57] *sometimes*, yes [08:59] linuxprinting is the only source of a particular HP drive i need (new printer) [08:59] maybe contact till ? [08:59] pretty sure he runs the site, he will likely have a copy of it [09:00] tkamppeter on irc [09:00] on our samsung scx-4500w wifi printing works just fine [09:00] thanks, will try my luck with till [09:00] good morning eevryone. [09:01] it is also the most beautiful mfp Ive ever seen [09:07] morning TheOpenSourcerer [09:07] lo popey [09:24] I really should have had some food at some point last night [09:24] Paul2! Nice to meet you yesterday :) [09:25] Made the train with about 5 seconds to spare, guard waiting to close the door and then promptly fell asleep until I got to Waterloo \o/ [09:25] The imitator. [09:25] christel: yes you too :) [09:25] 'Is Paul2 like Dave2? I hope not' [09:25] haha [09:26] :o [09:26] Paul2: I was very impressed you made the trip all the way from London! [09:26] It was pretty easy really [09:27] I didn't go because I'd be there for hardly any time before leaving in order to get to sleep at a decent time. And then I completely failed to get to sleep at a decent time. [09:27] Easier than going to somewhere in the middle of pimlico,nowheresville. [09:27] Dave2: I am most unimpressed by your failure to join us! [09:27] christel: goatlovers.co.cx doesn't sysadmin itself you know. some people have things to do! [09:28] Pft, not my fault it was a weekday before I had to be in at 9. [09:28] Paul2: true true [09:29] (Although if it was today I probably wouldn't be going either as I'm having PIE tomorrow.) [09:29] Dave2: I intend to work on AlanBell, whilst I love the whole "once a month, somewhere random in the UK" thing I can't help but feel we should do a regular SE thing too! [09:29] you wouldn't be going.. because you're having pie tomorrow.. [09:29] a regular SE thing, eh. [09:29] your logic is second to none [09:29] well, I don't want to be tired for pie. [09:29] * AlanBell wonders what being worked on entails [09:30] (I also wouldn't want to oversleep and miss meeting people who are arriving for pie.) [09:30] AlanBell: mainly it involves you saying "YES, that is an excellent idea, let's do it" :D [09:30] (Especially as I bet I'll sleep for 10 hours tonight, if past weekends are anything to go by.) [09:30] YES, that is an excellent idea, let's do it [09:31] * christel claps [09:31] Morning all - some of us have been up since 05:40 this morning :-) [09:31] * popey notes AlanBell doesn't need much 'working on' [09:31] It should be in Reading. [09:31] Clearly. [09:31] Reading is a good location [09:31] central london is good [09:31] heh [09:31] here we go ☺ [09:31] protip: pimlico isn't central london [09:31] TheOpenSourcerer: you've been out delivering milk, haven't you? [09:32] :D [09:32] Saucers of milk amirite [09:32] christel: That would have been a good idea but no. I have been discussing business planning and eating bacon rolls [09:33] I have a hunger. [09:33] Good job it's fish+chips+mushy_peas day \o/ [09:33] AlanBell: http://www.danslenoir.com/london/ [09:33] * oimon notices the connection between being indundated with phone calls and unsolicited emails from a job agency and one of their bods viewing my profile on linkedin. [09:34] christel: already called them this morning [09:34] ah fab! [09:34] you are so organised! [09:34] well thanks guys, I really enjoyed my middleaged pub visit. Featuring such classics as 'my diesel estate car' and 'my child's after school activities calendar' :D [09:34] hahaha [09:34] * oimon has a diesel estate car [09:34] :D [09:35] Me too [09:35] ah, but do people mistake you for a taxi? [09:35] I hit middle age about 20 years ago [09:35] not with a kid seat in the back [09:35] * DJones has a diesel picasso with a dog cage in the back, so almost an Estate car [09:35] i have a dog cage too [09:36] Dog as well? Or just to confuse things [09:36] popey: mushy peas? Do you have some northern blood? [09:36] I think I may [09:36] for shoving drunks in the back [09:36] * oimon notices popey has come out of the closet after years of denial (c.f. twitter) [09:36] My mum's a northerner by birth, though you couldn't tell, and I don't like them. [09:37] you don't like your mum? [09:37] mushy peas! [09:37] :D [09:37] My mum grew up in Blackburn though. [09:38] omg has improved since joey asserted more control over humphrey. however the quality of the comments is now also youtube commenter quality [09:38] welcome to the internet [09:39] I found a YouTube video the other day where the comments weren't moronic. [09:39] shame disqus doesn't have downvoting [09:40] Unfortunately I can't remember what it was. [09:40] (There was no mention of Justin Bieber though.) [09:40] Dave2 [citation needed] [09:41] Paul2: I realised I had to get a grip on things early on in my relationship with Carolyne, when it occurred to me that I did in fact have a Volvo hatchback and I was actually wearing a tweed jacket, and she was actually loading two labradors into the back... [09:43] haha [09:46] * gord see's a popey google+ post about iphone, decided to guess how many replies until someone said he should of used android, i over estimated. [09:47] gordonjcp: Did you guess 2 then [09:47] gord: even [09:48] morning [09:48] good pubbage last night? [09:48] pretty much ;) [09:52] gord: yeah [09:52] no one ever tells me to use iphone when i complain about my android phone being crap, but they do tell me to use a different android [09:55] with me at least, android has the same problem as linux [09:56] because it lets me break it, whenver anyoen I know sees my linux or android device, it's probably a little bit broken [09:56] gave a 30 min android tutorial to a new owner on the train today (he is a friend, not a random passenger). [09:56] BigRedS: :-) [09:56] BigRedS: this is true of any user-fiddleable device [09:56] it's funny to see people make the jump to smartphone and sturggle with short press long press, etc [09:57] android is not intuitive. [09:57] BigRedS: particularly when it's only *minorly* broken, just enough that it's slightly broken but it would take longer to fix than it does to just work around it [09:57] directhex: there is a learning curve, but so do all things worthwhile [09:57] directhex: the only intuitive interface in human history are boobs [09:57] directhex: everything else is learned [09:57] i give smartphones a 30 min / 2 hrs /1 week curve [09:58] essentials in 30 min / extra features 2 hours / second nature 1 week of use [09:58] gordonjcp, android's behaviour is hard to learn because it doesn't necessartily behave how you expect [09:58] I think it took me a bit longer than 30 minutes to figure out what I was meant to do with my new phone. [09:58] directhex: that's true of any phone though [09:58] directhex: or indeed, any unfamiliar control system [09:59] hey guys, just installed kde [09:59] getting this error: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279270 [09:59] Although maybe the definition of essentials differs. [09:59] KDE bug 279270 in polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 "Muon refuses to install updates with message "proper authorization was not provided" (1 1 90)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:59] if you're a non techie too then first 30 mins is best done with an experienced user. [09:59] any idea how I can view the state of this bug on ubuntu [09:59] same for ubuntu really [10:00] (I don't really consider making phone calls to be essential, but I do consider being able to ssh to be.) [10:00] bug 833058 [10:00] Launchpad bug 833058 in qapt (Ubuntu) "Muon-updater doesn't ask for password" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833058 [10:00] ^^ andylockran ? [10:00] popey: thanks [10:00] gordonjcp: yeah, exactly. And then you fix it and find muscle memory consigns you to still doing it the 'old' way anyway [10:00] popey: is there a way to link/view from the upstream bug? [10:01] polkit-kde-1 was missing :) [10:01] murz's comment solved the issue :) [10:01] gordonjcp, yes, again, true - but whether you like it or not, android is simply less obvious in how it behaves, regardless of your experience with other phones or computers, than many of the competitors [10:02] i'd say it's easier than blackberry though :p [10:02] directhex: "less obvious" than what? [10:02] iOS is more intuitive, except for multitasking which is not. windows phone 7 and webos are pretty obvious in how to use them [10:03] andylockran: i just googled [10:04] directhex: I find iOs _way_ less intuitive than Android. Including when I tried it before having had an android device [10:04] that was just pre my G1, though. Perhaps iOS has got better recently? I still find it hard to use [10:05] but I've had android for four years or so now... [10:05] directhex: iOS is more intuitive if you've used iOS [10:05] directhex: I've used iOS about twice, and still can't figure it out [10:05] er, two years. miscounted phones [10:06] gordonjcp, your experience is a long way from most people, then [10:07] gordonjcp, the question of intuitiveness of an interface is in how well behaviour exposes itself to you for you to learn it. the difference between long press, short press, slide, menu button, etc, is not intuitive with android. [10:08] directhex: in your opinion, not in mine [10:08] my spare desktop left overnight, has 700MB in cache but 500MB of swap in use. is swappiness set too high or too low? [10:10] People rave about how intuitive WebOS is but my girlfriend absolutely hates my pre and can't use it [10:11] Guess it comes down to personal preference [10:11] seems quite simple to any tablet owners i've shown it to [10:12] question: is it possible to create an iso from a virtualbox installation of ubuntu? i.e. to be able to transfer it to another machine. [10:12] oimon, Indeed I really enjoy using webOS (Although I haven't used a touchpad so can't comment on it as a tablet interface) [10:13] nymwar: not an iso as such (well you could write it to an oversize DVD image I guess, but it wouldn't make much sense) [10:13] Ah ok [10:14] nymwar: but you can certainly copy the disk image to another machine, or clone it on the same one [10:14] how would I do that? [10:14] where are virtualbox disk images stored? [10:15] well for me in /home/alan/VirtualBox VMs [10:15] ok thanks [10:16] but if you go to the settings of your VM and the storage tab, click the .vdi file it will tell you the location on the right [10:16] I see [10:17] Just saves me having to do two independent installations on two machines [10:17] morning all [10:17] AlanBell: popey how was happy hour? [10:17] very happy [10:18] happy \o/ [10:19] was it more than an hour? [10:20] :D [10:22] davmor2: It was also referred to as Middle-aged ;-) earlier by some young whipper-snapper [10:22] morning davmor2 [10:23] haha [10:23] morning MooDoo how's life dude [10:23] czajkowski: prod morning [10:23] Anyone know of an easy way to ask LVM how much unallocated space I've got left in human-friendly units? [10:26] BigRedS: tried the GUI? [10:27] nah, but this is for servers [10:27] Laney: it was, we got booted out [10:27] you rowdy yoofs [10:27] I got there at 19:45 and we left at 23:something [10:27] TheOpenSourcerer: Re your tweet a minute ago, I'd say bank charges [10:28] I had a really sketchy climb yesterday [10:28] is there any advantage to riding fixed wheel bikes? i see a lot of hipsters riding them in E1 [10:28] got to the top and my arms were so dead that I actually couldn't hold on at all [10:28] had to jump off [10:28] oimon: not really [10:28] gordonjcp: they look really dangerous - no brakes, just fixed pedal [10:29] and you can't freewheel [10:29] oimon: they're like proper bikes, but worse [10:29] hipster bikes :( [10:29] maintenance [10:30] oimon: they're more fun. [10:30] oimon: It's really hard to explain, but you feel much more connected to the bike, and you've a load more control over the braking [10:30] well, once you get the hang of braking [10:30] well, i had a fixed wheel trike as a 3yr old..it was fun then, but now on the dangerous streets of london? [10:30] the ones without brakes scare me [10:30] * popey hugs BigRedS [10:30] they're awesome in Lonon-style traffic, less so in the countryside. Or where you have to go down hills [10:31] * BigRedS looks bemused [10:31] but hugs back anyway [10:31] i'm not trolling, but i still don't get it [10:31] what is a hipster? [10:31] maybe i just have to try one [10:31] oimon: yeah, you wont. Until you ride one. Then you will [10:31] AlanBell: ever been to shoreditch /bethnal green? [10:31] i know someone who rode a fixie from london to paris [10:31] must be something in it [10:32] well, you might not. But they're a completely ridiculous idea until you've riden one for a few hours [10:32] blokes with skinny jeans, beards, manbags, apple products, drinking trendy coffee, listening to Iron and Wine [10:32] just before they got really fashionable ~6y ago, there was a bit of a trend for using fixed wheel to make already otherwise daft ideas even more stupid [10:32] lots of fixies on the dynamo, at enduro XC events etc. [10:33] I've never been much of a hipster [10:36] I'm a hipster chap [10:36] Now to login to our Accounting/ERP system and see if AlanBell has done his expenses yet... [10:36] I was reading Jerome K Jerome and wearing tweed *before it was cool* [10:37] TheOpenSourcerer: most of them :0 [10:37] AlanBell: You need to spend a bit more on stuff and visiting customers [10:38] TheOpenSourcerer: send him to UDS :P [10:38] yes, still doing mileage entries [10:38] Pendulum: good idea [10:38] * DJones sends TheOpenSourcerer an invoice if he's got too much money [10:38] He doesn't have the time unfortunately Pendulum [10:38] I wouldn't mind giving a fixie a go, to be honest [10:38] DJones: I didn't say *that* [10:38] * oimon likes freewheeling wheeeeeeeeeeeeee! [10:39] TheOpenSourcerer: okay, send him to Orlando to do work remotely with the sun as motivator. And then just happen to make it 31 Oct - 4 Nov :P [10:39] actually, I've got a couple of knackered rear cassettes kicking around in the shed, I could weld up the notchy worn-out freewheel [10:39] gordonjcp: cassettes or freewheels? [10:39] freewheels will undo if you make a fixie, because there's no lockring [10:39] BigRedS: good point [10:40] does anyone know the equivalent 'ssh key password' cacher that you'd use for kde? [10:40] i.e. to prevent having to repeatedly typing in the key when sshing around the place [10:40] BigRedS: I'll dig around in my Great Big Box Of Bits and see if I can't find an old rear whel [10:40] *wheel [10:40] on a per session basis.. [10:40] and just weld up the whole thing [10:40] gordonjcp: I've seen people glue/bolt/weld the frewheel to the hub before, but fixed wheel rear wheels aren't *that* hard to come by [10:41] at least one place does fixie cogs that bolt onto an ISO disc mount if you've anything that modern kicking around [10:41] BigRedS: yeah, but why spend money on it when I can make a ridiculous lashup from shite in my workshop? [10:41] haha, very good point [10:41] I wish I had disc mounts kicking around, none of my bikes have discs [10:41] well, the CB250 does [10:41] gordonjcp, I have Avids and they're horrible [10:41] I'm not fitting those wheels onto my mtb [10:42] though it would be really really funny [10:42] Need to save up for some decent calipers [10:42] there was a (brief) craze of fitting MX forks onto DH bikes [10:42] that was hilarious [10:42] I mostly just ride on flattish road and canal path tracks, fairly quickly [10:42] andylockran: it is called an ssh agent [10:42] for googleness [10:42] I don't do any ridiculous downhill suicide stuff [10:43] I do DH for two weeks a year, and then spend the rest of the year occasionally pootling to the pub [10:43] I spend most of those two weeks sliding on my face... [10:44] heh [10:44] Laney: I checked that.. KWallet can't do it without a little hack [10:45] BigRedS: incidentally I notice that Carolyne now has a number of Pan Euro-related searches in her eBay account... [10:45] fun [10:46] gordonjcp: aha, awesome! [10:46] gordonjcp: can I send her a shopping list of bits for mine? :) [10:47] heh [10:47] so that's a Beetle and a VW Type 2, now a big tourer of some sort [10:48] gordonjcp: I think that should be a GL1100 really. It's more, er, classic :) [10:49] http://chudzikj.republika.pl/HondaGL/1100/Honda-GL1100-1981.jpg [10:49] and I want one :) [10:49] also, more flat-fours [10:54] hullu BigRedS :) [10:58] BigRedS: That is not a motorbike. It's a car without doors, roof and two wheels. [10:59] TheOpenSourcerer: that's what people say about my pan, too :( [11:00] it's like a cross, but it's the worst of both worlds. You can't easily filter through traffic but you still get wet when it rains [11:00] Oh hi christel! [11:00] * TheOpenSourcerer has no idea what a pan is BigRedS [11:00] oh, big touring bike. It's what the police used to ride [11:00] Ah OK. [11:01] Pan is clearly the Greek goat god. [11:01] My last "proper" bike was one of these: http://www.motorbikespecs.net/index.dyn?flag=2&model_id=5840489&make=BSA [11:03] ah yeah, I've a dangerous hankering for that sort of thing [11:03] I also had one of these: http://www.classicbikes.co.uk/machine4.html [11:03] instead I seem to collect bikes that aren't old enough to be of much interest, but old enough to fall apart lots and not have easy-to-find spares [11:04] Fast but didn't go round corners and *drank* fuel. [11:05] Hello. BigRed pointed out not only am I on ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we it's using Google maps, I nearly vomitted! I only use completely free software, nor can I stand Google ... erm, can I be removed from that map? [11:06] I agree that Google is losing its hipster cred [11:06] !flamebait [11:06] !flame [11:06] if you like [11:06] Hm, bot doesn't know those :) [11:06] personally I would rather OSM was up to the job of doing that kind of thing [11:06] Er, no evil here, BEER :D [11:07] AlanBell: If you wouldn't mind, I'd prefer that :-) [11:07] who are you? [11:07] Jonathan Gowar [11:08] nymwar: You've just gained a notch in my cool book ;-D [11:09] For me the Google code search debacle was the last straw [11:09] I was chatting to BigRed about Google this morning too, I've removed them so much from my cyberlife, that they make me cringe when I see they've ANOTHER service to track us by. [11:09] n1md4: do you drive a car or fly by air? [11:09] I'd prefer not to. [11:09] Comment by Jonathan Gowar moved to the trash [11:10] should be gone now n1md4 [11:10] I'm not into warring about personal opinion either ;-> [11:10] Thanks AlanBell. [11:10] I'll ride to work once I get wet weather gear, and no, I don't fly. [11:10] * oimon doesn't fly either, but not for software reasons [11:11] still would rather people say, "hey, you should use this cool OSM plugin which does mapping and actually works" [11:11] You'll know that Google have fallen below the coolbar when they stop doing GSoC [11:11] oimon: you don't trust Boeing software engineers? [11:11] I use Google, when there's nothing else, they're good programmers, I just don't like their model. [11:11] they have just _started_ a new initiative nymwar [11:12] * penguin42 is going to miss google code search [11:12] MartijnVdS: *not* for software reasons [11:12] Canceling code search seems like a big fail to me [11:12] i never used it [11:12] I never use it, and I write code for a living [11:12] oimon: Okay, I'm intriged, why did you ask about transport? [11:12] code search was kinda crap [11:13] popey: It's great - can't figure out how the given function is supposed to be used? Put the function name in and you'll find everyone who uses it [11:13] well no [11:13] you put in the function name and find the code of the library that used it and barely anything else [11:13] n1md4: just wondered, after you volunteered your opinions so vociferously on a service provided by google [11:13] gord: you're obviously searching for the wrong thing :-) [11:14] anything with good documentation gets re-used in other programs, so you don't need code search for that because the documentation is good. anything with bad/no documentation never gets used elsewhere, so you run in to the case above [11:14] oimon: I troll around with a bit stick, I'm harmless ;-) [11:14] :P [11:14] ...pretty sure my car isn't a service provided by Google though. [11:14] :-) [11:14] i'm less grumpy irl :) [11:14] not yet... [11:15] It's a 1973 Beetle, I really doubt it. [11:15] They have been doing stuff with autonomous driving [11:16] .. technically not on the road, but I'd hope the Nissan doesn't have anything. I'd rip it out, should I find out it does. [11:16] the lady from the gnome project at oggcamp gave a talk about getting the source code for her pacemaker-type device [11:16] karen [11:16] yes [11:16] * Daviey wishes irssi had bayesian based /ignore option. [11:17] ..and how you'd be a fool for not taking out the extended insurance; that's pretty crazy stuff. [11:17] * popey tickles Daviey [11:18] * Daviey giggles like a little wee mcgregors [11:28] http://www.guardian.co.uk/government-computing-network/2011/oct/21/government-ict-strategy-implementation-plan?newsfeed=true [11:28] includes some good open source news at the bottom [11:31] I'm intrigued as to what they mean by 'cloud'... [11:33] they mean cheap [11:33] and pay as you go [11:39] yeah, but is there going to be some central government cloud 'provider' or will we again have each department making individual 'deals' with Amazon and Rackspace and the like? [11:39] govt. IT must be big enough to justify the former... [11:40] oimon: Karen who was standing right next to me while popey tried to find me so she could get her bags out of my van [11:41] while I was saying "what the fuck is popey doing at my van?" [11:46] que [11:46] i dont recall this [11:47] popey: how much did you drink man [11:48] puts an interesting spin on waking up to find his phone had been wiped ;) [11:49] * AlanBell has an interview tomorrow for the Olympics transport team [11:49] so you'll enjoy it when I accidentally close the Jubilee line then? [11:50] yeah [11:50]