[00:00] <SamuraiAlba> link?
[00:00] <InHisName> week day ?
[00:00] <JonathanD> http://geeknic.org/?p=159
[00:00] <JonathanD> Saturday.
[00:58] <beta0x64> damn philly
[00:58] <beta0x64> I'm all the way in pittsburgh
[00:58] <JonathanD> better get hiking.
[01:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> heh
[02:58] <InHisName> beta0x64: don't you western'ers have a nice zoo too?
[03:00] <beta0x64> Pfft
[03:00] <beta0x64> yeah
[03:00] <beta0x64> but it's not with a bunch of geeks
[03:00] <beta0x64> well computer geeks
[10:18] <JonathanD> Monring.
[10:37] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:41] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[10:41] <rmg51> 0/
[11:54] <InHisName> morning, gents
[12:03] <JonathanD> yes.
[12:03] <JonathanD> it is
[12:24] <anduril> This coffee needs more cowbell!
[12:48] <JonathanD> Morning.
[15:21] <GeekyAdam> hi all
[15:22] <GeekyAdam> wet outside anywhere else in PA?
[15:22] <anduril> grounds a little damp but not bad
[15:23] <waltman> There were sunny blue skies in Philly this morning
[15:28] <GeekyAdam> pissing here all night and morning
[15:28] <GeekyAdam> (Erie)
[15:41] <waltman> Has it started snowing yet out there? :)
[18:03] <InHisName> quiet day
[18:03] <anduril> everyone gettin their party on early?
[18:04] <MutantTurkey> missed school today, slept till twelve
[18:05] <MutantTurkey> but after making a nice pot of coffee I am feeling productive
[18:28] <MutantTurkey> letting some guy on reddit barrow my mixer... good or bad idea?
[18:28] <MutantTurkey> and should I collect some sort of collatoral?
[18:28] <anduril> I probably would if its something you would like to get back but who knows it cuold go well
[18:30] <MutantTurkey> I mean he needs it for some sort of event tonight
[18:31] <MutantTurkey> I have his number, his friends number, I'll get his license plate when he picks it up
[18:31] <MutantTurkey> worst case scenario I call the police, tell them the specifics and get it back?
[18:33] <JonathanD> Can I borrow a can opener?
[18:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> here's a can opener
[18:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> it uses lasers though
[18:51]  * TheEvilPhoenix hands JonathanD the laser can opener
[18:51] <anduril> do the lasers come with sharks attached?
[18:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> no, but i can make that happen if you want it to ;P
[18:51] <JonathanD> Couldn't you just use the sharks to open the cans?
[18:51] <anduril> TAKE MY MONEY!
[18:51] <MutantTurkey> enough with the austin power references?
[18:51]  * TheEvilPhoenix takes the money and gives anduril nothing in return :P
[18:51] <anduril> hehe you thought I had money
[18:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> and i agree with MutantTurkey
[18:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> hmmm... i wonder if there's any turkey in my fridge... i'm in the mood for a turkey sandwich
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> why is it that my name draws the most amount of jokes?
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> we have ChinnoDog, TheEvilPheonix,  and more
[18:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> MutantTurkey:  if you're going to say my name, spell it right :P
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/TheEvilPheonix/TheEvilPhoenix/
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> my apology
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> you're the 852nd person to make the mistake
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> and the first 851 are people from #defocus :p
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> do we ostracize jedijf for having an affinity towards light sabers? no.
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> do we make fun of jthan for using macs? no
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> um...
[18:54] <anduril> we dont?
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> i might do that....
[18:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> ;P
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> do we make fun of cosmicpizza for his gooey cheese crust?
[18:54] <MutantTurkey> NO
[18:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> but you're a turkey... and you're mutant...
[18:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[18:55] <MutantTurkey> I need more puns
[18:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> indeed you do
[18:55] <MutantTurkey> I can reuse the same ones. oh well
[18:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[18:55] <MutantTurkey> IF YOU DON'T CUT IT OUT I AM GOING COLD TURKEY AND QUITTING THIS CHANNEL
[18:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> you just made fun of yourself, no offense.
[18:56] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: are you coming on the zoo trip?
[18:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> but i will cease to annoy you
[18:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[18:56]  * TheEvilPhoenix goes back to fixing DNS
[18:56]  * MutantTurkey goes back to fixing kickoff
[18:56] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: I'm not sure if they have turkeys.
[18:56] <JonathanD> But they might.
[18:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> can anyone do me a favor and run a DNS lookup for A type records for trekweb.org and www.trekweb.org?
[18:57]  * TheEvilPhoenix is having DNS resolution issues on his end, but the DNS records are clearly out there according to other sites
[18:57]  * TheEvilPhoenix wants to confirm that the IPs the sites point to are the same
[18:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> 'tis my site, btw ;P
[18:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> well
[18:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> one of em
[18:57] <JonathanD> www.trekweb.org.        7200    IN      A       173.236.15.69
[18:58] <JonathanD> for bot
[18:58] <JonathanD> h
[18:58] <MutantTurkey> wwhat s teiweb
[18:58] <MutantTurkey> what is trek web
[18:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> JonathanD:  thanks
[18:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> MutantTurkey:  its an organization i run - provides web services...
[18:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> well it used to
[18:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> right now its running free ZNCs
[18:59] <MutantTurkey> :|
[18:59]  * TheEvilPhoenix had to downgrade what was offered due to cash flow
[18:59] <MutantTurkey> ah
[18:59] <MutantTurkey> who hosts your servers
[18:59] <MutantTurkey> ?
[19:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> atm, they're both VPSes.  i'm trying to find a datacenter that will allow me to colo this dedicated server box i own, but allow me to run IRC services
[19:00] <MutantTurkey> who owns them?
[19:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> Unvanquished Hosting
[19:00] <MutantTurkey> colo?
[19:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> no, VPSes
[19:01] <MutantTurkey> "allow me to colo this dedicated" what is colo?
[19:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> i'm going to switch them to that one dedi box once i get a good DC with the policies i can agree with
[19:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> colocation
[19:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> i.e.
[19:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> i pay a datacenter to have my box hooked up to their networking
[19:01] <MutantTurkey>  oh :o
[19:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> for a fee monthly
[19:01] <MutantTurkey> I use vpsforge
[19:01] <MutantTurkey> quite nice
[19:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> yeah, i need a dedicated server box though
[19:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> one i can actually go to and replace hardware on when it fails
[19:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> and what not
[19:02] <MutantTurkey> why? jw/
[19:02] <MutantTurkey> <being pesky and annoying to avoid work>
[19:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> because if i want to upgrade the RAM on my system
[19:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> i only need to pay for the RAM
[19:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> and not increase my monthly rates ;P
[19:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> in that sense
[19:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> colocation is cheaper in the long run, because with VPSes...
[19:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> its dependent on a ton of other factors
[19:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> and increasing RAM/disk space usually requires you to upgrade a bunch of other features
[19:04] <TheEvilPhoenix> as well as increase the monthly price
[19:05] <MutantTurkey> but if you buy a 4gigs ram for 80 bucks, your monthy won't increase
[19:05] <MutantTurkey> make sense
[19:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> mhm
[19:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> because i own the physical box itself
[19:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> all i have to do is inform the datacenter "I need to gain access to the system to make hardware upgrades."
[19:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> I get access.
[19:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> I upgrade the hardware, boot the box.
[19:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> my monthly fees don't go up because i didnt change my network plan
[19:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> nor did I increase the amount of power i need.
[19:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> ionly upgraded the hardware on the box I already owned
[19:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> so if I have 4GB RAM for my server
[19:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> and I want to upgrade that to 8GB RAM
[19:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> i only pay for the additional 4GB of RAM sticks
[19:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> and i havent increased my actual monthly server costs
[19:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> and when i get pissed at the datacenter, i can always cancel the colocation service...
[19:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> and then set up the thing off of my own internet
[19:11] <JonathanD> With linode...
[19:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> which of course is shitty internet
[19:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> but still the same
[19:12] <JonathanD> they somewhat randomly give you more stuff for free
[19:12] <JonathanD> like "oh hey, reboot, and you'll have 25% more ram. Have a nice day"
[19:12] <JonathanD> Which annoys me, actually
[19:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> yep
[19:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> JonathanD:  you want to upgrade *only* when you need it, right?
[19:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> without unexpected reboots
[19:12] <JonathanD> Because then I get in a months-long debate...
[19:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> hehe
[19:13] <JonathanD> should I reboot now, and have my irssi get messed up?
[19:13] <JonathanD> or should I wait...
[19:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> indeed.
[19:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> with a dedicated server box
[19:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> and with me owning the actual box
[19:13] <JonathanD> TheEvilPhoenix: I'm not really complaining :p
[19:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> i eradicate the need for that restart issue
[19:13] <JonathanD> I just hate losing my window orders.
[19:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> because i update/upgrade/restart if/when i feel like it xD
[19:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> JonathanD:  indeed
[19:14] <JonathanD> TheEvilPhoenix: really, though, you'll just put off the upgrade until you feel like it :p
[19:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> but i'm using your statements as a jumping off point for "Why Owning A Server Box Yourself and Colocating It at a datacenter is good"
[19:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> JonathanD:  or until its necessary
[19:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> JonathanD:  i actually have a cron script that runs every other day that runs security upgrades with apt-get ;P
[19:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> and it forces the updates ;P
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> I don't know why you'd need 8gigs of ram on a server unless you are doing alot of processing
[19:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> i.e. 4 minecraft servers?  ;P
[19:16] <JonathanD> My linodes are under 1GB
[19:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> minecraft takes up 2GB per instance :/
[19:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> or at least 1GB per instance
[19:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> :/
[19:17] <JonathanD> TheEvilPhoenix: one interesting thing about linode
[19:17] <JonathanD> they pool resources.
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> minecraft servers....
[19:17] <JonathanD> So if I buy two linodes, I can distribute disk between them as I see fit.
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: my VPS is interesting similarly
[19:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> JonathanD:  indeed.
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> i have 512mb of ram, but I can get 1gb "burstable" ram
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> if i really need more it will allocate more
[19:18] <JonathanD> TheEvilPhoenix: and they do let you buy ram piecemeal.
[19:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> my dedicated box is a 36GB HW RAID5 though
[19:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> JonathanD:  but that's Linode
[19:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> :/
[19:18] <JonathanD> TheEvilPhoenix: yeah.
[19:18]  * TheEvilPhoenix is kinda sick of VPSes anyways
[19:18] <JonathanD> I like linode.
[19:19] <JonathanD> Everything else I run at home.
[19:19] <JonathanD> and I have linod eand a 1and1 shared account.
[19:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> i've got a micro server farm back at home in pittsburgh
[19:19] <JonathanD> TheEvilPhoenix: you seen mine?
[19:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> its comprised of old systems that i converted into Windows / Linux(multi-distro) servers
[19:19] <JonathanD> http://jdsnetwork.com/images/100_2770.JPG
[19:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> Verizon said "WTFH you'ire using up half our hub's bandwidth!"
[19:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> I said "I dont care, i PAY for that bandwidth anyways!"
[19:20] <MutantTurkey> TheEvilPhoenix: and you said good....
[19:20] <anduril> I dont even wanna know how much power you're burning for that JonathanD
[19:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> MutantTurkey:  that's not where I colo the box ;P
[19:20] <JonathanD> anduril: they're not always on :)
[19:20] <JonathanD> anduril: they run ESXi, and when I'm not pushing them hard everything runs on one box.
[19:21] <JonathanD> When I am, things move.
[19:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> holy hell dude that's a ton of power o.O
[19:21] <JonathanD> takes a lot to run a holodeck.
[19:21] <MutantTurkey> a buddy of mine has a giant opteron cluster, his power bill spikes during rebuilds a few hundred dollars
[19:21] <MutantTurkey> so when he says "donations appreciated" he really means it.
[19:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> heh
[19:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> JonathanD:  indeed it does.  Not to mention you need 50 trillion gigaquads of data in order to save the holodeck program databases :P
[19:22]  * TheEvilPhoenix watches too much Star Trek on Netflix :/
[19:22] <JonathanD> indeed.
[19:23] <MutantTurkey> 12 parsecs?
[19:24] <InHisName> OK, now you all get REAL noisy.
[19:24] <JonathanD> NOISE
[19:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSEEEEEEE
[19:24] <TheEvilPhoenix> yes, i know, i'm an ass :P
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> actually you're a phoenix
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> :x
[19:37] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[19:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> oh good... stickychan works :P
[19:53]  * TheEvilPhoenix is now stuck here ;P
[20:18] <rmg51> I just know I'm going to hate myself in the morning :P
[20:18] <rmg51> and so will Teddy
[20:18] <rmg51> it's time to upgrade his laptop :-/:P
[20:23] <jedijf> rmg51: what are the plans?
[20:24] <rmg51> upgrade, then install xfce
[20:24] <rmg51> maybe gnome3
[20:25] <rmg51> then spend the next couple hours setting everything up the way I want it :P
[21:24] <InHisName> Got my wireless N working.  Messed with extender, a bit fussy and I may not really need it anyway.   TouchPad is pretty nifty so far.  Found some Bible software.  Not e-Sword but it'll have to do.
[21:48] <MutantTurkey> spent all day attempting to fix one bug. still not fixed. stabbing my own eyes out :|