[01:19] <binarymutant> "/rescue" <-- NEAT
[01:19] <binarymutant> http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tree/2011-10-20.freebsds-rescue-directory-and-system-recovery.html
[01:23] <wrst> binarymutant: that is very cool
[02:13] <vychune> o/
[02:13] <vychune> hello for the nineteenth time today
[02:13] <vychune> first a bad connection then winblows crashes
[02:13] <Unit193> Howdy, I see you did some disco dancing
[02:15] <vychune> ?
[02:16] <Unit193> Disconnect Dancing
[02:16] <binarymutant> rofl
[02:18] <vychune> ROTFL
[02:19] <vychune> i needed that laugh
[02:19] <vychune> world series is getting tight and i cant watch it\
[02:19] <vychune> kids are over so nothing but kids channels allowed
[02:20] <vychune> -
[02:20] <vychune> -_-
[02:20] <vychune> binarymutant: how you doing?
[02:22] <binarymutant> doing good
[02:22] <binarymutant> chilling
[02:23] <binarymutant> how about you vychune ?
[02:24] <vychune> great cards are winning
[02:25] <binarymutant> baseball? not much of a sports fan
[02:25] <binarymutant> <-- standard nerd
[02:27] <vychune> LOL
[02:27] <vychune> dungens and dragons?
[02:27] <vychune> lol
[02:28] <binarymutant> m:tg :{
[02:28] <binarymutant> :P
[02:29] <vychune> lol
[02:30] <binarymutant> d&d is too much work, lazy standard nerd
[02:31] <vychune> lol
[02:31] <binarymutant> vychune: how can you take that sport seriously? With the strikes, steroids, and low seat counts...
[02:31] <vychune> iROTFL
[02:32] <vychune> memphis redbirds=stl cards
[02:32] <vychune> thats how
[02:32] <binarymutant> lost me :/
[02:33] <vychune> and it's the only big sport that didnt riot this year
[02:33] <binarymutant> soccer didn't :P
[02:35] <vychune> the memphis redbirds baseball team here is  the proving grounds for the Cards
[02:35] <vychune> and neither did hockey
[02:35] <vychune> WHO CARES
[02:35] <binarymutant> golf didn't :D
[02:35] <vychune> lol
[02:35] <vychune> two words
[02:35] <binarymutant> althought I might watch golf if they did
[02:35] <vychune> tiger woods
[02:35] <vychune> lol
[02:36] <vychune> he need jesus
[02:36] <binarymutant> barry bonds needs jesus :P :P :P
[02:36] <vychune> LOL
[02:36] <vychune> .mike vick need jesus
[02:36] <vychune> lol
[02:36] <binarymutant> lol brb
[02:37] <vychune> and all three are black lol
[02:37] <vychune> ok
[02:45] <binarymutant> ouch
[02:46] <binarymutant> the white sports player needs jesus
[02:46] <vychune> a rod lol
[02:46] <binarymutant> mike vick? is that the pitbull guy?
[02:46] <vychune> yes
[02:47] <binarymutant> rofl sports players can get away with everything and still be able to play
[02:47] <binarymutant> it's horrible
[02:47] <vychune> yea
[02:48] <vychune> but in that case.....
[02:48] <vychune> 10 years for some dogs?! and he wasnt at home?
[02:48] <binarymutant> I saw a utk footballer beat down a cop on the strip, run from 20 cops, and prolly got away with it
[02:48] <vychune> wth?
[02:49] <vychune> HE DID WHAT!?!?!?!
[02:49] <binarymutant> true story ^^
[02:49] <vychune> smh
[02:49] <binarymutant> that was a crazy night. The entire kpd was on the strip
[02:50] <vychune> k'ville?
[02:50] <vychune> cool
[02:50] <binarymutant> ya
[02:50] <binarymutant> Occupy Sports Teams  (tm)
[02:51] <vychune> you going to the Ubuntu realease party?
[02:51] <vychune> LOL!!!!
[02:51] <binarymutant> can't make it to Nashville
[02:52] <binarymutant> maybe next year though, idk
[02:52] <binarymutant> it would be nice to do something online for it though, my participation has severly dropped in Ubuntu
[02:52] <binarymutant> karma: 0
[02:53] <vychune> my ubuntu drive has a burnt chip
[02:53] <binarymutant> brb fps time
[02:54] <vychune> k
[02:59] <vychune> Unit193: whered you run off to?
[02:59] <Unit193> Stupid wiki editing...
[02:59] <Unit193> And a PM
[03:02] <vychune> oh
[03:03] <Unit193> I took a shower at some point too, but I think that was before
[03:07] <vychune> lol ok
[03:07] <vychune> tmi
[03:12] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: pong
[03:12] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: i'm afraid i forget the reason for my original ping
[03:14] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: long pause in the middle, but before that we were talking about my habit of calling you pace_t_zulu still
[03:14] <cyberanger> so unless that's it, idk
[03:15] <johnhaitas> hmm
[03:15] <johnhaitas> what wiki package are you partial to
[03:15] <johnhaitas> if you have a favorite
[03:16] <johnhaitas> ohhh
[03:16] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: i see you're no longer in #tn-lug
[03:21] <binarymutant> mediawiki ftw
[03:21] <binarymutant> get tip though
[03:23] <johnhaitas> get tip?
[03:23] <vychune> lug?
[03:23] <johnhaitas> binarymutant:
[03:23] <vychune> johnhaitas: jug?
[03:23] <binarymutant> johnhaitas: head/tip whichever vcs slang you use
[03:23] <vychune> *lug
[03:23] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: head
[03:23] <binarymutant> git user ^
[03:23] <binarymutant> < hg user
[03:28] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: wikkawiki
[03:28] <cyberanger> and yeah, wasn't in my rejoin list (fixing as I notice, thanks for point out
[03:28] <cyberanger> adding now)
[03:29] <binarymutant> it's just you two in there though...
[03:30] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: haha
[03:33] <cyberanger> binarymutant: three's a crowd (just ask the last mutant I kicked outta there ;-))
[03:34] <binarymutant> cyberanger: do you know if the wikkawiki format different than mediawiki?
[03:36] <cyberanger> binarymutant: simple, I never learned the mediawiki format so I'd never know
[03:37] <binarymutant> oh
[03:37] <cyberanger> at least, never learned it that well
[03:37] <binarymutant> I like that I can export wikipedia stuff and put it on my own wiki for offline use
[03:37] <vychune> i tired to op myself lol
[03:37] <vychune> *tried
[03:38] <vychune> binarymutant:  wait you can do that?
[03:38] <vychune> cool
[03:39] <binarymutant> vychune: wikipedia uses mediawiki. I think that wikipedia is the mediawiki dev team, not sure though
[03:39] <vychune> oh ok
[03:40] <cyberanger> binarymutant: kinda pointless for me, wikipedia is very cache friendly, so it's always in offline use
[03:41] <cyberanger> (I've tweaked squid a ton to add back some offline support)
[03:41] <binarymutant> cyberanger: how big do you keep your cache?
[03:41] <binarymutant> that's pretty smart idea, never thought of that
[03:47] <cyberanger> uh, put it this way, squid has never used more than 60 some gigs, despite allowing 150GB or more
[03:47] <vychune> how do you make sure the wiki entries stay there?
[03:47] <binarymutant> !!
[03:48] <vychune> whoa
[03:48] <binarymutant> cyberanger: 1Tb?
[03:48] <cyberanger> binarymutant: no, 250GB
[03:48] <binarymutant> ah
[03:48] <cyberanger> vychune: not really a way, it's just a long list of tweaks that minimize it
[03:48] <binarymutant> \me struggling to make space as we speek
[03:48] <binarymutant> speak*
[03:49] <cyberanger> I can wget it & stick it on a local apache server as static content too (done that for some more stubborn stuff)
[03:49] <cyberanger> vychune: it's never been an issue
[03:51] <vychune> cool
[04:03] <binarymutant> !! This is dedication... http://cdn3.benjaminkerensa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/6254669911_23f149f6bd_z.jpg
[04:04] <binarymutant> someone should have told him that it's a derivative...
[04:07] <vychune> awesome
[04:07] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: why wikkawiki over mediawiki?
[04:09] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: I know a developer or two more personally
[04:10] <johnhaitas> cyberanger: anything beyond personal sentiment?
[04:10] <cyberanger> and more expirence setting it up & running it
[04:10] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: is that your tat?
[04:10] <binarymutant> uh no
[04:10] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: good
[04:10] <johnhaitas> binarymutant: i nearly lost a lot of respect for you
[04:10] <johnhaitas> not for having a tat
[04:10] <johnhaitas> but having such a stupid one
[04:10] <binarymutant> not that crazy
[04:11] <cyberanger> johnhaitas: I've dealt with it via http://wiki.opennicproject.org so it's really not that personal
[04:11] <cyberanger> it's just what got in my hands quicker, with best results
[04:12] <vychune> snh
[04:12] <vychune> smh even
[04:13] <binarymutant> is opennic for bad/evil ISPs?
[04:13] <binarymutant> pretty cool project
[04:14] <cyberanger> binarymutant: define bad/evil ISPs
[04:14] <cyberanger> and um, no relation to ISP's in general (it's in reguards to DNS)
[04:14] <binarymutant> censorship happy
[04:15] <binarymutant> cyberanger: have you seen namecoin yet?
[04:15] <cyberanger> ah, well, we're uh, looking down that road further & further lately, (by we I might mean me, but there were more involved a few months ago, due to the great firewall of australia)
[04:16] <cyberanger> some sucesses actuall
[04:16] <cyberanger> actually
[04:17] <binarymutant> ^^ thats cool
[04:20] <binarymutant> opennic is a good idea, but it's still centralized. We (as in everyone) should be pushing more towards distributed dns instead
[04:25] <cyberanger> binarymutant: it's as centralized as jabber, it's good (sure, not full blown p2p, but that's a goal)
[04:27] <binarymutant> I mean I applaud the idea, but just think "full blown p2p" should be how it was written from the start instead of a far off goal
[04:31] <cyberanger> from the start, early 80's, when both security & censorship were well outside the mindset (well, todays version of security & censorship)
[04:31] <cyberanger> I think it works, DNS in current forum isn't the issue, it's meddling in DNS that's the real issue
[04:48] <binarymutant> nah (to me) centralization is the issue. OpenNic could become the next ICANN
[04:48] <binarymutant> 80s?
[04:49] <binarymutant> 2000 http://www.opennicproject.org/en/faq/31-general/63-how-did-the-opennic-get-its-start
[04:53] <cyberanger> binarymutant: 80's is the DNS model as it stands today, back to square one
[04:53] <binarymutant> ah
[04:53] <cyberanger> like I said, a goal a WIP, but we've worked out what works now too
[04:54] <cyberanger> if p2p takes off, great, but atm, where's it setup
[04:54] <cyberanger> which of a dozen projects to back
[04:54] <binarymutant> not really anywhere afaik
[04:57] <cyberanger> sorta the issue, nothing mainstream
[04:58] <binarymutant> true. But as long as opennic is centralized I see a major bug in how it works. What stops it from becoming ICANNized?
[05:04] <cyberanger> where is it centralized
[05:04] <cyberanger> just like where is jabber centralized
[05:05] <cyberanger> oh, a policy standpoint compared to ICANN, we're an equal democracy, every member a vote
[05:05] <cyberanger> compare that to ICANN
[05:05] <binarymutant> at the register
[05:06] <binarymutant> just like icann
[05:07] <binarymutant> and every member could vote to do something "bad" as well (problem with democracy). Better to setup a system that doesn't require votes
[05:09] <cyberanger> well, part of the issue is policy, part technonology
[05:10] <binarymutant> dns.opennic.glue  <-- central point
[05:10] <cyberanger> no policy, no collision avoidance, no tech (or poor tech) and invalid answers are a reisk (read MITM)
[05:11] <binarymutant> not for distributed ^
[05:11] <binarymutant> because your not getting your packets from just one place
[05:11] <cyberanger> binarymutant: on what server, it's just like jabber, block one server merely deprives the network of a server
[05:12] <cyberanger> binarymutant: well, if I went lower level, swapped all incoming data for my result, it's still a MITM on one chater wire in
[05:12] <binarymutant> I'm not sure all the details with opennic, but afaik you have to register your domain with them
[05:12] <binarymutant> just like with icann
[05:12] <cyberanger> ok, we both want binarymutant.us, who get's it?
[05:13] <cyberanger> we both have our distrubited systems set to take it
[05:13] <binarymutant> whoever registers it first according to icann and opennic
[05:13] <binarymutant> cyberanger: with distributive systems it's complicated. Both of us could have it
[05:13] <binarymutant> and you don't have a binarymutant.whatever you have a long long string
[05:14] <cyberanger> like I said, lacks collision avoidance
[05:14] <binarymutant> very complicated (which is distributive's problem)
[05:14] <cyberanger> a long long string nobody will use
[05:14] <cyberanger> exactly
[05:15] <cyberanger> there has to be a multipronged solution to this, tech & policy, including a policy of what's not acceptable (opennic's case, meddling with data, ICANN's case, a mere federation, where Verisign can screw with it as it sees fit)
[05:16] <binarymutant> with the long string in distributive dns's case the browser could support in a way that the "domain" is no longer needed
[05:17] <binarymutant> for example GETing the <title> of the page per every token and displaying that in bookmarks, or something along those lines.
[05:20] <cyberanger> so I have a long pain in the ... string on a business card for my website cyberanger@annoyinglylongandpointlessrandomstringinsteadofashortdomainlikegmail.com
[05:20] <binarymutant> idk DNS is very complicated. Both have paradigms have their flaws that need to be worked around. I just think that if people truely want a way to get around censorship distributed will be the only way
[05:21] <binarymutant> no, it's like a bitcoin, you have to harvest the name tokens
[05:21] <cyberanger> yes, and I don't disagree with you there, but you mistake distributed for decentralized, and both for p2p, dropping the client server model
[05:21] <cyberanger> it won't catch on, for some reasons bitcoin can't catch on
[05:22] <binarymutant> if browsers were to support it better it could**
[05:22] <binarymutant> only time will tell :D
[05:22] <cyberanger> an email client isn't a browser
[05:22] <cyberanger> an IRC client isn't a browser
[05:22] <binarymutant> I'm talking strictly http right now
[05:22] <cyberanger> ever thought what those bitcoins are generating, cryptic data
[05:23] <binarymutant> yes. ^
[05:23] <binarymutant> that's why it's +1
[05:23] <cyberanger> replacing dns with http, involving really random strings, like an IP number
[05:23] <cyberanger> binarymutant: ever thought about what that data is, if it's really random
[05:24] <binarymutant> I'm not following :/
[05:24] <cyberanger> vs an effort by the NSA/GCHQ/FSB/MSS/Mossad so on for cluster computing, brute forcing
[05:25] <cyberanger> it's selling GPU cycles, who's saying how much a bitcoin is worth
[05:26] <binarymutant> ...complicated thoughts hurt brain
[05:26] <cyberanger> who's controlling bitcoin
[05:27] <binarymutant> no one...
[05:27] <cyberanger> really, then who's Satoshi Nakamoto
[05:27] <binarymutant> the dev
[05:29] <cyberanger> one dev, your positive
[05:30] <binarymutant> the original dev I think
[05:30] <binarymutant> not sure where your going with this...
[05:31] <cyberanger> it's an alias
[05:32] <cyberanger> it's an alias
[05:33] <binarymutant> so is cyberanger ... it doesn't matter if it's alias to me
[05:33] <binarymutant> it is floss https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
[05:33] <cyberanger> and bitcoin looks like it could be a cluster computer, meant for cryptnalsys
[05:34] <cyberanger> Cryptanalysis for who, well, why pick & choose
[05:35] <cyberanger> it looks like an attempt to weaken cryptographic ciphers
[05:36] <binarymutant> uhh where do you see this?
[05:40] <cyberanger> there is similarities in function to this and an md5 collision attack, ULTRA in WWII as well
[05:41] <binarymutant> I don't see it, but I prolly wouldn't though
[05:41] <cyberanger> I'm not stating it as fact, it's a suspicion, but it's alot of suspicion, for a finanicial network, I'd be wanting more
[05:42] <cyberanger> I mean, hunches here, similar output (not even saying it's bitcoins design, merely a tool in the workshop, like aircrack-ng is only a peice of breaking wep)
[05:43] <binarymutant> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/README
[05:45] <binarymutant> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths  good one too
[05:50] <cyberanger> seen both before
[05:54] <binarymutant> because it's floss it's been peer reviewed by a lot of ppl, I trust their judgement. I don't think it's a malicious program at all
[15:09] <wrst> this is interesting: http://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu/ubuntu-1204-to-feature-extended-support-period-for-desktop-users/10150335032536546
[15:52] <cyberanger> binarymutant: it's only reviewing that code (and I'm not saying bitcoin is hiding code, just that somebody went to a lot of trouble to setup that alias, and then drops off, his dream wasn't complete, why drop off)
[16:03] <Unit193> wrst: Yep, here's something too https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-October/034275.html
[16:10] <cyberanger> Unit193: the guy got the codename wrong again, we both know it's pink panther or puffy penguin (puffy due to bloat)
[16:11] <cyberanger> it will be intresting to see where that goes
[16:14] <Unit193> Read again, I don't think it's a guy
[16:16] <cyberanger> I meant it generically, she's a coder, a sysadmin, one of the guys
[16:16] <cyberanger> but uh, yeah, your right
[16:17] <cyberanger> she got the codename wrong again, we both know it's pink panther or puffy penguin (puffy due to bloat)
[16:20] <cyberanger> Unit193: ^^^^
[16:21] <Unit193> Yep, and I wonder if they talked to the flavors...
[16:27] <cyberanger> welll....
[16:27]  * cyberanger bites his tounge
[16:47] <Unit193> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/10/21/ubuntu-12-04-to-feature-extended-support-period-for-desktop-users/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ubuntu-news+%28Ubuntu+News%29
[16:48] <cyberanger> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/10/21/ubuntu-12-04-to-feature-extended-support-period-for-desktop-users/
[16:48] <cyberanger> cleaned link
[17:03] <Unit193> Yep
[17:49] <binarymutant> cyberanger: an alias doesn't automatically mean malicious. We use aliases and a lot of initial devs will release code to the public and have the community control the rest of the development.
[18:04] <cyberanger> binarymutant: agreed, but the extent of questions I see in the overall picture, leaves me to wonder on this one
[18:14] <electricus> wow guys..i'm so proud of myself.. i migrated my first real production mail server to a kvm guest
[18:15] <electricus> what a job that was.. i think i did attempted it 10x before I got it (not so proud of that part)
[18:15] <Unit193> Congrats! (They are still in a battle over Bitcoin)
[18:15] <electricus> i'm still a little sleepy from several all nighters trying to do it
[18:16] <Unit193> I've only VM'd an XP laptop before :/
[18:16] <electricus> and cyberanger is the most awesome dude around!  he taught me some very important tools in linux.. like rsync :-)
[18:21] <cyberanger> Unit193: yeah, that won't end soon I bet either
[18:25] <cyberanger> electricus: yeah, that kind of burn out is killer
[18:25] <electricus> it's quite a learning experience, but very high stress (for me anyway)
[18:26] <electricus> now that i know all the little nuances and 'tricks' i can do it without too much truoble now..
[18:26] <electricus> but all that trial-and-error is no fun
[18:27] <electricus> and all the panics..like "oh crap i just rsynced all the apache mods from centos5.2 to a 5.7!!"
[18:27] <cyberanger> wb binarymutant
[18:27] <electricus> rip out/reinstall pray
[18:28] <cyberanger> electricus: didn't hear about that one, yeah, something with practice
[18:28] <electricus> oh..i won't bore you too much lol.. but it was crazy
[18:29] <electricus> i still have a little massaging to do to that machine.. like ensuring services start in the init process and in the right order.. right now after a reboot, i have to manually restart some services in a certain order
[18:29] <electricus> more research...ughh
[18:30] <cyberanger> I think migrations is one of those things where practice merely takes the edge off, something in the nature of migrations, you can get used to them, but never quite get comfortable
[18:30] <electricus> can you just simply rename the S##service in the rc3.d dir?
[18:31] <electricus> to make them start in the order you want?
[18:41] <johnhaitas> hey ubotuTN ... welcome back
[19:16] <binarymutant> gaaah stop reconnecting
[19:16] <Unit193> Stay disconnected?
[19:17] <binarymutant> did that for a couple years already, no fun.
[19:17] <binarymutant> how about stay connected :D
[19:18] <Unit193> ^^
[20:49] <cyberanger> binarymutant: years?
[20:49]  * cyberanger didn't notice
[21:03] <binarymutant> :P
[21:04] <Unit193> Well, in a way I noticed when I first got here...
[21:07] <cyberanger> oops, I meant I didn't realize how long (man time really flies eh)
[22:57] <johnhaitas> gross
[23:07] <Unit193> You split off all by yourself
[23:16] <binarymutant> hey we made the news again: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111020/11465616440/tsa-decides-terrorists-must-be-driving-partners-with-tenn-law-enforcement-to-randomly-search-vehicles.shtml
[23:53] <vychune> o/
[23:59] <vychune> ping xpistos
[23:59] <vychune> ^accident