[00:08] hi guys, just switched from regular ubuntu and have a question, how can you set an external display to extended desktop instead of mirroring? any help appreciated, it seems its not as easy as ubuntu to just google and find an answer [00:09] franklet: have a look at arandr [00:09] !info arandr [00:09] arandr (source: arandr): Simple visual front end for XRandR. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.4-1 (oneiric), package size 48 kB, installed size 376 kB [00:09] !xrandr [00:09] XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [00:09] thanks [00:17] oh sweet can you also use this to set a custom resolution on the external? === attar` is now known as attar [01:11] Xubuntu is w/o Unity, right? [01:12] <|Slacker|> yep [01:12] ok, then I like it already [01:13] thanks! I'll go get it [01:49] NICE ! and there is lots of people in here.. I found my alternative to unity! I really like this desktop. I always get rid of bottom pannel in ubuntu gnome 2 and add docky and looks like you guys have this set up much like I customize my ubuntu to always look! [01:50] It is pretty nice I would agree [01:51] will I be able to install my proprietary ati driver ? radeon hd 2600 xt ? [01:52] There's probably a work around for it...not one I know but I'm sure you can search the ubuntu forums for an answer [01:53] well install just finish and it is ready to restart so I guess I will find out in a few :) [01:53] when i ran the "additional drivers" the ati driver popped up right away. [01:53] attar, Awesome! [01:54] with that and wine 1.3.3 I should have my WOW game up and running pretty quick too then === Pici is now known as Guest59733 [01:56] i was hesitant to install 11.10 but actually it couldn't have gone smoother === Guest59733 is now known as Pici [02:04] running real smooth so far but I have two options for the ati driver both are smae except one says (post-release updates) at the end. should I use that one? [02:05] fwiw, i tried the post-release version first and it gave an error but the other worked fine. [02:06] ill use the other one then [02:12] i can't seem to create an xorg.conf file, any suggestions? [02:12] Hey everyone [02:12] hi [02:13] franklet: are you using sudo? [02:13] !sudo [02:13] sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [02:13] yes [02:13] sudo Xorg -configure [02:14] it'll save the file in the directory you are in [02:14] check your home dir [02:14] i get an error says "fatal server error" [02:15] you have to not have X running to do it [02:16] oh, whats the command to stop x running? and if x manages windows will it affect the gui? [02:16] if you kill X all the apps with windows open close [02:17] why do you think you need an xorg.conf file? [02:17] i want to set a resolution that isn't currently available [02:17] you can set that in one of the files in xorg.conf.d [02:17] my external monitor is 1920x1080 but I want to run it at 1280x720 [02:18] 10-monitor.conf or something [02:18] oh, thanks! [02:18] Is there a way I can check my d3d in terminal? I just installed the proprietary ati driver [02:20] probably but I don't use the proprietry drivers [02:20] !ati [02:20] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [02:22] is ubottu a person or automated response? [02:22] !bot [02:22] Hi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [02:23] !messagethebot | it you want to practise [02:23] it you want to practise: Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". [02:24] http://pastebin.com/9iWGN6BZ [02:24] dose this look right? [02:26] it says direct rendering yes so it should be fine [02:27] good ! http://pastebin.com/7T1Uyfe9 this was glxgears output [02:28] glxgears isn't a benchmark - it changes if you make the window larger or change desktops [02:28] im still kinda new to linux so I am just trying to be sure this is all running stable [02:29] so i dont seem to have any conf file in xorg.conf.d to do with my monitor, just trackpoint, mouse, wacom (which i assume is the tablet thing) [02:31] !xrandr [02:31] XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [02:35] man I am super impressed with xubuntu over ubuntu! I think I may like this even more than the old gnome 2. [02:36] reminds of osx with the dick [02:36] dock* [02:37] l [02:39] lol well i read that osx got there look from linux but I dont always believe everything I read. I guess osx and linux are close in code and some what more compatable then microsoft right? [02:40] i guess so, osx doesn't play nice with others tho [02:44] Ive tinkered with linux for a couple years or since ubuntu 7.04 off and on mostly on laptop but I finally ditched microsoft about 2 months ago and am determined not to go back. im just trying to find the right flavor linux for me and I may have hit the jackpot tonight with this one [02:45] nice, what other ones have you tried? i think i'm still looking for one i like ive only tried ubuntu with gnome and kde and then salix and now this [02:45] I found a program called mangler that completely replaces ventrillo for me and my wow seems to run better in whine then windows [02:46] fedora has a new distro called fuduntu but I did not spend a lot of time with it and I tried open suse once but came back to ubuntu [02:47] oh and I tried debian sqeeze but had hardware issues [02:48] and KDE just has way too much bells and whistles for me and reminds me more of windows then linux [02:50] i think KDE is trying to compete with a windows 7 f antsy look but maybe I am wrong . I like simple and easy quick and customizable like gnome 2 or now xfce [02:51] I dont like a desktop that makes you jump through to many hoops to find what your looking for [02:51] ya i liked gnome 2, the only reason i decided to give xubuntu a shot was because when i got rid of gnome 3 i must have corrupted something cause it got stuck part way through booting [02:52] ya i agree, simple is nice [02:52] just installed xubuntu and I like my gnome 2 functionality back but i can't disable touchpad clicking. how do i do this? I installed gsynaptics but can't find it or figure out how to do what I need to. [02:52] the menu in ubuntu exists but not in xfce :/ [02:53] even right now im frustrated with xubuntu, my bluetooth mouse wont sync even though it says it's synced and i was about to say the exact same thing about the touchpad [02:53] so annoying [02:53] yes very annoying google wasn't much help [02:53] got a lot of info about older versions of xubuntu [02:54] well whats funny is I have ubuntu 10.04 on laptop now and I installed docky and set it up with one button drop down for menu and when I ran live cd of xubuntu on desktop next to my laptop they are set up identical to each other so the look i was trying to achieve in ubuntu is default in xubuntu lol [02:55] haha [02:56] what is the default dock in xubunt ? [02:57] no clue [02:57] i'm gonna put ubuntu back on, too many exams now, no time to tinker. take care [02:58] it dose not seem as customizable as docky but maybe I am not finding the right settings for it [03:00] the dock definitely sucks. you can't even drag shortcuts to it... [03:00] but it seems to work. I've replicated gnome 2 interface with compiz very nicely [03:01] docky has been my favorite so far. wonder how hard it would be to replace the default one with docky? [03:02] just remove the default one and set docky in the startup apps would be my guess [03:02] sounds simple [03:02] yeah I think i will do that [03:02] it's for my mom so I won't be exploring that option. but I will be using this myself. Honestly Ubuntu made a huge mistake with new interface [03:02] gnome 3 is crap also for that matter [03:03] I absolutely agree! gnome 3 is bad and unity is horrible ! [03:03] yup [03:04] i just hope they figure it out sooner than later [03:04] i'd hate to see a bunch of people jump ship on that account [03:04] i'm just glad I can replicate look and feel on xubuntu [03:04] i have compiz set to expo out on left click on left side of screen [03:05] without that I can't use my pc anymore and my mom is the same now. [03:05] if not for fact they took gnome 2 out of 11.10 completely i would have stayed but they took the option out and made it difficult to get back to gnome 2 and I tried many times to make myself like unity or gnome 3 but it is not for me [03:06] agreed [03:06] the crappy gnome replacement doesn't do anything. tried it and it isn't compiz or anything [03:06] maybe it was a good thing . I found xubuntu and am very impressed [03:07] yeah i think they broke compiz [03:07] I'm not impressed with customization in settings menu. ie no backup or things like that [03:07] i have compiz working fine after i installed it [03:07] they just don't have it easily installable and set as default [03:07] pity [03:08] theme is ok but not very nice [03:09] I used compiz for a while for all the fun effects but the only thing I think I would like to bring from unity to this is the split windows [03:09] split windows? [03:10] you grab a window and throw it to one side and it splits to half the window and you can do the same with another window on the other side [03:10] oh compiz does that now [03:10] when i installed it it is set up that way by default [03:11] it dose ? awesome. I like being able to drag a window to the top and it automatically becomes full screen and to drag it away from top it goes back to nrmal size [03:11] plus like i said setting the zoom out of expo to left clicking on left of the screen is amazingly helpful. makes multitasking amazingly smooth especially on a laptop [03:11] yeah works like a charm [03:12] also double clicking top bar does the same thing now [03:12] how did you install compiz? [03:12] https://plus.google.com/101839830409692150605/posts/9mRyYqdnPj5 [03:12] do you live int the US ? [03:13] yes [03:13] Oregon. [03:13] missouri ? [03:13] oh ok [03:13] lol [03:13] I got a buddy name tim who has bday of 7-7-77 just making sure you was not him [03:14] I think his wife is from oregon lol [03:15] lol [03:15] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10202011-081416pm.php [03:16] that's how i have the desktop set up [03:16] that's a good birthdate [03:16] i was born in 86 though [03:17] yeah I got him into ubuntu a year ago. and seen your 777 at the end of you name is why I had to ask lol [03:17] ah makes sense. what a coincidence. well good talking to you. my email is richard [ at ] thecornbread.com if you ever wanna talk linux [03:18] i was born 77 [03:18] cool thanks [03:18] np ttyl [03:47] What's the equivalent, in Xfce, of "gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme Emacs"? [03:48] Now that I've switched, I keep closing windows when all I want to do is delete the previous word in what I'm typing. :-( [03:50] cjs, xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/KeyThemeName -s Emacs [03:50] cjs, http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=4731 [03:54] what's the differenc between a xfc4 and a xubuntu login? [03:55] gusnan: Thanks! [03:56] w30: The background picture and the colours, as far as I can tell. [03:58] cjs, that's all I see also, ha [03:59] w30: I tried to figure out the other day how it even figures out which session you chose when you logged in, but I can't. The same startup script is run with the same parameters. [04:01] cjs, xfc4 has a mouse on the screen and in your hand I guess? *smile* [05:09] if you load xfce-session on first login, it gives you default xfce settings, if you login to xubuntu-session, xubuntu defaults [05:09] if you mix between sessions, weird stuff [05:14] How can I give several users r/w access to USB storage devices such as Flash sticks, MP3 players and cameras? Is there a group they need to belong to? [05:15] format devices as fat32 [05:15] mp3 players and cameras propably need that anyway [05:16] then they should just work when you plug them in [05:17] Sysi: They work for the first user (my daughter), but not for an additional user (me) [05:21] ...perhaps I just need rwx permissions for the mount point. [05:21] I could create a group but I didn't know whether Xubuntu already had a group for media mounts. [05:34] it'll be the storage group you need to be in [05:35] Thanks well_laid_lawn [05:35] I'll try that now. [05:36] Hmm... [05:37] Does Xubuntu ship with the "storage" group? [05:44] Oh dear. I really shouldn't have done what I just did. :-/ [05:46] I seem to have removed my daughter from the sudoers file. [05:46] ...and I'm not in it, so... guess I'll be reinstalling then. [05:55] ball: boot into recovery mode [05:55] if you don't want to reinstall [05:57] well_laid_lawn: This might be a good time for me to upgrade anyway. First to tar up our user folders and move them to another machine. [05:57] luck :) [06:38] Hello, umm when i set up the power options its like they never take effect because the laptop just shuts down, no suspend or hibernate [06:38] Is this a bug? [07:28] is there a way to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 from the disc (rather than the Update Manager)? [07:32] use the alternate cd [07:32] !alternate [07:32] The Alternate CD is a classic text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/alternative-download#alternate - See also !minimal [08:41] Hello my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-) [08:41] I trust you all are doing well today . [08:42] Could someone here kindly tell me if Thunar is capable of opening up another windwo pain using using "new tab" function found in gnome's nautilus ? [08:43] hi all [08:43] i've stupid question [08:43] kasztan85, Hello [08:44] what's your question ? [08:44] how can I autosort my icons on desktop in xubuntu (xfce) ? ;> [08:44] sort by name or type [08:45] I believe that option can be accessed by simply using the right mouse click option [08:46] i dont have this option [08:46] in this menu [08:47] kasztan85, Are you on a laptop or desktop ? [08:48] laptop [08:48] acer [08:48] xubuntu 11.04 [08:49] kasztan85: there's a file you can edit [08:49] where? [08:49] kasztan85, oh I see I'm using Xubuntu 11.10. [08:49] in ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/ [08:49] I've never used Xubuntu 11.04 [08:49] ok [08:50] in HOME folder? [08:50] well_laid_lawn, ? [08:50] and then in a terminal do xfdesktop --reload [08:50] yep in your home folder [08:50] make sure you can view hidden files [08:51] ok [08:51] kasztan85, good luck to you I have to install Xubuntu 11.10 on a friends system. [08:51] Good luck. [08:53] well_laid_lawn, but how to add option autosort on menu? [08:53] I don't know if you can [08:54] hm... [08:54] maybe someone in #xfce will know about that [08:54] ok [10:58] Hi! I installed Ubuntu, but found out I couldn't live with Unity or Gnome 3, so I decided to try out Xfce4. However, it doesn't quite work out of the box with dual monitor. I managed to fix this with a single xrandr-command, but I have to do this every reboot. Are there a proper way to make it more permanent? [11:00] how do you enable file sharing (so that other computers may connect to yours) in Xubuntu? [11:09] samba? nfs? something else? [11:10] ubottu, nfs [11:10] nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS. [11:12] bazhang: I don't know [11:13] Hoaas, add the xrandr command to your autostarted applications in settings manager -> session and startup -> tab application autostart [11:15] zacarias, if you could specify, then we could come to some recommendation [11:15] knome: Ok, thanks. :) [11:15] np [11:15] zacarias, does windows computers need to access the files? [11:16] bazhang: no, just macs [11:20] knome: no, just macs [11:24] knome: any suggestions? I can't find a "file sharing" program or menu, like I could in Ubuntu [11:31] zacarias, install gvfs-backends and try gigolo [11:33] knome: it's installed and gigolo is working. Actually I'm using it to transfer files (although I find it very slow for an ethernet connection). But what if I want to connect from the other computer? [12:46] Hi all, Whenever I change the theme in xfce settings manager -> appearance it seems to muck up the gtk3 theme, and I also appear to be unable to manage the gtk3 theme using something like gnome-tweak-tool [12:46] any ideas? [12:47] Sam42: How does it get mucked up? [12:47] It changes to whatever the default is i'm assuming, it's grey and very blocky [12:48] it doesn't happen when greybird is selected, but if I was to try to use another theme [12:48] Sam42: Have you tried tinkering within 'Window Manager' instead the settings manager? [12:48] Sam42: I had a similar issue because I was only looking at 'Appearance' and wondering why the theme wasn't being properly applied. [12:49] I'm using compiz, so those options are unavailable to me currently [12:49] i'll disable compiz and have a look, cheers [12:49] Sam42: Good luck, man, glad to be of help. [12:49] Is there a way to install Ubuntu's cpu throttling feature (adjustable via a panel item) in XUbuntu? My laptop cannot run at it's full CPU speed without overheating and causing a thermal cutout... [12:51] does xfce4-cpufreq-plugin not work? [12:52] Sam42: I couldn't get it to work, but maybe that was because of the failing hard drive I was using at the time....just reinstalled on a fresh drive, so I'll give it another crack. [12:52] Sam42: I assume I have to add-apt it, correct? [12:52] It doesn't work for me actually, just gave it a go [12:53] ...gah, I hate trying to tinker when I'm tired...but it's the only free time I have. :( [12:53] What was the command in terminal to install a new application? *feeling a bit stupid here, since I use it all the time* [12:54] sudo apt-get install [12:55] apt-get, I was typing add-apt.....*laughs* [12:55] hehe [12:55] have you attempted sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils and then something like sudo cpufreq-set -g powersave ? [12:56] Nope, but that will be my next attempt to get cpu throttling working if this line of inquiry fails. [12:57] It seems to be working.... xfce40cpufreq-plugin was precisely what I needed. [12:57] *swaps out the 0 with a -.....and curses laptop keyboards in the dark* [12:58] ah, great! doesn't seem to make a difference for me [12:59] Problem is I can't change the frequency, it ignores me....I guess cpufrequtils is needed even if apt-get didn't see that when I installed the plugin. [12:59] ah, that's what I meant [12:59] that also didn't seem to make a difference unfortunately [12:59] We shall see, the install looks promising in terminal. [13:00] And nada...you were correct. Cursors and crashes. :P [13:00] :/ [13:01] But the cpufreq-set -g powersave command let me shove it into powersave manually. [13:01] *writes a desktop command icon to do this a little more cleanly, it's a kludge but it solves the problem*!!! [13:03] There we go...a launcher that shoves me into powersave with but a typed in sudo password each time....that'll work. Thank you, Sam. [13:03] glad there was some solution! [13:06] Only way to clean it up further is to install them into the panel as clickable icons, give each one a different color, and to give out a way to hardocde my sudo password into it so I don't need to type it in each time I change frequencies. [13:07] Other than that, I'm golden....or as golden as I can get. I figure the plugin itself fails since it probably doesn't have sudo backing, which it needs.) [13:09] Don't suppose you know a way to do the latter, giving the launcher the sudo password so I don't need to retype it over and over again? [13:10] I'm not sure it's that, i just attempted it and it doesn't seem to make a difference. I would suspect it's a user groups thing or packages problem, but I can't seem to find much useful information on it [13:11] *nods* [13:19] gah, no luck on changing the gtk3 theme in xubuntu yet [13:19] it seems to set to whatever the theme in settings -> appearances is, but most of those themes don't have gtk3 counterparts [13:25] hi there, i am a newbee to xubuntu. Uses ubuntu9.04 before. How can i get the drive icons of the desktop and put them in a new menuitem in the top-panel? [13:26] like 9.04 gnome2.x do it with the menu "places" [13:27] volker: this is what i did to create a pseudo-places on xubuntu: [13:28] first i created an empty launcher; rightclicmenu>panel>new launcher [13:28] then i added a thunar launcher, and changed it starting point [13:28] for example, thunar ~/ [13:28] for Home [13:28] then i added a few more launchers for thunar directing me to different folders [13:29] all on one single launch box [13:31] thanks for your answer. As i klick (right) on the panel, i didn't see "new launcher". I only see preferences, move, delete and Panel> ? I uses the newest Xubuntu === GridCube is now known as GridHacker [13:32] volker: :D see what i said: rightclicmenu > PANEL > new launcher === GridHacker is now known as GridCube [13:35] i uses the german version. I didn't find a PANEL entry in the rightclicmenu [13:36] oh... you just said you did¿? [13:36] its the only one that has a sub-menu :) [13:36] for anyone interested I managed to set the gtk3 theme to something different to the gtk2 theme by copying /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-3.0 into ~/.config, I assume this will work with other gtk-3 themes [13:37] @girdcube aka:hacker.... i'll try that... [13:38] !tab | volker [13:38] volker: You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [13:38] :D [14:31] anyone here? [14:31] Woohoo! switched over from ubuntu classic desktop to xubuntu, should have done this long time ago! [14:31] !anyone | gentoo_drummer [14:31] gentoo_drummer: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [14:35] just wondering if i can get I used the command line installation since i hate unity and installed xfce. the system is incredible fast, even quicker than my debian and i was wondering if someone could tell me how can i get the default ubuntu font rendering? [14:35] or xubuntu, rather, although I would guess its the same? [14:36] i do not understand your question [14:36] They are not the same. Xubuntu defaults to droid fonts, Ubuntu defaults to Ubuntu fonts [14:36] ok [14:36] all im wondering is how do they get rendered though [14:37] cause i have installed xfce on my system and it's a vast difference from xubuntu xfce [14:37] I don't understand rendering [14:37] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11346523 [14:37] Xubuntu is a full operating system that is built around Xfce, Xfce itself is a desktop environment that needs other things to make it complete as an OS [14:38] maybe this can clear up things a bit [14:39] If you installed Ubuntu and added Xfce4, you should install xubuntu-desktop to get the Xubuntu components [14:40] Another Q: did anyone manage to make thunar with gvfs-backend (^L, sftp:// address) pop up a passprhase dialogue for the right private key? I have gnome-keyring and libpam-gnome-keyring installed and ssh-agent running but they don't seem to cooperate. [14:40] Maybe I should strace thunar to see whether it even connects to SSH_AUTH_SOCK at all [14:41] charlie-tca: erm.. I would rather install xubuntu than do that.. [14:41] all i need is a clean base system [14:41] i don't want all the libraries that are built in around xubuntu [14:41] xfce = 100MB [14:41] xubuntu = 1GB [14:42] -no-install-recommends [14:42] Then I have no answer to make it work the same [14:42] essentially, I just need a debian desktop sort of thing, with the bleeding edge of ubuntu but not all the desktop non-sense [14:42] but I do love the font rendering [14:43] .... then >--no-install-recommends gentoo_drummer [14:43] huh? [14:44] gentoo_drummer: if you >sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recomends you get just the desktop and nothing of "all the nonsense" [14:45] really??? [14:45] pretty much [14:45] so no artwork, lightdm etc? [14:45] GridCube: did you try that? [14:45] nop [14:45] :/ charlie-tca i did not [14:46] xubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that pulls in the other stuff. It does nothing on it's own [14:46] oh [14:46] :( [14:46] sorry then [14:46] It is only needed to be installed for an upgrade to the next release [14:46] lol [14:46] so are there any other reccomendations then? [14:46] essentially, I just need "xubuntu-fonts" [14:47] and all the libriaries it needs [14:47] no artwork, light-dm or any other fancy stuff [14:47] xfce + xubuntu fonts [14:47] but with xubuntu fonts, there is also different font configuration [14:48] install droid fonts, change fonts in all the places in settings manager that have them [14:48] charlie-tca: they just dont seem the same [14:48] :/ [14:49] i think xubuntu has settings for lcd and the way that the libraries are patched too [14:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts#Font_Smoothing [14:49] i think this is it.. [14:50] i want xfce plus font smoothing or the way it is used in xubuntu/ubuntu [14:57] "font smoothing" == antialiased fonts? === newbie is now known as GridCube [15:41] Anyone know why my system would restart in Unity even when my last login selection was Xubuntu? [15:42] hey all === jcfp is now known as Guest11167 === Guest11167 is now known as jcfp [15:54] i wanna formaty a drive in xubuntu how can i do it ? [15:54] format* [15:54] install gparted [15:54] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted [15:55] GridCube: thanks man , i will give a try [16:05] Is there a way to upgrade from xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 from the CD (rather than the Update Manager)? [16:05] ronsonol: yes [16:06] download the desktop cd, insert it in the drive while at the desktop [16:06] it should spin up, open thunar, and ask if you want to upgrade [16:06] hey all - I'm using apt-get download to download all of my installed packages, but it apparently can't find *two* packages out of the list of installed generated with Synapytic (Save Markings As...) *or* dpkg --get-selections (it fails with either list for two packages); is there a way to get verbose output for apt-get failures so I can see what it can't find? [16:07] charlie-tca - oh, okay. I had tried booting from it and didn't see any option. Just not the right approach. [16:08] babble: use -m ? [16:08] apt-get --help in a terminal will show the options. [16:09] ronsonol you should get a upgrarde option if you're booting from the live cd at one stage , do you have multi OS in your system ? [16:10] raju - no, have a lot of partitions but only one OS. [16:11] charlie-tca: yeah, that's the basic help fiie; I've looked at that. I'm not using apt-get interactively, so I don't know WHERE in the list it fails [16:11] then i am sure you should get a upgrade while doing installation at before partition selection [16:11] does apt-get do a log somewhere I could look at? [16:12] babble: try running 'sudo apt-get update' first, to see if it will tell you have missing packages. [16:12] raju - okay, I didn't want to get to far into it and find I was installing new with no option to upgrade. [16:12] there should be 4 different options and "upgrade" is one of them. should be the second option [16:12] then try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', which should show partial installs and such things. Hitting no will stop the updates [16:13] charlie-tca: yeah, I thought about that too - apt-get update says I've got no missing sources :) [16:13] ahh! dist-upgrade I hadn't thought of. [16:13] lemme try :) [16:13] thanks :) [16:13] np [16:13] It's worth a shot, anyway [16:14] charlie-tca: i think it is sudo de-release-upgrade ? [16:14] no [16:14] charlie-tca: suggest me back if it is wrong my friend [16:14] babble is trying to find missing packages. He does not want to upgrade to the next release [16:15] ahh [16:15] oh, I don't mean to interrupt, if you're helping raju, sorry :) [16:15] I'm already running 11.10 :) [16:15] oh i thought you suggesting for upgrading issue [16:15] As to ronsonol, letting the cd spin up when ;logged in will give a prompt to upgrade from the cd itself [16:15] raju: my fault, sorry, I thought you were okay with your question :) [16:16] Incidentally, suspicious of upgrading from the Update Manager lest I wind up with Ubuntu proper rather than Xubuntu. Had this hose an EasyPeasy install once. [16:16] sudo do-release-upgrade will upgrade to the next release, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will only install updates [16:16] babble: dont say sorry man , cheer up [16:17] charlie-tca: we have sudo apt-get upgrade for that [16:17] ronsonol: if you do not have the ubuntu-desktop package installed it should not happen [16:17] ronsonol: I used the Upgrade Manager to upgrade from Xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 this time around; no problems (but YMMV, naturally) [16:17] raju: if you do want not want all the updates, yes. That will not allow the kernel to update, though [16:17] YMMV ? [16:18] "Your mileage may vary" - a US colloquialism to mean, roughly, "it works for me - it should for you, but don't beat me if it doesn't." [16:18] Noticed also upgrading from the Update Manager that it was installing Unity, which I thought was specifically Ubuntu (don't have it on Xubuntu 11.04 anyway). [16:18] You are correct. Unity is Ubuntu only [16:19]