[00:08] <franklet> hi guys, just switched from regular ubuntu and have a question, how can you set an external display to extended desktop instead of mirroring? any help appreciated, it seems its not as easy as ubuntu to just google and find an answer
[00:09] <well_laid_lawn> franklet: have a look at arandr
[00:09] <well_laid_lawn> !info arandr
[00:09] <well_laid_lawn> !xrandr
[00:09] <franklet> thanks
[00:17] <franklet> oh sweet can you also use this to set a custom resolution on the external?
[01:11] <Skapare> Xubuntu is w/o Unity, right?
[01:12] <|Slacker|> yep
[01:12] <Skapare> ok, then I like it already
[01:13] <Skapare> thanks!  I'll go get it
[01:49] <jeremy-77> NICE ! and there is lots of people in here..  I found my alternative to unity!  I really like this desktop. I always get rid of bottom pannel in ubuntu gnome 2 and add docky and looks like you guys have this set up much like I customize my ubuntu  to always look!
[01:50] <madbovine> It is pretty nice I would agree
[01:51] <jeremy-77> will I be able to install my proprietary ati driver ? radeon hd 2600 xt    ?
[01:52] <madbovine> There's probably a work around for it...not one I know but I'm sure you can search the ubuntu forums for an answer
[01:53] <jeremy-77> well install just finish and it is ready to restart so I guess I will find out in a few :)
[01:53] <attar> when i ran the "additional drivers" the ati driver popped up right away.
[01:53] <jeremy-77> attar,  Awesome!
[01:54] <jeremy-77> with that and wine 1.3.3 I should have my WOW game up and running pretty quick too then
[01:56] <attar> i was hesitant to install 11.10 but actually it couldn't have gone smoother
[02:04] <jeremy-77> running real smooth so far but I have two options for the ati driver both are smae except one says (post-release updates) at the end. should I use that one?
[02:05] <attar> fwiw, i tried the post-release version first and it gave an error but the other worked fine.
[02:06] <jeremy-77> ill use the other one then
[02:12] <franklet> i can't seem to create an xorg.conf file, any suggestions?
[02:12] <lev_> Hey everyone
[02:12] <franklet> hi
[02:13] <well_laid_lawn> franklet: are you using sudo?
[02:13] <well_laid_lawn> !sudo
[02:13] <franklet> yes
[02:13] <franklet> sudo Xorg -configure
[02:14] <well_laid_lawn> it'll save the file in the directory you are in
[02:14] <well_laid_lawn> check your home dir
[02:14] <franklet> i get an error says "fatal server error"
[02:15] <well_laid_lawn> you have to not have X running to do it
[02:16] <franklet> oh, whats the command to stop x running? and if x manages windows will it affect the gui?
[02:16] <well_laid_lawn> if you kill X all the apps with windows open close
[02:17] <well_laid_lawn> why do you think you need an xorg.conf file?
[02:17] <franklet> i want to set a resolution that isn't currently available
[02:17] <well_laid_lawn> you can set that in one of the files in xorg.conf.d
[02:17] <franklet> my external monitor is 1920x1080 but I want to run it at 1280x720
[02:18] <well_laid_lawn> 10-monitor.conf or something
[02:18] <franklet> oh, thanks!
[02:18] <jeremy-77> Is there a way I can check my d3d in terminal? I just installed the proprietary ati driver
[02:20] <well_laid_lawn> probably but I don't use the proprietry drivers
[02:20] <well_laid_lawn> !ati
[02:22] <franklet> is ubottu a person or automated response?
[02:22] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[02:23] <well_laid_lawn> !messagethebot | it you want to practise
[02:24] <jeremy-77> http://pastebin.com/9iWGN6BZ
[02:24] <jeremy-77> dose this look right?
[02:26] <well_laid_lawn> it says direct rendering yes so it should be fine
[02:27] <jeremy-77> good ! http://pastebin.com/7T1Uyfe9    this was glxgears output
[02:28] <well_laid_lawn> glxgears isn't a benchmark - it changes if you make the window larger or change desktops
[02:28] <jeremy-77> im still kinda new to linux so I am just trying to be sure this is all running stable
[02:29] <franklet> so i dont seem to have any conf file in xorg.conf.d to do with my monitor, just trackpoint, mouse, wacom (which i assume is the tablet thing)
[02:31] <franklet> !xrandr
[02:35] <jeremy-77> man I am super impressed with xubuntu over ubuntu! I think I may like this even more than the old gnome 2.
[02:36] <franklet> reminds of osx with the dick
[02:36] <franklet> dock*
[02:37] <jeremy-77> l
[02:39] <jeremy-77> lol  well i read that osx got there look from linux but I dont always believe everything I read. I guess osx and linux are close in code and some what more compatable then microsoft right?
[02:40] <franklet> i guess so, osx doesn't play nice with others tho
[02:44] <jeremy-77> Ive tinkered with linux for a couple years or since ubuntu 7.04 off and on mostly on laptop but I finally ditched microsoft about 2 months ago and am determined not to go back. im just trying to find the right flavor linux for me and I may have hit the jackpot tonight with this one
[02:45] <franklet> nice, what other ones have you tried? i think i'm still looking for one i like ive only tried ubuntu with gnome and kde and then salix and now this
[02:45] <jeremy-77> I found a program called mangler that completely replaces ventrillo for me and my wow seems to run better in whine then windows
[02:46] <jeremy-77> fedora has a new distro called fuduntu but I did not spend a lot of time with it and I tried open suse once but came back to ubuntu
[02:47] <jeremy-77> oh and I tried debian sqeeze but had hardware issues
[02:48] <jeremy-77> and KDE just has way too much bells and whistles for me and reminds me more of windows then linux
[02:50] <jeremy-77> i think KDE is trying to compete with a windows 7 f antsy look but maybe I am wrong .  I like simple and easy quick and customizable like gnome 2 or now xfce
[02:51] <jeremy-77> I dont like a desktop that makes you jump through to many hoops to find what your looking for
[02:51] <franklet> ya i liked gnome 2, the only reason i decided to give xubuntu a shot was because when i got rid of gnome 3 i must have corrupted something cause it got stuck part way through booting
[02:52] <franklet> ya i agree, simple is nice
[02:52] <timboy777> just installed xubuntu and I like my gnome 2 functionality back but i can't disable touchpad clicking. how do i do this? I installed gsynaptics but can't find it or figure out how to do what I need to.
[02:52] <timboy777> the menu in ubuntu exists but not in xfce :/
[02:53] <franklet> even right now im frustrated with xubuntu, my bluetooth mouse wont sync even though it says it's synced and i was about to say the exact same thing about the touchpad
[02:53] <franklet> so annoying
[02:53] <timboy777> yes very annoying google wasn't much help
[02:53] <timboy777> got a lot of info about older versions of xubuntu
[02:54] <jeremy-77> well whats funny is I have ubuntu 10.04 on laptop now and I installed docky and set it up with one button drop down for menu and when I ran live cd of xubuntu on desktop next to my laptop they are set up identical to each other so the look i was trying to achieve in ubuntu is default in xubuntu lol
[02:55] <franklet> haha
[02:56] <jeremy-77> what is the default dock in xubunt ?
[02:57] <franklet> no clue
[02:57] <franklet> i'm gonna put ubuntu back on, too many exams now, no time to tinker. take care
[02:58] <jeremy-77> it dose not seem as customizable as docky but maybe I am not finding the right settings for it
[03:00] <timboy777> the dock definitely sucks. you can't even drag shortcuts to it...
[03:00] <timboy777> but it seems to work. I've replicated gnome 2 interface with compiz very nicely
[03:01] <jeremy-77> docky has been my favorite so far. wonder how hard it would be to replace the default one with docky?
[03:02] <timboy777> just remove the default one and set docky in the startup apps would be my guess
[03:02] <timboy777> sounds simple
[03:02] <jeremy-77> yeah I think i will do that
[03:02] <timboy777> it's for my mom so I won't be exploring that option. but I will be using this myself. Honestly Ubuntu made a huge mistake with new interface
[03:02] <timboy777> gnome 3 is crap also for that matter
[03:03] <jeremy-77> I absolutely agree! gnome 3 is bad and unity is horrible !
[03:03] <timboy777> yup
[03:04] <timboy777> i just hope they figure it out sooner than later
[03:04] <timboy777> i'd hate to see a bunch of people jump ship on that account
[03:04] <timboy777> i'm just glad I can replicate look and feel on xubuntu
[03:04] <timboy777> i have compiz set to expo out on left click on left side of screen
[03:05] <timboy777> without that I can't use my pc anymore and my mom is the same now.
[03:05] <jeremy-77> if not for fact they took gnome 2 out of 11.10 completely i would have stayed but they took the option out and made it difficult to get back to gnome 2 and I tried many times to make myself like unity or gnome 3 but it is not for me
[03:06] <timboy777> agreed
[03:06] <timboy777> the crappy gnome replacement doesn't do anything. tried it and it isn't compiz or anything
[03:06] <jeremy-77> maybe it was a good thing . I found xubuntu and am very impressed
[03:07] <jeremy-77> yeah i think they broke compiz
[03:07] <timboy777> I'm not impressed with customization in settings menu. ie no backup or things like that
[03:07] <timboy777> i have compiz working fine after i installed it
[03:07] <timboy777> they just don't have it easily installable and set as default
[03:07] <timboy777> pity
[03:08] <timboy777> theme is ok but not very nice
[03:09] <jeremy-77> I used compiz for a while for all the fun effects but the only thing I think I would like to bring from unity to this is the split windows
[03:09] <timboy777> split windows?
[03:10] <jeremy-77> you grab a window and throw it to one side and it splits to half the window and you can do the same with another window on the other side
[03:10] <timboy777> oh compiz does that now
[03:10] <timboy777> when i installed it it is set up that way by default
[03:11] <jeremy-77> it dose ? awesome. I like being able to drag a window to the top and it automatically becomes full screen and to drag it away from top it goes back to nrmal size
[03:11] <timboy777> plus like i said setting the zoom out of expo to left clicking on left of the screen is amazingly helpful. makes multitasking amazingly smooth especially on a laptop
[03:11] <timboy777> yeah works like a charm
[03:12] <timboy777> also double clicking top bar does the same thing now
[03:12] <jeremy-77> how did you install compiz?
[03:12] <timboy777> https://plus.google.com/101839830409692150605/posts/9mRyYqdnPj5
[03:12] <jeremy-77> do you live int the US ?
[03:13] <timboy777> yes
[03:13] <timboy777> Oregon.
[03:13] <jeremy-77> missouri ?
[03:13] <jeremy-77> oh ok
[03:13] <timboy777> lol
[03:13] <jeremy-77> I got a buddy name tim who has bday of 7-7-77 just making sure you was not him
[03:14] <jeremy-77> I think his wife is from oregon lol
[03:15] <timboy777> lol
[03:15] <timboy777> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-10202011-081416pm.php
[03:16] <timboy777> that's how i have the desktop set up
[03:16] <timboy777> that's a good birthdate
[03:16] <timboy777> i was born in 86 though
[03:17] <jeremy-77> yeah I got him into ubuntu a year ago. and seen your 777 at the end of you name is why I had to ask lol
[03:17] <timboy777> ah makes sense. what a coincidence. well good talking to you. my email is richard [ at ] thecornbread.com if you ever wanna talk linux
[03:18] <jeremy-77> i was born 77
[03:18] <jeremy-77> cool thanks
[03:18] <timboy777> np ttyl
[03:47] <cjs> What's the equivalent, in Xfce, of "gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_key_theme Emacs"?
[03:48] <cjs> Now that I've switched, I keep closing windows when all I want to do is delete the previous word in what I'm typing. :-(
[03:50] <gusnan> cjs, xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gtk/KeyThemeName -s Emacs
[03:50] <gusnan> cjs, http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=4731
[03:54] <w30> what's the differenc between a xfc4 and a xubuntu login?
[03:55] <cjs> gusnan: Thanks!
[03:56] <cjs> w30: The background picture and the colours, as far as I can tell.
[03:58] <w30> cjs, that's all I see also, ha
[03:59] <cjs> w30: I tried to figure out the other day how it even figures out which session you chose when you logged in, but I can't. The same startup script is run with the same parameters.
[04:01] <w30> cjs, xfc4 has a mouse on the screen and in your hand I guess?  *smile*
[05:09] <Sysi> if you load xfce-session on first login, it gives you default xfce settings, if you login to xubuntu-session, xubuntu defaults
[05:09] <Sysi> if you mix between sessions, weird stuff
[05:14] <ball> How can I give several users r/w access to USB storage devices such as Flash sticks, MP3 players and cameras?  Is there a group they need to belong to?
[05:15] <Sysi> format devices as fat32
[05:15] <Sysi> mp3 players and cameras propably need that anyway
[05:16] <Sysi> then they should just work when you plug them in
[05:17] <ball> Sysi: They work for the first user (my daughter), but not for an additional user (me)
[05:21] <ball> ...perhaps I just need rwx permissions for the mount point.
[05:21] <ball> I could create a group but I didn't know whether Xubuntu already had a group for media mounts.
[05:34] <well_laid_lawn> it'll be the storage group you need to be in
[05:35] <ball> Thanks well_laid_lawn
[05:35] <ball> I'll try that now.
[05:36] <ball> Hmm...
[05:37] <ball> Does Xubuntu ship with the "storage" group?
[05:44] <ball> Oh dear.  I really shouldn't have done what I just did. :-/
[05:46] <ball> I seem to have removed my daughter from the sudoers file.
[05:46] <ball> ...and I'm not in it, so... guess I'll be reinstalling then.
[05:55] <well_laid_lawn> ball: boot into recovery mode
[05:55] <well_laid_lawn> if you don't want to reinstall
[05:57] <ball> well_laid_lawn: This might be a good time for me to upgrade anyway.  First to tar up our user folders and move them to another machine.
[05:57] <well_laid_lawn> luck :)
[06:38] <George> Hello, umm when i set up the power options its like they never take effect because the laptop just shuts down, no suspend or hibernate
[06:38] <George> Is this a bug?
[07:28] <ronsonol> is there a way to upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 from the disc (rather than the Update Manager)?
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn> use the alternate cd
[07:32] <well_laid_lawn> !alternate
[08:41] <sandra__> Hello my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[08:41] <sandra__> I trust you all are doing well today .
[08:42] <sandra__> Could someone here kindly tell me if Thunar is capable of opening up another windwo pain using using "new tab" function found in gnome's nautilus ?
[08:43] <kasztan85> hi all
[08:43] <kasztan85> i've stupid question
[08:43] <sandra__> kasztan85, Hello
[08:44] <sandra__> what's your question ?
[08:44] <kasztan85> how can I autosort my icons on desktop in xubuntu (xfce) ? ;>
[08:44] <kasztan85> sort by name or type
[08:45] <sandra__> I believe that option can be accessed by simply using the right mouse click option
[08:46] <kasztan85> i dont have this option
[08:46] <kasztan85> in this menu
[08:47] <sandra__> kasztan85, Are you on a laptop or desktop ?
[08:48] <kasztan85> laptop
[08:48] <kasztan85> acer
[08:48] <kasztan85> xubuntu 11.04
[08:49] <well_laid_lawn> kasztan85: there's a file you can edit
[08:49] <kasztan85> where?
[08:49] <sandra__> kasztan85, oh I see I'm using Xubuntu 11.10.
[08:49] <well_laid_lawn> in ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/
[08:49] <sandra__> I've never used Xubuntu 11.04
[08:49] <kasztan85> ok
[08:50] <kasztan85> in HOME folder?
[08:50] <kasztan85> well_laid_lawn, ?
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> and then in a terminal do   xfdesktop --reload
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> yep in your home folder
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> make sure you can view hidden files
[08:51] <kasztan85> ok
[08:51] <sandra__> kasztan85, good luck to you I have to install Xubuntu 11.10 on a friends system.
[08:51] <sandra__> Good luck.
[08:53] <kasztan85> well_laid_lawn, but how to add option autosort on menu?
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know if you can
[08:54] <kasztan85> hm...
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> maybe someone in #xfce will know about that
[08:54] <kasztan85> ok
[10:58] <Hoaas> Hi! I installed Ubuntu, but found out I couldn't live with Unity or Gnome 3, so I decided to try out Xfce4. However, it doesn't quite work out of the box with dual monitor. I managed to fix this with a single xrandr-command, but I have to do this every reboot. Are there a proper way to make it more permanent?
[11:00] <zacarias> how do you enable file sharing (so that other computers may connect to yours) in Xubuntu?
[11:09] <bazhang> samba? nfs? something else?
[11:10] <bazhang> ubottu, nfs
[11:12] <zacarias> bazhang: I don't know
[11:13] <knome> Hoaas, add the xrandr command to your autostarted applications in settings manager -> session and startup -> tab application autostart
[11:15] <bazhang> zacarias, if you could specify, then we could come to some recommendation
[11:15] <Hoaas> knome: Ok, thanks. :)
[11:15] <knome> np
[11:15] <knome> zacarias, does windows computers need to access the files?
[11:16] <zacarias> bazhang: no, just macs
[11:20] <zacarias> knome: no, just macs
[11:24] <zacarias> knome: any suggestions? I can't find a "file sharing" program or menu, like I could in Ubuntu
[11:31] <knome> zacarias, install gvfs-backends and try gigolo
[11:33] <zacarias> knome: it's installed and gigolo is working. Actually I'm using it to transfer files (although I find it very slow for an ethernet connection). But what if I want to connect from the other computer?
[12:46] <Sam42> Hi all, Whenever I change the theme in xfce settings manager -> appearance it seems to muck up the gtk3 theme, and I also appear to be unable to manage the gtk3 theme using something like gnome-tweak-tool
[12:46] <Sam42> any ideas?
[12:47] <anichols> Sam42: How does it get mucked up?
[12:47] <Sam42> It changes to whatever the default is i'm assuming, it's grey and very blocky
[12:48] <Sam42> it doesn't happen when greybird is selected, but if I was to try to use another theme
[12:48] <anichols> Sam42: Have you tried tinkering within 'Window Manager' instead the settings manager?
[12:48] <anichols> Sam42: I had a similar issue because I was only looking at 'Appearance' and wondering why the theme wasn't being properly applied.
[12:49] <Sam42> I'm using compiz, so those options are unavailable to me currently
[12:49] <Sam42> i'll disable compiz and have a look, cheers
[12:49] <anichols> Sam42: Good luck, man, glad to be of help.
[12:49] <anichols> Is there a way to install Ubuntu's cpu throttling feature (adjustable via a panel item) in XUbuntu?  My laptop cannot run at it's full CPU speed without overheating and causing a thermal cutout...
[12:51] <Sam42> does xfce4-cpufreq-plugin not work?
[12:52] <anichols> Sam42: I couldn't get it to work, but maybe that was because of the failing hard drive I was using at the time....just reinstalled on a fresh drive, so I'll give it another crack.
[12:52] <anichols> Sam42: I assume I have to add-apt it, correct?
[12:52] <Sam42> It doesn't work for me actually, just gave it a go
[12:53] <anichols> ...gah, I hate trying to tinker when I'm tired...but it's the only free time I have. :(
[12:53] <anichols> What was the command in terminal to install a new application?  *feeling a bit stupid here, since I use it all the time*
[12:54] <Sam42> sudo apt-get install
[12:55] <anichols> apt-get, I was typing add-apt.....*laughs*
[12:55] <Sam42> hehe
[12:55] <Sam42> have you attempted sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils and then something like sudo cpufreq-set -g powersave ?
[12:56] <anichols> Nope, but that will be my next attempt to get cpu throttling working if this line of inquiry fails.
[12:57] <anichols> It seems to be working.... xfce40cpufreq-plugin was precisely what I needed.
[12:57] <anichols> *swaps out the 0 with a -.....and curses laptop keyboards in the dark*
[12:58] <Sam42> ah, great! doesn't seem to make a difference for me
[12:59] <anichols> Problem is I can't change the frequency, it ignores me....I guess cpufrequtils is needed even if apt-get didn't see that when I installed the plugin.
[12:59] <Sam42> ah, that's what I meant
[12:59] <Sam42> that also didn't seem to make a difference unfortunately
[12:59] <anichols> We shall see, the install looks promising in terminal.
[13:00] <anichols> And nada...you were correct.  Cursors and crashes. :P
[13:00] <Sam42> :/
[13:01] <anichols> But the cpufreq-set -g powersave command let me shove it into powersave manually.
[13:01] <anichols> *writes a desktop command icon to do this a little more cleanly, it's a kludge but it solves the problem*!!!
[13:03] <anichols> There we go...a launcher that shoves me into powersave with but a typed in sudo password each time....that'll work.  Thank you, Sam.
[13:03] <Sam42> glad there was some solution!
[13:06] <anichols> Only way to clean it up further is to install them into the panel as clickable icons, give each one a different color, and to give out a way to hardocde my sudo password into it so I don't need to type it in each time I change frequencies.
[13:07] <anichols> Other than that, I'm golden....or as golden as I can get.  I figure the plugin itself fails since it probably doesn't have sudo backing, which it needs.)
[13:09] <anichols> Don't suppose you know a way to do the latter, giving the launcher the sudo password so I don't need to retype it over and over again?
[13:10] <Sam42> I'm not sure it's that, i just attempted it and it doesn't seem to make a difference. I would suspect it's a user groups thing or packages problem, but I can't seem to find much useful information on it
[13:11] <anichols> *nods*
[13:19] <Sam42> gah, no luck on changing the gtk3 theme in xubuntu yet
[13:19] <Sam42> it seems to set to whatever the theme in settings -> appearances is, but most of those themes don't have gtk3 counterparts
[13:25] <volker> hi there, i am a newbee to xubuntu. Uses ubuntu9.04 before. How can i get the drive icons of the desktop and put them in a new menuitem in the top-panel?
[13:26] <volker> like 9.04 gnome2.x do it with the menu "places"
[13:27] <GridCube> volker: this is what i did to create a pseudo-places on xubuntu:
[13:28] <GridCube> first i created an empty launcher; rightclicmenu>panel>new launcher
[13:28] <GridCube> then i added a thunar launcher, and changed it starting point
[13:28] <GridCube> for example, thunar ~/
[13:28] <GridCube> for Home
[13:28] <GridCube> then i added a few more launchers for thunar directing me to different folders
[13:29] <GridCube> all on one single launch box
[13:31] <volker> thanks for your answer. As i klick (right) on the panel, i didn't see "new launcher". I only see preferences, move, delete and Panel> ? I uses the newest Xubuntu
[13:32] <GridHacker> volker: :D see what i said:  rightclicmenu > PANEL > new launcher
[13:35] <volker> i uses the german version. I didn't find a PANEL entry in the rightclicmenu
[13:36] <GridCube> oh... you just said you did¿?
[13:36] <GridCube> its the only one that has a sub-menu :)
[13:36] <Sam42> for anyone interested I managed to set the gtk3 theme to something different to the gtk2 theme by copying /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-3.0 into ~/.config, I assume this will work with other gtk-3 themes
[13:37] <volker> @girdcube aka:hacker.... i'll try that...
[13:38] <GridCube> !tab | volker
[13:38] <GridCube> :D
[14:31] <gentoo_drummer> anyone here?
[14:31] <Taruk> Woohoo! switched over from ubuntu classic desktop to xubuntu, should have done this long time ago!
[14:31] <charlie-tca> !anyone | gentoo_drummer
[14:35] <gentoo_drummer> just wondering if i can get I used the command line installation since i hate unity and installed xfce. the system is incredible fast, even quicker than my debian and i was wondering if someone could tell me how can i get the default ubuntu font rendering?
[14:35] <gentoo_drummer> or xubuntu, rather, although I would guess its the same?
[14:36] <GridCube> i do not understand your question
[14:36] <charlie-tca> They are not the same. Xubuntu defaults to droid fonts, Ubuntu defaults to Ubuntu fonts
[14:36] <gentoo_drummer> ok
[14:36] <gentoo_drummer> all im wondering is how do they get rendered though
[14:37] <gentoo_drummer> cause i have installed xfce on my system and it's a vast difference from xubuntu xfce
[14:37] <charlie-tca> I don't understand rendering
[14:37] <gentoo_drummer> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11346523
[14:37] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is a full operating system that is built around Xfce, Xfce itself is a desktop environment that needs other things to make it complete as an OS
[14:38] <gentoo_drummer> maybe this can clear up things a bit
[14:39] <charlie-tca> If you installed Ubuntu and added Xfce4, you should install xubuntu-desktop to get the Xubuntu components
[14:40] <Taruk> Another Q: did anyone manage to make thunar with gvfs-backend (^L, sftp:// address) pop up a passprhase dialogue for the right private key? I have gnome-keyring and libpam-gnome-keyring installed and ssh-agent running but they don't seem to cooperate.
[14:40] <Taruk> Maybe I should strace thunar to see whether it even connects to SSH_AUTH_SOCK at all
[14:41] <gentoo_drummer> charlie-tca: erm.. I would rather install xubuntu than do that..
[14:41] <gentoo_drummer> all i need is a clean base system
[14:41] <gentoo_drummer> i don't want all the libraries that are built in around xubuntu
[14:41] <gentoo_drummer> xfce = 100MB
[14:41] <gentoo_drummer> xubuntu = 1GB
[14:42] <GridCube> -no-install-recommends
[14:42] <charlie-tca> Then I have no answer to make it work the same
[14:42] <gentoo_drummer> essentially, I just need a debian desktop sort of thing, with the bleeding edge of ubuntu but not all the desktop non-sense
[14:42] <gentoo_drummer> but I do love the font rendering
[14:43] <GridCube> .... then >--no-install-recommends gentoo_drummer
[14:43] <gentoo_drummer> huh?
[14:44] <GridCube> gentoo_drummer: if you >sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop --no-install-recomends   you get just the desktop and nothing of "all the nonsense"
[14:45] <gentoo_drummer> really???
[14:45] <GridCube> pretty much
[14:45] <gentoo_drummer> so no artwork, lightdm etc?
[14:45] <charlie-tca> GridCube: did you try that?
[14:45] <gentoo_drummer> nop
[14:45] <GridCube> :/ charlie-tca i did not
[14:46] <charlie-tca> xubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that pulls in the other stuff. It does nothing on it's own
[14:46] <GridCube> oh
[14:46] <GridCube> :(
[14:46] <GridCube> sorry then
[14:46] <charlie-tca> It is only needed to be installed for an upgrade to the next release
[14:46] <gentoo_drummer> lol
[14:46] <gentoo_drummer> so are there any other reccomendations then?
[14:46] <gentoo_drummer> essentially, I just need "xubuntu-fonts"
[14:47] <gentoo_drummer> and all the libriaries it needs
[14:47] <gentoo_drummer> no artwork, light-dm or any other fancy stuff
[14:47] <gentoo_drummer> xfce + xubuntu fonts
[14:47] <gentoo_drummer> but with xubuntu fonts, there is also different font configuration
[14:48] <charlie-tca> install droid fonts, change fonts in all the places in settings manager that have them
[14:48] <gentoo_drummer> charlie-tca: they just dont seem the same
[14:48] <gentoo_drummer> :/
[14:49] <gentoo_drummer> i think xubuntu has settings for lcd and the way that the libraries are patched too
[14:49] <gentoo_drummer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts#Font_Smoothing
[14:49] <gentoo_drummer> i think this is it..
[14:50] <gentoo_drummer> i want xfce plus font smoothing or the way it is used in xubuntu/ubuntu
[14:57] <ball> "font smoothing" == antialiased fonts?
[15:41] <silner> Anyone know why my system would restart in Unity even when my last login selection was Xubuntu?
[15:42] <skrite> hey all
[15:54] <raju> i wanna formaty a drive in xubuntu how can i do it ?
[15:54] <raju> format*
[15:54] <GridCube> install gparted
[15:54] <GridCube> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gparted
[15:55] <raju> GridCube:  thanks man , i will give a try
[16:05] <ronsonol> Is there a way to upgrade from xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 from the CD (rather than the Update Manager)?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> ronsonol: yes
[16:06] <charlie-tca> download the desktop cd, insert it in the drive while at the desktop
[16:06] <charlie-tca> it should spin up, open thunar, and ask if you want to upgrade
[16:06] <babble> hey all - I'm using apt-get download to download all of my installed packages, but it apparently can't find *two* packages out of the list of installed generated with Synapytic (Save Markings As...) *or* dpkg --get-selections (it fails with either list for two packages); is there a way to get verbose output for apt-get failures so I can see what it can't find?
[16:07] <ronsonol> charlie-tca - oh, okay.  I had tried booting from it and didn't see any option.  Just not the right approach.
[16:08] <charlie-tca> babble: use -m ?
[16:08] <charlie-tca> apt-get --help in a terminal will show the options.
[16:09] <raju> ronsonol you should get a upgrarde option if you're booting from the live cd at one stage , do you have multi OS in your system ?
[16:10] <ronsonol> raju - no, have a lot of partitions but only one OS.
[16:11] <babble> charlie-tca: yeah, that's the basic help fiie; I've looked at that. I'm not using apt-get interactively, so I don't know WHERE in the list it fails
[16:11] <raju> then i  am sure you should get a upgrade while doing installation at before partition selection
[16:11] <babble> does apt-get do a log somewhere I could look at?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> babble: try running 'sudo apt-get update' first, to see if it will tell you have missing packages.
[16:12] <ronsonol> raju - okay, I didn't want to get to far into it and find I was installing new with no option to upgrade.
[16:12] <william12> there should be 4 different options and "upgrade" is one of them. should be the second option
[16:12] <charlie-tca> then try 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', which should show partial installs and such things. Hitting no will stop the updates
[16:13] <babble> charlie-tca: yeah, I thought about that too - apt-get update says I've got no missing sources :)
[16:13] <babble> ahh! dist-upgrade I hadn't thought of.
[16:13] <babble> lemme try :)
[16:13] <babble> thanks :)
[16:13] <charlie-tca> np
[16:13] <charlie-tca> It's worth a shot, anyway
[16:14] <raju> charlie-tca:  i think it is sudo de-release-upgrade ?
[16:14] <charlie-tca> no
[16:14] <raju> charlie-tca:  suggest me back if it is wrong my friend
[16:14] <charlie-tca> babble is trying to find missing packages. He does not want to upgrade to the next release
[16:15] <william12> ahh
[16:15] <babble> oh, I don't mean to interrupt, if you're helping raju, sorry :)
[16:15] <babble> I'm already running 11.10 :)
[16:15] <raju> oh i thought you suggesting for upgrading issue
[16:15] <charlie-tca> As to ronsonol, letting the cd spin up when ;logged in will give a prompt to upgrade from the cd itself
[16:15] <babble> raju: my fault, sorry, I thought you were okay with your question :)
[16:16] <ronsonol> Incidentally, suspicious of upgrading from the Update Manager lest I wind up with Ubuntu proper rather than Xubuntu.  Had this hose an EasyPeasy install once.
[16:16] <charlie-tca> sudo do-release-upgrade will upgrade to the next release, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will only install updates
[16:16] <raju> babble:  dont say sorry man , cheer up
[16:17] <raju> charlie-tca:  we have sudo apt-get upgrade for that
[16:17] <charlie-tca> ronsonol: if you do not have the ubuntu-desktop package installed it should not happen
[16:17] <babble> ronsonol: I used the Upgrade Manager to upgrade from Xubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 this time around; no problems (but YMMV, naturally)
[16:17] <charlie-tca> raju: if you do want not want all the updates, yes. That will not allow the kernel to update, though
[16:17] <raju> YMMV ?
[16:18] <babble> "Your mileage may vary" - a US colloquialism to mean, roughly, "it works for me - it should for you, but don't beat me if it doesn't."
[16:18] <ronsonol> Noticed also upgrading from the Update Manager that it was installing Unity, which I thought was specifically Ubuntu (don't have it on Xubuntu 11.04 anyway).
[16:18] <charlie-tca> You are correct. Unity is Ubuntu only
[16:19] <babble> there are some oddball unity dependences in a couple of my Gnome apps
[16:19] <raju> charlie-tca:  oh ok so bottom line is dist-upgrade for kernel and as well as apps too . right ?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Did you install Xubuntu from cd?
[16:19] <babble> I've got pieces of Unity installed, but I'm not running in the Unity desktop
[16:19] <charlie-tca> raju: dist-upgrade is for any update that adds a new package. upgrade only allows packages existing on the computer to update.
[16:20] <ronsonol> I installed 11.04 from CD.
[16:20] <charlie-tca> If you use upgrade all the time, eventually, your system will be very out-of-date, since you will have a ton of stuff not updating
[16:21] <charlie-tca> ronsonol: installed gnome apps? It is possible an app you installed did install unity without you realizing it.
[16:21] <raju> so dist-upgrade is best i think
[16:22] <charlie-tca> raju: yes, but if it says it will do a partial upgrade, it is best to wait a few days to do the updates.
[16:22] <charlie-tca> upgrade is like using update-manager and unchecking stuff
[16:22] <ronsonol> Hm, it's possible something I have installed has become dependent on Unity, but I haven't needed it so far.
[16:22] <raju> charlie-tca:  yes i have seen a thread of your in UBF about partial
[16:23] <babble> (sigh, waiting for 9,000 libs to finish downloading so I can try dist-upgrade to locate my missings. hehe)
[16:23] <charlie-tca> raju: really? I try not to use forums, but it is always possible someone quoted me.
[16:23] <raju> charlie-tca:  man you not allowed me to say "thanks for that post " now i have got chance "  thank t\you very much man"
[16:24] <ronsonol> What screwed upgrading EasyPeasy using the Upgrade Manager is that EP has a custom kernel, and Upgrade Manager grabbed the stock Ubuntu kernel.
[16:24] <charlie-tca> raju: you are welcome
[16:24] <ronsonol> er, Update Manager, that is.
[16:24] <charlie-tca> !derivatives
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I think easypeasy falls under that too.
[16:25] <ronsonol> charlie-tca: I installed xubuntu on my eee, and it works so well, I don't even see the point of EasyPeasy anymore.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> I would be really careful about those non-supported derivatives. They can be really tricky
[16:28] <ronsonol> W'anyway, I'm going to try the disc while logged in.  I'll talk to y'all later if I don't blow things up too bad. :)
[16:28] <charlie-tca> back ups!
[16:29] <ronsonol> charlie-tca yes, Yes, YES!
[16:29] <babble> okay, my OTHER strange issue for today: I have a set of backup scripts that I run through Zenity to give me progress bars and etc. while rsync does its thing.
[16:29] <babble> I have copies of those in /etc/cron.hourly, but cron jobs won't run with an interface will they?
[16:30] <babble> even though my scripts call zenity, they'll still run non-interactively when run from cron, or am I missing something?
[16:35] <william12> does xubuntu have good looking login screens? mine looks like something from win3.1
[16:36] <charlie-tca> william12: are you a clean Xubuntu install?
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Oneiric has very nice looking wallpaper, it matches the desktop wallpaper by default
[16:37] <william12> yes from a month ago, cuz upgrade failed
[16:42] <charlie-tca> Are the users and passwords on the left?
[16:57] <william12> sorry no the users and passwords are in the center
[16:57] <william12> black background
[16:58] <charlie-tca> make sure lightdm-gtk-greeter is installed
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Not sure why it did not pick up the changes. Is it up-to-date?
[16:59] <william12> yes. its up-to-date. just got 17 updates like an hour ago
[17:01] <william12> this is what i get when i try to install"lightdm-gtk-greeter is already the newest version."
[17:12] <charlie-tca> I don't know why it won't change then.
[17:13] <charlie-tca> I get the desktop wallpaper as the plymouth wallpaper and lightdm wallpaper. It makes it look the same all the way through the boot to the desktop
[17:16] <william12> would removing and reinstalling  lightdm  make a difference?
[17:16] <charlie-tca> I don't honestly know.
[17:17] <charlie-tca> Do you see the wallpaper splash screen when booting? It should show up with the plymouth throbber on it
[17:17] <charlie-tca> If you do not see it then, reinstalling lightdm won't help, because the video card is not capable of showing it
[17:18] <charlie-tca> The video mode before logging in is different than the mode used after logging in
[17:19] <GridCube> william12: you could what does /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf says
[17:19] <GridCube> maybe you can edit it yourself
[17:19] <william12> when its loading i see "xubuntu" with a nice blue background, then goes into crap login black screen win3.1 style... lol
[17:21] <charlie-tca> Then it might help to reinstall lightdm. but you have to make sure all of it gets removed, including the lightdm-greeter and lightdm-unity-greeter
[17:21] <GridCube> thats plymouth, then lightdm
[17:21] <charlie-tca> if you have either of those, you can try removing them, too, first.
[17:24] <antnash> Hey guys. I got a problem. Just installed from the alternate disk and it's telling me that the su password is wrong
[17:24] <antnash> my password is pretty much the same for everything, is there a default password?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> It should be the same password you logged in with
[17:25] <GridCube> su as it is doesnt work on ubuntu, we use sudo
[17:25] <antnash> doesn't appear to be
[17:25] <charlie-tca> !root
[17:25] <william12> this is whats in my conf
[17:25] <william12> [SeatDefaults]
[17:25] <william12> user-session=xubuntu
[17:25] <william12> greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[17:25] <antnash> lol
[17:25] <charlie-tca> !sudo
[17:25] <charlie-tca> That one, I think is better
[17:26] <GridCube> !su
[17:26] <GridCube> yep
[17:26] <charlie-tca> There is no default password, It should be exactly the password you log in with, but sometimes things break.
[17:26] <antnash> bloody hope it hasn't broken. Just installed and can't be arsed to do it again
[17:27] <GridCube> do a sudo apt-get update
[17:27] <charlie-tca> Try the fixsudo link above, it should help
[17:27] <GridCube> and if it ask your password and works then nothing has broken
[17:28] <antnash> it did work. Not broken. Phew!
[17:29] <GridCube> :) yes, ubuntu doestn use "su" it wont work
[17:29] <antnash> anyone got a recommended vnc?
[17:29] <antnash> server
[17:29] <charlie-tca> Good catch, GridCube
[17:29] <GridCube> :D
[17:29] <charlie-tca> !vnc
[17:30] <antnash> Just looking for a recommendation. I know what it is
[17:30] <GridCube> i never used any so .. :/
[17:31] <antnash> fair play
[17:32] <charlie-tca> All I use is sshfs-fuse
[17:33] <Unit193> antnash: There is always x11vnc :P
[17:36] <antnash> just installed it
[17:53] <ronsonol> I'm back, but Ubuntu upgrades are still rude.
[17:53] <sandra_> G'day my fellow Xubuntu inmates :-)
[17:53] <sandra_> I hope you are doing well.
[17:54] <skrite> G'day,, sandra_
[17:55] <ronsonol> Xubuntu is my preferred distro, or I wouldn't be running it.  But I wish upgrades (Ubuntu in general) would say, "you have that installed, we still have that, we'll install it again."
[17:55] <ronsonol> or "you took that out, we won't reinstall it."
[17:56] <sandra_> I was wondering if anyone here would be kind enough to tell me if the file manager Thunar has a "view tab" function as the one found in gnome nautilus ?
[17:56] <sandra_> skrite, Hello
[17:56] <skrite> there is a view menu
[17:57] <skrite> but thunar doesn't do tabs
[17:57] <ronsonol> What is for editing the menu again?
[17:57] <Sysi> thunar doesn't have tabs
[17:58] <Sysi> ronsonol: alacarte or lxmenuedit
[17:58] <ronsonol> Sysi, is one of those installed by default?
[17:59] <Sysi> no
[17:59] <sandra_> skrite,that's a pity I think a feature like that would only add needed function and help w/providing step in user friendliness
[17:59] <Sysi> for alacarte you might want to run 'apt-get --no-install-recommends alacarte'
[18:00] <ronsonol> Sysi, how's lxmenuedit?  I haven't used that.
[18:00] <Sysi> sandra_: I like my filemanager simple, tabs are just terrible. You can install nautilus and set it to be default filemanager, you may need to do some fiddling when it takes over the desktop
[18:00] <Sysi> ronsonol: neither have I
[18:01] <ronsonol> Sysi -- okay, I'll stick with alacarte.
[18:02] <ubuntu_> hi, i want to know if ican preview music files on mouse hover in xubuntu 11.10
[18:03] <sandra_> Sysi,  I don't believe tabs would complicate the Thunar file manager if anything I find the feature helpful and I believe would lend it's self to keeping it simple when moving files via thunar file manager :-)
[18:03] <sandra_> ubuntu, that's a great question
[18:04] <Sysi> sandra_: I wish I could set dolphin to open folders in new windows when middle-clicking
[18:05] <Sysi> pcmanfm has tabs and it's light, you might want to try that (and make feature request for thunar)
[18:06] <sandra_> Sysi, Yes I  find myself wishing especially when it comes to Oneiric ...the Ubuntu version is plagued w/trouble spots...and yet works well under Xfce .
[18:09] <ronsonol> Conversation just reminded me to reinstall nautilus-open-terminal.
[18:10] <ronsonol> I wonder how long it'll take me to remember all the things upgrade didn't reinstall.
[18:12] <sandra_> ronsonol, I noticed synaptic back in Xubuntu on this update.
[18:13] <ronsonol> sandra_ yeah, making considerable use of it in the first hour after upgrade.
[18:14] <sandra_> same here I'm thinking of going to a distro named Linuxmint which is based on ubuntu.
[18:14] <skrite> sandra_:  i have heard good things about mint
[18:15] <skrite> installed it for my mom :)
[18:15] <Sysi> ubuntu with restricted-extras preinstalled
[18:15] <ubuntu_> sandra_ yes linuxmint is ok for many users
[18:15] <sandra_> The current 11.10 version of ubuntu seems to be a poor showing and example of neglect .
[18:16] <ElderDryas> Having just read that LM is goint to start integrating GNOME3 into LM, I suspect they are going to go thru some growing pains in the near future...I know the LMDE versions are (having just come back to Xubuntu from it).
[18:16] <Sysi> sandra_: so mint is better because it isn't yet in version based on 11.10?
[18:17] <skrite> isn't there an xfce4 version of mint ?
[18:17] <ElderDryas> LMDE-XFCE
[18:17] <ElderDryas> based on debian, not ubuntu
[18:17] <skrite> ah
[18:17] <skrite> right
[18:17] <ronsonol> I like Xubuntu day-to-day.  Biggest problem is that Ubuntu in general needs a more polite upgrade process.
[18:17] <Sysi> don't they have versions based on both
[18:18] <ElderDryas> Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu, KMDE (XFCE and GNOME) are based on debian.
[18:18] <sandra_> ElderDryas, I wish Linuxmint would of created a xfce version based on Xubuntu.
[18:18] <skrite> ronsonol:  yeah, i do a clean install every time and still have a few surprizes
[18:18] <Sysi> ronsonol: update is pretty pain-free when you back up everything and reinstall
[18:18] <ElderDryas> er...LMDE
[18:18] <skrite> right, LMDE is rolling, right? testing?
[18:19] <sandra_> I admit the LMDXfce version isn't quiet there as far as smooth out of the box experience goes.
[18:19] <Sysi> when xubuntu didn't feel working I went to fedora
[18:19] <antnash> Ok, trying to get my vnc set up and I have no xinitrc. Have I not done something I ought to have?
[18:19] <antnash> !xinitrc
[18:19] <antnash> nothing
[18:20] <ElderDryas> sandra_: That's why I'm back here :)
[18:20] <ronsonol> I have shell scripts that call 'wipe'  If wipe is still available on upgrade, upgrade should #$%@ reinstall wipe because I had it installed.
[18:20] <sandra_> The only nagging glitch in Xubuntu is why I can't get it to default sound to my USB headset. other then that I really enjoy Xubuntu.
[18:20] <ubuntu_> in Linux Mint 11 all works fine, in LMDE nothing is ready yet because it has many problems with multimedia applications
[18:21] <Sysi> sandra_: install pavucontrol
[18:21] <ElderDryas> It is interesting to note that Xubuntu and LMDE-XFCE have different ways of making themes, importing greybird to LMDE does not show the same colors.
[18:22] <ronsonol> One nice shocker is that Sweep audio editor is working again.  Now I'm dangerous.
[18:22] <sandra_> Sysi, I did that but it seemed more like a work around to me then a good integrated solution. I wish Xubuntu would of just used Ubuntu's sound applet.
[18:22] <sandra_> ElderDryas, *chuckle* I'm using LMDXfce theme and icons on Xubuntu .
[18:23] <ElderDryas> sandra_: It appears to work better in that direction.
[18:24] <ElderDryas> Tyr this:  take greybird to LMDE and see if the panel color is the dark grey or a much lighter color?
[18:24] <sandra_> ElderDryas, I was even hoping I could just boost LMDXfce  theme and menu into Xubuntu but I don't have that kind of user experience under my belt yet .
[18:25] <ElderDryas> It's easy to import, harder to make them look the same.
[18:25] <jcerwinske> anyone running compiz on 11.10?
[18:26] <ElderDryas> Heavens No!
[18:26] <ElderDryas> !compiz
[18:26] <sandra_> I didn't know one could run compiz successfully on  Xubuntu.
[18:27] <jcerwinske> I have it running but I Can't get it to autostart with my session
[18:27] <skrite> sandra_:  sure you can, it becomes the window manager on top of the xfce4 DE
[18:27] <sandra_> then again compiz does not run smoothly on Ubuntu 11.10 either.
[18:27] <ElderDryas> The key word is "successfully"... :)
[18:27] <skrite> i like it a lot, but what the hell have they done to compiz in these last two releases?
[18:27] <jcerwinske> it runs fine other than a bad redraw flicker on 1st repaint after cube rotate
[18:28] <sandra_> skrite, how does one manage to run compiz successfully on Xubuntu ? is there a good tutorial ?
[18:28] <jcerwinske> apt-get install compiz, the compiz settings manager, and the fusion icon
[18:28] <jcerwinske> that's pretty much all there is to it...
[18:29] <skrite> yeah, or, cant you compiz —replace?
[18:29] <skrite> or is that just gnome?
[18:29] <skrite> i always used fusion-icon also
[18:29] <jcerwinske> yeah you can do that
[18:29] <babble> jcerwinske: I tried that; is there a decent window decorator for compiz that looks close enough to greybird? All I could get compiz to see installing that way was the default decorator which was, naturally, awful. heh.
[18:30] <skrite> jcerwinske:  check out emerald
[18:30] <sandra_> Okay let's all go back to windows lol my sister say's windows 7 gives her no troubles at all and runs everything ...
[18:30] <jcerwinske> I'm using greybird
[18:30] <jcerwinske> I can't get emerald to build from git this go around :(
[18:31] <skrite> it isn't in the repos?
[18:31] <ElderDryas> sandra_: yeah, it does...but Windows 8 is comming out...might as well use unity
[18:31] <skrite> unity… oh dear God
[18:32] <jcerwinske> I have gtk window decortor set, and I can use xfce4-appearance-settings to use greybird, or other xfce styles
[18:32] <sandra_> ElderDryas, My son got me started on Linux. But sister say's windows 7 works and that she has not any crashes or virus w/it...
[18:32] <jcerwinske> I like emerald though, but it's not in repo anymore
[18:32] <skrite> jcerwinske:  is there a ppa?
[18:32] <jcerwinske> not sure
[18:32] <skrite> may be because of all the compiz changes
[18:32] <sandra_> ElderDryas, Which are the common complaints I hear about windows...
[18:33] <jcerwinske> on ubuntu 11.04 I was able to check out from git and make install
[18:33] <jcerwinske> but it blows up now..
[18:33] <ElderDryas> sandra_: My youngest daughter is a windows geek (makes her living at it)...gives me all sorts of grief every time she hears me swear over the latest Linux adventure :)
[18:34] <sandra_> I down graded compiz to 0.8.6 under Ubuntu 11.04 once I did that Ubuntu 11.04 using the classic interface mode worked exceptionally well for me.
[18:34] <ElderDryas> Sometimes I think I'll just go back to Slack :(
[18:34] <babble> it's commandline BSD or it's nothing! heh.
[18:35] <skrite> i like arch
[18:35] <ElderDryas> net/open/free/dragonfly?
[18:35] <skrite> but arch is a PITA to get a software raid going on
[18:35] <ElderDryas> babble: Been there, done that, got the scars.
[18:35] <babble> ElderDryas: NetBSD in the old days; PC-BSD now when I want to torment myself.
[18:36] <babble> getting NetBSD running on an old Power Mac back in the 90's was my 'Apple is going to die any minute now' move. heh.
[18:36] <skrite> ElderDryas:  :)
[18:36] <sandra_> Then again what if Apple would sell it's OS to us PC users...have to say I do enjoy the Mac OS .
[18:36] <ElderDryas> babble: were you around for a.out->elf (I <think> it went that way)...and people think we have problems today :)
[18:36] <skrite> sandra_:  make a hackintosh
[18:37] <babble> Oh, I remember having to HAND CODE in FORTH to get OpenFirmware to boot BSD ;)
[18:37] <jcerwinske> well, I guess I will try to launch compiz with an autostart script instead of modding the xfce4-session.xml and see if that goes
[18:37] <sandra_> skrite, my son did that on his tower system but I have laptops and he say's it's more difficult to do on laptops *sigh*
[18:38] <jcerwinske> hate that solution though...
[18:38] <skrite> yeah, it would be
[18:38] <babble> sandra_: You could run Darwin with a desktop on it, if you want the OS X internals; if you want something approaching the Lion/Leopard desktop, well... heh.
[18:39] <babble> I don't think that'll happen any time soon.
[18:39] <babble> at least not while the Mac business is still profitable.
[18:40] <sandra_> babble, Mac has a excellent product I have 2 MacBook Pro's and honestly say I've never had any troubles with the Mac OS and I can understand if you control the hardware and OS it makes for less headaches.
[18:41] <babble> sandra_: Oh, I'm also a Mac user :)
[18:41] <kiichiro> Hey for some reason while trying to install java it says to check my internet connection, I'm running xubuntu 11.04
[18:41] <babble> I like Linux for particular reasons, and Macs for other, equally particular reasons.
[18:42] <kiichiro> "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata-java_2011k-0ubuntu0.11.04_all.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.188 80]"
[18:43] <sandra_> babble, I find it interesting that programs such as wine run more smoothly then they do on Linux. I think the Linux community could profit & learn from OS X
[18:43] <TheSheep> sandra_: sure, any time they open their sources we are ready to learn from them :D
[18:44] <sandra_> babble, of course I speak as a lay person in this respect. But as my 5 year old grandson say's "I may not be a expert but I can read" lol
[18:44] <TheSheep> sandra_: unless Apple sues us into oblivion for patents before that
[18:45] <TheSheep> also, I think that we should move to #xubuntu-offtopic where we can talk more freely
[18:45] <ElderDryas> Sounds like a Plan.
[18:45] <sandra_> TheSheep, I think we could benefit from how OS X aka darwin handles hardware drivers and effecient coding ...and what I mentioned about wine running well under OS X and well not so well under Linux.
[18:48] <TheSheep> I agree that making/choosing your own hardware is a great advantage, but it's currently not possible for most uses of Linux
[18:52] <sandra_> take care my fellow Xubuntu inmates .
[18:53] <sandra_> going to try Ubuntu 11.10 one more time and see if I can get it work on my laptop *crossing figners*
[18:53] <sandra_> tc gentlemen
[18:56] <jcerwinske> adding fusion-icon to autostart has made compiz automatically load on login. woohoo!
[19:04] <antnash> does anyone know why my vnc dekstop and the desktop on the actual machine would be different? And why I can't use the package manager to uninstall stuff?
[19:04] <jcerwinske> now to get lotus effing notes working :(
[19:07] <TheSheep> jcerwinske: are you kidding?
[19:07] <jcerwinske> no :(
[19:07] <jcerwinske> I wish
[19:08] <TheSheep> antnash: it probably uses a different window manager by default
[19:08] <jcerwinske> it's 32 bit deb too... succcks to get working
[19:08] <TheSheep> antnash: or maybe you connected to a wrong computer ;)
[19:08] <antnash> So xubuntu isn't just startxfce4?
[19:10] <antnash> TheSheep?
[19:11] <Sysi> startxfce4 propably loads xfce4-upstream defaults instead of xubuntu-settings
[19:12] <antnash> aha! Right, how do I make startxfce4 load xubuntu-settings?
[19:15] <antnash> Sysi?
[19:16] <Sysi> exec xubuntu-session in ~/.xinitrc and running startx might work
[19:16] <Sysi> you need to remove ~/.config/xfce4* first
[19:20] <antnash> so startx rather than startxfce4?
[19:28] <babble> sigh. launchpad, I can has build, plz?
[19:28] <babble> plz plz plz?
[19:29] <ElderDryas> All your base are belong to launchpad.
[19:32] <babble> sigh.
[19:32] <babble> I just want my thunar plugin to build. hehe.
[19:32] <babble> (Well. not *my* plugin. *a* plugin. Heh)
[19:33] <ElderDryas> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/diy-it/why-ive-finally-had-it-with-my-linux-server-and-im-moving-back-to-windows/245 :)
[19:33] <babble> heh, I was just reading SJVN's followup to that very piece.
[19:33] <babble> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linux-servers-work-just-fine/9793
[19:35] <TheSheep> ah, what a fine channel that #xubuntu-offtopic is :)
[19:36] <babble> haha, sorry ;)
[19:59] <jcerwinske> woohoo lotus notes installed and working...well enough
[20:00] <jcerwinske> my workstation is finally in working order again after 11.10 ubuntu disaster...
[20:17] <well_laid_lawn> in natty what is the fix for clicking the shutdown button and just getting logged out?
[20:18] <TheSheep> well_laid_lawn: usually you get that if you didn't start xfce from xfce-session
[20:18] <TheSheep> well_laid_lawn: or when it cannot communicate with xfce-session for other reasons
[20:18] <well_laid_lawn> TheSheep: I just lo in - I never select sessions
[20:19] <well_laid_lawn> s/lo/log/
[20:19] <cneuhaus> hi, I have just installed xfce on ubuntu11.10 using the dust theme, its perfect. only the applications-menue is always set to transparent. I have no, really no clue where to set this to normal. Any help would be great !
[20:20] <gentoo_drummer> cneuhaus: do you have issues with the font smoothing as well
[20:20] <gentoo_drummer> ?
[20:20] <TheSheep> cneuhaus: hmm. the last tab in the window manager tweaks has some transparency settings, you can try that
[20:22] <cneuhaus> no, everything looks perfect.  I tried wondow manager tweaks and window manager - no settings found for the menue-app ;-(
[20:22] <gentoo_drummer> cneuhaus: are you sure?
[20:22] <gentoo_drummer> fonts look kinda crappy on my xfce in contrast with default ubuntu/xubuntu desktops
[20:22] <gentoo_drummer> :(
[20:22] <gentoo_drummer> i did a command line installation though
[20:23] <gentoo_drummer> so no unity preinstalled
[20:23] <TheSheep> gentoo_drummer: xfce doesn't have unity
[20:23] <cneuhaus> checked again - everything is set to 0 transparency...
[20:25] <gentoo_drummer> TheSheep: yes, but when you're installing xfce on ubuntu then everything gets "screwed"
[20:25] <gentoo_drummer> there are unity like scrollbars coming out of nowwhere
[20:26] <gentoo_drummer> and other inexplicable events
[20:27] <cneuhaus> I installed xubuntu-desktop on ubuntu - everything is perfect, excpet the "transparency" - but only have this with a specific theme.
[20:27] <gentoo_drummer> cneuhaus: so you did a command line install as well?
[20:27] <jcerwinske> xfce-appearance-settings apps has let me get some nice font action
[20:28] <cneuhaus> yes, just sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop, no problem!
[20:28] <jcerwinske> Sans 10 with antiailising and 96 dpi
[20:29] <gentoo_drummer> cneuhaus: huge problem since theres 1gb of crap libs
[20:29] <gentoo_drummer> xfce = 120mb
[20:30] <cneuhaus> ok, it downloaded a lot ;-((( I was just unhappy with unity and gnome 3.
[20:31] <gentoo_drummer> me too
[20:31] <jcerwinske> ha! I just noticed the ZOMG-PONIES! notification theme
[20:31] <gentoo_drummer> but i would rather have a debian-esque experience with xfce
[20:31] <gentoo_drummer> and nice ubuntu/xubuntu fonts
[20:31] <gentoo_drummer> rather than installing tons of software
[20:32] <Sysi> you can install ubuntu fonts
[20:33] <Sysi> xubuntu uses droid sans as default
[20:33] <gentoo_drummer> i would like to install ubuntu fonts
[20:33] <gentoo_drummer> and just have them everywhere the same way their used in ubuntu
[20:33] <gentoo_drummer> eg. browser etc..
[20:34] <gentoo_drummer> eg. when i install chromium it comes with a different user experience on ubuntu with unity and a whole different one on xfce on a base ubuntu system
[20:34] <gentoo_drummer> when using the command line install method
[20:36] <cneuhaus> any idea about the transparency, how to set it for themes for the menue ???
[20:38] <jcerwinske> make sure composting is enabled
[20:40] <attar> bleh, probably the wrong place to ask but every time i install zsnes it removes mednafen, and vice versa :| anyone know how to make them play nice?
[20:41] <ElderDryas> Is there a special hand sign need to make a new Keyboard App Shortcut?  Pressing the add button brings up the dialogue box, I can enter the command, but not the shortcut key?
[20:43] <Vlyn> Help! I lost all my sound in Xubuntu :-(
[20:44] <jcerwinske> restart pulse audio?
[20:44] <Vlyn> Wine blocked my screen and I had to use a second terminal (ctrl + alt + f2) to reboot
[20:44] <Vlyn> Using Alsa
[20:44] <ElderDryas> Actually, what I really want is for my mute key to unmute (it mutes fine, but I must use the sound icon in the indicator plugin to unmute)
[20:44] <Vlyn> My sound is dead :-( even reinstalled alsa-base
[20:45] <Vlyn> And no, it’s not on mute
[20:45] <jcerwinske> elderdryas: try xfce4-settings-editor
[20:46] <jcerwinske> I used that to make keyboard shortcuts
[20:48] <ElderDryas> jcerwinske: Looking at that, but the first question still remains, am I doing something wrong or is the gui b0rked?
[20:50] <jcerwinske> I think the gui is borked if you go through settings manager
[20:50] <jcerwinske> I don't see how to add the shortcut there either
[20:50] <ElderDryas> Whew...Glad it wasn't me...this time.
[20:50] <jcerwinske> my created shortcuts do end up showing up there after I made them via the other tool
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[20:55] <Vlyn> Fuck, reinstalled Alsa-base and pulseaudio
[20:55] <Vlyn> Still doesn't work
[20:55] <Sysi> have you rebooted
[20:55] <Vlyn> Yes
[20:55] <Vlyn> And I lost my sound icon :-(
[20:56] <cneuhaus> jcerwinske: it is enabled, because I have my menue transparent - I want to get rid of this feauture , but it must somehow depent on the theme
[20:58] <Vlyn> Crap -.-
[20:59] <Vlyn> Reinstall Xubuntu because of sound? -.-
[21:02] <Vlyn> Ah seriously?
[21:02] <Vlyn> Analog Output was mute in pulseaudio -.-
[21:03] <Vlyn> And my sound icon is still gone
[21:06] <tsaavik> Sometimes my gnome-terminal sessions have a triangular 'handle' on the bottom right that I can use to re-adjust the width/height of the window. Sometimes its not there. Any idea how I can toggle that?
[21:08] <Vlyn> Seriously: How do I get my soundbar icon back?
[21:11] <well_laid_lawn> Vlyn: do you have the indicator plugin on the panel?
[21:12] <Vlyn> Mom
[21:12] <Vlyn> well_laid_lawn: yep
[21:17] <Vlyn> But there is no sound icon
[21:31] <well_laid_lawn> Vlyn: can you get any sound?
[21:32] <Vlyn> yes
[21:32] <Vlyn> But my sound notification button is gone
[21:36] <well_laid_lawn> Vlyn: what were you doing when it disappeared?
[21:37] <Vlyn> well_laid_lawn: Uhm… reinstalling alsa-base and pulseaudio
[21:37] <well_laid_lawn> something went wrong there then
[21:37] <babble> hey all: is there a preference I'm missing for Xfce to remember the last-used location in Open & Save dialogs?
[21:37] <well_laid_lawn> does alsamixer work?
[21:38] <Vlyn> mom
[21:38] <Vlyn> yeah
[21:41] <well_laid_lawn> Vlyn: what was the issue that had you reinstall alsa-base and pulse?
[21:42] <Vlyn> well_laid_lawn: No audio
[21:42] <Vlyn> In the end i saw in the pulse mixer that analog output was muted
[21:42] <Vlyn> But I used ALSA -.-
[21:42] <Vlyn> And Alsa wasn’t muted
[21:43] <well_laid_lawn> did you have the sound icon in the panel before?
[21:45] <Vlyn> Sure
[21:52] <Vlyn> Gnah!
[21:52] <well_laid_lawn> try restarting the panel
[21:54] <Vlyn> done
[21:54] <Vlyn> no change
[21:54] <Vlyn> I also installed the indicator-sound app
[21:54] <Vlyn> but no change
[21:54] <Vlyn> I’ll just use the mixer icon
[21:55] <Vlyn> It’s not the best solution, but okay
[22:15] <antnash> anyone here use tightvnc server? I'm getting a not authorized error when I try and shut the remote machine down
[22:16] <bazhang> antnash, please dont crosspost in multiple ubuntu channels
[22:16] <antnash> oh. Sorry  dude