[06:27] <HazRPG> hey guys \o
[06:31] <HazRPG> anyone know if you need to update to 11.04 before being able to update to 11.10?
[06:31] <HazRPG> since the update manager is still showing 11.04, not 11.10 yet...
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> if you're on 10.10, yes
[06:31] <HazRPG> ah
[06:32] <HazRPG> fair enough ^_^
[06:32] <MartijnVdS> Upgrades only work if you don't skip a version, or from LTS to LTS
[06:32] <HazRPG> makes sense :)
[06:32] <MartijnVdS> A day of upgrading ahead of you :)
[06:32] <HazRPG> indeed!
[06:33] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: However I have work today... so can't really do it till I get home @ 7pm.
[06:47] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: how's things you with anyways dude? Long time no speak :)
[07:41] <daubers> Morning
[07:45] <dutchie> lo daubers
[07:45] <daubers> It's cold today :(
[07:52]  * daubers makes a cuppa
[07:53] <HazRPG> daubers: morning :)
[07:53] <HazRPG> been cold up here for the last week :(
[08:04] <daubers> Well if will live up north
[08:06] <daubers> Hmmm... minecraft appears to be broken
[08:10] <HazRPG> indeed
[08:10] <HazRPG> right off to work I go
[08:10] <HazRPG> \o
[08:16]  * daubers heads into town before going into work
[08:26] <popey> morning all
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: just came back from a run.. and it's COLD outside here too
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: though 3°C isn't too bad after 3km
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[08:38] <dwatkins> hi folks
[08:38] <dwatkins> It's much warmer in Yorkshire than in Edinburgh.
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> that's because it's further south
[08:41] <dwatkins> indeed, MartijnVdS
[08:41] <dwatkins> I drove down last night, the difference is quite clear
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> also, it's not Scotland. That helps.
[08:41] <dwatkins> now now ;)
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> Time to go buy some food for the week
[08:56] <denny> heyla
[08:58] <popey> hello denny
[08:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:59] <denny> are there any known gotchas when installing Flash on a new 64-bit 11.10 system?  I went through the 'manual install' process, which used the software centre, restarted firefox but it still hasn't picked it up...
[08:59] <denny> software centre says it installed okay
[09:00] <denny> firefox still says 'you need a plugin'
[09:02] <denny> aha
[09:02] <denny> "For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Flash"
[09:02] <popey> hahah
[09:02] <dwatkins> What version did you have, denny?
[09:02] <popey> "For your sanity, Firefox has disabled this crappy browser plugin"
[09:02] <denny> unfortunately, the 'outdated' version is the version that adobe ship
[09:03] <dwatkins> That doesn't make any sense.
[09:03] <denny> indeed.
[09:04] <denny> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ has the 'disabled' message and a link to update, the link takes me to the page on Adobe's site that I just installed via
[09:05] <denny> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ <- yonder
[09:05] <denny> hrm
[09:05] <popey>  why did  you install it from adobe.com?
[09:05] <popey> why not use the ubuntu package?
[09:06] <denny> (a) couldn't find it, and (b) followed the links I was presented with like a good little boy
[09:06] <brobostigon> installing the package flashplugin-intaller, might have been better, as it keeps you upto date, whereas your manual install, you will need to check, and update it manually, and potentially be out of date.
[09:06] <denny> it was installed via software centre, via a 'oneiric partner', i.e. adobe
[09:08]  * denny eyes the software centre.  Top of page "Adobe Flash Player plugin version 10", bottom of page (reviews) "For this version (11.0.1.152)"
[09:09] <brobostigon> !info flashplugin-installer
[09:09] <lubotu3`> flashplugin-installer (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 11.0.1.152ubuntu0.11.04.1 (natty), package size 8 kB, installed size 184 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia)
[09:09]  * denny uninstalls it
[09:09] <brobostigon> !info flashplugin-installer unstable
[09:09] <lubotu3`> Package flashplugin-installer does not exist in unstable
[09:10] <gordonjcp> denny: which links you were presented with?
[09:10] <gordonjcp> denny: flashplugin-installer is certainly what you want
[09:10] <dwatkins> I thought there was the option to install flash player with the OS as well as the mp3 codecs etc.
[09:10] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: there is, I did it yesterday
[09:11] <denny> gordonjcp:  okay, so I'm viewing this page: http://cleartones.net/
[09:11] <gordonjcp> denny: installing things without the proper package - on any distro, not just Ubuntu - is a fairly bad idea
[09:11] <denny> I click on one of the play icons, and it pops up the top of page toolbar which says you need a plugin, would you like to search for it
[09:11] <gordonjcp> denny: which has absolutely naff all to do with Ubuntu
[09:11] <denny> gordonjcp:  did you hear me repeatedly say I installed via the Ubuntu software centre from an Ubuntu software partner?
[09:12]  * dwatkins clicks the option to install flash in firefox and wonders what he's let himself in for
[09:12] <dwatkins> so there are at least three ways to install it in Ubuntu?
[09:13] <gordonjcp> denny: oh, I missed the bit where you said you're running 64-bit.  You're boned.
[09:13] <gordonjcp> don't run 64-bit
[09:13] <denny> :-p
[09:13] <gordonjcp> you don't need it
[09:13] <denny> thanks
[09:13] <denny> does anyone have any other advice?
[09:13] <gordonjcp> nothing works properly in 64-bit, it's a waste of time
[09:14] <denny> does anyone else have any other advice?
[09:14] <gordonjcp> x86_64 was the single stupidest decision the computer industry ever made
[09:14] <denny> flash worked perfectly well on my 64 bit 10.04 system
[09:14] <gordonjcp> i386 is dead, let it die peacefully and move onto a new architecture
[09:14] <denny> well.  As well as Flash ever works.
[09:14] <gordonjcp> but oh no, Intel has to flog an inch or two further out of that particular dead horse
[09:15] <gordonjcp> and don't think Apple is going to save you, because they've fallen into the same trap of using cheap obsolete hardware
[09:16]  * denny installs the -installer thing from the software centre instead
[09:16] <denny> tra la la
[09:16] <denny> yay, that worked
[09:17] <brobostigon> as it should.
[09:17] <denny> okay, so the route a user is lead through by the hand, including connecting to an official Ubuntu software partner, does not work
[09:17] <denny> I should probably file a bug somewhere?
[09:19] <denny> after all that, I don't think I like the cleartones enough to pay for them  :)
[09:19] <kvarley> Does anybody know where cookies are stored in Ubuntu? Is it browser specific?
[09:20] <brobostigon> kvarley: yes, it depends on the browser, as to the place.
[09:20] <kvarley> Know where midori stores them?
[09:21] <brobostigon> sorry, no.
[09:21] <brobostigon> kvarley: it might tell you in its cookie prefs.
[09:22] <kvarley> brobostigon: No problem, thanks for the help =)
[09:23] <brobostigon> kvarley: :)
[09:46] <nperry> Can i perform multiple commands in irssi?
[09:47] <nperry> Want to send two commands when I join..
[09:47] <nperry> a server, got autosendcmd set at the moment.
[10:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:05] <daubers> lo
[10:06] <daubers> Why is it that the minecraft login stuff always breaks when I have time to play it!
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> it's trying to tell you something
[10:21] <daubers> That I shouldn't be in work waiting for someone to turn up who's just rang telling me he'll be 30 minutes late?
[10:23] <popey> heh
[10:23] <czajkowski> there is a bacon sandwich being made for me
[10:23] <czajkowski> this is the life
[10:42] <AlanBell> choo choo
[11:05] <popey> daubers: its back
[11:09] <daubers> popey: yay!
[11:09] <daubers> popey: just as the engineer is due
[11:12] <popey> heh
[11:15] <KrimZon_2> does anyone know how to add a new mime-type in ubuntu?
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> What's the problem you're trying to solve?
[11:16] <KrimZon_2> I need to get bluefish to detect QuakeC files as QuakeC rather than plain text or C
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> shouldn't you just configure bluefish then?>
[11:16] <KrimZon_2> I configured it to detect text/x-quakec
[11:17] <KrimZon_2> now I need to add text/x-quakec to the o/s
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> I mean.. I can teach vim to switch file types based on extension and/or the first few lines of content
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon_2: there isn't one central MIME type registry, there are several
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon_2: best guess is /etc/mailcap
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> or /etc/mime.types
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon_2: check /usr/share/doc/mime-support/ for documentation
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> what.. that doesn't have much
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> KrimZon_2: check the "update-mime" manual page
[11:22] <KrimZon_2> are mime types supposed to be "the proper way" of detecting file types?
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> Only if the transport supports them
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> i.e. HTTP, email, etc.
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> when it's on your disk, it's extension and maybe some heuristics based on content
[11:23] <KrimZon_2> actually
[11:24] <KrimZon_2> since I never edit C in bluefish, I'll just hack the C file instead
[11:24] <KrimZon_2> otherwise this'll become a massive distraction
[11:28] <scoundrel50a> just th9ught I would let you know, got the mifi dongle from 3, charged it, and connected my Galaxy Tab straight away.....have yet to go out into the middle of London to try it, but it works at home and in the street outside
[11:28] <scoundrel50a> it seems quite fast too
[11:29] <scoundrel50a> my ubuntu laptops connected ok too.....thing I noticed though, I am not sure how long the battery life is, would anybody know?
[11:34] <czajkowski>  /c
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> mifi battery life? several hours connected?
[11:51] <_jane> I started Ubuntu 11.10 but the GUI would not load.
[11:52] <_jane> So I login and via command line startx and it loaded the GUI without problems.
[11:53] <_jane> I can do this now everytime but I rather prefere to start x straight away
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> How long did you wait before concluding it didn't load? Does it show the login screen or does it stop working after you log in?
[12:01] <_jane> I waited 1-2 min(maybe to less?). It didn't displayed a login screen so I went for the terminal
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> Did you install 11.10 cleanly, or did you upgrade from an earlier version of Ubuntu?
[12:01] <_jane> No, it worked fine after I logged in via the terminal
[12:01] <_jane> I upgraded
[12:02] <czajkowski> dear VLC stop hogging 70% of my cpu and stopping sound mid way
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> _jane: Do you know what kind of graphics chipset you have?
[12:03] <gord> sounds like lightdm might be a little bit broken
[12:04] <gord> switching to gdm might fix it if no one else finds a solution, don't have the command on me though and heading out, dpkg-update-alternatives or something like that ;)
[12:04]  * MartijnVdS doesn't know a thing about lightdm
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> "dpkg-reconfigure gdm" should do it
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> it asks which one you want by default
[12:06] <_jane> gord & MartijnVdS thanks for your assistents. That gives me some directions
[13:28] <daubers> Right!
[13:28] <daubers> Now I can go home
[14:22] <Laney> that'll do pig
[14:28] <daubers> home!
[14:36] <tonto2k> #ac100
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> tonto2k: that's a shade of green :)
[17:45] <Amdpc> Hi....In Cheese Webcam viewer , When I start the video recording,It hangs and becomes unresponsive....Any ideas why so ? Ny one of you facing the same problem ?
[17:49] <popey> Amdpc: i have never found cheese very good for video
[17:49] <Amdpc> popey : So which web cam viewer would you prefer ?
[17:50] <popey> i dont record video from my webcam
[17:50] <popey> ony stills
[17:50] <Amdpc> Do you know any to record videos and is stable ?
[17:50] <Amdpc> web cam viewer*
[17:51] <popey> I'd probably use ffmpeg
[17:52] <Amdpc> Is WINff and ffmpeg same thing ?
[17:52] <popey> no
[17:52] <popey> winff is a frontend for ffmpeg
[17:56] <Amdpc> popey : Thanks :)
[17:57]  * bigcalm escapes the Strictly Come Dancing!
[17:59] <popey> heh
[18:06] <gord> the really crappy thing about having uds t-shirts its it that it carts pretty well how much weight you have gained with date stamps and everything
[18:09] <mgdm> heh heh
[18:20] <daubers> If anyone wants a bit of a saturday evening oddness, dig out "Mr.B The Gentleman Rhymer" on Spotify
[18:20] <daubers> (http://open.spotify.com/user/daubers/playlist/2cNov6EMhUZL1zS6yNeL1h)
[18:23] <Myrtti> why does chicken tikka masala and korma taste so different depending on where you get it from
[18:23] <Myrtti> annoying
[18:23] <Myrtti> it's like a russian roulette
[18:24] <AlanBell> want a chicken?
[18:24] <Myrtti> at one place you get a nice smooth dish that isn't too sweet, and in the other you get something that can be only described as chicken in a coconut/almond dessert paste
[18:25] <Myrtti> AlanBell: nah, I wouldn't have heart to chop it
[18:27] <AlanBell> I think specky and I will be taking a trip to theopensoucerer and only one of us will come back
[18:27] <Myrtti> or both of you will, but the other will be in a pot
[18:28] <Myrtti> or in your tummy
[18:28] <AlanBell> must look up a plucking HOWTO
[18:28] <Myrtti> I think I remember seeing something about blanching in hot water
[18:28] <Myrtti> could be wrong
[18:29] <AlanBell> also wonder how you take the poo out
[18:29] <Laney> egg on pizza: when to add?
[18:30] <Myrtti> ha, judging from google results I was right
[18:31] <Myrtti> I amaze myself with my amount of knowledge of absolutely useless stuff
[19:03] <popey> Laney: never cooked one with an egg on it, ate them
[19:03] <popey> they only take what 12 mins to gook anyway
[19:03] <popey> er cook
[19:04] <popey> so I'd imagine just before you put it in the oven
[19:06] <popey> AlanBell: we should start planning 12.04 release party
[19:06] <popey> s/party/event/
[19:06] <Laney> internets suggests a bit before the end of cooking
[19:07] <popey> blimey
[19:07] <popey> hmm, i guess an egg doesnt take long in a hot oven
[19:08] <AlanBell>  popey: I have :)
[19:09] <popey> yay
[19:09] <popey> o_O
[19:09] <daubers> The channels gained sentience!!!
[19:10] <daubers> WE'RE ALL DOOMED!
[19:10] <daubers> Few!
[19:10] <daubers> Normality returns
[19:14] <Laney> hah, no room for an egg anyway
[19:14] <Laney> excess veg
[19:15] <DJones> Laney: You can put veg on a pizza? No way, pizza is cheese & meat
[19:15] <bigcalm> As in a scrambled egg? Or just break one over the top of a pizza?
[19:15] <Laney> you just crack it on top
[19:15] <bigcalm> We had oven pizza tonight but I'm still hungry :(
[19:15] <Laney> baked egg
[19:15] <bigcalm> Laney: how would you prepare the egg?
[19:16] <Laney> you wouldn't, just put it on there
[19:31] <nperry> Urrrrmmm, is there a way of connecting using rdesktop to a computer that at the moment i only have ssh access to
[19:32] <AlanBell> nperry: yes, you can map a port
[19:32] <AlanBell> not sure offhand what the rdesktop port is
[19:33] <nperry> Google suggested doing "gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/remote_access/enabled true"
[19:33] <AlanBell> http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-use-ssh-local-and-remote-port-forwarding.html
[19:33] <nperry> But doesn't enable it//
[19:34] <AlanBell> oh, I see, so you want to turn on remote access, that isn't rdesktop it is VNC
[19:49] <DJones> Anybody any idea how to force update manager to require you to authenticate before installing updates, the last 2 times its notified me of updates, its installed them without prompting for a password
[19:56] <diplo> Only time i get that DJones is if i have authed recently
[19:57] <DJones> diplo: This is at least 6 hours since the last authentication, probably longer
[19:58] <diplo> Not had that, doing it on the cmd line same result ?
[19:59] <DJones> Not tried that yet, I'll have to try & remember next time I get updates
[20:42] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:44] <AlanBell> ehlo
[20:47] <gord> just found out the hard way that my banks hold music consists of two songs, each 60 seconds long that repeat. i know because i was so bored that i timed them
[20:49] <czajkowski> gord: you have to get out more
[20:49] <czajkowski> watching Die hard 1
[20:49] <czajkowski> and all I can do is keep reapeating the famous line now
[20:50] <AlanBell> life of brian is on apparently
[20:50] <mgdm> michael@ganymede:pecl-cairo% man overboard
[20:50] <mgdm> No manual entry for overboard
[20:50] <mgdm> :(
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> time to make one
[21:19] <czajkowski> god how I hate Gimp
[21:19] <AlanBell> I love the Gimp
[21:20] <mgdm> I think I'm going to like the new single-window interface it's getting
[21:21] <AlanBell> it is the one application that makes sense in the unity alt-tab scheme
[21:21] <mgdm> I've not tried it, but is that anything like the Mac OS X alt-tab scheme?
[21:22] <mgdm> I don't like that all that much, but at least I can use it
[21:23] <AlanBell> I have not tried alt-tab on a mac
[21:24] <mgdm> it switches between apps
[21:24] <AlanBell> you basically now switch between applications rather than windows
[21:25] <mgdm> then alt-` switches between windows in those apps
[21:25] <AlanBell> so it raises all windows of a particular types
[21:25] <AlanBell> yeah, alt+` does switching between windows of one app
[21:25] <mgdm> ah
[21:25] <mgdm> I will try tomorrow
[21:26] <mgdm> in a VM, so I don't break my working environment
[21:26] <AlanBell> just alt-tab on its own doesn't seem to deterministically switch between two windows of different apps wihout messing with the z-order of everything else
[21:27] <mgdm> bah
[21:29] <mgdm> Been working on reskinning my website. AGAIN. Keep losing motivation as soon as I look at the CSS...
[21:34] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/LastMeeting minutes done
[22:52] <siya> odd behaviour
[22:52] <siya> issue with realtek r8168 driver
[22:52] <siya> when link goes up or down I get two notifications
[22:53] <siya> I also don't seem to get connected properly
[22:53] <siya> link comes up but can't ping
[22:57] <penguin42> wth did the font background colour button go in LO
[23:27] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Community Survey Now Closed, Report In Progress - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/22/ubuntu-community-survey-now-closed-report-in-progress/
[23:49] <penguin42> hmm - I didn't realise there was an ubuntu community survey
[23:58] <Myrtti> penguin42: was open for Ubuntu members