[00:59] sigh. [00:59] ? [00:59] why do I persist in trying to make myself like KDE4? [00:59] babble, i don't know, qt is pretty awful [00:59] * GridCube OPINIONS [01:00] every time I think I should give it a try again and live with it for a few days, I end up saying pretty much the same thing. [01:01] :P [01:01] hehe [01:01] its ok :D thats the nic thing about linux, you have pleny of options [01:02] my keyboard batteries are running out and some letters dont gt send [01:02] XD [01:02] oh, I like options, but I'm fiddly :) [01:02] heh [01:03] one of the things l *like* about Xfce so far is that - like GnomeOld - it's pared the user-exposed options down to a really sensible set, but you can easily get under the hood and play with it [01:08] :) [01:10] oooh, yay, the U1 indicator runs in Xub* :) [01:36] hey, I think this source package actually built. Heh. It's the small things, for me. [01:37] AND IT RUNS! [01:37] woot! [01:37] am. so. making. PPA. [02:26] ok, grrrrrrrrr. [02:26] I must be a total n00b, I can NOT work out how to get this republished to LP. [02:27] trying to publish this branch with bzr keeps giving me a public key error, BUT my key is already posted to LaunchPad. [02:27] what on EARTH am I doing wrong? [02:30] !bzr [02:30] bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model. See http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/ for a quickstart guide. [02:30] Take alook at the mini guide [02:31] yeah, I'm digging through the manpage, but not finding anything for resolving a key issue. [02:31] grr. lemme dig [02:32] Also may want to try #launchpad [02:32] oooh, good idea :) thanks [02:45] oooh, rawk. [02:46] it looks like it just published :) [02:46] huzzah! [02:46] hehhe [04:50] https://plus.google.com/u/0/104777644685667373488/posts/jPyhGpMGTcM [06:35] someone please help me [06:35] my sound just died [06:35] completely [06:36] i rebooted and still have no sound [06:36] it was working fine yesterday and i havent changed anything [06:36] xubuntu 11.10 [06:38] ok, found it - i removed the indicator plugin and used xfce4 mixer plugin but somehow the sound was muted and could only be unmuted by the indicator plugin [07:14] How do you get rid of that annoying notification feature where they pop up in little black boxes? DRives me crazy every time I get an im or something lol [07:16] snark: there's the notification config in the system settings [07:17] Can I do it from xfce via the xfce settings manager/editor ? [07:17] I looked around int here for it to no avail [07:17] yep [07:19] uncheck the show notifications checkbox [07:20] Do you know what sub section its in? I think I'm just having a retarded moment, but I can't seem to locate it. [07:23] I have a notification icon in the settings window which opens the config for the notifications [07:24] Hrm, thats odd. Definitely not in mine. [07:25] menu-settings-settings manager-notifications [07:25] Oh yeah I get what you're saying, its just not in there. [07:26] I'm suprised at that [07:26] Me too haha [07:26] you have the notifications so there should be the config [07:27] try in a terminal xfce4-notifyd-config [07:27] But yeah it just goes from mouse to panel, definitely no notifications in there. I'm gonna make a forum post and see if someone knows what might be going on, or if they know how to just edit the config file manually [07:27] kk [07:27] !tab [07:27] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [07:28] Hey, look at that. It sais its not installed, but it gave me the package name to install. [07:29] I wonder why it was missed? [07:29] IDK, I've done a lot of random experimentation though. Could've been a victim of some of my messing around [07:30] heh well you know how to get it [07:31] XD Yeah. Should be solved now. I appreciate the help man. [07:31] cheers [09:39] my mouse pointer has become invisible, I can click stuff but I can't see it...it is visible when it's over a textbox though, any tips? [09:40] log out and back in or reboot, if you didn't do that yet [09:40] I did try that already [09:41] Hello everyone.. I have installed XFCE on a clean Ubuntu system using the command line installation method and the fonts are no where near on the xubuntu appearance side. Could someone tell me how xubuntu patches the fonts or the configuration used? [09:42] for what I know, it doesn't [09:42] droid font with slight antialiasing iirc, rgb-mode [09:43] iirc? [09:43] if I remember/recall correctly [09:43] :P [09:44] come on guys I need help [09:44] is xfdesktop running? [09:45] my mouse pointer works when it's over a textbox, like the | cursor, but the regular pointer is invisible [09:45] so I would assume yes it's running [09:46] do you have icons on the desktop? [09:46] yeah [09:47] k it's running - that was my guess about it [09:47] what have you done lately system wise? [09:49] I tried to remove the avahi notification after logging in by editing /etc/default/avahi-daemon, I changed AVAHI_DAEMON_DETECT_LOCAL to 0 [09:49] I changed it back to 1 already, but that didn't bring mouse back [09:51] it would be hard to accept editing that config would kill the mouse cursor [09:51] something else must have happened [09:51] yeah that's what I am thinking too [09:51] try a new session' [09:52] are you using custom mouse theme? [09:52] I have a clean xubuntu 11.10 installation, with updates applied and few standard apps installed (like libreoffice), everything is pretty much default settings [09:52] nvidia driver? [09:52] or ati [09:52] ati [09:52] propietary one? from Additional drivers [09:52] no [09:53] should I try that? [09:56] the mouse is a standard PS/2 optical mouse, should be pretty basic stuff [09:57] it says propriatery drivers aren't available [10:00] tried to change my mouse pointer theme, same problem still [10:09] <_maddy> getting closer to the problem, I changed my mouse theme to red cursor now [10:10] <_maddy> it's red on some programs (like firefox), but the default white on other programs and desktop...could this be related to GTK2 / GTK3? [10:12] gksudo mousepad /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme [10:13] change mouse theme there, you can check theme names in /usr/share/icons/ folder, by default there are DMZ:s and some glass-themes [10:14] <_maddy> so I can set the default theme there [10:14] <_maddy> it's DMZ-white by default [10:14] there's bug in chaging theme from GUI [10:14] you need to relogin after editing that file [10:15] <_maddy> ok...still doesn't bring me any closer of the problem, why my mouse cursor sometimes goes invisible (right now it works again) [10:45] <_maddy> I think I need to disable HWcursor in xorg.conf, any tips on how to create one? [10:46] <_maddy> "sudo Xorg -configure" says Server is already active for display 0 [10:47] you need to do that on virtual console, and stop lightdm/xorg [10:48] <_maddy> hmm, how to do that? [10:50] ctrl alt F6, login, sudo service lightdm stop (not sure about that) sudo Xorg -configure, sudo service lightdm start and maybe ctrl alt F7 [10:52] <_maddy> actually I just need to add one section to the xorg.conf, I could do that manually if I knew the identifier and driver of my vga card [10:52] identifier propably is just Device0 check driver with lspci -k [10:59] <_maddy> can I check somehow that my xorg.conf is valid and doesn't contain errors? [11:01] <_maddy> think I'll just try rebooting then [11:08] Hello. [11:15] Hello [11:21] hey does anyone got xubuntu working on a system that uses efi? i have a lenovo, and it installs fine however it doesnt start the bootload grub after install [11:22] also this damn lenovo has no legacy mode to switch to disable efi [11:23] How much ram do you have? [11:24] afaik it was 4 gb [11:25] @ baws yes it is 4 rechecked it.. [11:25] I had xubuntu working on a macbook just fine [11:26] both with refit and alone [11:26] nice.. it seems to be a lenovo related bug which happens one several lenovos.. that simply dont find the bootloader [11:27] i want to completely remove windows so no dual boot necassary [11:28] the only work around i see is maybe to install the bootloader on a sdcard and let it inside the nb, this is really uncool but i see no other way with this crappy lenovo bios [11:37] Pay: you can try with refit maybe [11:38] never used it i will check it out thx [11:50] is there a way to choose the user and the session/desktop environment from the yaboot (or similar) prompts? [12:26] xubuntu packages are ubuntu packages? [12:27] can I develop with xubuntu and use an ubuntu server and know that they will be compatible? [12:27] what do you mean by "compatible"? [12:27] what are you "developing" in? [12:28] TheSheep: I have an ubuntu server and I'm developing on an ubuntu desktop of the same version [12:28] ubuntu apps = xubuntu apps [12:28] I know that all debs will be the same (except for desktop specific debs) [12:28] Sysi: same versions? 11.04, 11.10... ? [12:29] bencc: "developing" [12:29] bencc: what do you mean by that? [12:29] anyone know how to get a caps lock indicator on the panel [12:30] bencc: what language/runtime environment/etc. [12:30] TheSheep: does it matters? it can be python, php, erlang... [12:30] this is ridiculo9us [12:31] caps lock indicator is basic [12:31] bencc: ok, so it's nothing binary [12:31] TheSheep: what do you mean by binary? c? [12:31] bencc: as long as you properly indicate all the dependencies for your applications, it should be no problem [12:32] Xfce currently has no native panel plugin for displaying the lock keys."" [12:32] bencc: it may happen, that you are using something that is installed in xubuntu by default, but it's not there in ubuntu server -- then it has to be installed with your application [12:32] rhin0: awesome. can we help you? [12:33] TheSheep: it can happen with ubuntu-desktop as well. What I'm asking is if xubuntu and ubuntu are the same except for the UI it it seems they are [12:34] bencc: yes, the basic system is the same, they only differ in the desktop environment and the set of applications and libraries installed by default [12:34] bencc: so, as long as your applications don't tie deeply into the internals of the desktop environment, you should be fine [12:35] cool [12:35] and they have the same release and support cycle? [12:36] bencc: xubuntu doesn't have official support [12:48] anhyone know how to get a caps lock indicator applet in xubuntu 11.10 [12:51] there is no caps lock indicator applet in xubuntu 11.10 [12:51] how can you use it on many machines [12:51] without the little light -- numerous machines dont' have htem [12:51] so ... [12:51] I just disable caps lock completely and use it as a compose key [12:52] it's useless anyways [13:06] I logged in in Xfce mode once to check it out, then I restarted. When I logged in Xubuntu mode again, the font antialiasing looks blurry and the all the default themes aren't working right -changing the theme only changes the title bar and window color, while it used to change the whole shape of the window and title bar. What's wrong?? [13:06] thesheep its not useless if you use it -- it's useless to you becaus you don't use it .. some people do [13:06] habit [13:07] its handy === psycho_oreos is now known as hatake_kakashi [13:38] hi! I got sick of KDE and just switched to xubuntu. Need some help: How can I switch ctrl and caps lock? [13:38] I mean swap ctrl and caps lock [13:40] mmm [13:43] ok [13:43] mki, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=188761 [13:43] giving up on xubuntu ---- no caps lock indicator [13:43] rhin0, ? [13:43] wahts the flaming poing [13:44] rhin0, ? [13:44] * rhin0 wails [13:44] whats the problem? [13:45] can't get can't get caps lock indictoar in panel [13:45] there is none [13:45] its impossibel [13:45] nobody can get a caps lock indictoar on xfce [13:45] so . [13:45] rhin0, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/indicator-keylock-ubuntu/ [13:47] looking [13:48] GridCube: Thanks. But I only want to swap Ctrl + Caps lock, and a compose key on the ><-key. In KDE i only had to tick two boxes in the keyboard configuration menu. Is there a fast way to do this in xfce? [13:48] Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsbarnes/indicator-keylock/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [13:49] mmm [13:49] i dont know mki :( [13:49] rhin0, let me do some more research please [13:50] im wondering if I have to download the source etc [13:50] * rhin0 butts wall [13:50] GridCube: ok thanks anyway [13:50] ok ty ty ty GridCube [13:51] http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsbarnes/indicator-keylock-daily/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/binary-i386/ <- package appears to be available here [14:07] It's the command 'setxkbmap -option "ctrl:swapcaps compose:102"' i need. Is there a way to autostart it after login into xfce? [14:10] syes [14:11] on >configuration >session and startup >autostart of applications [14:11] ok thanks trying... [14:12] GridCube: -- launched thread -- nothing works http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11379528#post11379528 [14:13] rhin0, im trying === hatake_kakashi is now known as psycho_oreos [14:29] rhin0, :) still working on it [14:30] ah ta -- http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=146102 <- going through this -- have "indicator plugin" on right click on panel but it's un highlighted - don't even know where that leadds to caps lock indicator [14:30] i've compiled it I think for 64 bit [14:40] hrm; can I run the Unity/Ubuntu keyboard layout plugin in Xubuntu? [14:40] hi all [14:40] (appindicator/panel plugin/you know what I mean...) [14:41] After a fresh install of 11.10, I've noticed that my sound icon on the indicator plugin, after muting, will not unmute. Is this a result of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/877455 ? [14:41] Launchpad bug 852017 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #877455 xfce4-indicator-plugin does not update output" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:49] seems the 'software center' only shows me packages for graphical applications. how do get the full package list (containing packages like 'vim' for command line)? [14:50] synaptic [14:50] ah its 'technical' items... strange [14:51] mki: both will work, I find it's easier to use synaptic. [14:51] the rhythmbox icon in the tray or notification area (up there) is no where to be found. i have the "rhythmbox-plugins" package installed, yet the "Status Icon" is not in the plugin list [14:51] serfus: It's not there :( [14:52] according to the package description it should be [14:52] if you also notice, they've (the infamous they) have gotten rid of the streaming radio capability also. [14:52] serfus: I know, but Mark knows best. [14:52] so it's not available at all? [14:52] that sucks.... [14:53] Not to my knowledge, and believe me, I've tried. [14:53] ElderDryas: Thanks will try this [14:53] * serfus is going to file a bug [14:53] hope someone will figure it out [14:53] Maybe they think if the gut rhythmbox, it will make banshee look better? [14:54] that's sad... i like rhythmbox better then banshee [14:55] rhythmbox is simple...banshee is am overcomplicated mess (imo) [14:57] i'm with you ElderDryas :) [14:57] rhin0, :( im sorry there is no easy way of doing this [14:59] rhin0, will add this as a request for the next release of xubuntu, be sure of that [14:59] what do I do for several months [14:59] :( [14:59] i'm sorry but i can not do anything, im trying to compile that applet now [15:00] i'll get onto it also [15:00] is there a way to set my default save location for open & save dialogs in Xubuntu 11.10? [15:00] (if it's a gtk/gconf setting, is it buried in one of the schemas?) [15:00] babble, on what program? [15:01] GridCube: ideally, I'd like to set a systemwide default, as some apps (I think gtk3? apps, but I'm not certain) are defaulting to the 'recently used' search, which is annoying) [15:01] hi, how do you edit application menu? (Would like to see/read program paths) [15:01] some apps remember my last opened location, but nothing does the same for *every* app. [15:01] i.e. I could live with everything defaulting to home, if it's consistent [15:02] nikolam, i dont think you can do that on xfce, you can try using alacarte [15:02] !alacarte [15:02] mmm [15:02] !allacarte [15:02] I just started something called 'menueditor' I guess it is Gnome part. [15:03] !info alacarte [15:03] alacarte (source: alacarte): easy GNOME menu editing tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13.2-2ubuntu3 (oneiric), package size 52 kB, installed size 348 kB [15:03] there [15:03] yes thats it. [15:03] (alacarte will install a ton of Gnome/Unity dependencies by itself, unless you choose --no-install-recommends, BUT... [15:04] Also I have some trouble with what seems that ssytem locles are uninstalled somehow [15:04] I can edit menu ITEMS, but not menu groups or separators in Alacarte on 11.10) [15:04] nikolam: IIRC menueditor wont work, it's just there because the SC need s it [15:04] (process:10355): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. [15:04] Using the fallback 'C' locale. [15:04] I see ElderDryas [15:04] I have some problem configuring xorg.conf, please someone can look a moment at this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/716047 [15:04] nikolam: This is mopnths old memory, I could be wrong [15:04] what is the default media player of xfce? [15:05] it works as well as LDME (i.e. it can tick items on or off for you, and you can make new launchers/rearrange existing launchers or put them in additional or different menu groups) [15:05] gmusicbrowser and parole [15:05] but given that Alacarte has no functionality OVER LDME, I just use LDME :) [15:06] serfus: you mean xfce or xubuntu? [15:06] serfus, xubuntu's is parole [15:06] !parole [15:07] !info parole [15:07] parole (source: parole): media player based on GStreamer framework. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.0.6-1 (oneiric), package size 334 kB, installed size 1308 kB [15:07] After a fresh install of 11.10, I've noticed that my sound icon on the indicator plugin, after muting, will not unmute. Is this a result of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/877455 ? [15:07] Launchpad bug 852017 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #877455 xfce4-indicator-plugin does not update output" [Medium,Confirmed] [15:08] I also found something called edubuntu-menueditor Description sounds promising for managing menus for multiple users. [15:08] oh, that, hehe. I'm digging in the parole code - is there any easy-to-enable switch that looks sort of like Totem's 'hide controls' view? (Totem collapses controls and the playlist leaving you with just a titlebar and your playing video - I use it to watch videos but leave my panels visible) [15:08] nikolam: If you're up for some work: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu [15:09] hi speak in spanish? [15:09] !es | dbertua [15:09] shouldn't xfce and xubuntu be the same? [15:09] dbertua: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #xubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #xubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [15:09] babble: If you find out how, let me know...that's the one thing I don't like about parole. [15:09] serfus: nope [15:10] i'v installed the xfce meta package, not xubuntu-desktop [15:10] so what do i use? [15:10] installing xubuntu 11.10 [15:10] serfus, ubuntu with xfce [15:10] xfce is a DE and xubuntu is a distro, like xfce is a Ford and xubuntu is a Mustang [15:10] i use kubuntu 11.10 [15:10] ElderDryas, I also tried compiling xfce-menu-edit on 10.04 LTS but some library problems arised: http://xfcemenuedit.mon-asso.org/index.en.html [15:11] dbertua, :) si queres ayuda yo estoy en #xubuntu-es y en #ubuntu-es [15:11] right, so in multimedia i can't see any specific media player [15:11] serfus, then we can not help you [15:11] you need to install xubuntu-desktop [15:11] not searching help, just advice :) [15:12] i don't want it [15:12] dbertua, or #kubuntu [15:12] it messes up the system, while other users on this machine don't use xfce [15:12] sudo apt-get install parole [15:13] is it similar to rhythmbox? [15:13] nope [15:13] serfus, gmusicbrowser is the default media player (not video) [15:13] you know whats symilar to rhythmbox? [15:14] sudo apt-get install rhythmbox [15:14] GridCube, please tell [15:14] XD [15:14] :P [15:14] i'm using it now, but it doesn't go in the tray area [15:14] oh [15:14] serfus: My suggestion(s) would be Exaile for audio and vlc for video. [15:15] If rhythmbox doesn't meet you need after the gutting [15:15] so i'm looking for a media player withe library like rhythmbox [15:15] exaile has library and such? [15:15] serfus: Exaile, see collections [15:15] no one that know what's wrong in my xorg.conf? [15:16] serfus, exaile [15:16] okay, thanks ElderDryas, i'll try it [15:16] for video i use smplayer which is awesome [15:17] serfus: you must tell exaile to remain in the notifications area after closinig, it's in the configs somewhere. [15:17] if it's there that's alright [15:18] will it bring many unrelated libraries? [15:18] nvm ) [15:19] serfus, gmusicbrowser supports libraries well, have you checked that out? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [15:27] rhin0, :D got it working! [15:45] someone with ati card, fglrx driver and two displays could post their xorg.conf for me to copy? [15:59] gridcube can you post the list of dependencies & what you had to do to compile that here -- I will add it to the forum posting -- someone else will complete the method (how to get this working on xfce 4.8 ubuntu 11.10) also -- the package name -- also why it doesn't intitially compile in english [16:00] GridCube .... because people will be trying to find out how to fix this and nobody so far but I and you have addressed this ... I got the python script working but you have managed to install the solution [16:00] I had it in #xfce but I just exited there [16:00] bbl [16:00] ;) [16:00] im doing that now [16:01] @gendaline: This isn't at all what you asked for, but it has the same effect. Stick the following in your rc.local and change the monitor names: [code]xrandr --output VBOX1 --pos 0x0 --output VBOX0 --left-of VBOX1[/code] [16:01] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11379796 <- heres my post anyway [16:01] rhin0, im writing there [16:01] oh wow cube of grid -- excellent [16:01] going to make toast -- bbl [16:18] bullcityrambler: thanks for youre answer, unfortunately it wont work. even using --output CRT1 and CRT2 like in my case.. screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 is the output. also rc.local is missing. [16:26] I'm searching the web for the "screen cannot be larger than" error and the solution is everywhere the same, adding a "Virtual" line to xorg.conf, but my attempts fail [16:35] maybe I can open a telnet server without a password as root and go to the shower, hoping that an intruder rather than flatten the hard disk solves the problem! XD [16:43] i'm new to xfce: How do I eject a usb device? [16:44] !info mp32ogg [16:44] Package mp32ogg does not exist in oneiric [16:44] mki: right click on icon on desktop or icon on thunar or small arrow in thunar [16:45] Sysi: Thanks, where can i find thunar? [16:45] xubuntu/xfce default file manager [16:46] ah ok [16:47] Sysi: In KDE it was possible to eject usb devices by klicking into the panel. Is it possible to do it this way in xfce? [16:48] possible [16:48] Usually i don't use file managers and the desktop is behind millions of windows :) [16:48] but you must add aplet to urs panel [16:48] ok sounds good [16:48] add new items → mount plugin [16:49] thats right [16:49] ok found it great thanks! [16:49] welcome === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [17:29] is there a way to get an "open with" option when right-clicking a dvd icon on the desktop? [17:40] Hi I need to make my mouse cursor bigger the settings do not work so how to set it manually? (64-bit) [17:43] wereyoda, http://alturl.com/qq8o4 question 8 [18:03] is there some difference in setting up ssh with xfce --- it keeps aksing for passphrase in bash -- nromally I got gnome asking for my passphrase -- i'm setting up the key with ssh-keygen then using ssh-copy-id [18:03] I just don't get it [18:05] it's something to do with ssh-agent [18:08] somethings changed -- i used to be able to set up ssh with ssh-keygen etc ssh-copy-id on ubuntu [18:08] 11.10 it doesn't set up right [18:08] diff between gnome and xfce [18:19] xfce =/= gnome [18:21] 'ello [18:22] sup' thedoctor [18:26] can I run .Xdefaults without relogging? [18:32] just waicing for xubuntu to finish installing....la la la.. [18:32] waiting* [18:33] :) [18:36] Hello, can anyone help me out? [18:36] it's a bit easier to know if we can, if you just ask your question [18:37] Ok. I have an issue with my xubuntu installation. When I try to launch the installer from a menu, this appears on my monitor: http://anony.ws/i/nG4hp.jpg [18:38] Is that a videocard problem? [18:38] looks like an atari game [18:38] :( === dustin_ is now known as thedoctor [18:42] Does anyone know what could be causing an issue? [18:43] Newbie321, probably unknown video drivers [18:43] you should use the alternate installer [18:43] The text based one? [18:43] yes [18:43] pretty easy to use :) [18:44] I'll try. Thanks. [19:00] thanks GridCube things work better now [19:09] anyone know how to change the behavior or the file chooser? Instead of it defaulting to "Recently Used", I'd like to have it show the contents of the directory where the last file in the app was opened from [19:30] Is there a samba client plugin for thunar or a GUI for xubuntu and samba shares? [19:31] Like places in gnome2 desktop [19:31] I have xfce4 desktop [19:58] hi [19:58] can you help me with this http://imgur.com/3HH73 :/ ? [19:58] i have a secound desktop [19:59] who is starting after the mine .. === gianni is now known as Guest38564 [20:16] Hmm, xrandr doesn't work the same as it did in 11.04 [20:17] I try "xrandr --output VGA1 --panning 800x800", and am unable to actually pan the screen. The screen size increases, but moving the mouse to the edge does nothing. [20:17] taza, --left-to ? [20:17] taza, or --right-to? [20:17] ... would do what, precisely? [20:18] try that [20:18] Just adding it to the bottom? [20:18] Er end, rather [20:18] it would mean the VGA1 is (physically) left or right to the main monitor [20:18] The screen is 800x600 physically. [20:18] It IS the main monitor [20:19] 800x600, I'm trying to have a 800x800 workspace [20:19] ah, right [20:20] And that command worked in 11.04, but stopped working in 11.10 [20:20] hmmh [20:20] !info xrandr natty [20:20] !info xrandr oneiric [20:20] Package xrandr does not exist in natty [20:20]