[00:01] why? [00:02] okay i posted it there ;) [00:03] thx for the help up to now :) === marius is now known as Guest157 [00:08] finally i got a work around fix for my touch pad [00:11] ven1ce_: seem to have some problem with ata1. Don't know if that could be the problem [00:12] hm [00:13] loog in your pastebin, up to 1 sec all seems nice then next is 21 sec and problem with ata, frozen, timeout and such errors [00:18] i'm kinda lost no idea how to read those logs :/ [00:19] well I'm no expert either. Maybe try #linux or ##linux or something [00:20] the thing doesnt even show the plymouth logo stuff before it boots into the os. just a blue screen and all that stuff happens in the background [00:20] you cant even change to the console view [00:23] okay thanks for the help. i'll call it a night and try it again in the morning. it's been 1.5 hours of google already and since the machine still boots... ^^ === imi is now known as Guest1010 [00:25] Buonasera, Sono nuovo. é possibile avere un 'informazione? [00:27] cè qualcuno che mi può aiutare in italiano? [00:31] !it [00:31] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) === marius is now known as Guest92114 [01:17] I am trying to get banshee working in Kubuntu 11.10, and it isn't working. Can anyone help me? The banshee program crashes with The error was 'BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)'. (Details: serial 545 error_code 10 request_code 151 minor_code 1) [01:23] i dunno phunyguy_netbook im guessing wildly, a problem opening the X display, [01:25] your not running it remotely are you? [01:28] Xv frames not working, low memory, something with the X dispaly [01:28] phiscribe: nope. just in KDE [01:28] banshee is a gtk app [01:28] ...but I like it better than amarok [01:28] this is a fresh install of kubuntu 11.10 [01:30] i ran it in a terminal to get the crash output because it would act like it was loading but do nothing. [01:31] does amarok have the ability to organize my music library in the filesystem, and import new music? If so I can ditch banshee. I just didnt see those options. [01:32] phunyguy_netbook, lower the resolution of your screen as far as you can stand and see if it runs, if so video is running 0ut of memory [01:33] hmmm... not sure i can go much smaller. netbook screen... ;) [01:34] just to test [01:35] phiscribe: who owns the ~/.banshee directory ? [01:37] there is no ~/.banshee directory [01:37] phunyguy_netbook, Daskreech suggest that you are the owner of the .banshee folder [01:37] (if you were asking me) [01:37] it will be hidden [01:38] i know what "." means ;) [01:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/836909 [01:38] Launchpad bug 836909 in banshee (Ubuntu) "Banshee crashes while loading" [Medium,Confirmed] [01:38] and it doesnt exist [01:39] ah wel it probably has never wran the first time and made the config foder, i dont think it is pemisions, it cant grab "private" resourees, like vidoe ram or something [01:39] phiscribe: MIght explain why running it as root fixes the problem [01:39] running as root didnt fix for me... lol [01:39] man change the freaking gtk theme from oxygen to raliph and see if it will start, i cant start geany or gimp unless i do this now in 11.05 [01:39] 11.04 [01:39] although it got me farther but it still crashed with the same error [01:40] he cant rn as root Daskreech [01:40] phunyguy_netbook: Amarok can monitor folders and automatically import new music. As to the 1st part, it depends on what you mean by "organize". [01:41] ronnoc_: banshee imports songs from other folders, and sorts them into my own folder structure in the central library, as well as making sure that library has the correct folder structure [01:41] phiscribe: From the bug you posted [01:42] ahahahaha changing themes fixed iut [01:42] it* [01:42] nuyts [01:42] nuts even lol [01:42] lol [01:43] how is a person suppose to figure that on their own, somone in here had to tell me [01:43] phunyguy_netbook: Hmmm I don't think it will do that. It does write statistics and tags to the files well. I use Picard to organize my collection so that it's consistent no matter what media player I feel like using. [01:43] well u can change the theme back, and i think for this whole session it will be ok,, but reboot and have to do it again [01:45] hmm and no system tray with banshee... lol [01:45] maybe i will go the picard route [01:45] i just hope it can differentiate between various artist albums [01:46] It does a great job. There's a little learning curve, but it rocks when you get it. [01:47] and if it gets the wrong album (maybe yours has extra "bonus tracks" or whatever, you can always review / fix it before it writes tags and files. but most of the time it's spot on. [01:48] Daskreech, i bet that running as root causes it on some system to default to diffrent gtk theme [01:48] phiscribe: hmm the theme is trying to do some graphical trick that locks it out of the video card? [01:49] phunyguy_netbook: it uses the MusicBrainz database [01:49] what is the default music player for Kubuntu 11.10? [01:49] yeah i like musicbrainz [01:50] Daskreech, somthing like that what do gimp and genie and banshee have in common i wonder [01:50] shane2peru: Amarok [01:50] PhilRod: gtk ? [01:50] ronnoc_: ok, thanks! I upgraded, so I don't have that. [01:50] and why oxygen breaks it [01:50] * shane2peru runs off to install Amarok [01:50] shane2peru: though of course you don't have to go with the default :) [01:50] just saying [01:51] right, but going to give it a try, clementine hung on me today. Not sure why started eating 100% cpu, and wouldn't close, had to forcefully killall clementine [01:52] So, can't hurt to check out the defualt, [01:52] I just installed Amarok2 Remote from the Android store on my phone. YeeeeeeHaw it's awesome. [01:52] shadeslayer, did you happen to be watching flash video [01:52] Course I'm always open for suggestions, if you have something better, light weight, simple to use etc. Daskreech or anyone else. [01:52] shane2peru, i meant [01:53] phiscribe: no, clementine is strictly music [01:53] oh [01:54] shane2peru: You can check out Tomahawk if Amarok is not your thing. It's new but pretty cool and covers all the basics + a lot of online integration if you want it. [01:55] ronnoc_: will check that out, I actually basically do mp3, from my box, that is about it. Pretty simple, with playlists. [01:55] shane2peru: there dragon player (super super simple) juk which I think is nice if you manage your music yourself. [01:55] I shamefully use Kaffiene [01:55] i tried clementine, but development on it is slow [01:55] Since I use Amarok for all my Podcasts management and the fact that I have a Magnatune account, all which are intgrated with Amarok / KDE, I'm staying put :) [01:55] Daskreech: isn't Dragon the video player? [01:55] and it doesnt allow an easy way for separating VA albumsd [01:55] -d [01:55] shane2peru: doesn't stop it playing music :) hence why I use Kaffiene [01:55] hmm, juk, I forgot about that [01:56] Yeah Juk is fairly nice [01:56] mpd and a front end, ill play on a i486 [01:56] Actually it does have a simple database I remember now [01:57] amarok is like owning a 5 disc cd changer, with tape deck, blueray, dvd-player, with and internet connection, usb plugins, and all I want to do is play mp3s. :) [01:57] aplay >_> [01:57] it'll that is [01:57] shane2peru: Try juk for a week [01:57] shane2peru: lol [01:58] * shane2peru canceled 25mb Amarok to install 649kb juk, already likes it. [01:58] shane2peru: That's probablywhy I like it - the more funnctions I can cram into one app (so lolg as I use them), the better ;) [01:59] ronnoc_: right, if I used all that stuff, probably would like it, but I'm pretty simple in that dept. [01:59] is juk 3.5 kde or 4 [02:00] there is songbird if you like overkill [02:00] Juk version 3.7 using KDE Dev platform 4.7.1 [02:00] though it has soome nice views [02:00] yes, tried songbird years ago, it was overkill for me, too much web integration. [02:03] Does anyone here use ibus? Fresh 11.10 install and an important chunk is missing (the choices list for partial matches). [02:05] ok, juk loses a point already, no multimedia keys pre-configured. [02:08] shane2peru: what do you want for 649k? ;) [02:08] lol, only 1 point, I can manually configure them. :) and enjoy the 649k. [02:09] shane2peru: dragon playeris super simple [02:09] juk is simple [02:09] however I wouldn't have complained at 652k with multimedia key configuration. ;) [02:11] yeah dragon is too simple, I just don't care for it === ironfroggy_ is now known as Guest39605 === gaurav__ is now known as Guest37130 [02:21] Exaile failed to get mentioned, I forgot about that one too. [02:26] :-) [02:32] this may be a longshot, does anyone know how to implement the sword:// protocol in the system? or does it exist? Seems to have to do with this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=%22sword%3A%2F%2F%22%20%2B%20kde&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flukeplant.me.uk%2Fkio-sword%2F&ei=E3yjTqKzKcy5tgfEiMCjCg&usg=AFQjCNEwW9rhc1YcW3u_Ns4Tq2cbmwOEpA&cad=rja [02:32] but is no longer active, wow that was a long link [02:32] http://lukeplant.me.uk/kio-sword/ that is the proper link [02:33] Should be able to register it as a kio [02:35] I am having problems using software-center. Errors when i try to install any package. In think the problem is related to my python configuration http://paste.ubuntu.com/716551/ [02:35] some time ago I heard/read about development of that in Xiphos, but never did get it figured out, so was still curious about it. [02:35] Is it bad to have two entries for /usr/bin/python2.7 one that says manual and the other auto? If so, how do i safely remove the second entry? [02:37] kesten: did you manually install python3.2? [02:40] yes, and it was a real headache. I eventually found that i had pointed to 3.2 instead of 2.7. I fixed the problem and things were working again, but today software-center broke with complaints from python [02:41] kesten: I ran into this before, but not with the software center, I ended removing the offending python, I recommend you remove your installed python 3.2, and I'm not sure how to do that, since it was manually installed. [02:41] update-alternatives [02:42] i need python3.2 for developing python. I did run update-alternatives but it doesn't clear the second reference to python shown in the paste link above [02:44] also, nearly all the entries in /etc/alternatives have the symlink name (python) and a second entry like python.1.gz . It's there for all the others, but not for python. [02:46] ok whoever it was that suggested Picard for music management... THANK YOU. [02:46] i mean WOW! [02:46] Picard? how did I miss that one? [02:46] * jmichaelx never heard of picard [02:46] its not for playing, just managing,shane2peru [02:46] phunyguy_netbook: ahh, ok, thanks. [02:46] uses MusicBrainz [02:47] * jmichaelx goes off looking for picard [02:47] * shane2peru doesn't manage music, just listens to it. :) [02:47] shane2peru: I have to... organization is my... thing... [02:47] phunyguy_netbook: in that case, enjoy! [02:47] will do. [02:48] i am very disorderly with nearly everything BUT my music [02:50] * jmichaelx wishes picard were not GTK [02:54] when i run sudo apt-get install -f i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/716565/ [02:55] kesten@kesten-K42Jr:/usr/bin$ ls -l /usr/bin/python [02:55] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2011-10-22 21:21 /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python [02:55] kesten: please please please do not flood [02:55] sorry [02:56] kesten: please run 'sudp dpkf --configure -a' [02:56] oops [02:56] 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' [02:56] jmichaelx: er, I'm pretty sure picard is qt.. [02:57] Sentynel: i was just coming under the same impression [02:57] wish granted, then! [02:57] yay! [02:58] it fails with http://paste.ubuntu.com/716570/ [02:59] kesten: i'm sorry, i should have looked more closely...it's looking like you have the wrong version of python set as your default [02:59] kesten: which version of kubuntu are you running? [03:00] yes, but when i reset with update-alternatives --config python it doesn't fix software center or dpkg errors. [03:00] running ubuntu 11.04 [03:00] hmm [03:01] and you're sure that you are not pulling from any non-11.04 repos? [03:01] i set it to /usr/bin/python2.7 but somehow it gets re-set to /etc/alternatives/python [03:01] explain more [03:02] in other words, have you added any repositories to your sources.list that are not for natty? [03:02] i haven't made any manual changes to sources.list. Where does it live? how can i check? [03:03] jmichaelx: he installed python3.2 manually. [03:03] kesten: it's located at /etc/apt/sources.list ...you may also have additional repositories configured in the /etc/aptsources.list.d/ directory === Linkmaster is now known as Guest56495 === Guest56495 is now known as Linkmaster [03:04] hmmm, but installing python 3 should not create any problems, as long as it's not the default [03:04] Daskreech: ping [03:04] pong [03:05] Linkmaster: pong [03:05] kesten: be very careful about changing your default python version in the future (not saying that is what you did) [03:05] sorry to keep bothering you..did you get my last message about the card not working? [03:06] kesten: it could also be that after you set python 2.7 as default, that you need to start a new session for the new config to apply? i am not sure [03:06] That is what i did. I was following a blender install tutorial and made a typo. Then all hell broke loose. [03:07] kesten: yea, changing the default pythn can certainly cause hell, hades and everything else to break loose [03:07] Daskreech: It says "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-KILL" [03:08] I followed several solutions from the forums, but I didn't see anyone with the weird double entry for python2.7 that i have http://paste.ubuntu.com/716578/ [03:08] Daskreech: hate to pick on you, but if kesten set his default python back to 2.7.x using update-alternatives, would he need to start a new session before those settings would take effect? [03:09] I have a feeling i need to remove the second reference, but i don't know how [03:09] kesten: how did you install python 3? i notice it is installed to your /opt dir [03:10] jmichaelx: what does ls -l $(which python) say? [03:11] kesten: i'm not sure that second reference to python 2.7 is anything to worry about [03:11] kesten: run the command just suggested by Daskreech [03:11] Linkmaster: do you have the hardware switch for the wireless off or on? [03:12] ls -l $(which python) says http://paste.ubuntu.com/716582/ [03:12] lol of course what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/python say ? [03:13] says "/etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python2.7" [03:14] Daskreech: there isn't an optional switch, so thats not a problem. I reinstalled the STA driver earlier, and now its back to saying that eth1 is my wireless, and I could bring it up with the 'ifconfig eth1 up', w/o errors. But in my taskbar, it still shows the ethernet instead of wireless in my taskbar [03:14] i am still thinking kesten may need to reboot before things settle down [03:14] which is strange because dpkg --configure -a give http://paste.ubuntu.com/716570/ [03:14] jmichaelx: Could just log out and back in [03:15] will try a reboot now. Excuse me. [03:15] kesten: you can just log out, then back in [03:15] oh well... [03:15] Daskreech: but when I hover over knetworkmanager, it says 'wireless disabled by hardware' .. [03:16] that's what the rf-kill error means [03:16] the wireless is turned off in hardware [03:16] Kill switch is on [03:16] alright..then why could I bring the interface 'up' ? and my computer doesn't *have* a kill switch [03:17] kesten: any improvement? [03:17] Linkmaster: do you dual boot? [03:18] jmichaelx: yes, but I use windows so infrequently I consider it to be negligible [03:19] Daskreech: is there any way to turn the killswitch using software? [03:19] Linkmaster: i understand... if other methods fail, it is slightly possible you could boot into windows, turn your wireless on there, then boot back into kubuntu [03:20] Linkmaster: i may not be fully understanding what your problem is, though [03:20] sudo apt-get install -f still gives same error about not pointing to python2.7 http://paste.ubuntu.com/716588/ === acer_ is now known as onizuka45 === onizuka45 is now known as acer_ [03:20] !info rfkill | Linkmaster [03:20] Linkmaster: rfkill (source: rfkill): tool for enabling and disabling wireless devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4-1 (oneiric), package size 7 kB, installed size 64 kB === acer_ is now known as onizuka45 [03:20] Windows doesn't work either, at least wirelessly..and I don't really like windows, so I don't really care to boot into it [03:21] kesten: i asked abit ago about how you installed python 3... it does not appear that you installed python 3 from the ubuntu repos [03:21] Alright...learned something new about rfkill, but how do I make it stop killing my card? xD [03:21] i think i searched in software center and came up empty so i followed the tutorial on blender.org [03:22] * jmichaelx i believe i have also seen rfkill conflicts between gnome and kde, if both are installed [03:23] i followed the tutorial located here http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:2.5/Doc/Building_Blender/Linux/Troubleshooting [03:23] kesten: python 3 is in the repositories. [03:23] Well, I learned about rfkill by using it, uhmm...it says that its hardware blocked as well, not sure where it could be going wrong [03:23] the interpreter is, but not the source to build and compile i think. I was told i'd ned a -dev package [03:25] kesten: yes, you would have been better off using the PPA this tutorial suggests for ubuntu users [03:25] kesten: python does not get compliled [03:26] compiled* [03:26] it is an interpreted language, period [03:26] I just opened up my computer, and the card is connected properly.. [03:28] i recall i had problems following the instructions. Probably because it was my first week with ubuntu shifting over from windows7. [03:29] Linkmaster: i have run into this same thing before... i don't remeber what i did. i vaguely remember not being able to get wireless going in KDE, booting into Gnome and being able to get it going there in gnome's network manager [03:29] if i follow the instructions now might it fix the problem? [03:29] or are things screwed up to badly and i need to clean things somehow first? === ncc1701 is now known as seawolt [03:31] kesten: it is possible that you could just delete python from your /opt directory.... although i have some concern about the places where you specified the paths to that python version [03:33] i'm following the instructions now. sudo apt-get update gives a few errors about other packages but seems ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/716595/ [03:33] kesten: you could try running this first: 'sudo update-alternatives --remove /usr/bin/python python /your/path/to/python3.2 1' [03:34] kesten: you may need to follow that up with 'sudo update-alternatives --config python' (i am just taking this from the tutorial you were following [03:35] jmichaelx: I don't have access to a Gnome DE [03:36] is the syntax right? update-alternatives: error: unknown argument `/usr/bin/python3.2 [03:39] kesten: all i did was replace '--install' with '--remove' (per your tutorial) [03:39] sorry, the config shows that i pointed to the python3.2 in my /opt/py32/bin rather than /usr/bin ...trying [03:40] ok... that is confusing. what i mean i that your tutorial instructs you to install that way, so i am suggesting you use the same method to remove it [03:40] hmm, same error. [03:41] i'll check the man on --remove [03:42] yeah, --remove just takes name and path, install takes link name path priority... trying again [03:42] kesten: yea, i checked that, it is there [03:42] ok [03:43] yes that worked. So now i will install correctly using the PPA and see if that helps. [03:43] Daskreech: I think its something about the card. I have my computer open in front of me, and the card is connected properly, and I there is absolutely no external kill switch. So I'm utterly confused on how the hardware could be turning it off [03:44] Linkmaster: It's possible I don't know how to use rfkill . maybe it can send an override signal to the OS [03:44] Well the driver [03:44] I tried, 'rfkill unblock wlan' and it accepted it, but nothing happened [03:44] though honestly that kill signal shouldn't be overruled [03:45] Linkmaster: Could be the card is messed up. You may have to boot into windows to see if it works. IF it does then that's jsut going to be frustrating :( [03:45] Well, I have no freaking clue where its coming from, its brand-new. I think that this is the reason that my computer has been screwy [03:45] *the problem that is [03:45] it's being the problem or the card? [03:46] I remember you saying you had a new card [03:46] Linkmaster: you are by far not the only person wo has run into this... have you looked in the forums? [03:46] The problem is new, and I think this kill-signal is where the problem is(and the new card is sitting on my desk) [03:47] and jmichaelx, I can't usually, my school likes to block the forums that I could be using to help myself out [03:48] * jmichaelx rolls eyes [03:48] Linkmaster: i am sure that somehow tech forums could corrupt you? [03:49] Daskreech: I have two lists for wlan on rf-kill: "0: ideapad_wlan: wireless LAN, softblocked no, hardblocked no; 2: brcmwl-0: wireless LAN softblocked, no, hardblocked, yes" [03:49] and jmichaelx, I'm positive they can..thats how I stumbled into Linux to begin with xD [03:50] Linkmaster: ok, you do have a point there [03:50] now update-alternatives gives "there is only one alternative /usr/bin/python2.7" nothing to configure, but still getting the same errors about not pointing to correct python default [03:50] Of course, now that I'm using LInux, I can never go back, I don't care how difficult it gets =P but anyways...how to disable this kill-switch is my #1 priority [03:51] Linkmaster: have yu tried booting up without the card installed.... then installing it again, and botting back up? [03:51] yep :l [03:51] i know it seems tedious... [03:52] drats [03:52] I booted up, shut down, walked to my rarely open ethernet port, installed the STA driver w/o a problem, rebooted, to find that wireless has been disabled by hardware, according to knetworkmanager [03:53] this could also be an issue with the OS wrongly guessing what your laptop model is... [03:53] the PPA tutorial ends with Now you're ready to start installing software from the PPA! but doesn't say how. [03:53] Linkmaster: is there a Wireless on/off switch on the keyboard? [03:53] a Fn+combo ? [03:54] kesten: it works the same way as installing anything else [03:54] yea... Fn+combo should have been one of the first suggestions... [03:54] * jmichaelx feels silly [03:54] make; make install? but from which directory? where did the update install put it? [03:55] kesten: sudo apt-get install [03:55] Technically package name but it's almost the same [03:55] thx [03:55] jmichaelx, Daskreech: yes, I have an Fn+F5 combo, I tried that, used 'rfkill list' and it said the thing was still hardblocked. I tried again, and now it shows both wireless options as being soft-blocked as well [03:56] kesten: you need to brush up on some debian/ubunt basics before you do much more installing and removing of packages. that is where your main problem has been [03:56] * Linkmaster recommends using only the repos/.deb files [03:56] i know. it's been 10 years since i was a unix user. [03:57] Oh jeez, everythings changed since *I* started using Linux, which wasn't that long ago =P [03:57] in the debian world, you should avoid hand compiling/installing much of anything.... especially if you are new [03:57] * Linkmaster takes sledghammer to his netbook [03:58] i can't atp-get install because of the same "not pointing to default python" i get when installing any package http://paste.ubuntu.com/716603/ [03:59] :) i second that sledgehammer [03:59] i am AGSINST the sldgehammer!!!! [03:59] AGAINST* [03:59] kesten: pastebin /usr/share/pycentral-data/pyversions.py [03:59] maybe my computer is finally taking its revenge for all my testing I've done on it.. [03:59] you will get your wireless working again. [04:00] Linkmaster: Umm [04:00] Eventually, maybe, unless my hardware really is messed up, then its not going to happen =P [04:00] Linkmaster: pastebin your lsmod if you can ? [04:00] Uhm...yeah, I can, in a backwards way [04:00] Linkmaster: you really do need to get to the forums on this one... ever considering subscribing to a VPN? reverse SSH tunneling? [04:01] The only thing I can think is that you have a bad driver or two drivers loaded [04:01] jmichaelx: I was planning on installing linux on my moms computer, and VPN tunneling to her router [04:01] here's the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/716604/ [04:01] Linkmaster: that would be a good way around the silly things your school is blocking [04:01] can I type that like "lsmod | cat ~/file.txt" ? [04:02] kesten: was this a fairly fresh kubuntu installation? [04:02] fresh two weeks ago [04:03] kesten: there would no doubt be a way fix your installation, but at this point i think i would suggest just starting out fresh again [04:04] kesten: also, if you would install 11.10, python 3.2 is available in the standard repos [04:04] ok. Process: find ubuntu 11.10, burn install cd, let er rip? [04:05] kesten: yup... CD, DVD, USB... one way or the other [04:05] it wouldn't work just to upgrade to 11.10 like the pop-ups have been suggesting? === zinq is now known as jkuttu [04:06] its cleaner to do a fresh install =P [04:06] kesten: i would not bank on it, but it isn't impossible [04:06] clearly. Alright then. It's off to a fresh start. [04:06] * jmichaelx agrees with Daskreech [04:07] Linkmaster: lsmod > ~/file.txt [04:07] Hey, thanks for all the help. Despite the sledgehammer comment, this irc is a great way to learn about unix. There was no such help when i started ...oops... 20 years ago. [04:07] Daskreech: eh, I was close. http://pastebin.com/tJw6fLxa [04:08] My sledgehammer comment was, thank you very much, about me destroying my own computer in a primate-like rage =P [04:08] jmichaelx: It's probably his debian/pyversions file needs love but yeah unless kesten wants to learn how dpkg runs might be easier to nuke [04:08] kesten: we were not much help, but glad to talk with you [04:08] kesten: You can't upgrade. That means that apt-get is working which it isn't [04:08] You could do a lazy install but .... yeah [04:08] nonsense. Much better than what i was getting from forum searches. Do you have a tip jar? [04:08] Daskreech: beginners (and non-beginners) can run into a whole mountain of bork, if their python configs get out of whack [04:09] jmichaelx: He won't be able to upgrade that's flat out not happening [04:09] assuming that kesten is a he [04:09] true nuf [04:09] kesten: lol.... the only tip jar is a willingness to, while seeking help, also offer help to others when you can :-D [04:10] yes, true... if apt is broken, you're at the end of the line [04:10] what, because i tip? And yes, i will certainly pass the help along. [04:10] Daskreech: anything discernible with that? [04:11] alright guys. signing off. I'll try the re-install now. Daskreech, not really i guess, but how'd you guess? [04:11] i like it when this channel is active the way it used to be several years ago.... i think kubuntu is profiting from the discontent with unity [04:11] adios kesten [04:11] jmichaelx: not really it can be fixed :) just way more work than payoff. Plus if kesten is just learning how to install then it's a good lesson on packagemanagement ummm management ? :) [04:11] Linkmaster: I'm trying to remember if i915 is the sata chipset or a intel wireless chip [04:12] Daskreech: well, that is basically all i was saying [04:12] * Linkmaster learned the hard way that the packagemanager is a beautiful thing, and that kubuntu is NOT arch for a reason [04:12] kesten: What did I guess? [04:12] assuming that kesten is a he" [04:12] kesten: :) [04:12] I didn't guess. I assumed [04:13] Daskreech: is the intel express family chipset [04:13] actually, in the linux world, guessing someone is male is pretty safe [04:13] Linkmaster: right so looks like you have the wl chipset [04:13] jmichaelx: sadly [04:13] Daskreech: agreed [04:13] Hmm... [04:13] Linkmaster: bah I mean driver [04:13] Linkmaster: What happens if you do sudo modprobe -r wl && sudo modprobe b43 ? [04:14] let us find out [04:14] kesten: hope to see you again with less distress soon [04:14] Daskreech: it takes the command w/o error [04:15] Linkmaster: lsmod | grep b43 [04:15] It allowed me to turn on the wireless card though...hmm... [04:16] Linkmaster: Check to see if you can flip the card on [04:16] Daskreech: surely. One last question. Is there anyway to debug step through pyversions.py? that might be instcutive enough for me to try it. [04:16] I'm not sure what that command is supposed to give me, it has a little bit of information. and I can do 'sudo ifconfig wlan0(it changed again) up" but it complains [04:16] The original "no file/directory" [04:17] anyone here have much experience using ubuntu with btrfs? [04:17] kesten: Of course but that's not your problem. It's just reading a file that debian uses to keep a track of which python it thinks is current [04:17] jmichaelx: I was planning on trying that, and then realized I have more on my plate then I can deal with..xD [04:18] ok. [04:18] Daskreech: we are getting somewhere. When I click the card on from knetworkmanager, rfkill list tells me that there is nothing blocking anything [04:18] that file probably has the wrong thing in there. debugging the pyversions.py will just get you the error message you read with a reason why [04:18] Linkmaster: Right but you need the blobfirmware to get the b43 driver working [04:19] Ah broadcom [04:19] Linkmaster: ok lets flip back to wl [04:19] Okay...how should I do this? xP [04:19] sudo modprobe -r b43 && sudo modprobe wl [04:19] okay [04:19] i need to install linux on a server here at work tonight, and am tempted to try it with btrfs... [04:19] * jmichaelx hates broadcom [04:19] jmichaelx: You are nuts :-p you know they don't use it in fedora [04:19] FEDORA [04:20] jmichaelx: They are LInux saviours now :) [04:20] Daskreech: the moment I did that, it states that the card is turned off by hardware, so I think there might be an issue with the STA driver? [04:20] They open sourced the driver and are working in the Linux Kernel tree [04:20] Linkmaster: seems so [04:20] Do you have internet on that laptop? [04:20] Daskreech: it is being used a fair bit in fedora.... they just backed off from making it default (as they had planned) in F16 [04:20] jmichaelx: Right do you know why? [04:21] I have no internet on my kubuntu laptop(lets call it the s10e, which it is, from now on) [04:21] ubuntu.com says 11.10 32 bit is recommended (i did a 64 bit before on advice from a friend). What do y'all say? [04:21] Daskreech: btrfs is already being used in production (on backup servers) here (though i have NO experience with it) [04:21] kesten: For Linux the only real difference is how much do you use Flash and how much memory you have [04:21] Daskreech: the only reason i know of, is that fdisk tools are not ready yet [04:22] jmichaelx: the fsck to be specific [04:22] so you can't run a check on the file system to see if it's consistent or fix it [04:22] Daskreech: yes, fsck is actually what i meant to type [04:22] without knowing the underlying structure yourself [04:22] For a server I'd say that's a pretty damning flaw [04:23] btrfs is what you get when you make ext4 and reiserfs mate and have children =P [04:23] Daskreech: it would be, except that this server is going to be used more or less as a third tier backup and testing machine.... otherwise i would not even consider it [04:24] oh well, Daskreech, what should we do next? [04:24] Linkmaster: which model laptop? [04:24] lenovo s10e [04:24] Linkmaster: right now i have to "manage" two machines running Nexenta (w/ ZFS).... talk about misery [04:24] Linkmaster: btrfs is what you get when you get super jealous of the rich kid's toys who won't let you play [04:24] that as well xDD [04:25] I keep meaning to try it out though, see if it works as well(if not better) then my standard ext4 [04:25] Daskreech: i have co-workers who brag almost daily about btrfs.... but they do have (very) expensice toys to play with... i don't :-D [04:25] Linkmaster: OK. try sudo -i [04:26] echo 'blacklist acer_wmi' >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [04:26] * Linkmaster enters godmode!! [04:26] :-) [04:26] the machine i am gong to install on is a 4 or 5 years old sun server, and i just installed 2 new 1TB drives (makes me happy) [04:26] type that whole line in? [04:26] Linkmaster: without the :-) [04:27] Linkmaster: you have wireless??? [04:27] I can haz internetz wif out wires plz kthkx [04:27]