[00:01] <ven1ce_> why?
[00:02] <ven1ce_> okay i posted it there ;)
[00:03] <ven1ce_> thx for the help up to now :)
[00:08] <number19> finally i got a work around fix for my touch pad
[00:11] <spacebug-> ven1ce_: seem to have some problem with ata1. Don't know if that could be the problem
[00:12] <ven1ce_> hm
[00:13] <spacebug-> loog in your pastebin, up to 1 sec all seems nice then next is 21 sec and problem with ata, frozen, timeout and such errors
[00:18] <ven1ce_> i'm kinda lost no idea how to read those logs :/
[00:19] <spacebug-> well I'm no expert either. Maybe try #linux or ##linux or something
[00:20] <ven1ce_> the thing doesnt even show the plymouth logo stuff before it boots into the os. just a blue screen and all that stuff happens in the background
[00:20] <ven1ce_> you cant even change to the console view
[00:23] <ven1ce_> okay thanks for the help. i'll call it a night and try it again in the morning. it's been 1.5 hours of google already and since the machine still boots... ^^
[00:25] <Prughereddu> Buonasera, Sono nuovo. é possibile avere un 'informazione?
[00:27] <Prughereddu> cè qualcuno che mi può aiutare in italiano?
[00:31] <Daskreech> !it
[01:17] <phunyguy_netbook> I am trying to get banshee working in Kubuntu 11.10, and it isn't working.  Can anyone help me?  The banshee program crashes with The error was 'BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)'.  (Details: serial 545 error_code 10 request_code 151 minor_code 1)
[01:23] <phiscribe> i dunno phunyguy_netbook im guessing wildly, a problem opening the X display,
[01:25] <phiscribe> your not running it remotely are you?
[01:28] <phiscribe> Xv frames not working, low memory, something with the X dispaly
[01:28] <phunyguy_netbook> phiscribe: nope.  just in KDE
[01:28] <phunyguy_netbook> banshee is a gtk app
[01:28] <phunyguy_netbook> ...but I like it better than amarok
[01:28] <phunyguy_netbook> this is a fresh install of kubuntu 11.10
[01:30] <phunyguy_netbook> i ran it in a terminal to get the crash output because it would act like it was loading but do nothing.
[01:31] <phunyguy_netbook> does amarok have the ability to organize my music library in the filesystem, and import new music?  If so I can ditch banshee.  I just didnt see those options.
[01:32] <phiscribe> phunyguy_netbook, lower the resolution of your screen as far as you can stand and see if it runs, if so  video is running 0ut of memory
[01:33] <phunyguy_netbook> hmmm... not sure i can go much smaller.  netbook screen... ;)
[01:34] <phiscribe> just to test
[01:35] <Daskreech> phiscribe: who owns the ~/.banshee directory ?
[01:37] <phunyguy_netbook> there is no ~/.banshee directory
[01:37] <phiscribe> phunyguy_netbook, Daskreech suggest that you are the owner of the .banshee folder
[01:37] <phunyguy_netbook> (if you were asking me)
[01:37] <phiscribe> it will be hidden
[01:38] <phunyguy_netbook> i know what "." means ;)
[01:38] <phiscribe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/836909
[01:38] <phunyguy_netbook> and it doesnt exist
[01:39] <phiscribe> ah wel it probably has never wran the first time and made the config foder, i dont think it is pemisions, it cant grab "private" resourees, like vidoe ram or something
[01:39] <Daskreech> phiscribe: MIght explain why running it as root fixes the problem
[01:39] <phunyguy_netbook> running as root didnt fix for me... lol
[01:39] <phiscribe> man change the freaking gtk theme from oxygen to raliph and see if it will start, i cant start geany or gimp unless i do this now in 11.05
[01:39] <phiscribe> 11.04
[01:39] <phunyguy_netbook> although it got me farther but it still crashed with the same error
[01:40] <phiscribe> he cant rn as root Daskreech
[01:40] <ronnoc_> phunyguy_netbook: Amarok can monitor folders and automatically import new music. As to the 1st part, it depends on what you mean by "organize".
[01:41] <phunyguy_netbook> ronnoc_: banshee imports songs from other folders, and sorts them into my own folder structure in the central library, as well as making sure that library has the correct folder structure
[01:41] <Daskreech> phiscribe: From the bug you posted
[01:42] <phunyguy_netbook> ahahahaha changing themes fixed iut
[01:42] <phunyguy_netbook> it*
[01:42] <phiscribe> nuyts
[01:42] <phiscribe> nuts even lol
[01:42] <phunyguy_netbook> lol
[01:43] <phiscribe> how is a person suppose to figure that on their own, somone in here had to tell me
[01:43] <ronnoc_> phunyguy_netbook: Hmmm I don't think it will do that. It does write statistics and tags to the files well. I use Picard to organize my collection so that it's consistent no matter what media player I feel like using.
[01:43] <phiscribe> well u can change the theme back, and i think for this whole session it will be ok,, but reboot and have to do it again
[01:45] <phunyguy_netbook> hmm and no system tray with banshee... lol
[01:45] <phunyguy_netbook> maybe i will go the picard route
[01:45] <phunyguy_netbook> i just hope it can differentiate between various artist albums
[01:46] <ronnoc_> It does a great job. There's a little learning curve, but it rocks when you get it.
[01:47] <ronnoc_> and if it gets the wrong album (maybe yours has extra "bonus tracks" or whatever, you can always review / fix it before it writes tags and files. but most of the time it's spot on.
[01:48] <phiscribe> Daskreech, i bet that running as root causes it on some system to default to diffrent gtk theme
[01:48] <Daskreech> phiscribe: hmm the theme is trying to do some graphical trick that locks it out of the video card?
[01:49] <ronnoc_> phunyguy_netbook: it uses the MusicBrainz database
[01:49] <shane2peru> what is the default music player for Kubuntu 11.10?
[01:49] <phunyguy_netbook> yeah i like musicbrainz
[01:50] <phiscribe> Daskreech, somthing like that what do gimp and genie and banshee have in common i wonder
[01:50] <ronnoc_> shane2peru: Amarok
[01:50] <Daskreech> PhilRod: gtk ?
[01:50] <shane2peru> ronnoc_: ok, thanks! I upgraded, so I don't have that.
[01:50] <phiscribe> and why oxygen breaks it
[01:50]  * shane2peru runs off to install Amarok
[01:50] <Daskreech> shane2peru: though of course you don't have to go with the default :)
[01:50] <Daskreech> just saying
[01:51] <shane2peru> right, but going to give it a try, clementine hung on me today.  Not sure why started eating 100% cpu, and wouldn't close, had to forcefully killall clementine
[01:52] <shane2peru> So, can't hurt to check out the defualt,
[01:52] <ronnoc_> I just installed Amarok2 Remote from the Android store on my phone. YeeeeeeHaw it's awesome.
[01:52] <phiscribe> shadeslayer,  did you happen to be watching flash video
[01:52] <shane2peru> Course I'm always open for suggestions, if you have something better, light weight, simple to use etc.  Daskreech or anyone else.
[01:52] <phiscribe> shane2peru,  i meant
[01:53] <shane2peru> phiscribe: no, clementine is strictly music
[01:53] <phiscribe> oh
[01:54] <ronnoc_> shane2peru: You can check out Tomahawk if Amarok is not your thing. It's new but pretty cool and covers all the basics + a lot of online integration if you want it.
[01:55] <shane2peru> ronnoc_: will check that out, I actually basically do mp3, from my box, that is about it.  Pretty simple, with playlists.
[01:55] <Daskreech> shane2peru: there dragon player (super super simple) juk which I think is nice if you manage your music yourself.
[01:55] <Daskreech> I shamefully use Kaffiene
[01:55] <phunyguy_netbook> i tried clementine, but development on it is slow
[01:55] <ronnoc_> Since I use Amarok for all my Podcasts management and the fact that I have a Magnatune account, all which are intgrated with Amarok / KDE, I'm staying put :)
[01:55] <shane2peru> Daskreech: isn't Dragon the video player?
[01:55] <phunyguy_netbook> and it doesnt allow an easy way for separating VA albumsd
[01:55] <phunyguy_netbook> -d
[01:55] <Daskreech> shane2peru: doesn't stop it playing music :) hence why I use Kaffiene
[01:55] <shane2peru> hmm, juk, I forgot about that
[01:56] <Daskreech> Yeah Juk is fairly nice
[01:56] <phiscribe> mpd and a front end, ill play on a i486
[01:56] <Daskreech> Actually it does have a simple database I remember now
[01:57] <shane2peru> amarok is like owning a 5 disc cd changer, with tape deck, blueray, dvd-player, with and internet connection, usb plugins, and all I want to do is play mp3s. :)
[01:57] <Daskreech> aplay >_>
[01:57] <phiscribe> it'll that is
[01:57] <Daskreech> shane2peru: Try juk for a week
[01:57] <ronnoc_> shane2peru: lol
[01:58]  * shane2peru canceled 25mb Amarok to install 649kb juk, already likes it.
[01:58] <ronnoc_> shane2peru: That's probablywhy I like it - the more funnctions I can cram into one app (so lolg as I use them), the better ;)
[01:59] <shane2peru> ronnoc_: right, if I used all that stuff, probably would like it, but I'm pretty simple in that dept.
[01:59] <phiscribe> is juk 3.5 kde or 4
[02:00] <phiscribe> there is songbird if you like overkill
[02:00] <shane2peru> Juk version 3.7 using KDE Dev platform 4.7.1
[02:00] <phiscribe> though it has soome nice views
[02:00] <shane2peru> yes, tried songbird years ago, it was overkill for me, too much web integration.
[02:03] <mactalla> Does anyone here use ibus?  Fresh 11.10 install and an important chunk is missing (the choices list for partial matches).
[02:05] <shane2peru> ok, juk loses a point already, no multimedia keys pre-configured.
[02:08] <ronnoc_> shane2peru: what do you want for 649k? ;)
[02:08] <shane2peru> lol, only 1 point, I can manually configure them. :)  and enjoy the 649k.
[02:09] <Daskreech> shane2peru: dragon playeris super simple
[02:09] <Daskreech> juk is simple
[02:09] <shane2peru> however I wouldn't have complained at 652k with multimedia key configuration. ;)
[02:11] <shane2peru> yeah dragon is too simple, I just don't care for it
[02:21] <shane2peru> Exaile failed to get mentioned, I forgot about that one too.
[02:26] <Daskreech> :-)
[02:32] <shane2peru> this may be a longshot, does anyone know how to implement the sword://  protocol in the system?  or does it exist?  Seems to have to do with this:  http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=%22sword%3A%2F%2F%22%20%2B%20kde&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Flukeplant.me.uk%2Fkio-sword%2F&ei=E3yjTqKzKcy5tgfEiMCjCg&usg=AFQjCNEwW9rhc1YcW3u_Ns4Tq2cbmwOEpA&cad=rja
[02:32] <shane2peru> but is no longer active, wow that was a long link
[02:32] <shane2peru> http://lukeplant.me.uk/kio-sword/  that is the proper link
[02:33] <Daskreech> Should be able to register it as a kio
[02:35] <kesten> I am having problems using software-center.  Errors when i try to install any package.  In think the problem is related to my python configuration http://paste.ubuntu.com/716551/
[02:35] <shane2peru> some time ago I heard/read about development of that in Xiphos, but never did get it figured out, so was still curious about it.
[02:35] <kesten> Is it bad to have two entries for /usr/bin/python2.7  one that says manual and the other auto?  If so, how do i safely remove the second entry?
[02:37] <shane2peru> kesten: did you manually install python3.2?
[02:40] <kesten> yes, and it was a real headache.  I eventually found that i had pointed to 3.2 instead of 2.7.  I fixed the problem and things were working again, but today software-center broke with complaints from python
[02:41] <shane2peru> kesten: I ran into this before, but not with the software center, I ended removing the offending python, I recommend you remove your installed python 3.2, and I'm not sure how to do that, since it was manually installed.
[02:41] <Daskreech> update-alternatives
[02:42] <kesten> i need python3.2 for developing python.  I did run update-alternatives but it doesn't clear the second reference to python shown in the paste link above
[02:44] <kesten> also, nearly all the entries in /etc/alternatives have the symlink name (python) and a second entry like python.1.gz .  It's there for all the others, but not for python.
[02:46] <phunyguy_netbook> ok whoever it was that suggested Picard for music management... THANK YOU.
[02:46] <phunyguy_netbook> i mean WOW!
[02:46] <shane2peru> Picard?  how did I miss that one?
[02:46]  * jmichaelx never heard of picard
[02:46] <phunyguy_netbook> its not for playing, just managing,shane2peru
[02:46] <shane2peru> phunyguy_netbook: ahh, ok, thanks.
[02:46] <phunyguy_netbook> uses MusicBrainz
[02:47]  * jmichaelx goes off looking for picard
[02:47]  * shane2peru doesn't manage music, just listens to it. :)
[02:47] <phunyguy_netbook> shane2peru: I have to... organization is my... thing...
[02:47] <shane2peru> phunyguy_netbook: in that case, enjoy!
[02:47] <phunyguy_netbook> will do.
[02:48] <jmichaelx> i am very disorderly with nearly everything BUT my music
[02:50]  * jmichaelx wishes picard were not GTK
[02:54] <kesten> when i run sudo apt-get install -f  i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/716565/
[02:55] <kesten> kesten@kesten-K42Jr:/usr/bin$ ls -l /usr/bin/python
[02:55] <kesten> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2011-10-22 21:21 /usr/bin/python -> /etc/alternatives/python
[02:55] <jmichaelx> kesten: please please please do not flood
[02:55] <kesten> sorry
[02:56] <jmichaelx> kesten: please run 'sudp dpkf --configure -a'
[02:56] <jmichaelx> oops
[02:56] <jmichaelx> 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:56] <Sentynel> jmichaelx: er, I'm pretty sure picard is qt..
[02:57] <jmichaelx> Sentynel: i was just coming under the same impression
[02:57] <Sentynel> wish granted, then!
[02:57] <jmichaelx> yay!
[02:58] <kesten> it fails with http://paste.ubuntu.com/716570/
[02:59] <jmichaelx> kesten: i'm sorry, i should have looked more closely...it's looking like you have the wrong version of python set as your default
[02:59] <jmichaelx> kesten: which version of kubuntu are you running?
[03:00] <kesten> yes, but when i reset with update-alternatives --config python it doesn't fix software center or dpkg errors.
[03:00] <kesten> running ubuntu 11.04
[03:00] <jmichaelx> hmm
[03:01] <jmichaelx> and you're sure that you are not pulling from any non-11.04 repos?
[03:01] <kesten> i set it to /usr/bin/python2.7 but somehow it gets re-set to /etc/alternatives/python
[03:01] <kesten> explain more
[03:02] <jmichaelx> in other words, have you added any repositories to your sources.list that are not for natty?
[03:02] <kesten> i haven't made any manual changes to sources.list.  Where does it live?  how can i check?
[03:03] <shane2peru> jmichaelx: he installed python3.2 manually.
[03:03] <jmichaelx> kesten: it's located at /etc/apt/sources.list  ...you may also have additional repositories configured in the /etc/aptsources.list.d/ directory
[03:04] <jmichaelx> hmmm, but installing python 3 should not create any problems, as long as it's not the default
[03:04] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: ping
[03:04] <Daskreech> pong
[03:05] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: pong
[03:05] <jmichaelx> kesten: be very careful about changing your default python version in the future (not saying that is what you did)
[03:05] <Linkmaster> sorry to keep bothering you..did you get my last message about the card not working?
[03:06] <jmichaelx> kesten: it could also be that after you set python 2.7 as default, that you need to start a new session for the new config to apply? i am not sure
[03:06] <kesten> That is what i did.  I was following a blender install tutorial and made a typo.  Then all hell broke loose.
[03:07] <jmichaelx> kesten: yea, changing the default pythn can certainly cause hell, hades and everything else to break loose
[03:07] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: It says "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-KILL"
[03:08] <kesten> I followed several solutions from the forums, but I didn't see anyone with the weird double entry for python2.7 that i have http://paste.ubuntu.com/716578/
[03:08] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: hate to pick on you, but if kesten set his default python back to 2.7.x using update-alternatives, would he need to start a new session before those settings would take effect?
[03:09] <kesten> I have a feeling i need to remove the second reference, but i don't know how
[03:09] <jmichaelx> kesten: how did you install python 3? i notice it is installed to your /opt dir
[03:10] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: what does ls -l $(which python) say?
[03:11] <jmichaelx> kesten: i'm not sure that second reference to python 2.7 is anything to worry about
[03:11] <jmichaelx> kesten: run the command just suggested by Daskreech
[03:11] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: do you have the hardware switch for the wireless off or on?
[03:12] <kesten> ls -l $(which python) says http://paste.ubuntu.com/716582/
[03:12] <Daskreech> lol of course what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/python say ?
[03:13] <kesten> says "/etc/alternatives/python -> /usr/bin/python2.7"
[03:14] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: there isn't an optional switch, so thats not a problem. I reinstalled the STA driver earlier, and now its back to saying that eth1 is my wireless, and I could bring it up with the 'ifconfig eth1 up', w/o errors. But in my taskbar, it still shows the ethernet instead of wireless in my taskbar
[03:14] <jmichaelx> i am still thinking kesten may need to reboot before things settle down
[03:14] <kesten> which is strange because dpkg --configure -a give http://paste.ubuntu.com/716570/
[03:14] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Could just log out and back in
[03:15] <kesten> will try a reboot now.  Excuse me.
[03:15] <jmichaelx> kesten: you can just log out, then back in
[03:15] <jmichaelx> oh well...
[03:15] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: but when I hover over knetworkmanager, it says 'wireless disabled by hardware' ..
[03:16] <Daskreech> that's what the rf-kill error means
[03:16] <Daskreech> the wireless is turned off in hardware
[03:16] <Daskreech> Kill switch is on
[03:16] <Linkmaster> alright..then why could I bring the interface 'up' ? and my computer doesn't *have* a kill switch
[03:17] <jmichaelx> kesten: any improvement?
[03:17] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: do you dual boot?
[03:18] <Linkmaster> jmichaelx: yes, but I use windows so infrequently I consider it to be negligible
[03:19] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: is there any way to turn the killswitch using software?
[03:19] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: i understand... if other methods fail, it is slightly possible you could boot into windows, turn your wireless on there, then boot back into kubuntu
[03:20] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: i may not be fully understanding what your problem is, though
[03:20] <kesten> sudo apt-get install -f still gives same error about not pointing to python2.7 http://paste.ubuntu.com/716588/
[03:20] <Daskreech> !info rfkill | Linkmaster
[03:20] <Linkmaster> Windows doesn't work either, at least wirelessly..and I don't really like windows, so I don't really care to boot into it
[03:21] <jmichaelx> kesten: i asked abit ago about how you installed python 3... it does not appear that you installed python 3 from the ubuntu repos
[03:21] <Linkmaster> Alright...learned something new about rfkill, but how do I make it stop killing my card? xD
[03:21] <kesten> i think i searched in software center and came up empty so i followed the tutorial on blender.org
[03:22]  * jmichaelx i believe i have also seen rfkill conflicts between gnome and kde, if both are installed
[03:23] <kesten> i followed the tutorial located here http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:2.5/Doc/Building_Blender/Linux/Troubleshooting
[03:23] <jmichaelx> kesten: python 3 is in the repositories.
[03:23] <Linkmaster> Well, I learned about rfkill by using it, uhmm...it says that its hardware blocked as well, not sure where it could be going wrong
[03:23] <kesten> the interpreter is, but not the source to build and compile i think.  I was told i'd ned a -dev package
[03:25] <jmichaelx> kesten: yes, you would have been better off using the PPA this tutorial suggests for ubuntu users
[03:25] <jmichaelx> kesten: python does not get compliled
[03:26] <jmichaelx> compiled*
[03:26] <jmichaelx> it is an interpreted language, period
[03:26] <Linkmaster> I just opened up my computer, and the card is connected properly..
[03:28] <kesten> i recall i had problems following the instructions.  Probably because it was my first week with ubuntu shifting over from windows7.
[03:29] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: i have run into this same thing before... i don't remeber what i did. i vaguely remember not being able to get wireless going in KDE, booting into Gnome and being able to get it going there in gnome's network manager
[03:29] <kesten> if i follow the instructions now might it fix the problem?
[03:29] <kesten> or are things screwed up to badly and i need to clean things somehow first?
[03:31] <jmichaelx> kesten: it is possible that you could just delete python from your /opt directory.... although i have some concern about the places where you specified the paths to that python version
[03:33] <kesten> i'm following the instructions now.  sudo apt-get update gives a few errors about other packages but seems ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/716595/
[03:33] <jmichaelx> kesten: you could try running this first: 'sudo update-alternatives --remove /usr/bin/python python /your/path/to/python3.2 1'
[03:34] <jmichaelx> kesten: you may need to follow that up with 'sudo update-alternatives --config python' (i am just taking this from the tutorial you were following
[03:35] <Linkmaster> jmichaelx: I don't have access to a Gnome DE
[03:36] <kesten> is the syntax right?  update-alternatives: error: unknown argument `/usr/bin/python3.2
[03:39] <jmichaelx> kesten: all i did was replace '--install' with '--remove' (per your tutorial)
[03:39] <kesten> sorry, the config shows that i pointed to the python3.2 in my /opt/py32/bin rather than /usr/bin ...trying
[03:40] <jmichaelx> ok... that is confusing. what i mean i that your tutorial instructs you to install that way, so i am suggesting you use the same method to remove it
[03:40] <kesten> hmm, same error.
[03:41] <kesten> i'll check the man on --remove
[03:42] <kesten> yeah, --remove just takes name and path, install takes link name path priority... trying again
[03:42] <jmichaelx> kesten: yea, i checked that, it is there
[03:42] <jmichaelx> ok
[03:43] <kesten> yes that worked.  So now i will install correctly using the PPA and see if that helps.
[03:43] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I think its something about the card. I have my computer open in front of me, and the card is connected properly, and I there is absolutely no external kill switch. So I'm utterly confused on how the hardware could be turning it off
[03:44] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: It's possible I don't know how to use rfkill . maybe it can send an override signal to the OS
[03:44] <Daskreech> Well the driver
[03:44] <Linkmaster> I tried, 'rfkill unblock wlan' and it accepted it, but nothing happened
[03:44] <Daskreech> though honestly that kill signal shouldn't be overruled
[03:45] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Could be the card is messed up. You may have to boot into windows to see if it works. IF it does then that's jsut going to be frustrating :(
[03:45] <Linkmaster> Well, I have no freaking clue where its coming from, its brand-new. I think that this is the reason that my computer has been screwy
[03:45] <Linkmaster> *the problem that is
[03:45] <Daskreech> it's being the problem or the card?
[03:46] <Daskreech>  I remember you saying you had a new card
[03:46] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: you are by far not the only person wo has run into this... have you looked in the forums?
[03:46] <Linkmaster> The problem is new, and I think this kill-signal is where the problem is(and the new card is sitting on my desk)
[03:47] <Linkmaster> and jmichaelx, I can't usually, my school likes to block the forums that I could be using to help myself out
[03:48]  * jmichaelx rolls eyes
[03:48] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: i am sure that somehow tech forums could corrupt you?
[03:49] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I have two lists for wlan on rf-kill: "0: ideapad_wlan: wireless LAN, softblocked no, hardblocked no; 2: brcmwl-0: wireless LAN softblocked, no, hardblocked, yes"
[03:49] <Linkmaster> and jmichaelx, I'm positive they can..thats how I stumbled into Linux to begin with xD
[03:50] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: ok, you do have a point there
[03:50] <kesten> now update-alternatives gives "there is only one alternative /usr/bin/python2.7" nothing to configure, but still getting the same errors about not pointing to correct python default
[03:50] <Linkmaster> Of course, now that I'm using LInux, I can never go back, I don't care how difficult it gets =P but anyways...how to disable this kill-switch is my #1 priority
[03:51] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: have yu tried booting up without the card installed.... then installing it again, and botting back up?
[03:51] <Linkmaster> yep :l
[03:51] <jmichaelx> i know it seems tedious...
[03:52] <jmichaelx> drats
[03:52] <Linkmaster> I booted up, shut down, walked to my rarely open ethernet port, installed the STA driver w/o a problem, rebooted, to find that wireless has been disabled by hardware, according to knetworkmanager
[03:53] <jmichaelx> this could also be an issue with the OS wrongly guessing what your laptop model is...
[03:53] <kesten> the PPA tutorial ends with Now you're ready to start installing software from the PPA!   but doesn't say how.
[03:53] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: is there a Wireless on/off switch on the keyboard?
[03:53] <Daskreech>  a Fn+combo ?
[03:54] <Daskreech> kesten: it works the same way as installing anything else
[03:54] <jmichaelx> yea... Fn+combo should have been one of the first suggestions...
[03:54]  * jmichaelx feels silly
[03:54] <kesten> make; make install?  but from which directory?  where did the update install put it?
[03:55] <Daskreech> kesten: sudo apt-get install <programname>
[03:55] <Daskreech> Technically package name but it's almost the same
[03:55] <kesten> thx
[03:55] <Linkmaster> jmichaelx, Daskreech: yes, I have an Fn+F5 combo, I tried that, used 'rfkill list' and it said the thing was still hardblocked. I tried again, and now it shows both wireless options as being soft-blocked as well
[03:56] <jmichaelx> kesten: you need to brush up on some debian/ubunt basics before you do much more installing and removing of packages. that is where your main problem has been
[03:56]  * Linkmaster recommends using only the repos/.deb files
[03:56] <kesten> i know.  it's been 10 years since i was a unix user.
[03:57] <Linkmaster> Oh jeez, everythings changed since *I* started using Linux, which wasn't that long ago =P
[03:57] <jmichaelx> in the debian world, you should avoid hand compiling/installing much of anything.... especially if you are new
[03:57]  * Linkmaster takes sledghammer to his netbook
[03:58] <kesten> i can't atp-get install because of the same "not pointing to default python" i get when installing any package http://paste.ubuntu.com/716603/
[03:59] <kesten> :) i second that sledgehammer
[03:59] <jmichaelx> i am AGSINST the sldgehammer!!!!
[03:59] <jmichaelx> AGAINST*
[03:59] <Daskreech> kesten: pastebin  /usr/share/pycentral-data/pyversions.py
[03:59] <Linkmaster> maybe my computer is finally taking its revenge for all my testing I've done on it..
[03:59] <jmichaelx> you will get your wireless working again.
[04:00] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Umm
[04:00] <Linkmaster> Eventually, maybe, unless my hardware really is messed up, then its not going to happen =P
[04:00] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: pastebin your lsmod if you can ?
[04:00] <Linkmaster> Uhm...yeah, I can, in a backwards way
[04:00] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: you really do need to get to the forums on this one... ever considering subscribing to a VPN? reverse SSH tunneling?
[04:01] <Daskreech> The only thing I can think is that you have a bad driver or two drivers loaded
[04:01] <Linkmaster> jmichaelx: I was planning on installing linux on my moms computer, and VPN tunneling to her router
[04:01] <kesten> here's the pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/716604/
[04:01] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: that would be a good way around the silly things your school is blocking
[04:01] <Linkmaster> can I type that like "lsmod | cat ~/file.txt" ?
[04:02] <jmichaelx> kesten: was this a fairly fresh kubuntu installation?
[04:02] <kesten> fresh two weeks ago
[04:03] <jmichaelx> kesten: there would no doubt be a way fix your installation, but at this point i think i would suggest just starting out fresh again
[04:04] <jmichaelx> kesten: also, if you would install 11.10, python 3.2 is available in the standard repos
[04:04] <kesten> ok.  Process: find ubuntu 11.10, burn install cd, let er rip?
[04:05] <jmichaelx> kesten: yup... CD, DVD, USB... one way or the other
[04:05] <kesten> it wouldn't work just to upgrade to 11.10 like the pop-ups have been suggesting?
[04:06] <Linkmaster> its cleaner to do a fresh install =P
[04:06] <jmichaelx> kesten: i would not bank on it, but it isn't impossible
[04:06] <kesten> clearly.  Alright then.  It's off to a fresh start.
[04:06]  * jmichaelx agrees with Daskreech
[04:07] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: lsmod > ~/file.txt
[04:07] <kesten> Hey, thanks for all the help.  Despite the sledgehammer comment, this irc is a great way to learn about unix.  There was no such help when i started ...oops... 20 years ago.
[04:07] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: eh, I was close. http://pastebin.com/tJw6fLxa
[04:08] <Linkmaster> My sledgehammer comment was, thank you very much, about me destroying my own computer in a primate-like rage =P
[04:08] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: It's probably his debian/pyversions file needs love but yeah unless kesten wants to learn how dpkg runs might be easier to nuke
[04:08] <jmichaelx> kesten: we were not much help, but glad to talk with you
[04:08] <Daskreech> kesten: You can't upgrade. That means that apt-get is working which it isn't
[04:08] <Daskreech> You could do a lazy install but .... yeah
[04:08] <kesten> nonsense.  Much better than what i was getting from forum searches.  Do you have a tip jar?
[04:08] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: beginners (and non-beginners) can run into a whole mountain of bork, if their python configs get out of whack
[04:09] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: He won't be able to upgrade that's flat out not happening
[04:09] <Daskreech> assuming that kesten is a he
[04:09] <kesten> true nuf
[04:09] <jmichaelx> kesten: lol.... the only tip jar is a willingness to, while seeking help, also offer help to others when you can :-D
[04:10] <jmichaelx> yes, true... if apt is broken, you're at the end of the line
[04:10] <kesten> what, because i tip?  And yes, i will certainly pass the help along.
[04:10] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: anything discernible with that?
[04:11] <kesten> alright guys.  signing off.  I'll try the re-install now. Daskreech, not really i guess, but how'd you guess?
[04:11] <jmichaelx> i like it when this channel is active the way it used to be several years ago.... i think kubuntu is profiting from the discontent with unity
[04:11] <jmichaelx> adios kesten
[04:11] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: not really it can be fixed :) just way more work than payoff. Plus if kesten is just learning how to install then it's a good lesson on packagemanagement ummm management ? :)
[04:11] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: I'm trying to remember if i915 is the sata chipset or a intel wireless chip
[04:12] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: well, that is basically all i was saying
[04:12]  * Linkmaster learned the hard way that the packagemanager is a beautiful thing, and that kubuntu is NOT arch for a reason
[04:12] <Daskreech> kesten: What did I guess?
[04:12] <kesten> assuming that kesten is a he"
[04:12] <Daskreech> kesten: :)
[04:12] <Daskreech> I didn't guess. I assumed
[04:13] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: is the intel express family chipset
[04:13] <jmichaelx> actually, in the linux world, guessing someone is male is pretty safe
[04:13] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: right so looks like you have the wl chipset
[04:13] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: sadly
[04:13] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: agreed
[04:13] <Linkmaster> Hmm...
[04:13] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: bah I mean driver
[04:13] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: What happens if you do sudo modprobe -r wl && sudo modprobe b43 ?
[04:14] <Linkmaster> let us find out
[04:14] <Daskreech> kesten: hope to see you again with less distress soon
[04:14] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: it takes the command w/o error
[04:15] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: lsmod | grep b43
[04:15] <Linkmaster> It allowed me to turn on the wireless card though...hmm...
[04:16] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Check to see if you can flip the card on
[04:16] <kesten> Daskreech: surely.  One last question.  Is there anyway to debug step through pyversions.py?  that might be instcutive enough for me to try it.
[04:16] <Linkmaster> I'm not sure what that command is supposed to give me, it has a little bit of information. and I can do 'sudo ifconfig wlan0(it changed again) up" but it complains
[04:16] <Linkmaster> The original "no file/directory"
[04:17] <jmichaelx> anyone here have much experience using ubuntu with btrfs?
[04:17] <Daskreech> kesten: Of course but that's not your problem. It's just reading a file that debian uses to keep a track of which python it thinks is current
[04:17] <Linkmaster> jmichaelx: I was planning on trying that, and then realized I have more on my plate then I can deal with..xD
[04:18] <kesten> ok.
[04:18] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: we are getting somewhere. When I click the card on from knetworkmanager, rfkill list tells me that there is nothing blocking anything
[04:18] <Daskreech> that file probably has the wrong thing in there. debugging the pyversions.py will just get you the error message you read with a reason why
[04:18] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Right but you need the blobfirmware to get the b43 driver working
[04:19] <Daskreech> Ah broadcom
[04:19] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: ok lets flip back to wl
[04:19] <Linkmaster> Okay...how should I do this? xP
[04:19] <Daskreech> sudo modprobe -r b43 && sudo modprobe wl
[04:19] <Linkmaster> okay
[04:19] <jmichaelx> i need to install linux on a server here at work tonight, and am tempted to try it with btrfs...
[04:19]  * jmichaelx hates broadcom
[04:19] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: You are nuts :-p you know they don't use it in fedora
[04:19] <Daskreech> FEDORA
[04:20] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: They are LInux saviours now :)
[04:20] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: the moment I did that, it states that the card is turned off by hardware, so I think there might be an issue with the STA driver?
[04:20] <Daskreech> They open sourced the driver and are working in the Linux Kernel tree
[04:20] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: seems so
[04:20] <Daskreech> Do you have internet on that laptop?
[04:20] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: it is being used a fair bit in fedora.... they just backed off from making it default (as they had planned) in F16
[04:20] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Right do you know why?
[04:21] <Linkmaster> I have no internet on my kubuntu  laptop(lets call it the s10e, which it is, from now on)
[04:21] <kesten> ubuntu.com says 11.10 32 bit is recommended (i did a 64 bit before on advice from a friend).  What do y'all say?
[04:21] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: btrfs is already being used in production (on backup servers) here (though i have NO experience with it)
[04:21] <Daskreech> kesten: For Linux the only real difference is how much do you use Flash and how much memory you have
[04:21] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: the only reason i know of, is that fdisk tools are not ready yet
[04:22] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: the fsck to be specific
[04:22] <Daskreech> so you can't run a check on the file system to see if it's consistent or fix it
[04:22] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: yes, fsck is actually what i meant to type
[04:22] <Daskreech> without knowing the underlying structure yourself
[04:22] <Daskreech> For a server I'd say that's a pretty damning flaw
[04:23] <Linkmaster> btrfs is what you get when you make ext4 and reiserfs mate and have children =P
[04:23] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: it would be, except that this server is going to be used more or less as a third tier backup and testing machine.... otherwise i would not even consider it
[04:24] <Linkmaster> oh well, Daskreech, what should we do next?
[04:24] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: which model laptop?
[04:24] <Linkmaster> lenovo s10e
[04:24] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: right now i have to "manage" two machines running Nexenta (w/ ZFS).... talk about misery
[04:24] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: btrfs is what you get when you get super jealous of the rich kid's toys who won't let you play
[04:24] <Linkmaster> that as well xDD
[04:25] <Linkmaster> I keep meaning to try it out though, see if it works as well(if not better) then my standard ext4
[04:25] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i have co-workers who brag almost daily about btrfs.... but they do have (very) expensice toys to play with... i don't :-D
[04:25] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: OK. try sudo -i
[04:26] <Daskreech> echo 'blacklist acer_wmi' >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[04:26]  * Linkmaster enters godmode!!
[04:26] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:26] <jmichaelx> the machine i am gong to install on is a 4 or 5 years old sun server, and i just installed 2 new 1TB drives (makes me happy)
[04:26] <Linkmaster> type that whole line in?
[04:26] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: without the :-)
[04:27] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: you have wireless???
[04:27] <Daskreech> I can haz internetz wif out wires plz kthkx
[04:27] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I typed it in, nothing happened
[04:27] <Linkmaster> jmichaelx: nope
[04:27] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: init 6
[04:28] <Linkmaster> If I could, I'd always wire my stuff..so much easier.
[04:28] <Linkmaster> huh?
[04:28] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: next command to type in
[04:28] <Linkmaster> ah
[04:28] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: well, you'll need to reboot (or at least modprobe the correct module) before your blacklist helps you
[04:28] <Linkmaster> My computer just went wack
[04:29] <Linkmaster> it flashed, blinked, and rebooted. was it supposed to do that?
[04:29] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: that's what init 6 does
[04:29] <jmichaelx> at home, my modem and router are on one end of the house, my work deak (and 4 PCs) at another... not a lot of fun
[04:29] <Linkmaster> okay..is that like, super speed restart?
[04:29] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: sounds like somone needs to rethink the house
[04:29] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i rent, otherwise i would
[04:29] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: No that' the old fogey way of typing reboot
[04:29] <Linkmaster> yeah, really...the CID shouldn't be away from the tely xD
[04:30] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: More that you should move the work Desk to the other side of the house :)
[04:30] <Linkmaster> Oh, okay..well, it shutdown faster than my standard 'shutdown -r now'
[04:31] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: yea, but there is no place to put my desk there. i could possibly pay my cable company to bring their coax through a wall on the opposite side of the hous, but it would not be worth it to me
[04:31] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: what now?
[04:32] <Belial`> anyone else having to re-enable kwin effects after logging out and logging back in?
[04:32] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: the only annoying issue i had was using synergy between my two main PCs... which was easily solved with a crossover cable
[04:32] <Linkmaster> Belial: that might be a policy setting on the computer
[04:33] <jmichaelx> Belial`: if your kwin effect are working all right for you, you may need to go to your desktop effects settings, and tell it to disable functionality checks (advanced tab)
[04:33] <Belial`> jmichaelx: i'll check that now. so far everything is working fine. thumbnail previews weren't working for a while, but now they do.
[04:33] <jmichaelx> btw, synergy over wifi can suck
[04:34] <Belial`> other than that synaptiks keeps crashing on log out/in
[04:34] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: ?
[04:36] <Belial`> jmichaelx: i just checked to disable functionality checks. is that the norm? there won't be any issues as long as kwin effects were running fine?
[04:36] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: it's back up? what's the module loaded?
[04:36] <Daskreech> see if it's b43 or wl ?
[04:37] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: no, my computer just finished logging back in from the init 6 command
[04:37] <jmichaelx> Belial`: i have done it before with no adverse effects, in your situation.... but YMMV. you can give it a whirl, and switch back if you're not happy
[04:38] <Belial`> jmichaelx: alright. i'll give it a shot. thanks.
[04:38] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Oh. umm do the crazy thing and check if the wireless works
[04:38] <jmichaelx> np
[04:39] <Linkmaster> the one with the blacklist?
[04:39] <Daskreech> No I mean just see if your wireless is upp
[04:39] <Linkmaster> or the modprobe ones?
[04:39] <Linkmaster> oh, no..still disabled by hardware
[04:40] <Daskreech> Lenovo Useries seems to have the rf locked on upgrade to 11.10 and blacklisting acer_wmi seems to fix it. Didn't think it would work for the S series but can't hurt to try
[04:40] <Linkmaster> true, good idea
[04:41] <Linkmaster> well, I tried loading the b43 up, and it enabled my card from knetworkmanager w/o me even clicking on it, but it still shows an ethernet thing, the card isnt' up
[04:41] <jmichaelx> ubuntu needs to fix the 'Direct url for this download' on their ubuntu server page. it has been wrong for 2 iterations now. it indicates you'll be downloading the 64-bit version, but give you 32-bit
[04:42] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Yeah I think you need to run the b43-fwcutter to have that sorted out
[04:42] <Linkmaster> trying to bring up wlan0 on the other hand causes it to complain of the lack of file/directory
[04:42] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: what ethernet chipset is your wired network device using?
[04:42] <Linkmaster> broadcom fast gigabit or something
[04:42] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: is it also broadcom?
[04:42] <jmichaelx> hmm
[04:43] <Linkmaster> let me wait the night out, and install b43-fwcutter with internet access
[04:43] <Daskreech> I just want to report that a solution, when using the Lenovo s10-3s (probably the same trick for s10-3 or any other Lenovo) might be to boot into windows, and use the "hardware switch", which is actually the Fn+F5 combination, turn wifi on, and reboot..
[04:43] <Daskreech> From forums
[04:43] <jmichaelx> i am not saying this is the issue, but there have been recurring issues with driver conflicts on machines with both ethernet and wireless chipsets being broadcom on the same machine
[04:44] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: yes...i had recommended that 45 minutes or so ago
[04:44] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: No broadcom stuff has been acting up on Ubuntu machines for the past two releases
[04:44] <Linkmaster> its always been the same...and thats an interesting idea
[04:44] <Linkmaster> jmichaelx: I thought you meant in the linux =P let me try it
[04:44]  * Linkmaster notes that his still does xP
[04:45] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: i was not sure where that stood in ubuntu....  i know that in fedora 13 & 14, i had to blacklist my ethernet driver to get wireless to work, and vice versa
[04:45]  * Linkmaster starts to cringe as winblows boots up
[04:46] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: if i am not mistaken, fedora is using the FOSS broadcom wireless driver now, if a person's wirelss chipset id supported by it
[04:47] <Daskreech> It would
[04:47] <Daskreech> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[04:47] <Daskreech> from there probably
[04:47] <Linkmaster> is that useful for me, or not so much?
[04:47] <jmichaelx> yea, probably so
[04:47] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster: probably not at this point
[04:48] <Linkmaster> hmm, ALRIGHT
[04:48] <Linkmaster> whoops, caps lock
[04:49] <jmichaelx> maybe i spoke too soon... are people using the FOSS broadcom drivers in ubuntu nw in some cases?
[04:49] <jmichaelx> now*
[04:49] <Linkmaster> well...its not working at the moment. So, I'll be taking this as a sign that I need sleep, so I'll be coming in tomorrow, and I'll have ethernet access as well
[04:51] <Linkmaster> goodnight fella's, thank you very much for your help, I think we'll be able to get it by tomorrow. sleep well to those of you that do sleep
[04:52] <jmichaelx> buenos noches, Linkmaster
[04:55] <kesten> hey guys, i tried one last thing from a forum sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python .  Now the software center update and the python3.2 install worked.
[04:56] <kesten> I presume there may still be some funk left in the system, but i'll hold of on the nuking for tonight.
[04:56] <jmichaelx> kesten: good job
[04:56]  * jmichaelx just dl'ed ubuntu server 11.10 in 67s
[04:57] <jmichaelx> i wish i had that kind of speed at home :-)
[04:58] <Daskreech> kesten: :)
[04:58] <Daskreech> kesten: may want to relink i back to alternatives when you are done
[05:01] <kesten> I was already on it.  And yes, there is still funk in the system http://paste.ubuntu.com/716626/
[05:02] <kesten> looks like i will have to re-install sometime soon, but at least now i can work-around until i'm ready to do so.
[05:02] <jmichaelx> kesten: did you use 'sudo'?
[05:02] <kesten> not the first time, but the second yes.  The error about having to force because link group is broken is still there.
[05:03] <jmichaelx> kesten: obviously you seem close to having this straightened out, but i'm not sure what further steps you need to take
[05:04] <jmichaelx> i hope super-slow USB performance has not once again returned to this machine in oneiric
[05:06] <jmichaelx> at this rate it will take a very long time to make this bootable USB
[05:09] <jmichaelx> ok, at this rate it will take an our to make a bootable USB.... i hope this is just a bug in the USB creator
[06:06] <i_am_null> foobar
[06:52] <altin> anyone knows how can I stop kopete from autostart
[08:14] <Nightrose> hi folks
[08:15] <Nightrose> can someone help me figure out why i can't seem to make akonaditray not start on startup?
[09:27] <bastiaan_> i am having troube removing a package from my system, package is "xc-toos" its in an 'inconsistent state' and a general PITA. can anyone help me out?
[09:29] <bastiaan_> dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq xc-tools bais out with: no such file: /usr/src/xenbus-s3-fix-dkms-1.0
[09:34] <venice__> hi i'm experiencing unreasonably long boot times on a fresh install of 11.10, corresponding dmesg is http://pastebin.com/g0kdi5kB and a typical boot chart is http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/unicornoneiric201110231.png/ , any ideas would be helpful. 120 seconds or more certainly seem out of place since the system used to boot in about 45 seconds with 11.04 or the versions before it. :)
[10:01] <him> hay buddies
[10:03] <him> can any one tell me my BIOS displaying bluetooth fcc ID ppd-ar5b195-h but from system setting i am not finding any blue tooth adapter?
[10:03] <him> can any one help me?
[10:04] <him> pls help me? ! someone
[10:25] <ubuntu___> Is kubuntu 11.10 good enough to install it ?
[10:26] <Graf_Westerholt> ubuntu___, yes.
[10:28] <phoenix_firebrd> My system crashes when using bluetooth
[10:28] <similar> i installed kubuntu on my netbook via wubi. did it download a special netbook version? I cant find die paketmanager.
[10:29] <similar> *the
[10:29] <phoenix_firebrd> similar: you mean package manager?
[10:31] <similar> phoenix_firebrd: yes.
[10:31] <phoenix_firebrd> similar: the new package manager is called muon
[10:32] <phoenix_firebrd> similar: there is also a software center called muon-installer
[10:32] <similar> i know. but its not in the settings and i cant find it in die menu. do i have to start it via terminal?
[10:33] <similar> phoenix_firebrd: i know. but its not in the settings and i cant find it in die menu. do i have to start it via terminal?
[10:34] <phoenix_firebrd> similar: brb
[10:36] <yofel> similar: kmenu -> applications -> system -> package manager
[11:20] <similar> yofel: ty
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:17] <The_Jag> Hi, I have a problem: Each time I try to install something from MUON it says that another application is using the packages manager
[12:17] <The_Jag> Ho w to get rid of this app? I have just booted the system so I've started nothing
[12:20] <The_Jag> please anyone?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> The_Jag, in the terminal , sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:21] <The_Jag> thanks, let me try
[12:23] <The_Jag> thanks, it seems to have started working again (dropbox installation was somewhat put to freeze and that was the issue).
[13:01] <athena_> Is Konversation better than Quassel?
[13:01] <martin__> I wouldn't say so
[13:01] <martin__> but it's subjective
[13:01] <g0rs> athena_: it is better than quassel
[13:01] <g0rs> it has more features too and the interface is great
[13:01] <yofel> depends on what you're using
[13:02] <g0rs> smuxi irc client is good too
[13:02] <athena_> I just uninstall Quassel and now am using Konversation
[13:02] <Graf_Westerholt> How can I show in Quassel what music I am listening to at the moment?
[13:02] <yofel> konversation has more features than quassel's monolithic client
[13:03] <yofel> that much is true
[13:03] <athena_> Or, may come persons prefer to browser add-ons
[13:03] <athena_> like irczilla
[13:09] <thomas___> how to you get a list of chat rooms, this is my first time trying out quassel or even linux
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, whatever music you're listening to isn't allowed be notified in this chat
[13:12] <BluesKaj> to be
[13:12] <Graf_Westerholt> That was not my question. Read my question again.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Graf_Westerholt, perhaps you should rephrase your question then , because it implies what i just posted
[13:14] <Graf_Westerholt> I did not say that I want to post it here.
[13:16] <thomas___> how do i get a list of chat rooms i dopn't know any names
[13:16] <thomas___> i'm new to this
[13:16] <BluesKaj>  Graf_Westerholt then ask in #quassel
[13:17] <athena_> Does anybody offer me an channel URL of ubuntu irc instead of kubuntu irc?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> athena_, join #ubuntu
[13:19] <BluesKaj> athena_, you can edit your server list and add #ubuntu to the channels
[13:29] <thomas___> how do i get channel list anyone?
[13:29] <thomas___> i only have #kubuntu and #quassel
[13:30] <athena_>  I am chinese and many of chinese have been wishing that the edition can be named as 'Protected Panda'...
[13:31] <athena_> but finally it comes with Precise Pangolin
[13:40]  * BluesKaj wonders wth is a pangolin
[13:41] <rork> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pangolin
[13:42] <BluesKaj> yeah rork , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangolin
[13:43] <BluesKaj> and shuttleworth chose that animal for LTS :) ?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[13:46] <esmirlin> hy guys i've installed bespin and i don't know how tho choose that style on apps opened as a root
[13:47] <brainsail> i cant find the dvoak us keybord layout in keyboard settings. do i have to install somehting?
[13:54] <brainsail> s/dvoak/dvorak
[14:08] <luca> buongiorno a tutti
[14:09] <luca> ho un problema con la wifi
[14:09] <luca> c'è qualcuno che mi può aiutare per favore ?
[14:09] <BluesKaj> !it | luca
[14:10] <luca65> nessuno ?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> !it | luca65
[14:13] <luca65> ok ma non c'è nessuno
[14:20] <alexdevillx> no sound
[14:20] <alexdevillx> after reboot it works
[14:21] <alexdevillx> how to restart alsa server in kubuntu
[14:22] <alexdevillx> hey
[14:29] <delian66> alexdevillx: sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart
[14:29] <delian66> alexdevillx: if that does not work, try: sudo pkill pulseaudio
[14:30] <delian66> it should die and start again a second later
[14:30] <alexdevillx> PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions
[14:31] <alexdevillx> nope
[14:31] <alexdevillx> how to restart alsa
[14:32] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx,  sudo alsa force-reload
[14:33] <alexdevillx> hell
[14:33] <alexdevillx> it worked for the second now its bad
[14:34] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, open a terminal and type alsamixer
[14:34] <sithlord48> does anyone have a clue as to how i could have crashed bash ? i was tring to open the konsole on dolphin. working perfect before that after the konsole on dolphin opened i got two "bash has crashed" notes (in red) then an xdialog came up saying 'cant' start ksmserver' followed by a kdm or x crash , next thing i knew i was back at log in screen
[14:35] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, make sure none of the ctrl boxes are muted with an "M" , use the "M" key to unmute and the arrow keys to navigate and increase or decrease the volume'.
[14:35] <alexdevillx> kde tries to forget about deviced
[14:35] <alexdevillx> devices
[14:35] <alexdevillx> blueskaj i'm sure
[14:36] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, what sound card driver is listed i the top left in alsamixer ?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> sithlord48, konsole on dolphin ? were opening the terminal to put it into application config path ?
[14:42] <piedro> Hello! Can someone give me a hint how to start kjots migrator manually?
[14:43] <alexdevillx> ok
[14:43] <alexdevillx> If i had a good audiocard
[14:44] <piedro> Hello! Can someone give me a hint how to start kjots migrator manually?
[14:45] <alexdevillx> ok
[14:45] <alexdevillx> what linux should i use to understand how linux works?
[14:46] <alexdevillx> Like alsa is a sound server cups is a print server and so on
[14:47] <alexdevillx> Gentoo, Arch Linux or Slackware?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, what sound card driver is listed i the top left in alsamixer ?
[14:51] <alexdevillx> how to see my soundcard
[14:51] <alexdevillx> its like moduls
[14:52] <alexdevillx> modeprobs
[14:52] <BluesKaj> alsa is the sound driver , pulseaudio is a sound server , pulse can server several sound sources at the same time , alsa can't
[14:52] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, I already told you how to find the sound card driver in alsamixer
[14:53] <alexdevillx> HDA-Inter
[14:53] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx, cat /proc/asound/cards
[14:54] <alexdevillx> interrupt quewe 16
[14:54] <alexdevillx> and also logitech cam microphone
[14:55] <BluesKaj> alexdevillx,`for modules, cat /proc/asound/modules
[14:55] <alexdevillx> ok, why kde tries to delete my sound card from system?
[14:57] <alexdevillx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw
[14:57] <alexdevillx> ok, how can i learn how linux works?
[14:58] <alexdevillx>     Hoarders can get piles of money,
[14:58] <alexdevillx>     That is true, hackers, that is true.
[15:02] <sithlord48> BluesKaj:  sorry was afk i was hitting 'f4' in dolphin so i could run "make clean" in a code directory
[15:04] <alexdevillx> http://realgar.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/3635627339aea35a6edf.jpg
[15:11] <alexdevillx> modprobe list
[15:15] <alexdevillx> clear
[15:15] <BluesKaj> !who | alexdevillx
[15:16] <alexdevillx> how to clear screen in irc?
[15:16] <alexdevillx> quassel
[15:17] <TheEvilPhoenix> alexdevillx:  did you try /clear ?
[15:17] <alexdevillx> tried
[15:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> alexdevillx:  i dont see that option available in Quassel
[15:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> :/
[15:49] <avihay> I've made a stupid mistake. I tried to upgrade packages with muon. now it's stuck in the middle of a package, probably trying to get user input or something. I'm sorry I didn't listen. what do I do now?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> avihay, run sudo-apt get -f install , close muon if you can , first
[15:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> is there a way to connect to VPNs using NetworkManager?  In GNOME 11.04, there's a method in NM to do this - but i've configured the VPN in KDE's NetworkManager, and the option for the VPN connection doesnt exist.
[15:56] <chronos> someone have idea how get back my transparency and desktop effects after set dua monitor with nvidia-settings?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> chronos, did you install the recommended driver in jockey ?
[15:58] <chronossc> BluesKaj: ya, but when I set xinerama with nvidia and restart X I lost my effects
[15:58] <avihay> BluesKaj: can't, there's the lock thingy... will "rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock" work? also, do you think synaptic will take me back, even after I decided to remove it and use muon?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> avihay, no don't remove muon , just yet , try this in the terminal ,  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:00] <BluesKaj> chro and the desktop effects reuse to load ?
[16:03] <chronos> no luck yet :(
[16:04] <BluesKaj> chronos, and the desktop effects refuse to load ?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> which gfx card , chronos?
[16:07] <chronos>  nvidia 360m
[16:07] <avihay> BluesKaj: oh, it was dpkg that was stuck? btw, if muon doesn't show me the dpkg output, then I might as well shoot myself in the lag by installing something like kpackagekit. when muon just came out bout a year I've asked the muon developer not to fall into that pitfall. he told me that adding the terminal output is a bit of black magic, but that he plans on doing it. I'm so disappointed right now, this 1.4 ver doesn't look any better then the 0.4 of back
[16:07] <avihay> then :-<
[16:07] <chronos> and ya BluesKaj, my kde effects refuse to load
[16:08] <chronos> I need to go to lunch... brb
[16:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> is it possible to use Synaptic (the GNOME package manager) to manage packages here on Kubuntu?  Assuming, of course, I have both synaptic and the GNOME dependencies installed
[16:09] <avihay> yes, it is posible
[16:10] <avihay> they both work with apt/dpkg as the backend
[16:11] <avihay> infact, that's what I've been doing since I've started using kubuntu
[16:11] <BluesKaj> synaptic is my fav ..use it as a package reference
[16:12] <BluesKaj> avihay, so the dpkg --configure -a command fixed your problem ?
[16:14] <avihay> yes, from what I could tell. now I'm apt-get upgrading.  I've just upgraded from the alt-cd a few hours ago, and haven't rebooted yet
[16:15] <BluesKaj> ok cool ..alternate is usually the best install method IMO , avihay
[16:16] <avihay> mine too, the upgrade took less then an hour, no hair plucking for packages to download
[16:16] <avihay> I think so too*
[16:17] <avihay> also usually need less free space in my root folder to start the process
[16:19] <u19809> hi all how can I install libqt4-sql-mysql:386 on 11.10 ?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> yeah , i overestimated the space needed for /and swap, now I regret it , because I could use a bit more space on /home due to my music collection
[16:19]  * notGuest use kubuntu
[16:26] <BluesKaj> u19809, sudo apt-get install libqt4-sql-mysql
[16:26] <u19809> blueskaj : that installs the 64 bit version I need the 32-bit
[16:26] <avihay> I have a tiny 160gb hdd, I've set root to 40GB on my brother's advice
[16:27] <BluesKaj> u19809, do you have multiarch installed , if so then the 64 bit version should run on a 32 bit pc
[16:27] <avihay> over time, I find myself forced to move virtual machines to / because I ran out of room @home
[16:28] <avihay> now I have 1gb free in / and 0.2gb free in /home
[16:28] <BluesKaj> avihay, if kubuntu is all you are installing 40G is pretty small , the / file should be less athan 10G and swap 3Gmax
[16:28] <lee_> Eh, how do I get rid of some weird featre that is showing desk top with search and , Icons that move side ways.. and has a black opeque bar across the top with the 2 most primary accessed ites ,cpnquer,  system settings and dolphin
[16:28] <BluesKaj> avihay, the rest should go to /home
[16:29] <u19809> blueskaj : yes I have but 11.10 seems to have gone a different way ... you no longer need the ia-32 bit package.  my dpkg shows packages like libqt-sql and libqt-sql:386 which I presume is the 64bit and the second the 32 bit version of libqt-sql but I do not know how to install that 386 version
[16:29] <Cradam> BluesKaj: ehh swap shoudl be 2*RAM
[16:29] <Cradam> *should
[16:29] <u19809> cradam : no longer true
[16:29] <u19809> cradam : many years ago yes\
[16:29] <thomas____> Hallo
[16:29] <Cradam> u19809: so what is it now?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> u19809, I don't see a 32 bit version available in the repos
[16:30] <thomas____> wie geht es so?
[16:31] <u19809> cradam : I never use a swap partition I always use a swap file.  This is in the / filesystem.  Size depends on how many GB you want to go beyond your VM.
[16:31] <lee_> Hmm, I had to load ubuntu's recource jsut to get some needed items like the cmplete studio for the video end...that was wierd
[16:31] <Cradam> u19809: oh, your VM, sorry
[16:31] <BluesKaj> Cradam, depends on your RAM , if you have greater than 4G then usually aswap file isn't needed , other wise the 1.5xRAM rule works ok
[16:31] <Cradam> BluesKaj: i always like to keep a swap
[16:31] <avihay> BluesKaj: I like to install and experiment with lots of software and games, I think I need atleast 20/25G for a home folder
[16:31] <u19809> sorry VM = RAM ...
[16:32] <Cradam> and if you cant give away 6GB then you really need a bigger hard drive
[16:32] <avihay> and my swap is 3G or 4G
[16:32] <u19809> cradam : I have 8GB swap
[16:32] <Cradam> u19809: i was talking to blues then
[16:32] <BluesKaj> u19809, that's wasted space
[16:33] <lee_> at any rate, is there any way to reset or close out this really funky setting that has the search icon and 3 most used icons in an opequ black bar across the top and icons that are running side to side on the desk top?
[16:33] <Cradam> a frugal system only needs 512MB RAM
[16:33] <BluesKaj> but sorry I should have said swap partition , not file , u9, Cradam, avihay
[16:34] <u19809> blueskay : yes probably ... i have > 2TB diskspace ... currently 300 MB swap in use
[16:34] <BluesKaj> u19809,^
[16:34] <Cradam> PasNox: nice ipv6
[16:34] <lee_> has a lap top with a built in 128 megs, not shared and 4 gigs of ram
[16:35] <lee_> and it doesn't activate the swap
[16:35] <lee_> but I get some wierd WMI error
[16:35] <avihay> really? 300MB only? from the moment I log in, my swap starts at 1.5GB and usually settles at around 3.1GB (only have 2GB of ram though)
[16:36] <Cradam> lee_: whats the 128?
[16:36] <lee_> Video Ram
[16:36] <Cradam> lee_: ahh, i have 64MB dedicated and 1.2GB shared
[16:37] <Cradam> which is stupid
[16:37] <CoJaBo> How do I turn off the Oneiric spam prompt that appears every 5 minutes?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> avihay, that's a lot of memory usage ..hope that isn't at idle
[16:37] <lee_> cool <Gradam>, I jsut never seen a low end lap top with ts own ram lol
[16:38] <lee_> Acer5733z
[16:38] <sythe> Hey
[16:38] <Cradam> 5732z here
[16:38] <Cradam> and its C not G
[16:39] <avihay> what do you mean by "at idle"?
[16:39] <lee_> WOW
[16:39] <sythe> Can I protest the decision to disable compositing by default?
[16:39] <Cradam> avihay: when you arent doing anything
[16:39] <sythe> I think it's ridiculous
[16:39] <Cradam> lee_: do you get backlight problems?
[16:39] <sythe> We're not Lubuntu
 as in failure to adjust it , Yes
[16:40] <Cradam> sythe: ...
[16:40] <Cradam> lee_: ...
[16:40] <lee_> in Linux only though
[16:40] <Cradam> it is an effing C
[16:40] <BluesKaj> with no media running or lots of file open , heavy internet , with lots of sites open etc
[16:40] <lee_> Oh sory
[16:40] <sythe> What, Cradam?
[16:40] <lee_> <cradam yes, only in linux though
[16:40] <avihay> well, doing stuff doesn't really changes the usage, unless I load up a virtual machine. KDE loads my session from my last shutdown, and most of my programs are already on
[16:41] <BluesKaj> why the VM ...for work use or ?
[16:41] <Cradam> lee_: as in it doesnt turn on without you changing rc.local or somewhere?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> avihay, ^
, no that part functions fine
[16:42] <lee_> I jsut can not adjust brightnes
[16:42] <avihay> school, and privacy protection. I can't get tor to work reliably, so sometimes working out of a VM is close enough
[16:42] <BluesKaj> lee_, the tab key is your friend , no need for the < >
[16:42] <Cradam> yes just my model then
[16:42] <Cradam> lee_: ho cares about brightness
[16:42] <lee_> Cradam: ah thank you for the hint
[16:42] <Cradam> *who
[16:43] <avihay> sometimes I also need to run some legacy software that just won't run on a modern OS
[16:43] <lee_> BluesKaj: ah thans for the hint
[16:43] <avihay> even with wine
[16:43] <sythe> Hey
[16:43] <Cradam> avihay: you mean dosbox?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> avihay, ok , understood
[16:43] <lee_> Cradam: no the only issue I have is I inserted an older hdd that is dying.
[16:43] <Cradam> avihay: dosbox is better than running dos in a VM
[16:43] <avihay> no, I mean windows
[16:43] <sythe> Could I theoretically install the Muon Software Center on Arch?
[16:44] <Cradam> i inserted an older hard drive because the one which came with it dies
[16:44] <Cradam> *died
[16:44] <BluesKaj> sythe, ask in #arch
[16:44] <Cradam> 16 bad sectors according to the SMART data
[16:44] <avihay> you know, there was a company called microsol, I think, that made OSs in days long forgotten
[16:44] <Cradam> lol
[16:45] <sythe> How would they know, BluesKaj?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> sythe, or #arch-linux
[16:45] <lee_> Cradam: hmm wierd, I inserted an older HDD to test this out befor loading it on to the 500 gb HD
[16:45] <Cradam> lee_: nah not weird, it was just used heavily
[16:45] <BluesKaj> well we don't don't , this is kubuntu, sythe
[16:45] <BluesKaj> know
[16:45] <lee_> ah
[16:45] <Cradam> the guy i brought it off used windows if you can beleive it
[16:46] <sythe> BluesKaj: Kubuntu uses it
[16:46] <Cradam> i did get it for £200 though :)
[16:46] <lee_> Cradam:  was suprisngly pleased to find out that out of the box it had drivers for our Kodak 5200
[16:46] <Cradam> wont ever buy an acer again though
[16:46] <Cradam> lee_: i dont see what that has to do with the machine
[16:46] <lee_> lol I won't ever buy a dell
[16:47] <Cradam> i wish i could build my own lappie
[16:47] <Cradam> i always build my own desktops
[16:47] <BluesKaj> sythe, yes , I have it installed , but what does that have to do with arch ?
[16:48] <spacebug-> finally found out what made my audio crash. Root trying to play sound through kde's audio server started by my user
[16:48] <lee_> Cradam: well in machine wise, I  havn't had any issues with the 5733z how ever on my mom's acer dear lord, that as the worst machine Acer ever made
[16:48] <sythe> BluesKaj: the Kubuntu team made Muon
[16:48] <sythe> I believe
[16:48] <Cradam> lee_: if i close the lid on this machine i have to run a setpci command to turn the backlight on
[16:49] <BluesKaj> sythe, weren't you asking about arch or are you just trolling here?
[16:49] <Cradam> and i have to turn all my power savings settings down sso my backlight doesnt turn itself off
[16:49] <lee_> Cradam: weird, mine loads up normally, but then this thing has no HDMI port
[16:50] <lee_> even hen shutting the lid
[16:50] <sythe> BluesKaj, the kubuntu/muon devs would know
[16:50] <Cradam> lee_: well it is a different model
[16:52] <BluesKaj> sythe, then ask them if muon can be installed in archlinux ...isn't hat what you wanted to know ?
[16:52] <lee_> Intel Pentium P6100 / 2 GHz • 15.6" • Notebook •4 GB RAM • 500 GB HD •
[16:53] <sythe> I guess
[16:53] <lee_>  Cradam does yppen to have built in video ram?ours ha
[16:53] <lee_> Cradam: eh does that model have built in Ram?
[16:54] <lee_> oh and paid 500 us
[16:54] <avihay> sythe: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/introducing-qapt-and-the-muon-package-manager/
[16:54] <Cradam> lee_: what laptop doesnt have built in ram?
[16:55] <lee_> lol, i mean something above the usual 64 meg
[16:55] <lee_> or 4 megs
[16:56] <Cradam> oh you mean video ram
[16:56] <lee_> yes
[16:57] <Cradam> yes just 64MB
[16:59] <lee_> I hate to ask this but is it Intell, ATi or Nvida?
[17:00] <lee_> and are you using or hVING TO USE NON SUPPORTED DRIVERS?
[17:00] <lee_> oops didn't mean for the caps
[17:03] <lee_> Cradam:  also is your pr processor MMX?
[17:06] <Cradam> lee_: huh?
[17:07] <lee_> Does your rocessor support MMX (multi media extension)?
[17:07] <Cradam> no idea
[17:08] <lee_> klick on the menu, searhc for system info
[17:08] <Cradam> in a bit
[17:08] <lee_> ah ok
[17:08] <Cradam> im installing kde atm
[17:09] <lee_> ahh.. that is what I am running
[17:09] <avihay> lshw|grep mmx
[17:09] <lee_> Oh after that, to find anything, you might want to add ubuntu software sources
[17:09] <Cradam> well that is why you are in #kubuntu and not #ubuntu or #xubuntu or #lubuntu :P
[17:09] <lee_> I hate this Muon
[17:10] <lee_> lol
[17:10] <Cradam> lee_: yes i have mmx
[17:10] <lee_> Well, to get the Video editor to work right, I had to down Load ubuntu software then, I had to download Video-studio then udated blender
[17:10] <jugger> по русски шпрехен кто нибудь?
[17:11] <lee_> glad to hear you have that part
[17:11] <Cradam> lee_: i dont edit video
[17:11] <lee_> Cradam:  ah
[17:11] <Cradam> lee_: why do you need to know
[17:11] <Cradam>          capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx x86-64 constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm cpufreq
[17:12] <lee_> Cradam:  because in some laptops people were having issues specifically with the ideo
[17:12] <chronos> there is a way of dump actual xorg.conf used / generated by default by ubuntu?
[17:12] <lee_> video
[17:12] <avihay> as far as I know mmx<sse<sse2
[17:12] <jugger> подскажите кто нибудь че заменить виндовскую софтину corelvideostudio
[17:13] <Cradam> avihay: well i have all 3
[17:13] <avihay> !ru | jugger
[17:13] <RickKnight> I have Kubuntu 11.10. I need to load module snd-pcm-oss from oss-compat but the new kernel does not include oss support. How do I recompile the new 3.0 kernel to add this support. Can someone point me to a current howto?
[17:13] <lee_> Cradam: the one most anoying one is the "blue hue "
[17:14] <lee_> Cradam: AKA Blue colord videos
[17:14] <lee_> say is there any one here with Knowledge on the settings, as in how to deactivate the portion of the desktop that has all the weird settings
[17:15] <avihay> lee, can you elaborate on "the portion of the desktop that has all the weird settings"
[17:17] <Cradam> ooh kde is nicer on a machine with decent specs
[17:17] <lee_> avihay:  yeah , it is the settings that gives a Black opeque bar with 3 Icons in it at the top ot the screen, along with 2 Icons which are Knoq, dolphin and system settings , then in the cneter of the screen  are other icons
[17:18] <lee_> book marks, contacts,  multimedia, and the like and they move sideways like as though you are on one those pad thingys
[17:18] <Cradam> brb
[17:18] <Cradam> oops no dont need to go
[17:18] <lee_> Cradam: yes it is :)
[17:18] <avihay> lee, sounds like you are talking about the netbook workspace
[17:18] <lee_> ok..
[17:18] <lee_> so how do I deactivate it lol
[17:19] <lee_> avihay: and get back t y regualr settings
[17:19] <avihay> try system settings->Workspace appearance and behaviour->Workspace behaviour->workspace->workspace type
[17:20] <lee_> avihay ok brb
[17:20] <avihay> no need for a restart
[17:20] <avihay> or re-log on
[17:20] <lee_> Treid the relog in that didn't bode well lol...ok brb
[17:20] <Cradam> ooh kopete supports skype
[17:25] <Cradam> eugh konq is crap
[17:26] <BluesKaj> anyone get google earth working on kubuntu 11.10
[17:26] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:26] <Cradam> seems to be working here, no earth yet though
[17:27] <BluesKaj> google earth is installed but fails to launch here..even got lsb-core installed but I guess that doesn't help much anymore
[17:27] <Cradam> that your problem?
[17:27] <lee_> ahhh, I found the issue it was the search thing
[17:28] <lee_> thanks though
[17:28] <Cradam> its probably my connection which is failing with google here
[17:28] <Cradam> also it is 11.04 here
[17:28] <mokush> how can I set the maximum number of characters before the items names get cut with '..', in dolphin, system settings, etc?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> Cradam, yeah i had google-earth working on 11.04 , but not on 11.10 so far
[17:29] <Cradam> BluesKaj: im a mint user, thats why im on 11.04
[17:30] <lee_> Skye wors well in Linux
[17:30] <lee_> skype
[17:32] <Cradam> lee_: works better on windows
[17:32] <lee_> A hell of a lot better then windows
[17:32] <lee_> lol
[17:33] <lee_> I am guessing that most of my crashes are in relation to an older HDD this HDD I am using is at least 8 years old
[17:34] <lee_> My 160 took out my PS3 as I was updating the PS3..Bad HDD...corrupted the firm ware.ouch
[17:35] <lee_> at any rate, I like KDE a lot better then that uBUNTU... I beieve change is good..that that was not a good change
[17:35] <Cradam> lee_: you mean unity
[17:35] <lee_> Cradam: eh yeah..not so unified
[17:36] <lee_> That is why I went to KDE
[17:36] <Cradam> unity is good for some people, NOT ME
[17:36] <lee_> Cradam: Not for me either...I havn't tried the cloud service yet.
[17:37] <Cradam> lee_: win 8 also looks crap
[17:37] <Cradam> *crappier than usual
[17:37] <lee_> Cradam: LOL, I didn't even want to beta test it lol
[17:38] <Cradam> who would
[17:38] <Cradam> i do know one guy who did, he didnt like it
[17:38] <lee_> Cradam:  Ouch, I think once win 8 comes out people will probably be fed up enough and ether turn to SX or Linux
[17:38] <lee_> *OSX
[17:39] <lee_> I looked at it in the reviews on youtube, it was not very pretty
[17:39] <lee_> I think in this case KDE is ballaced with both looks and power
[17:40] <Cradam> ooh i hope OSX becomes popular
[17:40] <voodoo123> To be honest, Win8 isn't horrible when using it. I've been messing with the developer version on my laptop and its just getting use to where things are.
[17:40] <lee_> well at lest it is a lot less stressfull to run
[17:40] <lee_> ahh
[17:40] <lee_> I hear it runs a lot less ram
[17:40] <Cradam> if OSX becomes popular i will finally be able to use unix commands when fixing comps
[17:40] <lee_> :)
[17:40] <voodoo123> Yeah, it runs very smooth, even for the developer version. Very light on RAM.
[17:41] <lee_> But I need something that won't cost me an arm and a leg
[17:41] <lee_> Is it totally cloud based or indepnadnat
[17:41] <Cradam> i wonder if it will me much easier to install mac when uefi comes around
[17:42] <lee_> OOOO Mack on regualr PC
[17:42] <lee_> I have done that :)
[17:42] <lee_> Jsut wish ACEr could run it :(
[17:42] <lee_> then Linux and OSX  hehe
[17:43] <voodoo123> Well, other the the EFI being required, there will still be driver issues for the hardware for OSX.
[17:43] <Cradam> i think it wont be IMPOSSIBLE to install linux when it comes around, just much harder
[17:44] <lee_> Yeah, running OSX on a dell Machine...I was having horrid issues with wondows and a freind game me an OSX disk
[17:44] <Cradam> less newbs is always a good thing
[17:44] <lee_> I think Apple roof would be blown off if they amed it where there OS could load onto any computer
[17:44] <BluesKaj> fewer is the word
[17:44] <GirlyGirl> !ot | lee_
[17:45] <GirlyGirl> !ot | Cradam
[17:45] <lee_> oops
[17:45] <lee_> we better get back to Kubuntu lol
[17:45] <BluesKaj> GirlyGirl, morphs into OT cop
[17:46] <lee_> One hting is for sure..I like all the educational software
[17:46] <Cradam> lee_: i private messaged you
[17:47] <Cradam> GirlyGirl: you know you could have just printed it once and just told us to look at it
[17:47] <Cradam> aka less spam
[17:47] <lee_> hmm true
[17:48] <avihay> ot pipe to both of ya in one line, ubottu wouldn't know better (or... worse?)
[17:48] <Cradam> ooh konsole is cool
[17:49] <Cradam> avihay: nah 2 lines just less stuff on the second line
[17:49] <Cradam>     !ot
[17:49] <Cradam> output
[17:49] <Cradam> Cradam: lee_
[17:49] <Cradam> oops
[17:49] <avihay> !ot | lee_ Cradam
[17:49] <Cradam> i didnt expect it to get that because of the white space
[17:50] <avihay> ubottu is a good
[17:50] <avihay> bot
[17:50] <avihay> and so modest
[17:50] <Cradam> lol
[17:50] <Cradam> ubottu is a god
[17:50] <Cradam> gods are stupid
[17:51] <lee_> ubottu:  but even bots have Artifica intellegence
[17:51] <lee_> At any arate, is there any one that can for the life of me answer one simple question?
[17:52] <lee_> why do I have to Load Ubuntu recources to get some of KDE functions?
[17:52] <lee_> Example with ffmpgthimbnails
[17:54] <lee_> I couldn't get FFMPG thumbnails through Muon, but had to get it through Ubuntu resource center ahs any one else happend across that odd issue?
[17:54] <Cradam> lee_: ubuntu != a window manager
[17:54] <lee_> Where are befor both ubuntu and kubuntu shared the same recources
[17:54] <Cradam> kde == a window manager
[17:55] <lee_> I realize that
[17:55] <Cradam> kubuntu is just ubuntu that uses kde
[17:55] <lee_> ahhh
[17:56] <lee_> CradamI understand, but then why do I need both recources Ubuntu and Muon
[17:56] <lee_> that confuses the heck out of me lol
[17:56] <Cradam> whats muon
[17:56] <well_laid_lawn> !info muon
[17:56] <lee_> Cradam: it is KDE's area where you go to to install rograms
[17:57] <Cradam> ahh alternative to synaptic
[17:57] <Cradam> i use neither
[17:57] <lee_> What, Its Optiona!
[17:57] <avihay> it'z ze new package manager for kubuntu, I don't thin it's mature enough yet. use apt-get or synaptic
[17:57] <Cradam> lee_: package managers just use apt-get
[17:57] <BarkingFish> apper works too if you can get used to it, and it's better looking than muon
[17:57] <lee_> Cradam: yeah been doing that
[17:58] <Cradam> i dont use synaptic, dont see why anyone would need to
[17:58] <lee_> I removed Muon
[17:59] <avihay> you don't need to use synaptic, you want to use synaptic
[17:59] <Cradam> avihay: ...
[17:59] <lee_> yeah, I found that synaptic allows for better control, and when something breaks...
[17:59] <Cradam> why the hell would you
[17:59] <avihay> ^^
[17:59] <Cradam> nope
[18:00] <avihay> synaptic is much more fun to use then apt-cache search
[18:00] <BluesKaj> Cradam, synaptic is the most stable package manager for those who require one , and it's also agood refernce for available packages , which is why i use it .
[18:00] <Cradam> avihay: nope i prefer apt-cache
[18:01] <Cradam> avihay: i am an avid terminal user
[18:02] <lee_> hmm so far this is what I have figured out...apt-get is needed fr installing files from other sites, synaptic is a way to view files and see what there about, where as the sftware center places it all into a nice pretty graphical package
[18:02] <avihay> for me and blueskaj
[18:02] <avihay> Cradam: let me finish my sentence first! :-p
[18:02] <BluesKaj> Cradam, to each his own , but when one uses the search in synaptic , one gets a list of assocaited apps/packages that one doesn't see with apt
[18:03] <lee_> how ever apt get is very powerfull and will correct any issues
[18:03] <avihay> lee_: no, they are the same, or to be more exact, synaptic is a front end to apt
[18:03] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: Muon is the same way. And looks way better IMO.
[18:04] <lee_> avihay: ah thanks
[18:04] <BluesKaj> Cradam, I'm also an avid konsole user , but it doesn't preclude me from using synaptic as a handy reference
[18:05] <lee_> I think it all on user preference
[18:05] <lee_> no rite or wrong
[18:05] <Cradam> BluesKaj: konsole is a terminal emulator, therefore i am an avid terminal user
[18:06] <avihay> ronnoc: Muon might look better, but you can't see the terminal output, so it's not a real improvement over kpackagekit
[18:06]  * ronnoc Wonders why, when he selects US English language and US English for KB layout, Kubuntu insists on downloading and installing so many diferent language packs? Is this necessary?
[18:07] <BluesKaj> ronnoc, looks way better ? okaaay , like i said , to each his own ...eyecandy isn't a requirement for me to use a good app
[18:07] <ronnoc> avihay: If one needs terminal output wouldn't they just apt-get?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> Cradam, split hairs if you wish konsole terminal ..there's not a whole lot of difference in the real world
[18:08] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: True, that doesn't make it good. I agree there.
[18:08] <lee_> just tried to install kpageit
[18:09] <avihay> why would you use a graphical package manager to select packages you want to manipulate, then copy it all by hand (cause as far as I saw, only synaptic exports to scripts) to the terminal to use apt-get, when you can just do everything from the same gui?
[18:09] <lee_> it failed due to dependecy issues
[18:09] <avihay> ronnoc: ^^
[18:09] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: But with how Muon is today (The package manager, not the SW center) I can't find anything that the GTK-based synaptic does that Muon won't do. But hey, that's the great thing about GNU/Linux :)
[18:11] <lee_> ronoc hs a point, I have a need for some items in the video editing area like I needed everything allin oe shot so I went  for ubuntu studio video editor
[18:12] <lee_> I could not obtain the needed application and software throught the Muon
[18:12] <yofel> kpackagekit was renamed, it's apper now
[18:12] <lee_>  also needed some portions of eubuntu
[18:13] <lee_> that I could not get in Muon either
[18:13] <ronnoc> lee_: There's a setting in Muon to pull both suggested AND reccomended packages, but it's not enabled by default
[18:13] <lee_> avihay: oh?
[18:13] <lee_> ronnoc: that i did not know
[18:13] <yofel> it's not enabled by default for apt-get either
[18:14] <avihay> I asked muon for a list of all packages. if muon isn't lying, the ubunto repositories only have bout 1000 packages
[18:14] <lee_> oh wait, I did select a setting that should have allowed for that
[18:14] <lee_> hmm just a sec
[18:15] <ronnoc> lee_: I'm assuming it's defaulted like that for space-concious kubuntuers :)
[18:15] <avihay> also no audacious in the repositories, funny, I just saw it the other day with synaptic
[18:16] <ronnoc> yofel: apt-get will prompt to install reccomnded packages though, just not suggested, right? (going from memory here)
[18:16] <lee_> ronnoc: not sure how it is set up.. i got so irked that i went this method of using ubuntu resource
[18:16] <yofel> right
[18:16] <lee_> but, i will hve to reload it
[18:17] <ronnoc> lee_: ahhhh
[18:17] <lee_> there are a total in ubuntu resources of
[18:17] <lee_> 55,934 items
[18:18] <lee_> I would say Muon is in error
[18:20] <lee_> thatis the number that Ubuntu Resources gives me
[18:21] <lee_> avihay:  I knoticed that as well
[18:21] <lee_> avihay: aobut no Audaciouse
[18:22] <avihay> funny thing, apt-get finds it just fine
[18:23] <lee_> avihay: yeppers
[18:24] <lee_> eh another case of Hury u and get it out?
[18:24] <lee_> eh*up
[18:27] <BluesKaj> Muon showed alot of promise at first , but it was crashing and clunky and still freezes sometimes when i try it. Dunno what the devs did to it but doesn't work nearly as well in 11.10 as in 11.04
[18:27] <jamil_1> why does muon ask for the root password after a long delay
[18:28] <lee_> Hard to say, I knoticed that my self
[18:28] <lee_> So I changed over to the Ubuntu recources
[18:29] <BluesKaj> justlike apt , it requires a pw , but only after you select a package to install . jamil_1
[18:29] <lee_> BluesKaj: hmm could it be searching for all the denencies as wwell?
[18:30] <jamil_1> BluesKaj: even after I have selected a package and asked it to install it takes significantly long time
[18:30] <Snowhog> lee_: Muon Package Manager finds audacious here just fine.
[18:31] <lee_> Snowhog: weird, I wonder why some of us have issues?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> I have Muon setup as an alias and it's path is in my nopasword list in the sudoers file , so it kaunches as a sudo user
[18:31] <lee_> Snowhog: how many packges are listed in the total?
[18:31] <Snowhog> lee_: And, Muon reports 36,495 packages available,1,238 installed, 0 upgradeable
[18:32] <BluesKaj> err launches
[18:32] <lee_> weird
[18:32] <lee_> ubuntu Sotware center is stating that there is over 55k
[18:33] <lee_> Snowhog: have you compared tht to Ubuntusoftware?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> jamil_1, could be a depends search that's slowing it down, alright
[18:34] <jamil_1> BluesKaj: how do you add it to nosudoers list ?
[18:35] <Snowhog> lee_: I don't have Ubuntu Software center installed. I utilize Muon, so there is Muon Software Center, and it, unlike Muon Package Manager, doesn't show figures.
[18:36] <jamil_1> Also, Dolphin/samba are behaving oddly
[18:36] <jamil_1> I share a folder and allow guest acess but if I check again, guest access is disables
[18:36] <lee_> Snowhog: does it have ffmgthumbnailer?
[18:36] <jamil_1> disabled
[18:37] <avihay> my usage expiriance with package managers: kpackagekit: "I'm installing some stuff, just so you know." <after a long while> "I'm installing some stuff, just so you know." <clicks on the MOAR info button> "Look, I have a shiny bar that moves backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards, hows that for more info! ps, there was some error. I might have written it to a log file, might not have, I'll let you figure it out yoursellf, because I have a shiny
[18:37] <avihay> progress bar I need to animate! backwards and forwards backwards and forwards..." muon: "I'm installing package x now, and at y% of total" <after a while> "I'm installing package z now, and at 20% of total" <after a long while> "I'm installing package z now, and at 20% of total, oh, I'm not telling you anything else, you can't close me nicely, and if you kill me, my subprocesses are still going to run wild and do their own thing and lock the package
[18:37] <avihay> managment system untill you go around and release them yourself, manually, and go figure out how to do that on your own" synaptic:"look, I'm ugly, and I might not be the brightest lamppost in the street, but I'm gonna help ya find 'em packages, then we gonna sit in the shade and watch apt doing all the hard work" apt (from within synaptic): "looksee here, I've seem to have failed to install something previously (It was the issue that kpackagekit didn't
[18:37] <avihay> show me), just run apt-get install -f and everything will be shiny again"<apt was right, and I guess, by proxy, so was synaptic>
[18:37] <FloodBotK2> avihay: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:37] <FloodBotK1> avihay: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:37] <Snowhog> lee_: ffmpegthumbnailer -- yes, it is listed in Muon Package Manager
[18:37] <lee_> weird
[18:38] <lee_> Snowhog: weird that didn't list in mine
[18:38] <lee_> hmm how about video-studio
[18:39] <lee_> oh.. package manager...ok..
[18:40] <Snowhog> lee_: video-studio -- no. Must not be a package in the standard repositories.
[18:40] <lee_> ah.. ok
[18:41] <lee_> Snowhog: ahhh..  ok... that explains a few things
[18:41] <lee_> Snowhog: that i couldn't link to
[18:41] <lee_> Snowhog: untill i got ubuntu software center
[18:43] <lee_> I wonder why they did that becaue 11.04 everthing was eid togeather...and Open shot does not function wellin the new ubuntu
[18:43] <jamil_1> is there a reasonable file manager for kde ?
[18:43] <lee_> and I didn't feel like having to load an entire seperate Desk top to run two things
[18:43] <jamil_1> other than Dolphin
[18:44] <yofel> konqueror
[18:45] <Snowhog> lee_: Here, I have activated, Kubuntu software for (main) (universe) (restricted) (multiverse) as well as having active, Kubuntu updates for Important security, Recommended, and Unsupported. I have the medibuntu, Canonical partners, and Independent repos active as well.
[18:45] <yofel> lee_: kpackagekit had it's issues (ok, it's not like muon doesn't, but anyway...) and like this it's more kUBUNTU style - as ubuntu has the SC and synaptic too
[18:46] <lee_> Snowhog: i have the sec updates and had 2 of the 4
[18:47] <keithzg> You know what *doesn't* have issues? aptitude ;)
[18:47]  * keithzg is an old man
[18:47] <BluesKaj> jamil_1, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1132821
[18:47] <yofel> keithzg: would be nice... it doesn't support multiarch in oneiric since nobody cared about it :(
[18:48] <lee_> yofel: Hmm I was more like having issues wih muon...
[18:48] <yofel> lee_: then install apper if you want, that's kpackagekit
[18:49] <keithzg> Wait, really? Aptitude doesn't support multiarch in the new release? That seems insane, that a commandline program that's the primary Debian package manager would lack something like that in a distro release . . . wow.
[18:49] <lee_> ah apper is its new name
[18:49] <yofel> keithzg: bug 831768
[18:58] <keithzg> Sounds to me more like multiarch just isn't ready for primetime yet...
[19:00] <BluesKaj> keithzg,  aptiude isn't as usable as it once was ..apt-get handles dependencies etc just5 as well or better now
[19:01] <yofel> yes, but it still only gives you one resolution, while aptitude lets you choose between different ones
[19:01] <keithzg> BluesKaj has apt-get been seriously revamped since 11.04, then? That's what I'm on still (thanks to the update manager failing) and...
[19:01] <yofel> as what apt-get tells me isn't necessarily what I want it to do
[19:01] <keithzg> ahh, yofel hits it, that's what I was about to ask.
[19:02] <keithzg> Sounds like if I can convince my main system to update to 11.10 the first thing for me to do is disable multiarch then.
[19:03] <BluesKaj> multiarch works well hewre , but I'm on 64 bit
[19:03] <kartick> when i start audacity 8 windows of audacity is opened autamatically? why????
[19:04] <kartick> How can i solve the problem??
[19:04] <keithzg> I'm on 64-bit as well, and I don't see what benefit I'd gain from multiarch (been running 64-bit fine for, what, 5 years now?)
[19:04] <yofel> you need multiarch for skype and 32bit flash in oneiric
[19:04] <yofel> although 64bit flash is in partner now
[19:04] <keithzg> I just use skype on my phone, and I've always used 64-bit flash when I use flash at all.
[19:05] <yofel> good, then feel free to disable multiarch
[19:05] <yofel> which is what I did
[19:05] <keithzg> Cool cool :)
[19:07] <BluesKaj> yofel, what about flash sites like youtube etc, what's requirement there
[19:07] <yofel> well, either use html5 or adobe-flashplugin, which in oneirc/partner is the flash11 64bit plugin
[19:08] <yofel> *oneiric/partner
[19:08] <keithzg> It's actually hard to exaggerate how glad I am that sites like youtube offer html5 these days.
[19:10] <BluesKaj> I prefer not to use that "wrapper" for flash tho . so i'm sticking with multiarch
[19:11] <keithzg> huh? it's just the 64-bit version of the plugin
[19:11] <BluesKaj> there isn't enough HTML5 to make me drop flash
[19:11] <yofel> BluesKaj: uhm, adobe-flashpugin is the 64bit native plugin
[19:12] <keithzg> It's actually the one area that Adobe hasn't (usually) ignore Linux, we were in fact the first OS to get a native 64-bit plugin, ages ago.
[19:12] <BluesKaj> yofel, then why does it try to install the the wrapper , when i choose the 64 bit native plugin
[19:12] <keithzg> They didn't support it very well for a while, but that's another story.
[19:13] <yofel> uhm, no idea?
[19:13] <yofel> adobe-flashplugin:
[19:13] <yofel>   Installed: 11.0.1.152-0oneiric1
[19:13] <yofel> nspluginwrapper:
[19:13] <yofel>   Installed: (none)
[19:13] <FloodBotK2> yofel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:13] <FloodBotK1> yofel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:14] <keithzg> haha the floodbots are flooding
[19:23] <BluesKaj> yofel ,where does one disable multiarch ...removing it is impossible
[19:24] <yofel> comment out the line in cat /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[19:24] <yofel> er, s/cat//
[19:27] <BluesKaj> ok yofel , thanks ..I looked that file earlier but didn't realize it's role in the package
[19:40] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: ping
[19:40] <keithzg> Hmm, getting the classic "E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. "
[19:41] <cyberpala> hallo
[19:44] <esmirlin> Hi guys, how can i know the <width> <height> of my netbook??? (just to install a splash theme)
[19:50] <phunyguy_netbook> esmirlin: go to system settings->Display and Monitor
[19:50] <phunyguy_netbook> should give you resolution of your display
[19:50] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I
[19:57] <coolian> Kmail is just broken. Akonadi should be thrown out the window and burned.
[19:57] <coolian> Who let Kmail get so broken?
[19:59] <CoJaBo> How do I turn off the Oneiric spam prompt that appears every 5 minutes?
[20:02] <ronnoc> coolian: My understanding is that KMail worked fine and just the import from previous versions was borked. Is this incorrect?
[20:03] <coolian> Yes, that would seem to be correct
[20:03] <coolian> I have been using it since its inception.
[20:03] <coolian> This is the first time I've had a problem...and there are many
[20:03] <coolian> I cannot imagine this could have passed testing
[20:03] <ronnoc> coolian: :/ it's a known issue I know. It should have never been released as is. The devs know this and have acknowledged the mistake.
[20:04] <coolian> Akonadi has duped all of my mails. Does NOT pay attention to the "Offline" setting, errors out 100 times in a row...
[20:04] <coolian> There are so many issues that it's ridiculous
[20:04] <ronnoc> coolian: according to the KDE folks, KDE PIM is way under-staffed. I guess we should blame GMail?
[20:04] <coolian> This is number one app...
[20:04] <coolian> I just wish someone had been honest about testing.
[20:05] <ronnoc> coolian: That's just whaI've been told...they need more manpower upstream
[20:05] <coolian> It's embarrassing that this was released like this. Whoever gave it the stamp of approval needs to be removed from the project
[20:05] <coolian> I used to code for the team
[20:07] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: pong
[20:07] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Soon be back
[20:09] <ronnoc> coolian: the Kubuntu Devs have acknowledged the botch. Not much consolation, I know
[20:09] <coolian> Nope. I have emails since 94...
[20:09] <coolian> and they are now a mess.
[20:09] <coolian> I did a backup, but akonadi keeps downloading emails and deleting them off of the server
[20:10] <ronnoc> coolian: I've heard horror stories of the import process taking days
[20:11] <ronnoc> I know it's a (THE?) major focus at UDS for the upcomming LTS
[20:15] <lee_> eh does any one else have a non functioning K mix?
[20:16] <keithzg_> have you made sure it's running? Last upgrade mysteriously stopped kmix from loading on session start for me.
[20:17] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I tried following the instructions in the website for b43-fwcutter, but it doesn't work
[20:18] <lee_> well, I don't think it ever ran it wasn't even listed beneath on the volume controll...but the funky matter is...gnome...Alsa seems to control everything lol....eh.. confused I am
[20:18] <yofel> works fine here, what's the version of the kmix package?
[20:18] <lee_> eh come to think of it..I never was able t launch it at all
[20:19] <lee_> hmm how do I find the Kmix page data?
[20:19] <yofel> page data?
[20:19] <lee_> Oh wait..I get half the settings
[20:20] <lee_> KMix
[20:20] <lee_> Version 3.9
[20:20] <lee_> Using KDE Development Platform 4.7.1 (4.7.1)
[20:21] <lee_> Never mind, I guess we can no longer execute it seperatley.
[20:22] <lee_> we have to click on the mixer on the where the speaker is at
[20:22] <lee_> I really hate this new way they have it set up
[20:22] <yofel> yeah
[20:22] <lee_> I liked it better when we had the graphical inter face...check the item and that was that...but this method...confusing as hee
[20:23] <lee_> hell
[20:23] <lee_> plus it is leaving out my external mic settings
[20:24] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Bleah ok
[20:25] <lee_> dang...
[20:25] <tspg> Does some one got problems with the 11.10 release and phpmyadmin???
[20:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  phpmyadmin on your system, or using phpmyadmin in firefox or something?
[20:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  iirc, when you upgrade, you might need to reconfigure phpmyadmin
[20:26] <tspg> in the sistem
[20:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> did you try reconfiguring phpmyadmin?
[20:27] <tspg> u mean by the web interface or  editing the files?
[20:28]  * TheEvilPhoenix hasnt configured phpmyadmin on his local systems after an upgrade to 11.10
[20:28]  * TheEvilPhoenix has known, though, that complete reconfigurations are sometimes necessary
[20:28] <jamil_1> is there something equivalent of gwibber in kubuntu ?
[20:29] <TheEvilPhoenix> !pm > tspg
[20:30] <Torch> jamil_1: what is gwibber?
[20:30] <tspg> and because phpmyadmyn i cant do  apt-get install upgrade  :(
[20:30] <jamil_1> Torch: you can see social networks feed there
[20:31] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: i've got a problem. I installed the b43-fwcutter thign, and now ifconfig -a doesn't even show my card
[20:31] <jamil_1> Torch: it comes in ubuntu by default
[20:31] <yofel> jamil_1: choqok would be one
[20:32] <jamil_1> yofel: tried choqok but it didn't fit really well with kde
[20:32] <tspg> Does any one know about this isue?
[20:33] <yofel> hm, not sure then - there's a microblogging widget for plasma too
[20:34] <jamil_1> yofel: I cant make it work though
[20:34] <jamil_1> *to
[20:34] <jamil_1> seems like a useless plasmoid
[20:34] <yofel> haven't used it in a long time, I'm fine with choqok
[20:35] <tspg> Does some one got problems with the 11.10 release and phpmyadmin? it cant even let me upgrade
[20:38] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: does lspci show it?
[20:40] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix: so what do i have to do to configure it? :/
[20:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  did you install it with the phpmyadmin package?
[20:41] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix:  yep
[20:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  try dpkg --reconfigure phpmyadmin
[20:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> er
[20:41] <TheEvilPhoenix> sudo dpkg --reconfigure phpmyadmin
[20:42] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix:  ok let me try
[20:42] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  note though i can't make absolutely certain than that command will work.
[20:42] <Torch> TheEvilPhoenix: you probably meant to write "dpkg-reconfigure"
[20:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> Torch:  right...
[20:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin
[20:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> Torch:  i have that  bad habit sometimes >.>
[20:44] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix:  i did it  and now it says its not installed phpmyadmi wtf i just went  in side it with ma browseer hahah a
[20:44] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  try installing it then...
[20:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin (if it says its not installed0
[20:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> you might've just installed the files from their site
[20:45] <kadoban> how do i enable 3 button emulation in kubuntu/kde/whatever?
[20:45] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix: should i install it directlly from sourceforge?
[20:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  not really
[20:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  install phpmyadmin via the package if it doesnt say its installed
[20:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> if it is installed, try a reinstallation
[20:48] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: yes, it does
[20:48] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix: the thing is i cant use apt-get instal or wot ever
[20:49] <shlomy> Hi... a quick question: In Kubuntu, with the Task Manager (the name of the task bar widget), I noticed I can drag certain files from a file manager to an entry of some application, and then the application pops up so I can drop on it. But there are also files that I cannot drag to the task bar entry (i.e. nothing happens when I do). Can anyone help?
[20:49] <shlomy> I tried, for example,two .c files - one of them could be dragged, the other could not
[20:49] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix: i dont understand why....   it says ,now when i tryed to intall it, that "it needs to be reinstaled, because it cant be founf a file for it"
[20:50] <shlomy> Moving both files to the same directory does not make any difference, so I figured it should be some property of the file that specified whether it can be dragged to the task bar or not
[20:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> tspg:  sudo apt-get reinstall phpmyadmin
[20:54] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix:  i tryed every thing..  even google haha but nothing... :/
[20:56] <Wizard> whoa
[20:56] <Wizard> hi ;)
[21:02] <tspg> TheEvilPhoenix:  ok thx for the help men   i g2g to fix this xD
[21:04] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: what driver is loaded?
[21:12] <sorush20> I have a kontact problem here is the console output http://pastebin.com/H5buiABk
[21:13] <sorush20> I get the crash which happens and kontact closes.
[21:30] <shane2peru> ok, serious problem,  I try to print off my HP Laserjet 1022n, and it prints fine, however most of the text is really no readable at all.  I printed from LO
[21:31] <shane2peru> I removed the printer and re-installed the printer, but no go, same results
[21:31] <Snowhog> shane2peru: default .odt file??
[21:32] <shane2peru> Snowhog: yes, just a regular .odt file, with Spanish text, which should have no bearing on the whole thing
[21:32] <Snowhog> shane2peru: And I assume, that with the document open, the Spanish text displays normally?
[21:32] <shane2peru> I think it has to do with the fact that last install I had printer problems, and did some stuff, and got if fixed, but don't rememeber what I did, but upgrade didn't do it well
[21:32] <shane2peru> Snowhog: yep, displays on the screen fine
[21:33] <shane2peru> Perhaps I installed hp-setup or hp-tools or something before the upgrade
[21:33] <shane2peru> I vaguely remember something like that, and got everything working
[21:33] <shane2peru> this type of thing always happens when I'm under the gun to get something printed and have to walk out the door.
[21:34] <Snowhog> shane2peru: What is the result if you tell LO to print the document to a .pdf file, and then you open/print the .pdf document?
[21:34] <RickKnight> Can someone point me to a kernel build howto for kubuntu/ubuntu 11.10> I need to add support for snd-pcm-oss module.
[21:34] <shane2peru> Snowhog: let me try that too
[21:36] <shane2peru> Okular prints out goobbled characters too, most are replaced with '''  in the word, and it didn't print the document as landscape. :(
[21:36] <Snowhog> shane2peru: Sounds like a Locale issue then.
[21:37] <shane2peru> and it isn't just where the áíéóú are it is normal words just show up like this:  No 's p'r' d'cir todo lo q'' ped's
[21:37] <shane2peru> pretty tough to read.
[21:38] <shane2peru> matter of fact looking at it, I see an á that printed out correctly, as well as an í and ó
[21:38] <shane2peru> so, doesn't seem to be that, any way to completely clear all my printers and re-set them up?
[21:39] <shane2peru> before I'm pretty sure I used hp-setup and installed the hp ppd file or something, any way to clear any of that?
[21:42] <shane2peru> oddly enough I have crashed System Settings twice now messing with my printer setup.
[21:45] <shane2peru> This is why I do clean installs, at least I'm not paranoid afterwards of everything that doesn't work
[21:45] <shane2peru> dolphin has crashed on me twice today.
[21:45] <shane2peru> make that three times.
[21:48] <shane2peru> 4 times, I have system issues.  Arrrgh.
[21:49] <shane2peru> guess I will do a clean wipe tonight, and re-install a clean system.  Upgrading is overrated.
[21:50] <Snowhog> shane2peru: I have only upgraded a few times since moving to Kubuntu in 2007. I now, almost exclussively do fresh installations. I run three on my HP laptop - Kubuntu 11.04, Kubuntu 11.10, and Ubuntu 11.10.
[21:52] <shane2peru> ok, beat the system, when to my wife's netbook, running 10.? with Oo.o 3.2 and opened my document and printed from her computer to my printer, and all is good
[21:52] <shane2peru> her's always works, and she never let's me touch it, perhaps that is why it works
[21:53] <shane2peru> Snowhog: I have done fresh installs for years, and don't know why I bother even upgrading
[21:53] <shane2peru> ok, I'm going to start this install process before I walk out the door, gotta run
[21:54] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: how do I find that out? Sorry for my delay, I had to leave
[22:00] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: lsmod and see if b43 or wl is loaded
[22:00] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I just thought of that, but I don't see any lsmod or wl
[22:07] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I mean b43 or wl
[22:38] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: ok I thnk I'm really back now
[22:38] <Daskreech>  what does modprobe b43 && lsmod | grep  b43 say ?
[23:04] <licensed> can i change panel icon size? it's too big
[23:12] <Torch> licensed: resize the panel
[23:12] <Torch> licensed: the contents adjust
[23:18] <licensed> Torch, yeah, but when i resize, task manager turns too small hehehe.. but thanks
[23:41] <Guest67342> Daskreech: you still around?
[23:42] <AndroidLoverInSF> how to open a folder with baoba in ubuntu 11.10?  seems it wont let me locate and pick a custom app anymore? what??!! did they cripple that?
[23:42] <AndroidLoverInSF> nautilus
[23:43] <Linkmaster> AndroidLoverInSF: right click on the file, then click on file properties, it'll change how the system interacts with certain file types
[23:46] <AndroidLoverInSF> its a folder, but even now for either folder or file. it doesn't let you pick an app from whats installed. it has a list you Have to choose from, you cant just locate where baobab is and pick it. baobab isnt on the list even though its installed
[23:48] <Linkmaster> AndroidLoverInSF: you have to pick 'custom' and it'll allow you to navigate through your file of custom installed applications
[23:50] <AndroidLoverInSF> Linkmaster: there's no "custom" option anymore!, i only see Show other Applications, and baobab's not there, or "Find Apps Online" also not there.
[23:53] <AndroidLoverInSF> are you on 11.10? do you see Custom option?
[23:53] <gomiboy> AndroidLoverInSF: nautilus? is that gnome thing? You could have better luck in #ubuntu then... or just install kde, it's sooo much better :D
[23:55] <Linkmaster> wait, this isn't KDE??
[23:55] <Linkmaster> AndroidLoverInSF: I thought you were using dolphin, not whatever the heck the other DE's use
[23:55] <AndroidLoverInSF> i do have kde also, its not bad, gnome remote desktop sharing is a bit less problematic, pros and cons to both, i go back and forth. sorry wrong channel. dolphin not bad either
[23:56] <Linkmaster> Its all good, I just thought you were talking about Dolphin, not Nautilus =P
[23:57] <AndroidLoverInSF> cool
[23:57]  * Linkmaster tests in his gnome DE
[23:57] <Linkmaster> AndroidLoverInSF: right click the file, hit 'open with' hit 'add' click the thing that says 'use a custom command' click browse, and it'll allow you to use whatever you are looking for
[23:58] <Linkmaster> *hit 'open with' AFTER you hit properties
[23:59] <RickKnight> I need to get oss support for a few of my games. The 11.10 kernel does not support oss. How do I recompile the 11.10 3.0 kernel. Can someone point me to a howto?