[00:03] <penguin42> ah
[02:39] <hux_> Does anyone know the Mint server name. I want to add it to freenode as I use Ubuntu and Mint
[02:59] <hux_> Hi
[03:00] <hux_> I want to say I luv Ocelot alot
[03:11] <hux_> How do I top up a mobile dongle? (Vodafone)
[05:46] <GirlyGirl> Morning
[06:43] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:22] <popey> Morning
[08:22] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:14] <AlanBell> I am struggling to get XDMCP working with lightDM
[11:15] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:15] <AlanBell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/66431/how-do-i-configure-lightdm-to-work-with-xdmcp
[11:15] <AlanBell> I have enabled it in the config file, and restarted, but port 177 does not seem to be listening
[11:24] <AlanBell> https://answers.launchpad.net/lightdm/+question/174473
[11:24] <AlanBell> looks like it might not work
[11:34] <popey> AlanBell: http://ossg.bcs.org/
[11:39] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, I am going to that
[11:39] <AlanBell> we know Eckhard Schwarzat
[12:47] <geekMePlease> Which program does controll the Mobile Broadband?
[12:48] <geekMePlease> * I update my 11.10, and Internet -connection stopped work
[12:48] <geekMePlease> * my Huawei E367 connects to the operator's network, but do not get internet
[12:48] <geekMePlease> * I cannot ping
[12:49] <geekMePlease> * it seems that some software is blocking the access to the internet from Mobile Broadband
[12:49] <geekMePlease> * probably some blacklist
[12:50] <AlanBell> hi geekMePlease
[12:50] <AlanBell> network manager controls mobile broadband and sometimes it just works
[12:51] <geekMePlease> My dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/716874/
[12:52] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: I want to know why it stopped working
[12:52] <AlanBell> geekMePlease: you haven't run out of credit or something like that?
[12:52] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: no
[12:52] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: Just went to the operator's shop and checked it there
[12:53] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: The stick and the sim-card works with their Windows OS
[12:54] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: It reads the memory as CD-ROM that is right
[12:54] <AlanBell> didn't we deal with this the other day?
[12:54] <geekMePlease> line 1341
[12:54] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: Yes, with a similar problem.
[12:54] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: This is a new problem.
[12:54] <popey> do you get an IP address from your isp?
[12:55] <AlanBell> geekMePlease: has the update reverted your previous fix?
[12:55] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: No.
[12:56] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: I reinstalled my ubuntu, which solved the problem
[12:56] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: However, I have now a different kind of problem, because I can access the network of the operator, but do not get download nor upload to the network
[12:57] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: ping does not work in the network
[12:57] <AlanBell> how about ifconfig
[12:57] <AlanBell> do you get an IP address?
[12:58] <brobostigon> geekMePlease: does ifconfig show an ip on it, as popey siggested?
[12:58] <brobostigon> suggested*
[12:59] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: my ifconfig http://paste.ubuntu.com/716880/
[13:01] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: AlanBell: I do not know which connection the mobile broadband should of the given ones
[13:01] <brobostigon> geekMePlease: what does dmesg say? ie, when you connect or disconnect, it should tell you.
[13:01] <AlanBell> geekMePlease: ok, so ppp0 is getting an IP address
[13:02] <AlanBell> that is your mobile broadband
[13:02] <brobostigon> ping -I ppp0 ****
[13:03] <AlanBell> ping -I ppp0 ubuntu.com  << as brobostigon suggested
[13:04] <AlanBell> output of "route -n" might be interesting too
[13:04] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: packet loss 100%, when pinging google
[13:04] <geekMePlease> 100% packet loss to ubuntu.com too
[13:08] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: ip route | awk '/default/{print $3}' gives
[13:08] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: 192.168.5.5, and eth0
[13:09] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: route -n: http://paste.ubuntu.com/716886/
[13:09] <AlanBell> yeah, I would expect your default route to be the ethernet when plugged in
[13:10] <geekMePlease> seems to
[13:12] <brobostigon> i would disconnect all, but the dongle, and see.
[13:12] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: some other address: http://paste.ubuntu.com/716891/
[13:13] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: do not know what is the ip address, seems to be local
[13:13] <popey> you dont have to know the ip
[13:13] <popey> the default gateway will be set by the isp when you connect
[13:14] <popey> don't overthink it, just unplug everything, disconnect wifi and plug in dongle, when you connect you should be given an IP, dns servers and gateway
[13:18] <geekMePlease> popey: ok, will do it again. see you.
[13:22] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps
[13:24]  * penguin42 yawns at bigcalm
[13:25] <bigcalm> Pendulum: I've only just got up myself
[13:33] <bigcalm> popey: ping
[13:38] <popey> bigcalm: pong
[13:38] <bigcalm> Could I trouble you for a couple of screen shots please?
[13:40] <popey> sure
[13:40]  * bigcalm wonders if he is about to get some random images due to not specifying
[13:41] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[13:44] <popey> yhm
[13:45] <bigcalm> You humour me?
[13:48] <bigcalm> You have mail
[13:48] <bigcalm> Doh
[13:48] <bigcalm> Thank you
[13:48] <bigcalm> I don't see the issue here, humm
[13:49] <geekMePlease> popey: AlanBell: brobostigon: same problem still after the rebooting with Mobile Broadband
[13:50] <geekMePlease> * my dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/716933/
[13:51] <geekMePlease> * the problem is slightly different now
[13:51] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: I cannot even connect to the operator's network now
[13:51] <bigcalm> Is it possible to disable window drop shadows in xfce?
[13:52] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: brobostigon: popey: see my ifconfig, no pp0 there, http://paste.ubuntu.com/716934/
[13:53] <geekMePlease> * it detects the device's memory as CD-ROM, correct
[13:54] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: It is jumping between different ttyUSBs from 1 to 4, line 909
[13:56] <brobostigon> !info usb-modeswitch
[13:56] <lubotu3`> usb-modeswitch (source: usb-modeswitch): mode switching tool for controlling "flip flop" USB devices. In component main, is extra. Version 1.1.7-1 (natty), package size 46 kB, installed size 192 kB
[14:00] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: My ports should be usb-2.0. However, I can see that device number 4 is using ehci_hcd
[14:02] <brobostigon> geekMePlease: i cant help much, i dont know alot about these dongles, i dont even own one. that program just came into my head, when you mentioned it was showing up only as usbFS, and not a modem.
[14:05] <geekMePlease> brobostigon: AlanBell: popey: my x60's usb-ports work differently: with anterior dexter port the device connect to the operator's network, but cannot ping
[14:06] <geekMePlease> * with posterior dexter port the device cannot connect to the operator's network
[14:12] <geekMePlease> * it seems that one of my x60's usb-ports is usb-1.0
[14:13] <geekMePlease> * see you!
[14:31] <queBurro> join #ubuntu
[14:36] <daubers> Afternoon
[14:37] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: popey: no success with 4 reboots, same problem still: the device can connect to the operator's network, but cannot ping so get no internet
[14:41] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: popey: The problem does not seem to be because of the given dongle. The same problem is with at least with E163 and E367.
[15:31]  * daubers hugs hugin
[16:40] <DJones> Hmh, Cheese is displaying video from the builtin webcam backwards
[16:41] <penguin42> you mean it plays what you were about to do before what you just did?
[16:42] <DJones> I wish, I'd point it at the lottery result if it did
[16:42] <AlanBell> the timelord effect is quite good isn't it penguin42
[16:43] <DJones> penguin42: The image is reversed, if I hold my right hand up, the image it displays has my left hand up
[16:44] <penguin42> AlanBell: I knew you'd say that....
[16:53] <DJones> And bluetooth doesn't find any devices although appears to be switched on
[17:03] <smittix> hai all
[17:11] <Andres-kain> hello.
[17:21] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I7jCSWdRLQ
[17:21] <popey> ☹
[17:25] <AlanBell> no Ubuntu pi build for us :(
[17:26] <SuprEngr> pi in the sky?
[17:26] <popey> yeah, annoying
[17:50] <penguin42> is anyone else having problems with horizontal scrolling in libreoffice?  I don't seem to be able to in either the spreadsheet or presentation thing
[17:51] <penguin42> hmm it works in Gnome
[18:11] <DJones> penguin42: i've justed opened libreoffice calc, what do you want testing
[18:11] <penguin42> DJones: Ah too office, I found the bug - it's bug 856210 - horizontal scroll doesn't work in KDE
[18:11] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 856210 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "Horizontal Scrollbar in kde dont work (default theme)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856210
[18:11] <penguin42> ^office^late
[18:12] <penguin42> DJones: But thanks for the offer
[18:12] <DJones> no probs, if its kde anyway, i wouldn't have had the problem
[18:14] <oli> The Raspberry Pi claims it's for educating kids but children are really going to have to fight for it if they want to beat general Linux enthusiasts and hackers to it. All that for $35. I know I'm buying several when they're released.
[18:19] <mgdm> oli: it'll end up educating big kids instead ;)
[18:27] <Myrtti> I had to lol at the mailing list
[18:28] <Myrtti> the rugby thread is funny
[18:45] <AlanBell> bit odd to be raising an issue about wanting to watch it, after the last game
[18:46] <AlanBell> oli: it won't run Ubuntu
[18:46] <AlanBell> would be a good toy though
[19:35] <czajkowski> and after the the flipping rwc is over and all
[19:35] <czajkowski> not 8 weeks ago
[19:35] <czajkowski> nooooo
[19:35] <ali1234> raspberry pi doesn't seem all that educational to me, i mean it comes with a whole linux ready to go, what's educational about that?
[19:35] <ali1234> writing ruby code is not educational, it's almost the exact opposite
[19:36] <AlanBell> well you don't have to have a fully baked linux
[19:37] <AlanBell> you can do a linux from scratch on a different SD card
[19:37] <ali1234> again, that's not educational
[19:37] <ali1234> compiling stuff isn't a particularly useful skill for primary education
[19:39] <ali1234> i think minecraft is most "educational" computer program i've seen in a while
[19:40] <ali1234> you are learning simple arithmetic (how many wood blocks do i need to build that fence), navigational skills (not getting lost), and of course anything with redstone
[19:40] <ali1234> and the best part is you don't even realise it
[19:41] <AlanBell> yes, I know what you mean
[19:41] <ali1234> that's not to say raspberry pi is bad, it's not, it's great
[19:41] <AlanBell> they want to focus on just doing the hardware and are hoping that others will do the software and educational documentation around that
[19:41] <shauno> I think it's more to do with getting them actually interested, rather than seeing the computer as an appliance by which youtube & facebook are delivered
[19:41] <AlanBell> so they are keen on people putting scratch on it etc
[19:42] <ali1234> yes, which is why it is ironic that raspberry pi is based on hardware which is designed to deliver facebook and youtube and not a whole lot more
[19:42] <AlanBell> what they *really* want is the BBC to back it like a new BBC micro
[19:43] <ali1234> scratch is something else i don't like
[19:44] <AlanBell> I don't either, but some teachers do
[19:44] <mgdm> scratch?
[19:45] <AlanBell> visual programming tool
[19:45] <AlanBell> logo on steroids
[19:46] <ali1234> scratch does not encourage novel designs
[19:46] <ali1234> and the drag and drop coding...
[19:47] <ali1234> well it's bad enough kids can't handwriting... soon they won't even be able to type
[19:47] <AlanBell> eben did want to ship it so that it just booted to a python prompt
[19:47] <ali1234> now that's something i would be down with :)
[19:47] <AlanBell> >>> and a blinking cursor
[19:48] <ali1234> see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW8qjTd5hpQ
[19:48] <ali1234> something i've been worried about for some time
[19:49] <ali1234> the reverse is also true:
[19:49] <ali1234> when your thought is limited by a drag and drop GUI, and your communications are filtered by autocomplete... well, this is bad
[19:50] <ali1234> i would have it boot to two windows: one a python prompt, the other one a LAN chat type thing
[19:51] <ali1234> possibly not python... entering python at the prompt is kind of hard due to the need for whitespace and the way it is designed in general
[19:51] <ali1234> you actually can do surprisingly little in 1 line of python
[19:51] <ali1234> so then you have to understand whitespace rules before you can do anything
[19:52] <AlanBell> you would like Eben I think
[19:53] <ali1234> any news on release date?
[19:54] <AlanBell> still November
[19:54] <ali1234> so... could be 1 week could be 5...
[19:54] <AlanBell> I imagine they would be annoyed if it slipped past christmas
[19:54] <ali1234> yeah i would be annoyed too :)
[19:57] <ali1234> something like that ubuntu classroom irc tool would be good
[19:57] <ali1234> lernid
[19:57] <ali1234> except with an integrated IDE
[19:58] <AlanBell> see the thing is that is totally possible to build and distribute on an SD card as an appliance
[19:58] <ali1234> yes
[19:58] <AlanBell> so you don't have one HDD at all
[19:59] <ali1234> well a SD effectively is a HDD
[19:59] <ali1234> you might want a server though
[19:59] <ali1234> i mean to save work
[19:59] <AlanBell> you might have an SD card with a linux from scratch project going on, another that boots to a working desktop for typing up reports and printing them, another that boots to scratch etc
[19:59] <ali1234> otherwise you need the kids to look after a usb drive or something
[19:59] <ali1234> and not lose it
[19:59] <ali1234> and while that might be educational in itself, you probably want a backup too
[19:59] <AlanBell> no, they look after several SD cards
[20:00] <ali1234> i'd have the lab setup so that the machine netboot
[20:00] <AlanBell> yes, the SD is acting as HDD, but the concept that goes is having "one" of them
[20:00] <ali1234> and you get a menu
[20:00] <ali1234> it can netboot right?
[20:00] <AlanBell> dunno
[20:01] <ali1234> otherwise some kind is going to put goatse as his wallpaper and etc
[20:01] <ali1234> you have to remember that you have the whole range
[20:01] <ali1234> some of the kids won't have seen a computer before
[20:01] <ali1234> another kid probably already built linux in his bedroom
[20:02] <AlanBell> no pxe built in
[20:02] <AlanBell> however, you could set up  an SD card that just does a PXE boot
[20:02] <ali1234> that kid is going to be the one who shows up to class with a SD card modified with some nasty denial of service tool
[20:04] <ali1234> so yeah, i'd want at least some kind of centralized control
[20:04] <AlanBell> not a good platform for that
[20:04] <ali1234> sure it is
[20:05] <ali1234> i don't want it to be impossible to hack
[20:07] <ali1234> just a way to see "kid #43 is up to something"
[20:09] <ali1234> for example, you could boot from your own SD card, but then you wouldn't be logged onto the network -> teacher can see who is logged in and who isn't
[20:09] <ali1234> but if you were smart enough you could make your own SD card that logs into the network
[20:16] <AlanBell> if that happened I think the raspberry pi team would be delighted :)
[20:19] <ali1234> seems like mer is going to be a good fit on it
[20:19] <AlanBell> probably
[20:20] <AlanBell> I can imagine having a little box of SD cards
[20:20] <AlanBell> in fact I *have* a little box of SD cards
[20:21] <AlanBell> maybe debian/HURD
[20:21] <ali1234> lolno
[20:22] <AlanBell> I have 6 assorted SD cards
[20:25] <AlanBell> the thing to do is forget the idea of having one good configuration
[20:30] <ali1234> well the thing is, you can put a whole load of "good" configurations on a server
[20:31] <ali1234> then you don't have to trust a 10 year old not to lose a small piece of plastic the size of a postage stamp
[20:40] <ali1234> mer can also easily build many different configurations with mic
[20:44] <AlanBell> it is also cheap enough to use embedded in robots
[20:44] <AlanBell> although the battery power option just got a bit tricky as it needs a regulated 5v supply now
[20:45] <ali1234> that is not particularly hard to do if you are building a robot
[20:45] <ali1234> that's 4 AA or AAA and a 7805
[20:45] <AlanBell> yeah
[20:47] <ali1234> 7805 won't work but still
[20:47] <AlanBell> why not?
[20:48] <AlanBell> it does 5v
[20:48] <ali1234> it needs minimum of 7.5V
[20:48] <ali1234> to produce 5V regulated
[20:48] <AlanBell> ok, so 4AA is going to dip fairly quick, but 6AA should work
[20:49] <ali1234> yes
[20:49] <ali1234> or you can use a low drop out regulator instead
[20:49] <ali1234> either way it isn't a huge challenge
[20:50] <AlanBell> not huge, but a touch more involved than it was with the onboard regulator
[20:50] <ali1234> batteyr operation isn't all that useful, i think
[20:50] <ali1234> sure for robots
[20:50] <AlanBell> actually you can probably get a 6AA -> regulated 5V microUSB off the shelf
[20:51] <ali1234> yeah you can get those USB battery packs
[20:51] <ali1234> azelphur knows all about those :)
[20:51] <Azelphur> I do? :o
[20:52] <ali1234> yes.
[20:52] <AlanBell> http://www.bodhilabs.com/
[20:52] <Azelphur> oh USB battery packs
[20:52] <Azelphur> I know a bit, I have a pretty big one strapped to myheadset
[20:54] <ali1234> yes, well, arduino is a lot simpler
[20:55] <ali1234> you wouldn't get much life out of just 2 AA
[20:56] <AlanBell> yup
[20:57] <ali1234> i would like a nice medium size oled touchscreen to use with it
[21:17] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well everyone.