[01:31] <MarkDude> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tatadbb/6267812026   Penguin fingernails- too cool
[01:34] <akk> :)
[01:34] <akk> MarkDude! 8 cape gooseberries dropped, just today alone! I put some on my hamburger at dinner. :)
[01:35] <MarkDude> On burgers? That sounds good
[01:35]  * MarkDude just looked today, he has like 20+cherries and at least that many flowers
[01:36]  * MarkDude promised ladyfriend some gooseberry salsa- hope it happens by Thanksgiving
[01:39] <MarkDude> The tomatoes I got from iheartubuntu were yellow
[01:39]  * MarkDude had critters eat them. I managed to keep a few
[01:42] <akk> I had no luck with tomatoes this year.
[01:42] <akk> The few I got had bites in them by the time they were ripe.
[01:47]  * MarkDude pulled a couple of them early
[01:47] <MarkDude> let them ripen in the kitchen
[01:48] <MarkDude> Where I was guarding them with a baseball bat- just in case
[01:51] <akk> heh
[04:16] <bkerensa> Hooray
[04:16]  * bkerensa finally got Canonical people to show up
[04:16] <bkerensa> :D
[04:17] <pleia2> yay!
[04:18] <bkerensa> and one of them is in charge of apparently Ubuntu Foundation Product Engineering
[04:19] <bkerensa> not sure what that means but he asked why we were not an approved LoCo
[04:19] <bkerensa> :D
[04:19] <pleia2> haha, I don't know what that means either
[04:19] <pleia2> I didn't even think the ubuntu foundation was an active thing
[04:19] <bkerensa> and I told him because I was told not to apply yet by someone on council
[04:19] <bkerensa> :D
[04:19] <bkerensa> pleia2: I didnt either
[04:19] <bkerensa> lol
[04:19] <pleia2> yeah, it takes a while for locos to prove they are sustainable
[04:23] <bkerensa> ;)
[04:23] <bkerensa> Oregon has been around since 2005 :P
[04:23] <MarkDude> Ubuntu Foundation Product Engineering? There is a title for a business card that takes a bit to say AND explain
[04:24] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Yeah I thought the foundation was like the national guard of Ubuntu... It only activates if Canonical fails
[04:24] <bkerensa> :D
[04:25] <MarkDude> lol
[04:26] <bkerensa> Looks like I might be doing a Ubuntu talk at Yahoo soon
[04:26] <bkerensa> lol
[04:26] <bkerensa> We just announced it at the release party that Yahoo may host a brown bag lunch seminar
[04:26] <bkerensa> :D
[04:26] <MarkDude> Good deal
[04:27] <bkerensa> and also Debian UG here is looking for help finding sponsors and venues so the Canonical guys asked if I might wanna try and mash loco events together and help them
[04:27] <bkerensa> idk
[04:27] <bkerensa> :P
[04:27]  * MarkDude spoke at Yahoo classroom
[04:27] <MarkDude> well make it a packaging and bug event
[04:27] <bkerensa> it was going to be a bug event
[04:27] <bkerensa> :D
[04:28] <MarkDude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au7Vm88aVuU
[04:28] <MarkDude> LAst official Ubuntu talk I gave\
[04:28]  * MarkDude had already switched to Fedora
[04:28] <MarkDude> had already commited to talk
[04:28] <MarkDude> Damn good talk I think
[04:28] <MarkDude> part of it might work for yours
[04:29] <MarkDude> at least the community part
[04:29] <pleia2> bkerensa: I do ubuntu hour + debian dinner to support my local debianites (of which I am one)
[04:29] <MarkDude> Especially focus on how all of these FOSS projects SHARE much in common
[04:29] <pleia2> so we do coffee for an hour with ubuntu, and then dinner with debian folks across the street
[04:30] <bkerensa> :D
[04:30] <MarkDude> btw, I am still open to doing talks on Ubuntu bkerensa
[04:30] <bkerensa> Yeah well I will probably do such too pleia2
[04:30]  * bkerensa is going to try and break off some tasks to other members
[04:30] <bkerensa> so I can not have as heavy a work load
[04:30] <bkerensa> ;D
[04:30] <pleia2> good :)
[04:31] <bkerensa> pleia2: It has to happen or I will burnout again
[04:31] <bkerensa> =/
[04:32] <pleia2> bkerensa: it has to happen anyway, that's how communities grow :)
[04:32] <pleia2> one person holding all the keys and responsibilities is doomed to failure, bad bus factor
[04:32] <MarkDude> pleia2, is (as usual ) correct
[04:32] <MarkDude> :)
[04:33] <bkerensa> pleia2: Indeed
[04:33] <bkerensa> :D
[04:33] <bkerensa> Well I got two people who will be handling wiki
[04:33] <pleia2> great
[04:33] <bkerensa> and now I just need to find someone to handle meeting minutes and act in my absentia for meetings because obviously I cannot make every meeting
[04:33] <bkerensa> :P
[04:34] <bkerensa> and as things move on more roles will be created
[04:34]  * pleia2 nods
[04:35] <MarkDude> meetbot?
[04:36] <MarkDude> alanbell had a good goer I think he called it
[04:36] <MarkDude> From U- uk
[04:37] <pleia2> meetingology is the new one
[04:37] <bkerensa> yeah
[04:37] <bkerensa> we have to request it to join our channel right?
[04:37] <pleia2> but it's not automatic, you still need to copy/paste the minutes into a wiki, tell people about it
[04:37] <pleia2> yeah
[04:37] <bkerensa> :P
[04:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: The canonical employee just joined our channel the foundation guy
[04:38] <bkerensa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SteveLangasek
[04:38] <bkerensa> thats his wiki
[04:40] <pleia2> ah yes, vorlon :)
[04:40] <bkerensa> LOL
[04:40] <bkerensa> do you know of him?
[04:40] <bkerensa> :D
[04:40] <pleia2> he did debian alpha back in the day
[04:40] <pleia2> of course
[04:40] <pleia2> he's been around forever
[04:40] <bkerensa> Yeah... We went to have drinks at Ground Kontrol after the party and told him about the new Pac Man machine
[04:41] <pleia2> cool
[04:41] <bkerensa> and he stopped us and said "New" and "Pac-Man" should not exist together
[04:41] <bkerensa> :P
[04:41] <pleia2> he's at all the UDSes
[04:41] <bkerensa> Yep
[04:41] <bkerensa> apparently its required
[04:41] <bkerensa> lol
[04:41] <bkerensa> or heavily encouraged
[04:41] <bkerensa> Every Canonical person I know in Portland/WA is going and thats a lot of people
[04:42] <pleia2> it depends on your job, there are a lot of canonical departments that don't go (the ubuntu training folks never went when their department existed, it was a bummer)
[04:42] <pleia2> but he definitely would :)
[04:56] <bkerensa> pleia2: You guys using that flickr account yet?
[04:56] <bkerensa> :)
[04:57]  * bkerensa is uploading his first set to it.... Still gotta add photos from my personal acct
[04:59] <pleia2> bkerensa: we've had one since february and use it, it just wasn't pro
[05:01] <bkerensa> oh
[05:01] <bkerensa> :D
[05:01] <bkerensa> yeah... I kinda wish Google would try and acquire Flickr
[05:01] <bkerensa> :P
[05:01] <bkerensa> from Yahoo
[05:01] <pleia2> lol
[05:02] <bkerensa> Picasa is uhh idk
[05:02] <bkerensa> :)
[05:02] <pleia2> I wouldn't be so kind
[05:02] <pleia2> men picasa
[05:02] <bkerensa> its like Blogger... Just meh :)
[05:02] <pleia2> meh too
[05:02] <pleia2> bbl
[05:02] <bkerensa> I feel Google comes up with great ideas for products but then runs around like a person with ADHD and fails to nurture them into decent products
[05:02] <bkerensa> kk
[05:05] <MarkDude> bkerensa,  sp / feel / KNOW
[05:06] <MarkDude> They get more distracted by shiny objects than I do
[05:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude: or its the free snacks and scooters?
[05:08] <bkerensa> :D
[05:08] <bkerensa> and the being able to do your own project
[05:09] <bkerensa> I think that takes away from productivity
[05:09] <bkerensa> when they are constantly spending time trying to make their pet projects into the next big thing while letting their previous next big things die due to lack of development
[17:35] <MarkDude> aaditya, pingy
[17:35] <pleia2> jdeslip: we'll be coming up to berkeleylug today :)
[17:41] <pleia2> (we'll probably be late, mornings are difficult)
[17:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: It has begun "My friend recently got an HP s5-1110 with Win 7 installed. UEFI has prevented the installation of GRUB on this machine. I could find no way in the BIOS to disable the feature and so far, as I work my way up the HP tech support ladder, I have found no HP techs who have a clue what I'm talking about."
[17:59]  * bkerensa will be blogging about it soon
[18:05] <pleia2> bkerensa: I saw in -community-team :)
[18:05] <pleia2> I haven't really been following the UEFI stuff
[18:12] <philipballew> bkerensa, the bios makers might not be hp?
[18:13] <philipballew> like phoenix bios for instance
[18:26] <akk> They're actually *selling* machines like that already? :(
[19:31] <nhaines> philipballew: yeah, but HP tells Phoenix what they want.
[19:33] <philipballew> ah, that is a valid point nhaines.
[19:53] <akk> And if phoenix said "we only provide bioses that are locked down now, no other options" (seems extremely unlikely) HP doesn't have to use phoenix.
[19:54] <akk> If HP is really shipping machines like that now, please do blog it and get everyone to mirror/retweet/slashdot etc.
[19:54] <akk> Need to get the word out what machines NOT to buy (and make sure HP sees that happening).
[19:55] <Faqtotum> they'll see what they wanna see
[20:15] <jtatum> uefi doesn't prevent installation of grub
[20:15] <jtatum> or grub2
[20:15] <jtatum> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[20:19] <jtatum> there was a spec for this back in maverick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/MaverickUefiSupport
[21:10] <nhaines> jtatum: uefi has a secure boot feature that prevents changing the bootloader on PCs with it enabled, unless the code is signed.
[21:10] <nhaines> jtatum: All Windows 8 certified machines are required to support this feature and enable it by default.
[21:10] <Faqtotum> haha
[21:11] <Faqtotum> sneaky intel
[21:11] <nhaines> Faqtotum: Palladium by hook or crook, I guess.
[21:14] <Faqtotum> it's inkjet printers all over again
[21:14] <Faqtotum> and people STILL buy those
[22:14] <philipballew> i decided to learn vi this week. I wonder how far I will get
[22:16] <Faqtotum> it doesn't take a week
[22:17] <pleia2> it takes 5 minutes and a lifetime ;)
[22:18] <Faqtotum> yes.
[22:21] <philipballew> i can type things and write, but i'm thinking I need to learn to do it faster
[22:22] <grantbow> :help and look for the "30 minute" tutor session
[22:23] <philipballew> I watched some you tube videos. that’s about it so far.
[22:23]  * philipballew enters :help
[22:26] <grantbow> some students here raved about how useful it was.
[22:26] <grantbow> however it took me more than 30 minutes and them a lot longer fyi
[22:28] <philipballew> It seems like it will help. I mean vi is a lot faster then nano for me
[22:29] <grantbow> Glad to hear it looks helpful for you :-)
[22:29] <pleia2> vimtutor
[22:29] <pleia2> is good
[22:30] <grantbow> since @olpcsf doesn't have an IRC channel... @pleia2 are you going to the party in Bolinas tonight?
[22:31] <pleia2> grantbow: no, and I wasn't at the summit
[22:31] <pleia2> this is my only weekend home this month, spending it running errands and catching up on projects (going to pick up some furniture in a few minutes!)
[22:31] <grantbow> \o/ furniture
[22:32] <philipballew> NEW STUFF!
[22:32] <pleia2> yes :) office stuff!
[22:39] <philipballew> pleia2, well if it is gonna make you more productive with work then it should be worth it.
[23:16] <nhaines> vi has two modes: beep repeatedly and break everything.
[23:18] <Faqtotum> oooh, you have the version that beeps?? fancy...