[01:35] <wrst> binarymutant: how's the bot doing? :)
[01:35] <binarymutant> :shrug: I don't pay attention to it that mich :D
[01:35] <wrst> :P
[01:35] <wrst> ok how are you doing?
[01:36] <binarymutant> good, rewatching Lost. How about you?
[01:36] <wrst> oh doing pretty good, actually using my desktop for once
[01:37] <binarymutant> what's on the pc?
[01:37] <wrst> arch linux
[01:37] <wrst> gnome shell
[01:37] <binarymutant> cool
[01:37] <wrst> when we moved i did a fresh install, no windows at all or anything else
[01:37] <Unit193> Archy-Gnome
[01:37] <wrst> yep Unit193 :)
[01:38] <binarymutant> so do you use archy-gnome for everything? Or different things for different devices?
[01:38] <wrst> binarymutant: i'm really liking archy-gnome :) i use it on most things that I use
[01:38] <wrst> now for others its ubuntu
[01:38] <binarymutant> ah :D
[01:38] <wrst> and I have an ubuntu partition on my laptop also
[01:39] <wrst> and an arch kde partition, so i have the big 2.5 desktops :)
[01:41]  * wrst doesn't hate unity any more
[01:41] <binarymutant> oh ya?
[01:41] <binarymutant> why not?
[01:41] <wrst> well its better still gets in the way but atleast it doesn't crash :)
[01:41] <binarymutant> true
[01:42] <binarymutant> If they moved the menubar to the bottom, it would be great
[01:42] <wrst> binarymutant: how about they let you move things around to where you want them? :)
[01:43] <wrst> i like the dock concept but os X i think has the best placement
[01:43] <binarymutant> default should be on bottom.
[01:43] <binarymutant> or top. but for sure not on the sides
[01:43] <wrst> but i think how gnome shell does the dock to the left is better than unity you have to hit the hot corner to activate it not just anywhere on the left
[01:44] <binarymutant> would you place the bar on the left if you had the choice?
[01:45] <wrst> hmm no, but... how gnome shell does it i don't mind it if that makes sense
[01:45] <binarymutant> I get that
[01:46] <wrst> i am playing with some video my laptop does hd but only 720 so haven't got to see fully how my camera works :)
[01:47] <binarymutant> 720 is great quality
[01:48] <wrst> yes it is that's what our tv is, yet i have a comptuer monitor that does 1080 :)
[01:49] <binarymutant> prolly more than that
[01:49] <wrst> yeah it does
[01:50] <wrst> my laptop does better than i thought it would however had it hooked to our tv last night as dual monitors and it powered both ok
[01:51] <binarymutant> that's cool, I like that tvs are now just computers
[01:52] <binarymutant> brb dieing for nicotine
[01:52]  * Unit193 thinks you should try L or X Ubuntu
[01:54] <wrst> Unit193: me?
[01:54] <wrst> binarymutant: you must be quitting?
[01:54] <Unit193> Sure, why not?
[01:55] <wrst> Unit193: i have used lubuntu before its nice, but on the low spec machine i was using to record audio only i could set up arch with gnome, using the fallback mode and its quicker and more stable than lubuntu on that machine
[01:56] <Unit193> Awww :(
[01:56] <wrst> for me on low spec stuff ubuntu just has a little too much bloat on a stock isntall
[01:57] <wrst> but that's doing something very specialized, i didn't even have a web browser on that machine for a while :)
[01:57] <Unit193> Yeah, I tried AntiX, it seemed good (but still Debian-ish based)
[01:57] <wrst> antix?? hmm i need to look that one up
[01:58] <wrst> hmm debian testing and mepis that's interesting
[01:58] <Unit193> http://antix.mepis.org/
[01:58] <wrst> but Unit193 i love debian based
[02:00] <cyberanger> wrst: say that again 5 times fast, for clarity (after all, thought you loved arch)
[02:01] <wrst> cyberanger: i love them both :)
[02:01] <wrst> but arch just has latest packages and no upgrades
[02:01] <wrst> as i tell people instead of breaking my system once every 6 months i break it every time I update :)
[02:01] <wrst> but actually never had it to break
[02:02] <wrst> and ubuntu's upgrades seem to always have a nagging issue and debian just doesn't have the up to dateness i like on the desktop, but if my home server goes again, it will more than likely be debian
[02:04] <cyberanger> wrst: and debian testing?
[02:04] <wrst> cyberanger: still too stale
[02:04] <wrst> do they have gnome 3 yet?
[02:04] <wrst> last time i looked you had to use expiremental
[02:04] <cyberanger> ok, fine, debian sid
[02:05] <wrst> cyberanger: http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
[02:05]  * cyberanger tries to click on that link from the command line, settles for elinks ;-)
[02:06] <wrst> :P
[02:06] <wrst> i think i will pass on sid, i have a feeling that would be a little bit of a headache :)
[02:07] <cyberanger> maybe a tiny bit
[02:08] <wrst> ha ha yeah arch has enough testing to be stable
[02:09] <binarymutant> wrst: trying to quit, sort of
[02:12] <cyberanger> chris4585: /invite #swissknife-router
[02:12] <wrst> i have never smoked, but man i can't quit eating i can't imagine having to quit smoking
[02:13] <cyberanger> binarymutant: kinda thought there is, and isn't (or your way of saying, long and painful process or one step forward, two steps back)
[02:13] <binarymutant> to quit eating: smoke; to quit smoking: eat; seems to be how I reduced to about 3-4 cigs a day
[02:14] <wrst> happy middle ground?\
[02:14] <wrst> smoke enough to not be fat but not enough to get cancer? :)
[02:14] <binarymutant> lol
[02:14] <binarymutant> It's not cancer I worry about, it's my wallet
[02:14] <wrst> that too
[02:14] <binarymutant> :D
[02:15] <cyberanger> lol
[15:26] <binarymutant> ha speaking of bitcoins (not too long ago) https://www.casascius.com/
[17:47] <binarymutant> gah. Just learned a life lesson: Someone asks for advice don't give it until the contract is signed.
[17:48] <binarymutant> Farm asks me about a site; I go down the list of things to be done; next day it's implemented by someone else :/
[18:36] <cyberanger> yep, that one always sting
[18:43] <binarymutant> definitly