| craigs63 | This XFCE reminds me a little of the later Amiga desktop look... | 02:45 |
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| holstein | i missed some action i see | 03:21 |
| stochastic | hey holstein how are you | 03:22 |
| holstein | stochastic: YO | 03:23 |
| holstein | im well | 03:23 |
| holstein | and you? | 03:23 |
| stochastic | good holstein, I just had a friend stop by so I'll talk in a bit | 03:30 |
| stochastic | ScottL, I've removed ubuntustudio-dev from the testers group in Launchpad now. | 17:45 |
| stochastic | I had not realized I was still owner of that group, if you'd like to take over ownership just let me know | 17:46 |
| shnatsel | oh btw, I've tried to propose my packages for inclusion in Debian, but I get "failed to connect to <something>" error, I assume my current GPRS connection is too crappy. I'll try again as soon as I get normal internet back. | 17:48 |
| stochastic | shnatsel, maybe you can enlighten me on the current state of things | 17:49 |
| ScottL | stochastic, thank you for that, i'll turn around and add the -testers team to the -dev, if that is okay | 17:49 |
| stochastic | hey ScottL | 17:49 |
| ScottL | stochastic, i'm not sure about the ownership of the -testers team at this moment | 17:49 |
| stochastic | do you need me to post any update on ubuntustudio.org about the newest release (or is there a new 11.10 release of ubuntustudio, I recall an e-mail mid-dev cycle about stopping releases) | 17:50 |
| ScottL | shnatsel, you can also send an email manually to the debian multimedia team mailing list for th ITP | 17:50 |
| ScottL | stochastic, that's a funny position, because we did make the release but it isn't really "finished" | 17:50 |
| stochastic | ??? | 17:50 |
| ScottL | i think that email was generated by cory who has been a stauch support of dropping releases and going the ppa route for some time | 17:50 |
| ScottL | stochastic, the 11.10 release is quite stable and function, just not pretty | 17:51 |
| ScottL | we had some issues completing the xfce transition | 17:51 |
| stochastic | okay | 17:51 |
| shnatsel | my friend installed it and said it's not usable... | 17:51 |
| ScottL | we have changes in bzr but they never got pushed to the main repos | 17:51 |
| shnatsel | ah, that's a pity | 17:51 |
| * stochastic is getting used to the new ubiquity interface right now | 17:52 | |
| ScottL | shnatsel, i installed it too but found it usable, i would like to know which parts he has trouble with so we can research it | 17:52 |
| shnatsel | ScottL: ok, I'll ask him | 17:52 |
| ScottL | this reminds me, micahg , we were scheduled to talk about permissions to the repositories? | 17:53 |
| micahg | ScottL: yeah, I was about to have lunch, how about 1 hr from now? | 17:53 |
| ScottL | absolutely, i'm home all day, just piddling around with stuff | 17:53 |
| ScottL | stochastic, part of the problem during the last few cycles was that we didn't have permission to the repos so some we suffered some stagnation there | 17:54 |
| ScottL | other parts are normal attrition that projects see | 17:54 |
| stochastic | ScottL, since I've been blind to the development over the last year (maybe two) can you give me a brief 'state of things' rundown (four sentences)? Is stability of RT kernel a worry, interface (xfce), etc...? | 17:54 |
| ScottL | and we did get a slow start and weren't very focused during the last cycle in particular | 17:54 |
| ScottL | okay, can do that... | 17:54 |
| ScottL | 1. probably not using -rt anymore, trying to get -lowlatency into repos because it can be built from ubuntu kernel and adjusting irq priorities can be done with all kernel versions from 2.6.39 | 17:56 |
| ScottL | 2. xfce transition needs work and tweaking still, probably need to just use an existing theme that doesn't require maintenance from us at this point | 17:56 |
| ScottL | 3. we are using jack2 now, which now has "-rt privileges" and the user needs to be in the 'audio' group | 17:57 |
| stochastic | yay jack2!!! | 17:58 |
| knome | ScottL, if greybird isn't totally bad-looking in your opinion, it's a good choice because it's the only xfce theme that supports gtk3 at least somewhat, and more support will come during the pangolin cycle | 17:58 |
| ScottL | 4. this cycle, shnatsel and i are working towards dropping the alternate image and making a live dvd image | 17:58 |
| shnatsel | knome: sounds great | 17:58 |
| knome | mmh :) | 17:58 |
| ScottL | 5. there is a good plan to update the website and documentation | 17:58 |
| ScottL | knome, as i mentioned, i think greybird is very nice in terms of being clean, not confusing, but still aesthetically pleasing | 17:59 |
| knome | yeah | 17:59 |
| knome | that's the idea in greybird | 18:00 |
| ScottL | knome, holstein and i were talking, our opinion is "just get it done", so if we can't find anything better at this point, we go with greybird | 18:00 |
| ScottL | we are tired of plucking around and not getting things done...really, really tired and frustrated | 18:00 |
| knome | ScottL, yeah. even if you want to do something else, you really should be in contact with the shimmer team | 18:00 |
| knome | ScottL, which i'm leading too, btw ;) | 18:01 |
| ScottL | knome, cool :) we'll see, if we get greybird in there and get other things done as well, maybe we'll explore that, maybe next cycle if not | 18:01 |
| knome | yeah. | 18:01 |
| ScottL | we have a lot for this cycle, but i think it's doable, but i really want to try to do what we did before...say we are going to do everything, and then people get overwhelmed and nothing gets done | 18:02 |
| knome | greybird will most probably (like 99.9999% possibility) be the default for xubuntu 12.04, and we're really trying to make it as stable as possible, even with gtk3 | 18:02 |
| stochastic | would it be a good idea to put a new update on the ubuntustudio.org site that describes the latest 'release' as an optional release (or transitional release)? | 18:02 |
| knome | i see it's mostly about maintaining and fixing little bits in xubuntu in 12.04 :) | 18:02 |
| ScottL | stochastic, are you okay with what you have heard so far? | 18:02 |
| stochastic | sound good ScottL | 18:02 |
| stochastic | I suggest the web update merely to keep all users in the loop and not appear to be a dead project | 18:03 |
| ScottL | stochastic, the two main things holstein and i want to focus on are the -lowlatency kernel and the website | 18:04 |
| ScottL | (followed by a close third of live dvd for me and shnatsel) ;) | 18:04 |
| stochastic | cool | 18:04 |
| ScottL | stochastic, i'm going to uds this year (was sponsored surprisngly) and i'm going to push the -lowlatency kernel | 18:04 |
| knome | ScottL, i'll push the first commit to LP soonish so the IS can get through it, and maybe set it to the staging site too | 18:04 |
| ScottL | i still don't know _who_ will make it happen as far as the repos go | 18:04 |
| ScottL | i can build it but i don't know the procedure or process for getting it in (and i don't want to go through REVU) | 18:05 |
| ScottL | knome, do i need to do anything further for the -website team for the branch or code? | 18:05 |
| knome | ScottL, i don't think so | 18:05 |
| ScottL | knome, also, holstein and i will be adding content to the development site | 18:05 |
| knome | yeah, np | 18:05 |
| knome | that won't be automatically copied to the staging site, but it's easy enough to do manually | 18:06 |
| ScottL | stochastic, but that is good thinking though about not appearing like a dead website | 18:06 |
| ScottL | stochastic, i've been fighting with chris jones to get timely and correct access to the current website to update it | 18:06 |
| ScottL | feel free to update it :) | 18:06 |
| ScottL | ng keeps sending emails but they are using the wrong key (one time my mistake, once his) or it hasn't worked :/ | 18:07 |
| knome | ScottL, btw, i might be taking a week (or so) off from FOSS starting from next week, but ending before UDS in any case | 18:07 |
| knome | err, before UDS ends :P | 18:07 |
| ScottL | knome, no problem, that might give holstein and i time to work on the site :) | 18:07 |
| knome | just mentioning it now so it doesn't come as a complete surprise if i decide to do that :) | 18:08 |
| knome | yeah | 18:08 |
| ScottL | lol, knome, that's a good point ;) | 18:08 |
| ScottL | given the history of people dropping the website i might have become quite upset and distraught :-) | 18:08 |
| stochastic | ScottL, if you could write up a QUICK press release/note (no more than a single paragraph) about the latest state of 11.10 I'll gladly post it. I just don't want to write it as I'm mostly blind to the state of things. | 18:08 |
| knome | hehe | 18:09 |
| ScottL | stochastic, would an ETA of this afternoon be okay with you for that? | 18:09 |
| stochastic | take as long as is required ScottL | 18:09 |
| knome | where is astraljava? | 18:11 |
| stochastic | hey knome, First, hi I'm Eric nice to meet you. Second, the new site is nice, I see it's wordpress rather than drupal - I was thinking drupal would be an easier drop-in replacement but I doubt at this stage it'd be feasible to switch. | 18:14 |
| jussi | stochastic: dont start knome on drupal... | 18:14 |
| jussi | :P | 18:14 |
| stochastic | :-) | 18:14 |
| stochastic | hey jussi | 18:14 |
| jussi | heya stochastic, been a while... | 18:15 |
| stochastic | yeah, I just left one of my two jobs jussi so I'm back to a 40hr work week instead of the 70hr one I was on for the last year | 18:15 |
| knome | stochastic, we had to rewrite the site (theme) completely anyway, so staying on drupal didn't have any other pluses than keeping the old content intact - which isn't much | 18:15 |
| knome | stochastic, as jussi said, better not start on drupal with me ;) | 18:16 |
| * ScottL was snacking for lunch | 18:16 | |
| ScottL | stochastic, thank you | 18:16 |
| knome | stochastic, nice to see you too though :) | 18:16 |
| knome | stochastic, bon appetit | 18:16 |
| knome | err, ScottL | 18:16 |
| stochastic | knome, I trust the decision was made wisely, I'm just trying to get up to speed | 18:17 |
| knome | stochastic, heh, yeah, np :) | 18:17 |
| ScottL | stochastic, i understand that wordpress was verboten at one point, but many of the ubuntu sites are now wordpress sites | 18:17 |
| stochastic | knome, the main plus I considered was that all the old access permissions/security/etc... would remain in place. | 18:17 |
| knome | wordpress is actually much much more easy to manage than drupal, really | 18:17 |
| stochastic | okay | 18:18 |
| stochastic | I've yet to learn that system | 18:18 |
| knome | stochastic, yeah, that too, but adding access to people in wordpress is really easy too | 18:18 |
| knome | stochastic, i have some (bad) experiences with drupal in the 5/6 days, but lately, almost every commercial web project i've done has been on wordpress, and thus i'm very familiar with it | 18:19 |
| stochastic | cool | 18:19 |
| knome | probably the biggest reason to use wordpress | 18:19 |
| stochastic | so the timeframe for this switchover would be... | 18:19 |
| knome | plus, it has gotten better in CMS-style things too | 18:19 |
| knome | if everything goes as expected, i think something like a month (max) would be a realistic timeframe | 18:20 |
| * stochastic looks forward to the facelift | 18:20 | |
| knome | we're getting the theme ready for canonical review really soon | 18:20 |
| knome | stochastic, http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/wordpress/ | 18:20 |
| knome | that's what we have now, and it's all already under wordpress | 18:20 |
| stochastic | yeah, scott had given me the link earlier | 18:21 |
| ScottL | stochastic, we have an rt ticket to get the site staged and then we have the review | 18:21 |
| knome | yup | 18:21 |
| knome | ScottL, actually, the review comes first, after that, the staging site ;) | 18:21 |
| stochastic | I notice the current beta site doesn't have any of the social media functions that had been brainstormed in the early stages of the discussion... | 18:21 |
| knome | we can include social media | 18:21 |
| knome | just tell me what you want to have | 18:21 |
| ScottL | knome, sorry if that upsets you, but i did share that link with stochastic as he was pretty involved previously with the website and wanted his (much more informed) opinion | 18:21 |
| knome | yeah, no problem :) | 18:22 |
| knome | just made sure he had seen it | 18:22 |
| stochastic | ScottL, that website planning wiki page you had going, is that still kicking around/being used? | 18:23 |
| knome | one note about social stuff btw | 18:25 |
| knome | if we add any plugins, they must be reviewed and approved by canonical | 18:25 |
| knome | so that will mean it takes more time | 18:25 |
| stochastic | yeah that was an earlier concern about it too | 18:26 |
| ScottL | stochastic, not directly as it probably needs to be cleaned up significantly and refocused | 18:26 |
| * stochastic browses the wiki again & refreshes memory about monthly meetings etc.. | 18:26 | |
| stochastic | ScottL, do you have the link handy? | 18:27 |
| * knome takes a shower | 18:28 | |
| knome | don't want wife to pass out of the smell when she comes home | 18:28 |
| stochastic | ScottL, knome https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp | 18:32 |
| ScottL | stochastic, yes, that is it, i think there is a blueprint as well | 18:34 |
| ScottL | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/update-ubuntustudio-website | 18:35 |
| ScottL | i think it links to that wiki page as well | 18:35 |
| stochastic | looks like a lot of people have done some significant work on this web revamp but seems like it's been disjointed | 18:35 |
| stochastic | knome I'd love to know if you need a hand with any of it | 18:36 |
| stochastic | ScottL, the http://www.myhaiku.org/ site, has that contributor vanished? | 18:37 |
| knome | stochastic, after the initial commit to the LP repository, there is little what you can do | 18:37 |
| knome | stochastic, after that, i've no problems in cooperating or others contributing | 18:38 |
| stochastic | knome, I see on the blueprint that there are some TODO items that I'd be happy to help with | 18:39 |
| ScottL | stochastic, i believe he moved to japan on business and is quite overwhelmed with that | 18:39 |
| ScottL | stochastic, there was another who just vanished without any word | 18:40 |
| ScottL | going upstairs a bit, be back in fifteen or twenty minutes | 18:40 |
| stochastic | knome, the creation of content and new pages is marked for ScottL and holstein to tackle, the peer review doesn't have any owner/driver yet, can I help with either of those steps? | 18:42 |
| knome | stochastic, give me your email and full name, and i'll create you an account on the current site and you can start with the reviewing now :) | 18:43 |
| stochastic | knome, so now that I have access, what sort of review are you looking for? | 18:46 |
| knome | you'd be better asking from ScottL and holstein | 18:47 |
| stochastic | aesthetic? logistic? security? | 18:47 |
| knome | content mostly, i think | 18:47 |
| knome | and aesthetic too, in the sense of how elements inside the content should be arranged | 18:47 |
| knome | with that, you need to contact me since not all of the css for the content stuff is in place yet | 18:48 |
| stochastic | cool, well I'm about to get out the door with some errands I need to do today, but this can be my fodder to look through in the coming days | 18:49 |
| knome | yup :) | 18:55 |
| knome | thanks for helping out | 18:55 |
| knome | bbl -> | 19:01 |
| ScottL | stochastic, for now we have discussed including the following for the website: | 19:02 |
| ScottL | 1. news/accouncement page | 19:02 |
| ScottL | 2. download page | 19:02 |
| ScottL | 3. links to tutorials/help (presumably help.ubuntu.com) | 19:03 |
| ScottL | 4. link to "contribute to studio" (wiki.ubuntu.com page) | 19:03 |
| ScottL | 19:03 | |
| ScottL | we had considered having the website show the help.ubuntu.com pages | 19:04 |
| ScottL | we had considered social media | 19:04 |
| ScottL | but we currently have simplified our scope to ensure that it gets done, provides a minimal of functionality, and looks good | 19:05 |
| ScottL | i do not think that neither holstein or i have time to invest in more than that at this point | 19:06 |
| ScottL | at least until other times are resolved | 19:07 |
| ScottL | "resolved/comleted" | 19:07 |
| micahg | hi ScottL, is now good? | 19:16 |
| ScottL | micahg, absolutely! | 19:21 |
| micahg | ScottL: so, the requirements are fairly simple, 6 months sustained contribution and demonstrated packaging knowledge for the set being requested | 19:21 |
| ScottL | micahg, i strongly suggest that i have the former, i have less explicit faith in the later | 19:23 |
| ScottL | although i would suggest that i do have experience both in packaging and our package set | 19:23 |
| ScottL | the experience is both with audio packages and studio packages | 19:24 |
| ScottL | howeve, i would expect to make mistakes, discover them, and fix them | 19:24 |
| ScottL | s/howeve/however | 19:24 |
| micahg | ScottL: indeed :), well, looking at your uploads, you have 10 from 11/2009 - 04/2011, mostly with regards to ubuntustudio specific packages (meta, default-settings, look), there's only one package that you modified from Debian and that was back in 2010 for an SRU to lucid | 19:26 |
| micahg | some of the ubuntustudio packages are in other packagesets as well, so one has to be careful not to break other derivatives | 19:26 |
| micahg | this is especially important closer to release | 19:27 |
| ScottL | hmmm, i'm surprised that some of the studio packages are in other packagesets | 19:28 |
| micahg | ScottL: right, so we all make mistakes, the key is to learn from them and try not to make the same mistakes twice | 19:29 |
| ScottL | aye ;) | 19:29 |
| ScottL | that is a mantra i espouse at work as engineering/detailing supervisor as well ;) | 19:29 |
| ScottL | does the studio packageset include non studio packages, i.e. mainstream audio packages? | 19:31 |
| micahg | ScottL: I would suggest taking this cycle to get some sponsored uploads in various components of the ubuntustudio package set, one you feel comfortable that you'd be willing to upload w/out a sponsor (confident there are no mistakes, yes there might be, but you don't know about them) or someone else suggests that you've reached that point | 19:31 |
| micahg | ScottL: here is the packageset list: http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/oneiric/ubuntustudio | 19:31 |
| micahg | since ubuntustudio switched to xfce, there's a lot of overlap w/xubuntu | 19:32 |
| ScottL | micahg, and to find a sponsor i would need to request it in #ubuntu-motu as needed, correct? | 19:34 |
| micahg | ScottL: you can get a list of stuff that needs merging/syncing from Debian for the ubuntustudio packageset here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+localpackagediffs, just select the packageset you want | 19:34 |
| micahg | ScottL: you can prepare a bug and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors or prepare a branch to merge into lp:ubuntu/foo (unless there's another Vcs-Bzr for the package) | 19:35 |
| ScottL | micahg, okay :) | 19:35 |
| micahg | if it's urgent you can ask for a sponsor in #ubuntu-motu or ping the patch pilot in #ubuntu-devel (listed in /topic there) | 19:36 |
| ScottL | i don't want to impugn anyone's work or ethic, however i need to ask, are ubuntu-sponsors responsive? | 19:36 |
| micahg | the queue is getting under control again | 19:36 |
| ScottL | ah, you have more or less answered my question | 19:36 |
| micahg | around release time I think it was hard, but there are ~8-10 pilots scheduled per week that tackle the queue as well as other people who will sponsor stuff from there | 19:37 |
| ScottL | i have seen danial t chen mention the "patch pilot" before, i will read more about this | 19:37 |
| micahg | ScottL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews | 19:37 |
| ScottL | micahg, i would ask about germinating and updating the meta packages | 19:37 |
| ScottL | we _will_ need to do this, most likely many times this cycle | 19:38 |
| micahg | ScottL: so those, are a little more difficult, but you can prepare a signed package somewhere that someone can grab or ask someone to do the upload (I assume you have commit access to the bzr branch already) | 19:38 |
| ScottL | micahg, indeed, i do | 19:39 |
| micahg | ScottL: I'm not quite sure what best practice is for those, I already had upload access when I started to do that for xubuntu | 19:39 |
| ScottL | i have imposed on the.muso in the past, i suppose this practice can continue, micahg | 19:40 |
| micahg | ScottL: yeah, I see he's sponsored those for you, maybe we can ask him in a few hours what he thinks | 19:41 |
| ScottL | persia, has also done so in past, but he has not been active lately :( | 19:41 |
| micahg | I"m happy to do it as well (it's a kick it off and go do something else kinda thing) | 19:41 |
| ScottL | micahg, i would appreciate his input as well | 19:41 |
| micahg | I've also been picking up random unclaimed ubunustudio stuff to sync, but I can leave those for you or someone else if you have people to work on them | 19:42 |
| micahg | ScottL: you also want to check https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html and the LP bug package for the package to make sure someone else isn't working on it ATM | 19:50 |
| ScottL | micahg, which type of unclaimed ubuntustudio? are you speaking of audio packages from debian? | 20:03 |
| micahg | ScottL: whatever in the packageset needed merging and hasn't been touched for a while, you can use that localpackagediff page to find what's outstanding and it's good practice to ask the person who touched it last before doing the merge/sync | 20:05 |
| ScottL | i thought much of what what synced from debian was automatic, are you saying that it is done manually? | 20:08 |
| micahg | no, most is, if there's an Ubuntu diff though, it requires review and either a new merge or a sync | 20:10 |
| micahg | we only have about 3k out of 20k with diffs from Debian and only about 1k need attention across the archive | 20:11 |
| ScottL | ah. that makes better sense | 20:11 |
| micahg | the whole ubuntustudio packageset is ~500 packages it seems | 20:13 |
| micahg | 27 need attention, 12 are shared w/other derivatives | 20:14 |
| ScottL | there are quite a few packages that cross other groups, including xubuntu at you mentioned | 20:15 |
| micahg | that localpackagediff page shows the overlap | 20:15 |
| ScottL | like ia32-libs, both for edubuntu and ubuntustudio? | 20:17 |
| micahg | ia32-libs is a dead horse, but yes :) | 20:17 |
| micahg | you can safely ignore it as a package to merge, but it's rdepends do need to be multiarched for P or you will have broken stuff: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-October/034279.html | 20:19 |
| micahg | although, I'm not sure if you want to tackle that for your beginning foraging into packaging :) | 20:19 |
| ScottL | micahg, to be forthcoming, i will not be prepared to start any of these until after uds, although i am keenly interested in doing so | 20:40 |
| micahg | ScottL: sure, whenever you're ready :) | 20:40 |
| ScottL | i still have a busy week of work before uds along with some incidental commitments i need to address as well | 20:40 |
| ScottL | for example, i am writing up a blueprint for getting the -lowlatency kernel into the repos.... | 20:41 |
| ScottL | micahg, would you be able to explain, in broad terms, the required process for getting the actual code into the repos once i have it built in ppa or a team branch? | 20:42 |
| ScottL | if not, that is completely understandable | 20:42 |
| micahg | ScottL: create a debdiff against the version in the archive and attach to a bug, subscribe ubuntu-sponsors or create a merge proposal into the lp:ubuntu/foo branch which foo is the package (unless there's another Vcs-Bzr in the control file for Ubuntu) | 20:43 |
| micahg | ScottL: team branch I think you just need to attach the branch to the bug | 20:45 |
| micahg | and then subscribe ubuntu-sponsors | 20:46 |
| ScottL | micahg, in your opinion is it worth (or even still in time) to suggest the -lowlatency blueprint for uds-p? | 21:01 |
| ScottL | falktx, daniel holbach suggested that the lightdm-theme should depends on ubuntustudio-wallpaper, do you know why he would suggest this? | 21:03 |
| ScottL | falktx, is the image we are using for the lightdm-theme in the -wallpapers package? | 21:04 |
| falktx | ScottL: it needs the wallpaper | 21:04 |
| falktx | so yes, it's in the wallpapers package, and it should depend no it because of it | 21:04 |
| falktx | *on it | 21:05 |
| ScottL | falktx, do you have time to update that package and push to the bzr branch? | 21:05 |
| falktx | ScottL: later next week, I no longer run Ubuntu | 21:05 |
| * falktx is on Arch | 21:05 | |
| ScottL | lol, okay i'll make time this coming week then and update the bug report ;) | 21:06 |
| ScottL | micahg, re: -lowlatency kernel, the process you describe sounds like i do not need to wait for uds-p to decide the kernel version, i can make it all now? | 21:23 |
| micahg | ScottL: umm, the kernel team usually decides the kernel version :) | 21:24 |
| ScottL | micahg, but doesn't UKT do that at uds-p? | 21:26 |
| micahg | yes | 21:26 |
| ScottL | okay | 21:26 |
| ScottL | would i need to wait until then to start the -lowlatency kernel process? | 21:27 |
| micahg | ScottL: I'm not familiar with what's required, do you have a link to the blueprint? | 21:27 |
| ScottL | i do.... | 21:27 |
| ScottL | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/lowlatency-kernel-in-repos | 21:27 |
| ScottL | granted, i wrote it and it's not heavy on technicals | 21:28 |
| ScottL | in fact, i'm still really writing the specification at this point | 21:28 |
| micahg | ScottL: you should discuss with the kernel team, they'd be best suited to help | 21:29 |
| micahg | unless you intend on maintaining a kernel...' | 21:29 |
| ScottL | i am intending on maintaining the kernel | 21:29 |
| ScottL | my experience with ukt has been a little...interesting | 21:30 |
| micahg | oh, hmm....that's a large security undertaking | 21:30 |
| ScottL | the -lowlatency kernel is based on the ubuntu kernel | 21:30 |
| ScottL | with the exception of some flags during complie | 21:30 |
| ScottL | compile | 21:30 |
| ScottL | this isn't the realtime kernel with an invasive patch | 21:30 |
| micahg | so, you plan to rebase/update when they do security releases (~every 3 weeks) | 21:30 |
| ScottL | if that is required, yes....this kernel is very important to ubuntu studio | 21:31 |
| micahg | ScottL: you can discuss that with jjohansen | 21:33 |
| ScottL | ukt has expressed that they will not maintain another kernel for a niche derivative (or flavour) | 21:33 |
| ScottL | i completely understand that position | 21:33 |
| ScottL | it will need to be a community maintained kernel, therefore i would expect it to be in universe | 21:33 |
| ScottL | and then we can ship it in the ubuntu studio image :) | 21:34 |
| ScottL | micahg, is jjoahnsen in the ukt irc channel? | 21:34 |
| ScottL | or #ubuntu-kernel | 21:34 |
| micahg | ScottL: maybe, he'll be in #ubuntu-hardened on Monday (he's the Security Kernel engineer) | 21:35 |
| ScottL | i'll note to talk to him on monday during work if i can get some free time (i'm really trying to get many things done before uds, including working saturday and today morning) | 21:36 |
| ScottL | you have been quite a wealth of both information and assistance, micahg :) | 21:38 |
| ScottL | i very much appreciate your time and attention | 21:38 |
| micahg | ScottL: my pleasure, glad I was able to help | 21:38 |
| ScottL | micahg, one other question, i decided to go ahead and update the ubuntustudio-lightdm-theme package and add Depends: ubuntustudio-wallpapers | 21:47 |
| ScottL | as i update the changelog i am presuming that i need to change the releae to precise at this time | 21:47 |
| ScottL | we will not get it into oneiric for release obviously | 21:47 |
| ScottL | i'm not missing anything about that am i? | 21:48 |
| micahg | ScottL: well, I generally advise people to set to UNRELEASED until it's ready for upload (the uploader can set the release), unless you're sure it needs no other changes | 21:48 |
| ScottL | i shall go with UNRELEASED then, that sounds very sane and prudent, i wonder why no one else has mentioned this before | 21:49 |
| ScottL | i rather like it, actually | 21:50 |
| ScottL | heh, i need to do more packaging so i don't have to keep relying on my cheat sheet :P | 22:09 |
| micahg | ScottL: it's not a test, cheat sheets are fine :) | 22:24 |
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