[00:09] <GridCube> zacarias, drag and drop from the start menu
[00:09] <knome> GridCube, not in 10.10...
[00:10] <GridCube> oh
[00:10] <GridCube> 10.10
[00:12] <zacarias> GridCube, knome: if I try to click the application in the menu to drag it, it will just be launched. But there should be a simple way like that
[00:12] <knome> zacarias, there is in 11.10
[00:13] <zacarias> knome: yes, but I had problems (ppc related) with booting after installing 11.10, so I came back to 10.10
[00:14] <knome> zacarias, i'm sorry, but there isn't an easier way to create launchers in 10.10
[00:14] <GridCube> you have to manually create them then
[00:14] <zacarias> knome: sure, thanks anyway ;-)
[00:16] <giacguiccia> Hello everyone, I'm new in Xubuntu, and I'm a beginner. Where do I find the audio settings menu? The path to be clear. Thanks in the meantime, I do not know if it is the right room for my problem.
[00:16] <knome> giacguiccia, what is the real problem?
[00:17] <lyrae> is there a tool to manage themes? or do we just post them in .themes folder (which is weird i had to create because it didnt exist)
[00:17] <knome> lyrae, not really. there is /usr/share/themes/, which is where the preinstalled themes are
[00:17] <knome> lyrae, ~/.themes is for your user only
[00:18] <giacguiccia> I can not find the audio settings menu..
[00:18] <lyrae> knome, i see. thanks
[00:18] <knome> giacguiccia, what do you want to change?
[00:18] <GridCube> giacguiccia, what version of xubuntu are you using?
[00:18] <giacguiccia> I need to set the outputs via skype, you know?
[00:18] <giacguiccia> 11.10
[00:19] <GridCube> you should have a small speaker icon near the hour/date, clic on it, and go to the configuration option
[00:21] <giacguiccia> In Ubuntu, i resolve my problem with this procedure:
[00:21] <giacguiccia> You move on inputs and two bars to find 100%
[00:21] <giacguiccia> Those are the two channels of digital audio that is talked about.
[00:21] <giacguiccia> You must unlock the toolbars by clicking the lock icon on the right and set the first audio channel and the second at 75% to 0%
[00:21] <giacguiccia> And now that i'm using Xubuntu i've to understand...
[00:21] <giacguiccia> :(
[00:21] <GridCube> giacguiccia, gnome =/= xfce
[00:21] <knome> giacguiccia, install pavucontrol and run it
[00:22] <giacguiccia> Wait a minute, i try to install pavucontrol
[00:27] <giacguiccia> ok problem solved
[00:27] <giacguiccia> ;)
[00:28] <giacguiccia> Now i've another problem...
[00:28] <knome> going to bed. see you later
[00:28] <giacguiccia> Ok, thank-you knome.
[00:28] <giacguiccia> see you later.
[00:28] <GridCube> giacguiccia, shoot
[00:29] <giacguiccia> i installed Treb, you know?
[00:30] <giacguiccia> It allows you to see displayed all your social networks
[00:32] <giacguiccia> GridCube are you there?
[00:46] <XubuntuZombie> hello?
[01:07] <k5lk> Howdy. Looking for help with Thunar file manager browsing network shares. Having to resort to Nautilus for now with Xubuntu.
[02:15] <rez`> what is the apt command for upgrade too 11.10?
[02:21] <Unit193> rez`: If you're on 11.04, sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:28] <lyrae> I cannot get themes to work properly. I must be doing it wrong or something
[04:43] <mkultra__> xubuntu is broken on ubuntu 11.10
[04:43] <mkultra__> cant change workspaces from 2x2 to 4x1
[04:43] <mkultra__> xfapplet is broken also
[05:10] <well_laid_lawn> !bugs
[05:39] <zus> does thunar have a "seamonkey" GpG" like nautilus does for encryption?
[05:41] <mkultra__> you can always install both if it doesnt, i run both
[05:44] <zus> i wasnt sure if itll be draggin in too many nautilus junk
[05:48] <mkultra__> im not too sure about what your asking, but...  thunar has a section where you can build external commands as menu commands to be run.....  so "seamonkey" can be called directly from the program
[05:48] <mkultra__> if its like "gksu gpg" then it can be built in
[05:49] <zus> ok.
[05:52] <zus> thanks mkultra__
[05:53] <mkultra__> yeah no problem, i know this from building a gksu gnome-terminal for it
[05:54] <zus> im trying to find  how to do this  :)
[05:55] <zus> i'd like to bring in my gpg keys from when i was on 10.04
[06:15] <mkultra__> http://www.gnupg.org/related_software/frontends.html
[06:15] <mkultra__> find its front end
[06:15] <mkultra__> then alt + f2 front end command
[06:16] <mkultra__> http://projects.gnome.org/seahorse/
[06:16] <mkultra__> so like alt + f2 seahorse does ur keys, so you would insert a command for sea horse in thunar
[06:17] <mkultra__> its in "edit" then custom actions
[06:17] <mkultra__> then appearence conditions will determine when the command shows up in your right click menus
[06:19] <spanther> Thank you so much for this awesome release of Xubuntu! Theme and workflow is awesome
[06:21] <mkultra__> my xubuntu update just broke tons of shit
[06:22] <spanther> Did you install fresh from media or updated online?
[06:22] <mkultra__> update
[06:23] <mkultra__> xfapplets broke work space problems
[06:24] <mkultra__> it should not make a difference
[06:24] <spanther> Mostly, Ubuntu and all it's sub distros has these issues :) better ever fresh install new, if a new release is out. you can just use your /home folder and so you don't lose data.
[06:25] <mkultra__> i dont have too much data on here
[06:25] <mkultra__> im definately going to move the x files over though
[06:25] <mkultra__> switch my partitioning scheme up
[06:25] <mkultra__> run gentoo as a base os, then vm ubuntu to help noobs
[06:26] <mkultra__> ubuntu is hideous
[06:26] <spanther> ok then backup and make a fresh install. it's recommended :) these version freezes and jumps like any non rolling release distro has (ubuntu, debian, opensuse and so on) can give issues when big changes occur
[06:27] <mkultra__> ive never seen anything like this
[06:27] <spanther> best is to use 3 partitions. one / one swap and one /home. so you can freshly install ubuntu ever again at / while still having all your data untouched at /home :)
[06:27] <mkultra__> gentoo can distro update everything no problem
[06:27] <mkultra__> im gonna do 4
[06:27] <mkultra__> storage partition
[06:27] <mkultra__> then garbage central
[06:27] <mkultra__> so i can wipe garbage central out
[06:27] <spanther> gentoo is rolling release :)
[06:28] <spanther> there are no big jumps between versions
[06:28] <mkultra__> so i would of been better off installing sources by hand than letting the ubuntu devs smash shit up?
[06:29] <spanther> but with distros not using rolling release cycle, you have jumps, cause software versions get a freeze and then make a big jump, when the new distro compilation is out.
[06:29] <mkultra__> lol i was an ubuntu fan for about 2 seconds
[06:29] <mkultra__> its a good distro for noobs
[06:29] <spanther> that's how it works. windows is the same :)
[06:29] <mkultra__> windows blows ass
[06:29] <spanther> and most other distros with linux too
[06:30] <spanther> only a few have rolling release cycles. most have version freeze steps.
[06:30] <ball> Computers suck generally.
[06:30] <mkultra__> indeed
[06:30] <mkultra__> at least linux is a little bit of fun smashing shit
[06:30] <spanther> if you just use 3 partitions like i said, you can reinstall the new version (doesn't take more time) and have all your configs and data files on /home untouched.
[06:31] <mkultra__> windows is fun for virus support
[06:31] <mkultra__> im pretty sure i do have 3 partitions
[06:31] <mkultra__> yeah i do /boot /swap + /
[06:31] <spanther> you better make a fourth then
[06:32] <spanther> make / smaller (like 10 or 15gig?) then all other /home as separate
[06:32] <mkultra__> so i can "echo $HOME"
[06:32] <mkultra__> i have a TB drive
[06:32] <spanther> just decide for yourself man...
[06:32] <spanther> it was an example...
[06:33] <mkultra__> id probably do small boot then like 20 gigs for the distro
[06:33] <mkultra__> then i can flood the distro with absurd package counts
[06:33] <mkultra__> make it a security issue with installing tons of garbage
[06:33] <mkultra__> my pc is a logical land fill, my house is extreme hoarder style
[06:34] <spanther> my partition is like /boot (200mb) / (20gb) swap (3gb) /home (135gb)
[06:34] <mkultra__> yeah my boot partitions not small
[06:34] <mkultra__> not big i mean
[06:34] <mkultra__> 300 megs
[06:35] <mkultra__> then an 830gb land fill
[06:35] <spanther> that's an example how it works easily. then i just update from disc to a new edition, installing it to / and reuse /home (home without format)
[06:35] <mkultra__> and a windows 7 partition for magic the gathering / counter strike
[06:35] <spanther> if /home has it's own partition you don't lose data while using fresh setup from disc.
[06:35] <mkultra__> i setup my windows like that for a long time
[06:35] <spanther> so you can make clean installs without time waste
[06:35] <mkultra__> storage partitions that are untuched style
[06:36] <mkultra__> what about users?
[06:36] <spanther> all user account folders are inside /home/
[06:36] <mkultra__> seems like the $USER would want to repunish my home directory
[06:36] <spanther> including all config files for all your software and your private data
[06:36] <mkultra__> so ur saying the private data would be like "oh its already a user here"
[06:37] <mkultra__> and not touch it
[06:37] <spanther> no you can at new install chose (own partition setup) then you can set "format /" and reuse swap and mount /home without reformat
[06:38] <spanther> so it won't touch /home, just use it again, but deletes / and reinstalls on a fresh / partition your system itself
[06:38] <spanther> all user content stays untouched and ready to use in /home
[06:39] <mkultra__> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qZGouBqZeg8/SwrcKf-1ujI/AAAAAAAABb8/BCoJdKzOVxI/s1600/australia_td-15m_landfill.jpg
[06:39] <mkultra__> that reminds me of my pc
[06:40] <spanther> you got all the information you need. now do it or drop it. not my problem :P
[06:40] <spanther> i go sleep now
[06:41] <mkultra__> lol
[06:41] <mkultra__> im familiar with the idea
[06:41] <mkultra__> so u say mount the extra partition as home no format
[06:41] <spanther> yes!
[06:41] <spanther> if format, all is lost
[06:41] <mkultra__> im gonna have to VM this
[06:41] <mkultra__> i know im gonna mess it up
[06:42] <mkultra__> i do it for doze all the time though
[06:42] <spanther> just think before clicking. if you are unsure, better research, before doing something dumb
[06:42] <spanther> for real, it is very easy.
[06:45] <spanther> go manual partitioning. check bootable flag at /boot and chose format. chose / and format too. swap does not need any format. then check /home without format. so you get a fresh clean install and have all your settings and files back at /home. that's it
[06:45] <spanther> now gn8
[07:35] <zus> mkultra__,  thanks i will figure this out when im not so tired... thanks for the links i will bookmark them.
[07:36] <zus> nighters
[09:57]  * incorrect all hi
[10:35] <o_> hi everyone. I'am using xubuntu11.10. I can't connect to samba server in gigolo. Is it a bug? How can I fix it?
[10:36] <Sysi> install gvfs-backends
[10:36] <o_> Sysi: thanks
[10:38] <o_> It works fine
[10:41] <levartemit> Hi guys, I installed Xubuntu on Virtualbox and now I'm trying to install Firestarter or GUFW, but in the Ubuntu Software Center, the "install" buttons are greyed-out . . . any idea what's going on?
[10:41] <levartemit> lol, i unplugged the network :P
[10:41] <levartemit> sorry!
[11:09] <csenger41> hello everyone :)
[11:09] <knome> hello
[11:11] <csenger41> its good to see u again, knome :)
[11:13] <knome> mm-hmm
[11:13] <csenger41> could u help in colour correcting on Xubuntu? my monitor is very paly
[11:14] <csenger41> its a laptop, MSI GX710X, and i dont want to install ATI Catalyst, last time it killed my XORG and had to reinstall the system
[11:15] <knome> csenger41, hmhh. are you sure it's not related to power management (not plugged in AC power?)
[11:15] <csenger41> no, im sure its plugged in, otherwise it can work for about 1 hour
[11:16] <knome> have you looked at the power settings?
[11:16] <knome> it might still have some non-optimal settings for some reason
[11:19] <csenger41> no, the backlight is on the max, its just the colours which look very paly
[11:19] <knome> csenger41, everywhere (even black text on white) ?
[11:21] <csenger41> no, its good, only colours
[11:21] <csenger41> i need less gamma and more contrast
[11:22] <knome> csenger41, try to change the theme
[11:22] <knome> csenger41, it might be that what is looking pale
[11:24] <csenger41> knome, no it must not be the theme, i can see the difference from eg Windows 7 when opening a picture and it looks pale as hell on Xubuntu
[11:25] <knome> hmmh
[11:25] <knome> no idea..
[11:25] <csenger41> I thought so... :( I was hoping that there is a way to edit some XORG file to perform this
[11:28] <knome> probably, never had to do that though
[11:28] <csenger41> since the first use of Ubuntu and Xubuntu, my biggest problem was the pale colours
[11:28] <knome> weird really
[11:29] <knome> maybe it just is the driver then
[11:29] <csenger41> IDK how, but installing ATI driver from jockey makes the whole system slower :S
[11:29] <knome> does it fix the problem however?
[11:32] <csenger41> yeah, my colours were perfect until XORG died and I couldnt see anything :D
[11:34] <knome> :P
[11:35] <csenger41> I'd need help in one more thing:
[11:36] <csenger41> I installed VLC, but its GUI colour doesn't follow the greybird theme
[11:36] <csenger41> i can show a pic of it if needed
[11:36] <Sysi> close it and open again, any change?
[11:37] <csenger41> nope
[11:38] <incorrect> greybird is a pretty awful theme for eclipse,
[11:39] <csenger41> incorrect: I like that theme, look simple and nice
[11:40] <incorrect> csenger41, currently there is a fair amount of brokenness about it with eclipse, but oh well
[11:40] <csenger41> https://picasaweb.google.com/115258614198791545895/Others#5666651135232372770
[11:41] <csenger41> theres a pic about the problem
[11:41] <csenger41> with 11.04 it was all good, then I reinstalled to the 11.10 and now its like on the pic... :S
[11:42] <incorrect> xfce will suffer as all the effort goes into the gtk3 stuff
[11:43] <csenger41> so any idea why is it happening?
[11:43]  * incorrect shrugs
[11:43] <csenger41> I mean its strange that it was all great in 11.04 but its screwed in 11.10 LTS
[11:44] <incorrect> LTS?
[11:44] <incorrect> this isn't an LTS
[11:44] <csenger41> it is LTS
[11:44] <incorrect> no it isn't
[11:44] <incorrect> you are wrong
[11:45] <csenger41> hm
[11:45] <Myrtti> 11.10 isn't LTS
[11:45] <csenger41> lol ur right sry
[11:45] <incorrect> does xubuntu do LTS?
[11:45] <chickenbone> I think it does
[11:45] <Sysi> same repositories as ubuntu, therefore yes
[11:46] <Sysi> same updates
[11:46] <csenger41> yes it does
[11:46] <incorrect> xfce might not get 3 years of loving, or 5 as it will be
[11:46] <csenger41> as there are so many active people here, please help me
[11:47] <chickenbone> incorrect: why do you say that?
[11:47] <incorrect> chickenbone, well i didn't know the xubuntu team had the resources to keep xfce 4.x supported for 3(not 5) years
[11:47] <csenger41> how can i set lower gamma and higher contrast level without installing ATI Catalyst on an ATI VGA
[11:48] <incorrect> yes the ubuntu parts will get looked after
[11:48] <chickenbone> incorrect: Hopefully they will get some financial support from Conical
[11:49] <csenger41> incorrect: it would be really big shame, as I hate the current Ubuntu release with crappy Unity and crappy Gnome 3 port
[11:49] <incorrect> i don't like unity either
[11:49] <chickenbone> csenger41: Agree
[11:50] <incorrect> the unity UI gets in the way
[11:50] <incorrect> functional, then style
[11:50] <csenger41> Gnome 3 would be great, but it needs way too strong hardware
[11:50] <chickenbone> csenger41: what about gnome shell?
[11:50] <knome> hmm, for the more general gnome-xfce ubuntu-xubuntu dicsussion, please use #xubuntu-offtopic
[11:50] <incorrect> sorry
[11:50] <knome> chickenbone, csenger41, incorrect: ^
[11:51] <chickenbone> knome: this is help...of sorts
[11:51] <csenger41> sorry :(
[11:51] <chickenbone> knome: point taken
[11:51] <knome> thanks
[11:51] <csenger41> then lets talk about my problem :)
[11:51] <knome> support questions are very welcome though
[11:52] <csenger41> knome had no idea, maybe you could help me incorrect and chickenbone
[11:52] <chickenbone> csenger41: fire away
[11:53] <csenger41> how can i set lower gamma and higher contrast level without installing ATI Catalyst on an ATI VGA
[11:53] <csenger41> *?
[11:54] <chickenbone> csenger41: I believe Compiz will allow you to do this, however you have to install it first
[11:55] <chickenbone> csenger41: Although this is probably not what you had in mind...
[12:00] <csenger41> chickenbone: no it isnt :) I was hoping that there is a way to perform there by editing the XORG file in a way
[12:00] <csenger41> brb one sec, gonna restart
[12:02] <chickenbone> csenger41: try this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[12:03] <csenger41> back
[12:04] <chickenbone> csenger41: see above
[12:06] <csenger41> chickenbone: cant see anything sorry :S
[12:06] <knome> 15:02  chickenbone: csenger41: try this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[12:08] <csenger41> i cant find anything there about gamma and contrast :(
[12:09] <csenger41> well never mind, I'll install ATI again, hoping it won't mess around again
[12:10] <chickenbone> csenger41: that may be all you can do. Sorry i couldn't help you. You may also want to post your question on Ubuntu Forums - perhaps someone there can help you
[12:13] <csenger41> chickenbone: its OK :)
[12:14] <chickenbone> csenger41: Why did you want to reduce the gamma anyway?
[12:14] <csenger41> chickenbone: because my colours are all paly
[12:26] <csenger41> well now im leaving, gonna install ATI catalyst
[12:26] <csenger41> thx for the help :)
[12:26] <csenger41> have a nice day guys, bye
[12:52] <egsome> How can I change position of some panel ?
[12:53] <Sysi> please don't crosspost
[12:54] <egsome> Sysi, Sorry, Thought no one is there.
[13:10] <Atanaheim> hi everyone
[13:11] <Atanaheim> I would like some help to configure my wifi network (I'm new to Linux)
[14:02] <zus> when opening a torrent it asks for transmission how can i change it to deluge?
[14:03] <Sysi> install deluge and remove transmission is easiest way
[14:03] <zus> where  are the appplications usually found when clicking  other?
[14:04] <Sysi> /usr/bin
[14:04] <zus> thanks ...
[14:04] <Sysi> or /usr/share/applications
[14:15] <rostayob> It seems that xubuntu doesn't integrate well with pulseaudio
[14:15] <rostayob> the standard mixer thing doesn't at least
[14:15] <rostayob> am I missing something?
[14:19] <knome> rostayob, try installing pavucontrol
[14:23] <rostayob> knome: yep I have that, but is there a way to integrate xfce better with pulseaudio?
[14:29] <knome> not afaik i know
[14:31] <knome> ermh, -"i know" :P
[14:33] <Sysi> default mixer can cotrol pulseaudio volume but not more
[14:33] <Sysi> +n
[14:34] <w30> I came in here to get as far away from Unity and Gnome3 as I could but those brash Unity people won't leave me alone;
[14:35] <w30> They have gofed up my compiz install
[14:36] <w30> has any one got a /etc/compizconfig for xfce4?
[14:37] <w30> mine is bastardized with unity and messed up my window decorations
[14:38] <Sysi> that's more likely because of lack of decorator than unity
[14:38] <Sysi> set it to use gtk-window-decorator
[14:39] <w30> Sysi, where do you set that?
[14:40] <knome> w30, please watch the language
[14:41] <knome> w30, also no need to blame anyone
[14:41] <w30> Sysi, something like --gtk-window-decorator
[14:51] <w30> Sysi, it says failed to load theme Adwaita
[14:54] <w30> Sysi, so it doesen't load a window decoration because I don't have Adwaita and I don't want it; it's ugly
[14:56] <Sysi> you can set it in compizconfig-settingsmanager, "window decorations" but I don't know where it picks theme
[14:56] <w30> I think I will go get a shot of zanax and calm down, hopefully.....
[15:03] <knome> w30, please recheck your attitude. we don't want to know what you do to calm down, nor we want to hear you blaming other people.
[15:10] <skatepunkcat> hi, so how does this work?
[15:10] <knome> skatepunkcat, what is "this" ?
[15:11] <knome> erh
[15:11] <Sysi> did you unban em already?
[15:12] <knome> that was Myrtti's ban
[15:12] <skatepunkcat> well im having a problem with xubuntu should i just tell you whats wrong
[15:12] <Sysi> oh yeah
[15:12] <knome> skatepunkcat, yep
[15:12] <knome> äsch
[15:15] <skatepunkcat> ok, i just finished installing vlc with the software center and the window closed on me. so i restarted and now every time i try to open the software center or the update manager the window automatically close's . any help would be awesome
[15:18] <beardygnome> skatepunkcat: if you open up the terminal and type software-center, what happens?
[15:20] <skatepunkcat> it spits out some warnings then the center open's for about 4 sec. then close's
[15:21] <beardygnome> do you get any errors in the terminal when it closes?
[15:21] <Sysi> you could put the output to paste.ubuntu.com
[15:25] <knome> !pastebin
[15:28] <skatepunkcat> ok here is the paste output http://paste.ubuntu.com /717008/
[15:29] <skatepunkcat> and the last one is the one that it gave me after the window closed
[15:39] <snark> Would there be any negative reprocussions for me taking away read priveledges from "other" and "group" on my home directory?  I may make an acount for my little brother to ssh into, and I don't want him to be able to read my home dir.
[16:03] <YeahRight> hi there i need some help..i've been upgrading to 11.10 and during the upgrade i experienced a samba error
[16:03] <YeahRight> Could not install 'samba'
[16:03] <YeahRight> The upgrade will continue but the 'samba' package may not be in a working state. Please consider submitting a bug report about it.
[16:03] <YeahRight> package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')
[16:03] <YeahRight> after the error the upgrade continued and it wanted to report this bug
[16:03] <YeahRight> during the bug report procedure i pressed cancel..assuming it would cancel the reporting
[16:03] <YeahRight> but it seems i cancelled the whole ugrade now and i get this:
[16:03] <YeahRight> Could not install the upgrades
[16:03] <YeahRight> The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[16:03] <YeahRight> thats not what i wanted...the upgrade went fine except for the samba thing
[16:03] <YeahRight> i just wanted to cancel the reporting
[16:03] <YeahRight> so what can i do now?
[16:07] <knome> fix the upgrading.
[16:08] <ushills> hi, looking for some help with 11.10, for some reason I dont have shutdown on the login screen anymore installed with lightDM
[16:09] <beardygnome> ushills: what does your login screen look like?
[16:10] <beardygnome> is it black with a white pattern?
[16:11] <ushills> Yep, the black and white one with dots
[16:11] <beardygnome> that happened to me - you've ended up with the wrong theme
[16:12] <ushills> How can I change it?
[16:12] <beardygnome> to fix it, you need to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[16:13] <beardygnome> you need to change greeter-session=unity-greeter to greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[16:13] <ushills> Thanks, done it
[16:14] <ushills> Secondly, why has the user switcher disappeared as well from the user options.
[16:14] <beardygnome> i had another problem with lightdm once i'd done that, so see http://beardygnome.co.uk/2011/10/22/oneiric-ocelot-arrives/ for more info
[16:18] <art> Hi all, I'm experimenting with xubuntu, so have been installing and uninstalling it. I notice most of the wait time during the install is for the installer to download programs. Is there some way I can save the iprograms froma previous download in order to minimize the install time of later installs?
[16:51] <zenrox> art i would just tell the installer not to get the updates during the install
[16:51] <zenrox> and the restricted ones either
[16:52] <zenrox> then i would get them after i get xubuntu installed
[17:01] <skatepunkcat>  um i was wondering if anyone has gotten anywhere with my window closing problem?
[17:02] <art> ty zenrox, not sure how to tell the installer not to get the updates...
[17:05] <vooze> Is there a reason why the live / install cd is OVER 700mb? :/
[17:05] <art> I was chatting with babble...but he lost connection........would it be possible for me to clone a fresh install using clonezilla, burn it to a DVD, then just install the DVD image each time I want a fresh install???
[17:05] <babble> clonezilla will do a byte for byte copy of your entire hd including empty/unused space
[17:06] <babble> clonezilla is a frontend for dd
[17:06] <zenrox> vooze, you probly got the dvd image
[17:08] <art> yes, that's correct....but I have a small drive, the original install could be done onto a 30 GB drive, then cloned.
[17:08] <vooze> zenrox: got it from here: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/oneiric/release/desktop/ -- torrent file
[17:11] <vooze> zenrox: ah nevermind.. for some weird reason my ubuntu (not xubuntu) install took the bits and said 730mb.. strange :D
[17:12] <art> vooze and zenrox, would the dvd image make for a faster install because downloading during a CD based install was not needed??
[17:14] <art> vooze andzenrox...my ver 11.10 live D is 730 mb, but my cd's are 750 mb, so it just barely fits.
[17:15] <GridCube> there is no dvd image for xubuntu
[17:16] <art> thanks grid.........is there a dvd image for any ubuntu?
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has dvd, so does Edubuntu, UbuntuStudio, and I think Kubuntu
[17:20] <vooze> Think there used to be for standard ubuntu, but not sure
[17:21] <charlie-tca> But to be clear, Xubuntu has never had a dvd, and still does not have a dvd
[17:25] <art> Is there any reason why a fresh install of xubuntu couoldn't be copied to a DVD, then the DVD could be copied back onto an empty hard drive when a fresh intall was needed???
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Other than hardware specific stuff, no
[17:26] <charlie-tca> If the hardware doesn't match exactly, it may fail, though
[17:26] <Sysi> it shouldn't, only propietary drivers and such should fail
[17:26] <Sysi> xubuntu initrd should contail all drivers
[17:27] <Sysi> art: well, try clonezilla
[17:28] <art> ok, so a copy of a fresh install can only be reinstalled on the same computer....I can live with that and it would definately help speed up installs!!!! Now, I'm not even sure if clonezilla is needed...maybe just drag and drop the entire install onto a DVD will work just as well.
[17:29] <yashy> Upon reboot into xubuntu 11.10, I have two issues. 1) My ethernet doesn't auto-connect, I have to manually run 'sudo dhclient' to get an IP. In Settings -> Network Connections, for eth0 it has "connect automatically" checked, but does not do this.
[17:30] <yashy> 2) My sound doesn't work upon reboot. After last reboot I went onto alsamixer, and chose SB manually, as the default was blank. That doesn't seem to be working this time, unless I'm doing something incorrectly, but I'd like sound to work upon reboot
[17:31] <GridCube> yashy, clean install?
[17:32] <art> I thank you all for the input-support for the various tu's is outstanding. I hope to run linux forever and to give Bill the boot completely.
[17:34] <yashy> GridCube: upgrade.
[17:34] <GridCube> oh, you should delete most of the .something folders on your /home/user then
[17:34] <GridCube> only leave those you can not live whitout
[17:35] <GridCube> and reboot
[17:35] <charlie-tca> at least the ones in ~/.cache and ~/.config
[17:35] <yashy> will try what charlie-tca recommends... brb
[17:46] <Vegar> I have a .desktop file that should be run in a terminal (run it terminal is checked in the file properties), but whenever I click it from thunar, it just opens a new terminal
[17:46] <Vegar> running exo-open the.desktop executes the file properly
[17:46] <Vegar> is this a bug or a misconfiguration on my part?
[17:47] <Vegar> it seems to only happen when gnome-terminal is the default terminal app
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Vegar: then it is probably a conflict between terminals. Xubuntu sets exo-open to point to xfce4-terminal, so if gnome-terminal is the default, you might have to reset it someplace.
[18:28] <zacarias> if you install a gtk theme, will it ruin your xubuntu performancde, making it like (Gnome)Ubuntu?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> no, but if it isn't GTK2 and GTK3 compatible, it will make some things look bad
[18:32] <Sysi> if you install buggy enough theme it may cause weird stuff
[18:34] <zus> hello, has anyone experienced  when using laptop button to mute, but it will not unmute, i have to mouse to the speaker icon and click unmute?
[18:35] <Sysi> I've heard reports about that and maybe had it myself
[18:36] <zus> its not such a big deal but im sure its not intended to work this way, but "I" do use the mute alot  at work  ...:)
[18:37] <Sysi> do you have vol up button, what using it does?
[18:38] <zus> raise the volume
[18:38] <zus> the notify boxes dont really seem to "match" though.
[18:38] <Sysi> I mean when it's muted, raises from zero or where it used to be?
[18:39] <zus> oh, no once i mute it its muted till i unmute it
[18:40] <zus> i know in linux mint  if i muted i had to unmute raising volume alone didnt unmute it, but  it was all done with my  buttons so its cool
[18:44] <zus> ubuntu one wont let me  switch my account, which is a bit annoying, i might even uninstall  and not use it. - thats too bad to i guess.
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in about 5 hours (22:00 UTC). Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:57] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in about 3 hours (22:00 UTC). Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:02] <vooze> I'm trying to set Chromium to default browser in xubuntu settings, but i cant just write chromium.. its like chroimum %somthing or simular.. anyone know?
[19:04] <well_laid_lawn> try  chromium %F
[19:05] <vooze> well_laid_lawn: worked perfectly.. thank you!
[19:05] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[19:13] <zus> how come  im not able to log into my 2nd ubuntu one account from ubuntu one client ?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> zus: since most of us can not get ubuntuone to work at all with xubuntu, you might want to try #ubuntuone
[19:23] <zus> thank you charlie-tca
[19:36] <yashy> Can someone help me debug a sound issue? It only started since upgrading to 11.10. I have two audio devices (SB and HDMI) and pavucontrol only sees the HDMI one? http://pastebin.com/EHY9VwVr
[19:57] <klymeroo> bonjour
[19:59] <attar> bleh, what's with the random white text in greybird.. firefox menu bar and thunderbird buttons for example :|
[20:01] <charlie-tca> attar: changes in the application theme by Mozilla, which we are trying to get fixed
[20:02] <attar> ahh, i see. thanks :)
[20:19] <xubuntu105> hello :)
[20:19] <xubuntu105> can anyone tell me how good xubuntu is at finding the drivers for, say, the built-in webcam my laptop has? when I don't have the windows partition with the original drivers to back it up?
[20:29] <zus> later guys! thanks
[21:14] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 45 minutes (22:00 UTC). Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:17] <serfus> something funny... on the english layout everything is fine, but when switching to hebrew layout looks like all the number keys are not working except for '9'
[21:17] <serfus> not with shift as well
[21:54] <GridCube> rhythmbox doesnt close when i close it :(
[21:54] <GridCube> it keeps playing on the background
[21:54] <knome> GridCube, maybe it goes to notification area ;)
[21:54] <knome> GridCube, or the indicator area
[21:54] <GridCube> it does not
[21:54] <GridCube> because it doesnt have a notification area icon
[21:54] <knome> a-ha
[21:54] <GridCube> and you can not make one
[21:55] <knome> maybe it's invisible then? :P
[21:55] <GridCube> so its probably going to the notification area of gnome
[21:55] <knome> prolly
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel now. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:52] <YeahRight> when i get an error like:  Could not install the upgrades The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[22:52] <YeahRight> will everything return exactly to the situation before i upgraded?
[22:53] <YeahRight> it shouldnt even do a recovery cause all i did was canceling a bug report creation..
[22:56] <YeahRight> i need to know if i just should let the recovery run and then upgrade again or if i should stop the recovery some way since the upgrade kinda finished with only samba install failing which triggered the bug report creation
[22:56] <philipballew> YeahRight, upgraging to .10?
[23:00] <YeahRight> yes
[23:00] <YeahRight> thanks for replying philipballew
[23:00] <philipballew> anytime :)
[23:00] <philipballew> well. lets se
[23:00] <philipballew> e
[23:01] <philipballew> I think it should and if not you can try to upgrade again and see if the same thing happens
[23:01] <GridCube> YeahRight, you should, if you can, do a clean install
[23:01] <philipballew> GridCube, got to it before i did. good job
[23:01] <YeahRight> i reply prefer not to do that
[23:01] <GridCube> ok
[23:02] <philipballew> YeahRight, lets upgrade your machine
[23:02] <GridCube> then you should do an upgrade deleting most of the dot starting folders of your ~/
[23:02] <YeahRight> i understand that would solve issues but then again i wouldnt have upgraded :P
[23:02] <philipballew> lets do it from the terminal so we can see all thats happening
[23:03] <YeahRight> this sound like great support..thanks..sure let's do that
[23:03] <philipballew> worst that happens is you get the same error anyway
[23:03] <philipballew> alright. here is what you should enter
[23:04] <philipballew> wait
[23:05] <philipballew> first off what does lsb_release -a show you
[23:05] <philipballew> it say what version your running
[23:06] <YeahRight> i'm trying to paste something on pastebin but it doesnt seem to respond
[23:06] <philipballew> YeahRight,
[23:06] <philipballew> well is its not to long go ahead and paste it here
[23:06] <YeahRight> ok
[23:07] <YeahRight> hi there i need some help..i've been upgrading to 11.10 and during the upgrade i experienced a samba error
[23:07] <YeahRight> Could not install 'samba' The upgrade will continue but the 'samba' package may not be in a working state. Please consider submitting a bug report about it.
[23:07] <YeahRight> package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')
[23:07] <YeahRight> after the error the upgrade continued and it wanted to report this bug
[23:07] <YeahRight> during the bug report procedure i pressed cancel..assuming it would cancel the reporting
[23:07] <YeahRight> but it seems i cancelled the whole ugrade now and i get this:
[23:07] <YeahRight> Could not install the upgrades
[23:07] <YeahRight> The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[23:07] <YeahRight> thats not what i wanted...the upgrade went fine except for the samba thing and i just wanted to cancel the reporting
[23:07] <philipballew> what do you use samba for?
[23:07] <GridCube> (to share folders probably?)
[23:08] <philipballew> i would only assume
[23:08] <YeahRight> i should tell you i run this xubuntu in a vitual machine
[23:08] <YeahRight> and i think i didnt even really use it yet to be honest but i would like it to work
[23:08] <YeahRight> (samba that is)
[23:09] <philipballew> well i would upgrade then fix samba if its having issues
[23:09] <YeahRight> LSB Version:	core-2.0-ia32:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-ia32:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-ia32:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-ia32:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-ia32:core-4.0-noarch
[23:10] <philipballew> sudo apt-get install update-manager-core
[23:10] <YeahRight> like i just pasted..it practivally did finish upgrading..
[23:10] <philipballew> then
[23:10] <YeahRight> but then i pressed cancel
[23:10] <philipballew> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:10] <YeahRight> to stop the bugreport i thought
[23:10] <YeahRight> and now i still have a window telling me it will run a recovery
[23:10] <YeahRight> i still have to click that window away
[23:10] <YeahRight> and then recovery will start as it looks now
[23:11] <philipballew> maybe you should recover
[23:11] <YeahRight> should i just press close?
[23:11] <YeahRight> and let recover run?
[23:11] <philipballew> do what it says then upgrade?
[23:11] <philipballew> let recover run
[23:11] <YeahRight> well i wonder what recover will do exactly
[23:11] <YeahRight> will it really return my system to before the upgrade?
[23:12] <YeahRight> or will it just create some default situation
[23:12] <philipballew> i am not sure, but if you want to upgrade i would do it
[23:13] <YeahRight> its strange that pressing CANCEL one time during a particular part of the upgrade proces appearantly will undo the whole upgrade proces
[23:13] <YeahRight> i only wanted to skip the bug reporting
[23:13] <YeahRight> not stop the upgrade
[23:13] <YeahRight> upgrade said it could continu even with the samba error occuring
[23:13] <YeahRight> so i figured to fix that lateron
[23:14] <philipballew> yeah, if it is upgrading dont cancel it I guess.
[23:14] <YeahRight> yeah ..i wish i had known that..
[23:14] <philipballew> it needs to continue all the way
[23:14] <philipballew> its all good
[23:14] <YeahRight> i also allowed stuff to be deleted during upgrading..
[23:15] <YeahRight> so if recovery would need that..
[23:15] <YeahRight> best would be if i could undo the cancel somehow
[23:15] <YeahRight> i think the way it works is not bery user friendly tbh
[23:15] <GridCube> recovery will try to reinstall stuff
[23:15] <GridCube> not to go back
[23:16] <GridCube> if you are using a vbox you can take an image of how is it now
[23:16] <GridCube> and go whi the upgrade if things fail you should be able to comeback to the snapshot
[23:16] <YeahRight> thats good thinking
[23:18] <YeahRight> so GridCube : you're saying...basically i will jsut run the upgrade again when it wants to recover?
[23:19] <GridCube> charlie-tca, can you help me here please?
[23:19] <GridCube> charlie-tca, can answer you better
[23:20] <YeahRight> ok cool
[23:20] <YeahRight> charlie-tca we're waiting for you :P
[23:21] <GridCube> explain in a single sentence for him :P
[23:22] <charlie-tca> GridCube: I have review the logs here first
[23:22] <GridCube> :)
[23:24] <YeahRight> sure thing
[23:24] <YeahRight> it's already great you are around :P
[23:27] <chickenbone> Does anybody know how I can install additional themes?
[23:27] <knome> chickenbone, copy theme files to /usr/share/themes/ or ~/.themes
[23:28] <chickenbone> Excuse my ignorance but were can I download the files from?
[23:28] <knome> !themes
[23:29] <chickenbone> Yes
[23:29] <chickenbone> knome: Are there any you suggest?
[23:29] <chickenbone> knome: Or recommend?
[23:30] <chickenbone> They all look good but same may be better than others - if you catch my drift.
[23:30] <knome> chickenbone, any on http://shimmerproject.org/
[23:30] <chickenbone> nice
[23:30] <chickenbone> I'll have a look now
[23:30] <knome> chickenbone, greybird supports gtk3 the most of xfce themes
[23:30] <knome> chickenbone, those themes should be in murrine-themes
[23:31] <knome> (the package)
[23:32] <YeahRight> GridCube / charlie-tca : i might be afk for a bit but i will read all your comments about what to do for sure later so please just paste them in channel whenever you are ready..thanks
[23:33] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:33] <charlie-tca> I don't know what I can do yet
[23:33] <YeahRight> :-)
[23:33] <charlie-tca> YeahRight: you stopped the upgrade?
[23:33] <YeahRight> well not willingly..
[23:33] <YeahRight> if you read back..i thought i canceled the bugreporting only
[23:34] <YeahRight> i wanted to skip that part..
[23:34] <charlie-tca> did the upgrade stop?
[23:34] <YeahRight> and now i have a popup window telling me about a recovery that will follow after i press close
[23:34] <YeahRight> Could not install the upgrades
[23:34] <YeahRight> The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[23:35] <chickenbone> knome: Just to verify, these themes are installed by default on Xubuntu.
[23:35] <YeahRight> that came after pressing cancel during the bug reporting
[23:35] <knome> chickenbone, mmh, i thought so. ;)
[23:35] <YeahRight> there is no need for any recovery since the upgrade went fine except for samba
[23:35] <charlie-tca> let the recovery run
[23:35] <knome> chickenbone, i was just making sure (and i'm trying to chair a meeting at the same time, so i'm not the most focused)
[23:36] <charlie-tca> It will try to fix samba
[23:36] <YeahRight> ok i pressed close
[23:36] <charlie-tca> It won't run "recovery" as in windows. It will attemp;t to fix the packages that broke
[23:36] <YeahRight> ok
[23:36] <YeahRight> i get this now: Upgrade complete
[23:36] <YeahRight> The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade process.
[23:36] <chickenbone> knome: That's fine. I'll play around with them as see if they suit me
[23:36] <knome> chickenbone, good :)
[23:37] <YeahRight> hmm..i think it didnt even do what i claimed it would do..which is run a recovery (dpkg --configure -a)
[23:37] <charlie-tca> That's possible.
[23:37] <charlie-tca> YeahRight: is everything finished now?
[23:38] <charlie-tca> do not reboot yet
[23:38] <YeahRight> i see no visible upgrade thing running anymore
[23:38] <YeahRight> maybe i should check in ps ?
[23:39] <charlie-tca> then open a terminal and type        apt-cache policy gvfs-backends
[23:40] <YeahRight> sounds sexy...what will that do? :P
[23:40] <charlie-tca> It will check if the items required for samba are there
[23:40] <YeahRight> cool
[23:40] <charlie-tca> hit enter after typing that
[23:40] <YeahRight> gvfs-backends:
[23:40] <YeahRight>   Installed: 1.10.0-0ubuntu1
[23:40] <YeahRight>   Candidate: 1.10.0-0ubuntu1
[23:40] <YeahRight>   Version table:
[23:40] <YeahRight>  *** 1.10.0-0ubuntu1 0
[23:40] <YeahRight>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/main i386 Packages
[23:40] <YeahRight>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[23:40] <charlie-tca> It's there.
[23:41] <YeahRight> how can i fix it?
[23:41] <charlie-tca> fix what?
[23:41] <charlie-tca> The upgrade completed
[23:42] <charlie-tca> You can run     sudo apt-get update
[23:42] <charlie-tca> then run      sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:42] <YeahRight> ah..i thought that checked for samba..
[23:42] <charlie-tca> and see if it says anything this time
[23:42] <YeahRight> the samba errors i got still need fixing
[23:42] <charlie-tca> How do you know it didn't get fixed
[23:43] <YeahRight> well didnt the error messages during the upgrade suggest that?
[23:43] <YeahRight> Could not install 'samba'
[23:43] <YeahRight> The upgrade will continue but the 'samba' package may not be in a working state. Please consider submitting a bug report about it.
[23:43] <YeahRight> package samba is not ready for configuration  cannot configure (current status `half-installed')
[23:44] <charlie-tca> yes, and -a should have fixed it
[23:44] <YeahRight> -a where?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> did you run     dpkg --configure -a     in the terminal?
[23:45] <YeahRight> no
[23:45] <YeahRight> i thought it said it would do that itself..
[23:45] <YeahRight> should i have done that?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> run it, but it will be         sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:46] <charlie-tca> You need to run it, to try and fix the errors
[23:46] <YeahRight> i already did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade like ou said..is the order wrong now? (so no dpkg --configure -a yet)
[23:46] <YeahRight>  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade finished without errors i think
[23:47] <YeahRight> can i still run sudo dpkg --configure -a now?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> please do
[23:47] <charlie-tca> I think the issues got fixed already, but yes, run it
[23:47] <YeahRight> it returned to the prompt immediatley
[23:48] <YeahRight> as if it ddint do anything
[23:48] <YeahRight> thats correct?
[23:48] <YeahRight> no output at all
[23:48] <charlie-tca> Then it fixed itself. You are in good shape
[23:49] <YeahRight> cool
[23:49] <YeahRight> thank you charlie-tca
[23:49] <charlie-tca> You still will need to restart, and it needs to be a full restart, not logout,login
[23:49] <YeahRight> i think it indeed looks good now :P
[23:49] <YeahRight> yup sure
[23:49] <charlie-tca> If anyting fails during the restart, use Ctrl+alt+del to force it again. Then do a full shutdown, even with the power switch if it gets stuck.
[23:50] <YeahRight> ok restarting now
[23:50] <charlie-tca> The reboot will include a full fsck on the hard drives, so expect it to take a while with no responses
[23:50] <YeahRight> ok
[23:57] <YeahRight> reboot went fine..thanks again :P
[23:57] <charlie-tca> You are welcome