[00:04] <Torch> google finds https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[00:10] <nafg_> Hi, after upgrading to Oneiric I no longer have Shutdown and Restart options. Any idea?
[00:17] <gomiboy> RickKnight: tried using padsp to launch the games?
[00:21] <Deathspawn> anyone know how to turn off stereo mix? it's somehow on and really annoying for skype... :/
[00:23] <MeanderingCode> Hello hello
[00:24] <MeanderingCode> Can anyone clarify for me whether the Muon Software Center will show apps submitted by developers as the Ubuntu "Software Center" does?
[00:39] <nafg_> Hi, after upgrading to Oneiric I no longer have Shutdown and Restart options. Any idea?
[00:46] <nafg_> Hi, after upgrading to Oneiric I no longer have Shutdown and Restart options. Any idea?
[00:53] <RickKnight> gomiboy: Yes, padsp works on a couple but with some delay. It doesn't work at all RTCW.
[00:53] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Yo
[00:54] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I lost my wired connection, so we're back to me being hosed...any ideas though, especially since b43-fwcutter didn't work?
[00:54] <Daskreech> Did you try modprobe b43 ?
[00:56] <AvonGenesis_> Hey, I just installed kubuntu on my Compaq Presario C551NR, I'm having trouble getting the wireless to work.
[00:56] <Daskreech> !wifi
[00:57] <AvonGenesis_> Thanks, I'll read that then.
[00:59] <nafg_> Hi, after upgrading to Oneiric I no longer have Shutdown and Restart options. Any idea?
[00:59] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: yep, when I tried those, the ability for wireless completely disappeared
[01:04] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: hmm
[01:05] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Do you know what revision your card is?
[01:05] <Linkmaster> I can find out...would it be written on the card itself?
[01:07] <Daskreech> Iiii think so?
[01:07] <Daskreech> Should say rev somenumber
[01:11] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: this might be helpful: http://pastebin.com/AinKSBDQ
[01:12] <AvonGenesis_> Running command "lshw -C network" says my wifi card is UNCLAIMED. I checked for proprietary drivers and Broadcom STA wireless driver is installed. I cannot access the wireless tab in the network manager though.
[01:12] <Matisse> hi
[01:13] <Matisse> I started installed some i386-packages on my 64bit system, but there are a lot dependencies, so i think i need to take a different way
[01:15] <Matisse> I'm trying to install the graphic driver. do you think a chroot env is needed or should I just install every needed package using getlibs (ppa package from somebody)?
[01:15] <Matisse> somebody = https://launchpad.net/~jcollins/+archive/jaminppa/+packages
[01:21] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: What command was that?
[01:23] <Daskreech> never mind :)
[01:23] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: the title
[01:23] <Daskreech> Just saw it
[01:23] <Linkmaster> ah, alright. anything useful in there?
[01:24] <phiscribe> Linkmaster, is the ive heard that sometimes the firware for a net card might get "misplace" during and upgade, dont know much more than that, usualy they are in /lib/firmware or some such place    locate firmware
[01:24] <Linkmaster> This was a fresh install, so thats one reason why we are confused of the borkyness
[01:25] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Yeah. Is it 32 or 54 bit?
[01:25] <Daskreech> 64
[01:26] <Linkmaster> 32bit
[01:26] <phiscribe> fresh might be worse if they have decided they dont have room for an older driver or firmware file and just drop it
[01:26] <Linkmaster> ^that is possible...the s10e is around 2-3 years old
[01:27] <phiscribe> and many of the broadcom are conidered proprietary they wouldnt be included, maybe you need to install the cutter packages
[01:28] <Linkmaster> ^Tried that, its whats making my card completely disappear
[01:28] <Daskreech> As long as they are maintained they will be kept around
[01:29] <phiscribe> get the driver straight from boradcom
[01:29] <Linkmaster> well, Daskreech, what do you propose we try next?
[01:30] <phiscribe> have you tried the "Additional Driver" and see if it lists Broadcom STA
[01:31] <Linkmaster> that was amongst the first tried, it ended with nothing happening
[01:31] <OerHeks> you have the fw-cutter, but do you also have the installer ?
[01:31] <Linkmaster> The Broadcom STA is what I used to always use
[01:31] <Linkmaster> OerHeks: yes
[01:31] <junior> can some1 help me
[01:31] <Daskreech> which was the closest we got to working except the rf-kill switch
[01:31] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: did it work in Windows?
[01:32] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: nope
[01:32] <Daskreech> !ask
[01:32] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: oh?
[01:32] <Linkmaster> I have the 'firmware-b43-lpphy-installer'
[01:32] <junior> how do i download like jave/ flash player and stuff?
[01:32] <phiscribe> firmware-b43-installer  ?
[01:32] <junior> were i find it?
[01:32] <phiscribe> and the b430fwcutter
[01:32] <Linkmaster> I tried that one, it complained to me
[01:33] <Daskreech> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras | junior
[01:33] <phiscribe> and the b43-wcutter
[01:33] <phiscribe> eeeh cant typ e b43-fwcutter
[01:34] <junior> yeh this my first time using kubuntu need bit more help lol
[01:34] <Linkmaster> I have b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-lpphy-installer to download/install while I had a wired connection. I was going to put installer w/o lpphy, but it said "your card is a low power" or something like that, and insisted I install that version
[01:34] <phiscribe> seee if it is blacklisted      cat  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf | grep b43
[01:34] <Daskreech> junior: Open your package manager :)
[01:35] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: and me tried that =P
[01:35] <junior> ok
[01:35] <Daskreech> junior: search for kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:35] <Daskreech> Click install and install it
[01:36] <Daskreech> There you go. Java, Flash, Video and Music Codecs
[01:36] <phiscribe> bcmwl   - broadcome kernel sources           bradcom-sta-common   broadcom-sta-source  bcmwl-modalases
[01:36] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: it not working in Windows is worrying to me
[01:36] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: same. Both of them stopped working at the same time, but I didn't really think about it until just now
[01:37] <Daskreech> :-/
[01:37] <junior> how do is et so i aint gotta enter my password everytime i install something
[01:37]  * Daskreech thinks the card is borked. It's reporting that a hardswitch that doesn't exist is turned on and can't pick up any signals
[01:37] <Linkmaster> junior thats a good option, leave it be. its for security purposes, to not let a happenstance person mess with your system
[01:38] <Daskreech> junior: finish one thing at at time :)
[01:38] <junior> ok
[01:38]  * Linkmaster has started to believe that as well..
[01:38] <Daskreech> We can fix that afterwards
[01:38] <Linkmaster> hmm...let me jack a card from another kid, see if it starts working
[01:39]  * Daskreech laughs
[01:39] <Daskreech> Sorry I just saw you robbing some guy of his laptop's wifi card dressed in a penguin suit
[01:40] <phiscribe> whaq whaq whaq  (while tookin cigar and twriling unbrella)
[01:40] <junior> can kubuntu run minecraft?
[01:40] <Daskreech> Give me your laptop...s wifi card. You can keep the rest of the laptop... NOW! Move it Buddy!
[01:40] <Daskreech> junior: Yes
[01:40] <Daskreech> I was actually surprised when I heard it ran on Windows
[01:40] <junior> what minecraft
[01:40] <Daskreech> Yes :)
[01:41] <junior> lol i had windows 7 but it was so laggy running minecraft and stuff
[01:41] <Daskreech> You can probably tune it.
[01:41] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: ironically, that is exactly what I did =P
[01:41] <junior> so how do i run it then?
[01:42] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: You carry a penguin suit for just such an occasion :)
[01:42] <Daskreech> junior: instructions are on the website
[01:42] <Daskreech> !info minecraft
[01:42] <Daskreech> Didn't think so
[01:42] <Linkmaster> No, I'm talking about the "give me your laptop...s wireless.." part
[01:43] <junior> u guys on here 24/7
[01:44] <jmichaelx> we all live here. it was the sad result of a scientific experiment that went horribly and hopelessly wrong...
[01:44] <junior> what u on about live her
[01:44] <junior> here*
[01:45]  * Linkmaster is trapped
[01:46] <junior> so sitting there helping people is your day job?
[01:46]  * Unit193 couldn't figure out what people were talking about when they said "/part"
[01:46] <jmichaelx> we are just waiting for someone from the outside to come along, and be the bridge for to once again resurface in the visible world
[01:46] <jmichaelx> for us*
[01:47] <Daskreech> junior: Occupation. Not really a job :)
[01:47]  * jmichaelx thinks to himself, 'but it really is kind of peaceful here...'
[01:47] <Daskreech> Unit193: You got that /part now?
[01:47] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: well...I tried a 'good' card, and the same problem..I'm just going to try the other kids motherboard as well
[01:47] <junior> ok so i downloaded minecraft now how do i run it :/
[01:48] <nafg_> Hi, after upgrading to Oneiric I no longer have Shutdown and Restart options. Any idea?
[01:50] <phiscribe> nafg_, sounds like you have a mix or kde and gnome or unity components and there is a conlfict, like usng lighdm instead of kwin or along those lines
[01:52] <phiscribe> nafg_,  are you logging in with KDM or GMD  it must be KDM in kubuntu to see those menus
[01:53] <phiscribe> if you are certain  (100 percent) that you want kdm    maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:53] <nafg_> Ah, that could be it. But I'm quite sure it wasn't like that in Natty.
[01:53] <nafg_> Did something change and why?
[01:53] <phiscribe> log out and in and pick kdm for sessoin and see if that is it
[01:54] <nafg_> I'll find out the next time I log out :)
[01:55]  * Linkmaster has come to a depressing realization
[01:55] <phiscribe> k  pertty sure it is along those lines
[01:55] <nafg_> Huh -- it was set to lightdm for some reason. Does unity use it?
[01:55] <phiscribe> light dm is the windows manager for unity kubuntu still uses kwin i believe
[01:56] <phiscribe> bevofe i think comp8iz might have been for ubuntu
[01:56] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Ben Affleck can't act?
[01:56] <nafg_> Wait, are we discussing window manager or desktop manager (gdm vs. kdm)?
[01:57] <phiscribe> the missing loou t screen is usualy the logon manager not being kdm
[01:57] <phiscribe> but the new unubut now uses lightdm as windows manager
[01:57] <nafg_> Could lightdm also be a logon manager?
[01:57] <phiscribe> but if your usihng kubuntu that is incorrect
[01:57] <Linkmaster> Daskreech:  I think my motherboard is broken, because the good card didn't work either. I then popped my harddrive into the other computer, and it worked perfectly. first time connection, no problem
[01:58] <nafg_> I switched it back, but under Natty it was gdm and it worked.
[01:58] <phiscribe> i guess technicly it is the display manager
[01:58] <AndroidLoverInSF> i have a shell program. how to add it to kde panel? i tried playing with widgets, but cant find how to add a shell program as in icon to the panel
[01:58] <phiscribe> a move to webkit
[01:59] <phiscribe> 11.10 ubuntu (not kubuntu) now uses lighdm did not in natty
[01:59] <nafg_> Android: Right click desktop, New link to application
[01:59] <nafg_> So KDE is ok with gdm but not lightdm?
[01:59] <nafg_> Anyway, why on earth should it care?
[02:00] <phiscribe> lightdm may repalce gdm, im using kubuntu not for sure about  vanalia ubunt u
[02:02] <phiscribe>  It is proposed to be the display manager in Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneric) replacing GDM which has been the display manager since the beginning. See the blueprint for more details.
[02:04] <AndroidLoverInSF> nafg: i cant see my desktop anywhere, not in panel, how to quickjump to it?
[02:04] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: yep...my motherboard must be borked, because even my broken card works in the other computer
[02:05] <nafg_> Android: So just open Dolphin
[02:05] <AndroidLoverInSF> oh, i added a show desktop widget, so i can click that now
[02:05] <phiscribe> ..... my broken card works   is that a saying like military intelliegence
[02:07] <phiscribe> i am think i am now in favor of the search and launch view, it seems to work fo rme
[02:08] <AndroidLoverInSF> im on 4.7, when right click on the desktop, only have addWidget, addPanel, Activities, RunCommand options,
[02:08] <phiscribe> i can use a remote with it easily
[02:09] <phiscribe> i dont see how the newspalyer layout could be uses well
[02:09] <phiscribe> used well that is
[02:10] <phiscribe> AndroidLoverInSF,  that sounds about like the deafults with lock and a couple others
[02:11] <AndroidLoverInSF> i just want to add an icon to the bottom panel for a shell program i installed, but cant figure out how
[02:11] <phiscribe> AndroidLoverInSF, oh i see now, find the application in the launcher then right click on it
[02:12] <phiscribe> if you have the defualt panel it will have a lancher menu, if not add a launcher or add the default panel back
[02:12] <AndroidLoverInSF> oh but the app isnt in the laucher cuz its a shell program in a dir.  i know how to add "installed" apps to the panel but not custom shell programs
[02:13] <phiscribe> type the name in the launcher it will find even shell apps
[02:13] <phiscribe> like i can type in cat   and i get an opton to run cat
[02:13] <AndroidLoverInSF> oh i see, the problem is the app has no extension ie, "eclipse"
[02:14] <AndroidLoverInSF> /opt/eclipse/eclipse -clean
[02:14] <phiscribe> right lick the luancher and edit applications
[02:14] <AndroidLoverInSF> ahh i see, thanks, i should be able to figure it out from here
[02:14] <jmichaelx> new rekonq coming down from kubuntu ppa.... maybe this one will work
[02:15] <AndroidLoverInSF> thanks!
[02:15] <phiscribe> its all new the 1st time hehe
[02:16] <AndroidLoverInSF> hehe, yep
[02:17] <AndroidLoverInSF> so add it to the launcher, then add the new launcher item to the panel. got it!
[02:19] <jmichaelx> rekonq 0.8 appears o be working :-)
[02:19] <jmichaelx> to*
[02:19] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Woohoo! Problem solved!!
[02:20] <Linkmaster> True, it just led me to a larger one xP
[02:21] <Daskreech> ##hardware
[02:21] <phiscribe> AndroidLoverInSF, more ways to skin the cat probably, but that one is the direct one
[02:21] <Linkmaster> I don't even want to [insert string of horrid things here] anymore
[02:21] <Daskreech> That's good
[02:22] <jmichaelx> Linkmaster's wireless is working???
[02:22] <Daskreech>  I've never wanted to [insert something horrid in his here]
[02:22] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: looks so
[02:22] <jmichaelx> YAY!!!!!
[02:22] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Rest of the computer is broken though
[02:22] <jmichaelx> who cares about that...
[02:22] <Daskreech> Motherboard is messed up
[02:22] <jmichaelx> wireless is working!!
[02:22] <jmichaelx> oh
[02:22] <jmichaelx> ok, not so good
[02:22] <phiscribe> jmichaelx, what was not working with old rekong?  i cant get it to do flash well
[02:23] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: for me, the rekonq was crashing like a mofo every time i tried to use it... especially uping trying to open new tabs
[02:24] <phiscribe> ah, well glad the new version is working
[02:24] <jmichaelx> s/uping/upon/
[02:24] <phiscribe> is it gonna be rekonq now or konq  which is gonna be the default
[02:25] <phiscribe> rekonq doesnt seem to fish or man or ftp even
[02:25] <jmichaelx> in kubuntu, at least, it is rekonq
[02:25] <jmichaelx> hmm
[02:26] <jmichaelx> phiscribe: i guess it doesn't... i just tried to fish with it, and it opened a dolphin window
[02:27] <jmichaelx> i dunno whether or not they intend to add those things or not.... if they turn rekonq into a file browser, etc, what will we need dolphin for?
[02:28] <jmichaelx> maybe they can merge them... and it'll really be like konqueror 2
[02:28] <phiscribe> sftp smb all that
[02:28] <jmichaelx> or not or not
[02:29] <phiscribe> web kit also, well i dont like its fonts in linux
[02:29] <phiscribe> it is greased lighnting though
[02:30] <phiscribe> but webkit came fro khtml,   eat your parents
[02:52] <Linuxephus> Greetings one & all. I was wondering if anyone here might be able to direct me in the use how to send SMS from my Yahoo Account using Kopete? I have everything set up as it should be etceteral. Excepting the fact I've been unable to send SMS using kopete.
[02:55] <Linuxephus> Interesting thing about the matter is that Pidgin does it just fine automatically. Yet Kopete itself seems to have no option to do so in the Yahoo Account.
[02:55] <Linuxephus> [Taps on his screen & scratches his beard befuddled amusement]
[02:57] <Linuxephus> Eh...it seems I'll have to brush up on my grammar abit. It's been quite sometime since I've been around these parts...so to speak.
[03:00] <xdunlapx> hi Linuxephus
[03:00] <xdunlapx> your grammar seems fine to me
[03:00] <Linuxephus> Greetings Dunlap and well met by the way.
[03:01] <xdunlapx> :) I tried using Kopete and wasn't impressed. so i went back to Pidgin which I've used since it was Gaim
[03:02] <phiscribe> kopete doesnt seem as feature rich, still feeding off its egg sack i think
[03:02] <phiscribe> is there a magic bullet for ugly fonts, especialy browseres, (webkit seems worse)
[03:03] <Linuxephus> Well, I too used to use Pidgin until I switched over to Kubuntu which comes with Kopete by default. However, unless I'm mistaken otherwise, it appears Kopete, unlike Pidgin, doesn't support the SMS feature on ones Yahoo account as Pidgin does.
[03:03] <Linkmaster> phiscribe: the 'ubuntu' font seems very nice, and dejavu * works nicely
[03:03] <phiscribe> its not the fonts, its how they are rendered
[03:04] <phiscribe> like antialias is ignored
[03:04] <Linkmaster> Linuxephus: I know that the new KDE-telepathy can send SMS texts, as long as they text you first. I believe I recall the devels saying they'd eventually work in a 'text' button of sorts
[03:04] <xdunlapx> haha
[03:04] <Linkmaster> Oh, that is..oh, somewhere in the system settings, I recall something somewhere somehow(which really doesn't help) about how to fix that
[03:04] <phiscribe> my applications are ok, its mosly just the browsers, and mostly ones using webkit to render
[03:05]  * Linkmaster is tired and braindead, so he dares not venture a solution
[03:07] <Linuxephus> Ah, I'm thinking it indeed happens to be in the settings somewhere around something Linkmaster-->>LOLing. Reckon I'll have to dig around some as there are SMS options. Just not the straight forward variety.
[03:07] <Linuxephus> Or back to Pidgin to keep it simple. Thanks for the "heads-up" nonetheless Linkmaster.
[03:10] <Linuxephus> Interesting, the set-up here is quite different from the commenting set-up that one might find in a forum versus irc. [Duly noted for future use]
[03:12] <Linuxephus> xdunlapx: And how does one here address another directly to get the beeping notification?
[03:13] <phiscribe> Linkmaster, if the users name is in the message it hits the notification system
[03:13] <phiscribe> Linuxephus, i meant
[03:13] <xdunlapx> Linuxephus: I think you type /msg nickname message but i'm not sure i'm new to kde apps such as quassel
[03:14] <Linkmaster> Thanks =P
[03:14] <phiscribe> messages with phiscribe in them will notify me, messages with Linuxephus notify you
[03:14] <phiscribe> ah Linkmaster you like being notified hehe
[03:14] <Linuxephus> Yep, I just figured that out phiscribe...xdunlapx
[03:14] <Linkmaster> at least add a "sorry, false ping" in there when the person goes away and you accidentally ping them
[03:15] <phiscribe> Linuxephus, try starting a new mesassage and type phi   then hit tab   phi+tab
[03:15] <phiscribe> it tries to auto fill the name like a bash shell and a directory
[03:16] <phiscribe> as long as there isnt a philosophy ur ok
[03:17] <MeanderingCode> Can anyone clarify for me whether the Muon Software Center will show apps submitted by developers as the Ubuntu "Software Center" does?
[03:18] <Linuxephus> Ah, I always prefer to be notified if possible. Though a quick reading eye will do the same in either case @Phis. xdunlapx: I'm connected here thru Chromium.
[03:19] <Linuxephus> MeanderingCode: I believe it will do that very thing from default if I'm not mistaken.
[03:20]  * phiscribe is still on 11.04, not read to fight the lions tigers and bears
[03:20] <MeanderingCode> Linuxephus: Thanks.  The only app i know of to "test" it with isn't in there, yet (for Oneiric...it's in for older ones)
[03:20] <phiscribe> not ready that is
[03:23] <Linuxephus> I was going to try Quassel @Dunlap, but opted for the quicker non-registration route. I happen to be on Kubuntu 11.04 myself as well Phis. No problem Meandering, though methinks there should be several other means to do "testing".
[03:25] <Linuxephus> Linkmaster: I'm wondering how one is to know when another goes away to avoid falsely pinging them (LOLing) when ones having gone away is not made known.
[03:26]  * Linkmaster ponders
[03:27] <Linuxephus> [Scratches his beard & laughs good naturedly as he begins to see the ease of which of how similar irc and forums actually are.]
[03:27] <Linuxephus> [Ponders the pondering along with Linkmaster]
[03:27] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: Far as I know there is no SMS from Yahoo in Kopete. The Yahoo maintainer for Kopete left quite a while back (after getting Voice and Video working) but kde-telepathy would support it
[03:27] <Linkmaster> Oh jeez, you have no clue...these are forums, just fast
[03:28]  * Linkmaster did mention kde-telepathy earlier
[03:28] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: That has not been released yet so if SMS in Yahoo is important to you please feel free to use Pidgin
[03:28] <Daskreech> !tab | Linuxephus
[03:29] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: but not permanent which is a disadvantage
[03:29] <Linkmaster> Yeah, but it works nicely still
[03:30] <Daskreech> Linkmaster: Tends to be friendlier though
[03:30] <Linuxephus> Daskreech: I seem to have managed to verify that very thing Daskreech. And thanks to you & Linkmaster for the aforementioned KDE-Telepathy suggestion. Tab...duly noted and much quicker yet.
[03:30] <Linkmaster> THE FACT THAT IT WORKS.....
[03:30] <Daskreech> ha ha :)
[03:32] <Linuxephus> I prefer to stick with KDE apps. as much as possible, so I'll give Telepathy a whirl so to speak. Though Pidgin always was less problematic in my humble opinion.
[03:33] <Linuxephus> Linkmaster: So long as it works, that's all that matters. [Contemplates pondering the universe]
[03:33] <Linkmaster> don't, you'll get a headache
[03:33] <MeanderingCode> Linuxephus: starting your message with "/me " will make it an action
[03:33]  * MeanderingCode hopes the suggestion is helpful
[03:34] <Linuxephus> In that case Linkmaster, you can be Misery, and I'll be Loves Company.
[03:35] <Linuxephus> MeanderingCode: I think you just confused me abit there MeanderingCode.
[03:36] <MeanderingCode> if i type "/me hopes this is clearer", it will say:
[03:36]  * MeanderingCode hopes this is clearer
[03:36]  * Linkmaster typed '/me' before typing "typed '/me'
[03:37] <Linuxephus> MeanderingCode: I though that's what you were implying. Duly noted. I see "making it an action" is differing from the forum version of "making an action".
[03:37] <MeanderingCode> what is an "action" in a forum?
[03:37] <Linkmaster> -action-
[03:38]  * Linkmaster -stabs- MeanderingCode
[03:38] <MeanderingCode> tough to do over the wire :P
[03:39] <Linuxephus> MeanderingCode: An "action in a forum would more along the lines of starting and ending a sentence with "[ ]" or something similar to give the appearance of taking an action. My apologies as I should've made that clearer.
[03:39] <MeanderingCode> makes sense
[03:40] <MeanderingCode> i use that notation in non irc chat
[03:40]  * Linuxephus Stabs the typing that made the typed typo
[03:41] <Ihazaclue> Blah blah blah
[03:41] <Linuxephus> MeanderingCode: LOLing...I always use the "[ ]" notation by habit in "stating" an action.
[03:42] <Linuxephus> Ihazaclue: The only thing I got from that was "blah, blah, blah".
[03:43] <Linuxephus> Well ladies and gentleman alike, my humble thanks for the very usefull information. I bid one and all a good day or night, depending on ones location.
[03:44] <Linuxephus> Signed: Josephus Duncan Constantinus.
[04:03]  * Daskreech welcomes back the wandering pondering Linuxephus
[04:04] <lnxkde> :)
[04:04] <lnxkde> nice job with 11.10 looks and runs great
[04:05]  * Linuxephus Welcomes back Daskreech who noticed the wandering, pondering Linuxephus pondering wonderingly around.
[04:05] <Daskreech> lnxkde: That would be for #kubuntu-devel :)
[04:10] <lnxkde> Daskreech: :) done
[04:12] <Linuxephus> MeanderingCode: Any more luck with getting that Muon Software question tested with a satisfactory answer?
[04:12] <MeanderingCode> Nope...dealing w/ other tasks, atm
[04:13] <Linuxephus> Eh...I'm still trying to decide if I like the Freenode better than using Quassel. Though I'll admit I like, apparently, IRC much better than "chat" and almost as muchas a forum setting.
[04:15]  * Linuxephus Thanks Daskreech for the previous "welcome back".
[04:16] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: Freenode is a server. Quassel is a way of accessing the server
[04:16] <Daskreech> THough I know suspect you are talking about chat.frenode.org
[04:16] <Daskreech> Wait
[04:16] <Daskreech>  is it http://webchat.freenode.org ?
[04:16] <Daskreech> No wait .net
[04:17] <Daskreech> I should really remember that URL better
[04:19] <Linuxephus> Daskreech:  It was one of the Freenode sites. It fails my memory as to exactly what the URL was at the moment. And what I meant to infer was: I'm not sure whether I like accessing Freenode via Chromium or Quassel-->>LOLing
[04:19] <Belial`> is anyone else having issues with kde going dim and blacking the screen out when watching a movie?
[04:19] <Daskreech> Belial`: Change the power setting ?
[04:20] <Belial`> Daskreech: to what? shouldn't it just know not to do that while a movie is playing?
[04:20] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: :-) I use Konversation myself
[04:20] <Linuxephus> Belial`: That will be in your Desktop Settings if I'm not mistaken. Standby, I'll doublecheck that.
[04:20] <vehemoth> how would I go about just using certain parts of kde?
[04:20] <Belial`> Linuxephus: ok, thanks.
[04:21] <Linuxephus> "I use Konversation myself"-->>Huh, I'll go peruse that when my time permits Dask.
[04:21] <Daskreech> Belial`: It should if the video player sets the mode. Some of them don't. The new KDE release should have this much easier. There will be a one button switch for it and you can link that to an application so even if the videoplayer doesn't set the power profile correctly Kwin will do it for you
[04:22] <Daskreech> vehemoth: Install the parts you care about with dependencies and run those
[04:22] <Belial`> Daskreech: i see.
[04:22] <Daskreech> Belial`: for now you can press alt+F2 and type power
[04:23] <vehemoth> Daskreech: I have as much as I can, is it possible to modify the start up process so only some of it starts?
[04:24] <Daskreech> vehemoth: What are you trying to acheive ?
[04:24] <Linuxephus> Belial`: Dask is correct. Go into your Power Profile Settings and Unclick the "dim display" checkbox in whatever profile you're currently using.
[04:25] <vehemoth> Daskreech: I don't want the bar at the bottom or whatever does the desktop. I'm assuming it's plasma. I would like the notifications. Seperatley from kde I seem to be able to only start krunner and kwin
[04:26] <mr-rich> Simple question: How do I run a program as a different user?
[04:26] <Belial`> alrighty. thanks, Daskreech, Linuxephus. do i need to uncheck screen energy saving also?
[04:26] <Daskreech> vehemoth: if all you want is krunner and kwin you can probably do that. I used to run that as my only options
[04:27] <Daskreech> vehemoth: If you specifically don't want just the bar you can click on that button at the end and remove it
[04:27] <Linuxephus> Belial`: Not that I'm aware of. My only does that with the "dim display" active.
[04:27] <Daskreech> Belial`: That would stop the screen powerdown from kicking in
[04:27] <vehemoth> Daskreech: can you tell me what draws the notifications?
[04:27] <Belial`> alright. thanks again.
[04:28] <Daskreech> mr-rich: In theory you should be able to run it from krunner and choose run as a different user from the little wrench beside the application name
[04:28] <Daskreech> No idea if the bug blocking it was fixed though
[04:28] <Daskreech> vehemoth: knotify which comes from kdelibs. If you have a Kapp running then the notifications exist.
[04:29] <Daskreech> Plasma will skin them to whatever theme you are running. If you don't have plasma running they become static grey boxes
[04:29] <Daskreech> mr-rich: which program would you like to run?
[04:30] <mr-rich> Daskreech: Dolphin
[04:31] <Daskreech> mr-rich: Hmm ok let me try it out. I think that might still be broken though
[04:32] <vehemoth> Daskreech: Okay thanks, I'm going to try some thigns and hopefulyl they'll work
[04:32] <mr-rich> Daskreech: If it doesn't work, I have a work around ...
[04:33] <Daskreech> mr-rich: :) there are workarounds of course. That's just a GUI exposure of other wasys of doing it. Would be nice if it worked though :-/ Seems that bug hasn't been closed
[04:33] <Linuxephus> Belial`: Alternately, Gnome Mplayer has a setting that disables Dimming & SCreensaver during video playback. That's merely a "heads-up" mind you.
[04:33] <Daskreech> vehemoth: alright. Are you jsut trying to get rid of the panel?
[04:34] <Daskreech> Belial`: To be honest I can't remember when last  player didn't flip those properly though
[04:34] <Belial`> it happens with dragon player.
[04:34] <Belial`> so far it's the only i've used.
[04:36] <jmichaelx> does smplayer not also have such settings?
[04:36] <Linuxephus> Gnome Mplayer would stop that from being a problem for those not wanting to muck about in the Power Management settings. Works perfectly for me on Kubuntu 11.04, though I've the "dim display" option unchecked to begin with.
[04:36] <vehemoth> Daskreech: I'm trying to mix and match things that I like from different environments. Though I'm obviously not used to trying to rip apart DEs. This one had frustrated me so much but I just looked over a page and found that I could start krunner separetely
[04:36] <Daskreech> vehemoth: You can indeed
[04:37] <Linuxephus> jmichaelx: I'm not sure since I haven't used it since my Gnome 2.32 desktop days.
[04:38] <jmichaelx> Linuxephus: just a question, but why would you  use gnome mplayer in kde, with options like smplayer around?
[04:38] <jmichaelx> ahh
[04:38] <vehemoth> Daskreech: Though I still can't find anything on how to modify the start process of ksmserver and all that stuff
[04:39] <jmichaelx> Linuxephus: just asking, since smplayer might be a bit of a better match for kde... but if you prefer gnome mplayer, far be it from me to tell you to use something else
[04:39] <Linuxephus> Because I'm what you might refer to as a desktop mixer...Example: I'm running KDE 4.6.x and Gnome3 on my own install. Preferences I suppose.
[04:39] <jmichaelx> i must say that i am so far very disappointed in vdpau performance on this machine in oneiric
[04:39] <vehemoth> Daskreech: or maybe it was kwrapper4, anyway I'll get onto what I was trying
[04:40] <Daskreech> vehemoth: alright
[04:40] <Daskreech> !info kmplayer
[04:40] <jmichaelx> Linuxephus: yup, it's all about what works best for you
[04:40] <Daskreech> !info kaffiene
[04:40] <Daskreech> Hmm
[04:40] <jmichaelx> kaffeine*
[04:40] <Deet`> Ok, so i updated and upgraded my way from 8.04 to 10.04 and finally got all my media to play. it was awesome. then i paused Commando, left for an hour, came back and i'm right back to square one. audio works, video is just a blue background
[04:40] <Daskreech> !info kaffeine
[04:41] <Daskreech> \o/
[04:41] <jmichaelx> yay
[04:41] <Linuxephus> jmichaelx: And in the end that's all that matters [lol]
[04:41] <jmichaelx> Linuxephus: i agree
[04:41] <Daskreech> Deet`: what video codec is it using?
[04:41] <Daskreech> !info commando
[04:41] <Daskreech> what's Commando ?
[04:41] <Linuxephus> Daskreech: already have all those you've listed. As for 11.10, I'm waiting for it to mature a bit more so to speak.
[04:41] <Deet`> movie with Ahhnold
[04:42] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: Good move
[04:42] <Deet`> that part was probably irrelevent. had no idea what codec is being used.
[04:42] <Daskreech> Deet`: Oh Ahhnold. He'll blue screen anything
[04:42] <Deet`> lol Daskreech, not just him, every movie files
[04:42] <Deet`> just a blue background in the media player. doesn't mater which player i use either
[04:43] <Daskreech> Ah that's more worrying :)
[04:43] <vehemoth> How would I log out with a command?
[04:43] <Daskreech> Deet`: sounds like a video option. What driver are you using?
[04:43] <Daskreech> vehemoth: logout ?
[04:43] <Daskreech> vehemoth: unless you mean from KDE
[04:43] <Deet`> good question. i just know it worked, didn't do anything then it quit. lemme check the video settings
[04:44] <Daskreech> Deet`: What video card do you have?
[04:44] <Deet`> ATI Radeon 9550
[04:44] <Daskreech> Ah I've the 9560
[04:45] <Deet`> 256mb, AGP8x
[04:45] <Daskreech> Or 9650 I forget
[04:45] <vehemoth> Daskreech: pkill X probably, unless there's a better way of course
[04:45] <Deet`> i forgot how to look up my drives by command line or in kde4
[04:45] <Deet`> :/
[04:45] <Daskreech> vehemoth: you can do a dbus logout command
[04:45] <Deet`> i know it installed the ATI catalyst stuff
[04:46] <Daskreech> Deet`: umm.. depends on what you are looking for
[04:46] <vehemoth> Daskreech: cool, I'll look into it
[04:46] <Deet`> drivers* sorry
[04:46] <Daskreech> Deet`: Ah well then I know what driver you are using then
[04:47] <Deet`> well, at least someone knows what i'm doing :P
[04:48] <Deet`> except i don't belive i'm using the ATI driver as Catalyst doesn't run
[04:49] <Deet`> joy: aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
[04:50] <Daskreech> mr-rich: you'll be happy to know the krunner works :) I was doing it wrong
[04:51] <Daskreech> Deet`: from the command line can you type lsmod | grep ati
[04:51] <Daskreech> let me know if it returns anything
[04:52] <Daskreech> mr-rich: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205229
[04:52] <Deet`> nope
[04:53] <Daskreech> Deet`: press up and replace ati with radeon
[04:53] <Deet`> Daskreech: nada
[04:53] <Daskreech> Deet`: press up again and replace radeon with fglrx
[04:54] <Deet`> nothign
[04:54] <Daskreech> >_>
[04:54] <Deet`> something has gone way wrong
[04:55] <Daskreech> Deet`: can you pastebin the output of lsmod for me?
[04:55] <Deet`> the funny thing is there is no output
[04:55] <Deet`> just goes to next line
[04:55] <Deet`> oh wait
[04:55] <Daskreech> Deet`: from lsmod with nothing else on the line ?
[04:55] <Deet`> you want all of i
[04:55] <Deet`> it*
[04:55] <Daskreech> Deet`: Yes
[04:57] <Deet`> Daskreech: http://paste.kde.org/137053/
[04:58] <Daskreech> Deet`: do you have onboard video for that computer?
[04:58] <Deet`> nope
[04:59] <Daskreech> Deet`: You don't have a driver loaded up for ati
[04:59] <Deet`> i see that.
[05:00] <Daskreech> Deet`: what does sudo modprobe radeon && lsmod | grep radeon say ?
[05:04] <Deet`> Daskreech: i don't know what that was supposed to do, but it killed my gfx until reboot
[05:04] <Daskreech> Deet`: well that's useful to know
[05:05] <mr-rich> Daskreech: so, where do I find "run as a different user" in krunner?
[05:05] <Daskreech> Deet`: could you pastebin sudo lshw -C video
[05:05] <Deet`> i'm gonna have to fight with it tommorow. need to sleep
[05:05] <Daskreech> mr-rich: type dolphin. You will see (at least) two entries one with a cog at one end and a wrench on the other. Click the wrench
[05:06] <Deet`> Daskreech: here's this tho http://paste.kde.org/137059/
[05:06] <Daskreech> Deet`: ok if you have mplayer you can try redirecting xv tomorrow
[05:06] <Daskreech> Deet`: mplayer -vo xv <path/to/movie>
[05:06] <Deet`> i got kmplayer does that count?
[05:06] <Daskreech> Deet`: it does indeed
[05:06] <Deet`> that gives me blue backgrounds too :/
[05:07] <Daskreech> Deet`: well it's not an xv issue then
[05:07] <Deet`> any who, windows still works. i'll figure it out tommorow
[05:07] <Daskreech> Deet`: both unclaimed. :-/ Ok
[05:07] <Daskreech> Deet`: night
[05:07] <Deet`> and all my 3d games work fine too
[05:07] <Deet`> o.O
[05:07] <Deet`> gnight
[05:09] <mr-rich> Daskreech: I click on the wrench I get a list of plugins ... ???
[05:09] <Daskreech> mr-rich: wrong wrench
[05:09] <Daskreech> mr-rich: the wrench beside the result for dolphin
[05:10] <keithzg> The one that says "Run dolphin"
[05:11] <Daskreech> ^^
[05:14] <mr-rich> Daskreech: Found that ... :) ... getting nothing ...
[05:15] <Daskreech> mr-rich: what version of KDE are you runing?
[05:17] <mr-rich> Daskreech: the one that came with 11.10 ... 4.7, I think?
[05:18] <Daskreech> mr-rich: should work.
[05:18] <mr-rich> Daskreech: I enter the username & password, but I get no window ...
[05:19] <Daskreech> mr-rich: works here
[05:19] <Daskreech> takes a little while to open
[05:19] <Daskreech> mr-rich: try it with kate
[05:22] <mr-rich> didn't work ... I think I know what the problem is ... I have to edit the user and make it so it can run x apps ... :)
[05:24] <mr-rich> I have a local web server with vhosts ... and I'm doing some dev work for a club I belong to ... so, in order to make it act like a regular web server, I created a user for that web ...
[05:24] <scud_bucket> if there are any dev doods here who contributed to Kubuntu, just wanna say thanks. been using it for two weeks now...im hooked.
[05:24] <mr-rich> gave it limited permissions & stuff ... :(
[05:29] <Daskreech> scud_bucket: They are here but more likely to get your thanks if you go to #kubuntu-devel and say that
[05:34] <Linuxephus> A-yuh, methinks I like the Quassel client better than such being done in a web-browser. I gave Konversations a shot Daskreech, and thus will I be sticking with Quassel for all intents & purposes.
[05:36] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: Good enough :)
[05:38] <Linuxephus> Daskreech: I notice Konversation seems to be somewhat new by Kubuntu standards. And is there a way to retrieve messages after having logged out on the off chance one has been addressed in said process of being offline?
[05:38] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: For Quassel there is. Not for konversation
[05:38] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: Of course someone can leave you messag with msgserv
[05:39] <Linuxephus> Ha! Your a veritable wealth of knowledge there Dask.
[05:39] <Linuxephus> Daskreech: I believe that should be in the log settings themself then, yes?
[05:40] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: what shoudl be?
[05:41] <Linuxephus> Daskreech: Backlog Fetching to be more specific. In what manner can that be utilized?
[05:41] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: Ah umm your client logs the things it sees  (if you have that enabled of course)
[05:42] <Daskreech> If you are offline then that stuff in general is gone. Though this channel is logged by robots and put up on the internet
[05:43] <Linuxephus> Yes, I'm aware of how the "client log" operates now. What of the internet logs themselves, can they be accessed by anyone?
[05:44] <sillytones> Daskreech: are there any irc clients that can use the online logs the way that quassel uses its quasselcore for backlogs?
[05:44] <Linuxephus> P.S.-Of course I have that enabled.
[05:44] <Linuxephus> What Silly stated.
[05:45] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: that's dependent per channel. Ubuntu Project has all the channels owned by them logged and publicly available. some (most?) channels are not logged and publicly available though I suspect many will have a bot logging it somewhere
[05:45] <Daskreech> sillytones: Quassel
[05:46] <sillytones> Daskreech: Quasel can use online logs instead of quasselcore?
[05:46] <Daskreech> In theory any GUI irc client could use quassel core and I tried to see if konversation would support a plugin that does that
[05:46] <Linuxephus> That would be the answer I sought and suspected Dask. Never hurts to double check though when in the process of learning new open source type tech.
[05:47] <Daskreech> sillytones: Ah misread that :) No since a) most channels don't have an online log and b) every online log is up to i) the way it was logged and ii) the way it's presented. There is no common way of presenting, finding or accessing that information
[05:48] <Daskreech> and No good irc client is going to try and tie itself to a few channels on a single server.
[05:48] <kadoban> how do i turn on 3 button mouse emulation in kubuntu? i don't see anything in the mouse settings
[05:48] <sillytones> ah makes sense
[05:48] <Daskreech> I would guess that for most scriptable irc clients you could write a plugin for channels you care about. of course you could just do what Quassel is trying to imitate
[05:48] <sillytones> too bad, its nice having irc on all the time, but I only have one year of free Amazon E2
[05:49] <kadoban> as in, hitting left+right click = middle click.  there must be a way, right?
[05:49] <Daskreech> sillytones: irssi and screen?
[05:49] <Daskreech> kadoban: hitting right and left at the same time should emulate middle click
[05:49] <sillytones> Daskreech: you still have to have a server that's on 24-7
[05:50] <kadoban> Daskreech: and if it doesn't? ('cause it doesn't...)
[05:50] <Linuxephus> Daskreech: Are you sure about that as according to Quassel's backlog fetching option, it lists two options: 1-Fixed chat logs. 2-Unread messages per chat.
[05:50] <Daskreech> sillytones: if you make friends on IRC you'll find a lot of people willing to give you a small account on their server. A number of people have a small machine sitting at home just for this purpose
[05:51] <sillytones> oh cool
[05:52] <Daskreech> kadoban: you can probably run xinput list to find out what ID your mouse has
[05:53] <Daskreech> then run xinput set-prop <device_ID> 248 1
[05:53] <Daskreech> That will set middlemousebutton (which is property 248) to on (which is 1)
[05:53] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: sure about what?
[05:55] <Linuxephus> Scratch that question Dask. I misread one of your comments to Silly while perusing two other channels aside from this one.
[05:56] <Daskreech> Linuxephus: Fair enough. I'll be sure about it then
[05:57] <kadoban> Daskreech: thanks a lot.  248 didn't work, but i found the right one in xinput list-props <device_ID> (just in case anyone else is reading this, i'm sure you know)
[05:57] <Daskreech> kadoban: :) so it's working now?
[05:57] <kadoban> yep yep :)
[05:57] <Linuxephus> Apparently I'm doing too much wandering and pondering...much to the contrary of Linkmaster's previous advice.
[05:58] <Daskreech> kadoban: hooray :)
[06:10] <vehemoth> are the kde notifications part of plasma?
[06:10] <LINKSWORD2> OK, this is unusual. The last few times that I've upgraded to Kubuntu 11.10, I've had problems with the window-bar at the top of a window not displaying.
[06:10] <LINKSWORD2> I'm currently on Kubuntu 11.04 with KDE 4.6. I need to know if the problem I'm experiencing with Kubuntu 11.10 is fixed before I choose to upgrade or not.
[06:15] <vehemoth> the only information I can find relating to something that looks like notifications is a thing called extender. any ideas if it's part of plasma?
[06:17] <LINKSWORD2> !knotify | vehemoth
[06:18] <LINKSWORD2> KNotify is its own application, vehemoth. From what I know, it's not part of the plasma-shell interface.
[06:19] <LINKSWORD2> I could be wrong, but in studying the Linux system interface, I'm fairly sure.
[06:20] <vehemoth> LINKSWORD2: does knotify still exist, I can't find anything on it for the recent kde releases
[06:20] <LINKSWORD2> I'm checking.
[06:20] <vehemoth> though I think I've found a way to test whether notifications is part of extender
[06:21] <LINKSWORD2> OK. If you'll check that, I'll look into my research info, and we can compare results.
[06:24] <LINKSWORD2> vehemoth: From what I can tell, KNotify has been integrated into the system notifications manager, which MAY still be under the KNotify name.
[06:24] <LINKSWORD2> It no longer shows up in the applications list, however, so I'm not sure what to make of it.
[06:24] <Daskreech> vehemoth: No they are just skinned by plasma
[06:25]  * LINKSWORD2 facepalms.*
[06:25] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: It's part of the kde libraries
[06:26] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: I don't suppose you've scrolled back and found my posts?
[06:26] <Daskreech> plasma is just one way those notifications can be communicated to the user
[06:26] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: how far back?
[06:26] <vehemoth> I'll check what I was after and come back
[06:26] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: You couldn't run kwin ?
[06:27] <vehemoth> it does seem to be plasma that displays them
[06:27] <LINKSWORD2> Re-posting....
[06:27] <vehemoth> guess I'll be trying to compile the ubuntu one
[06:28] <LINKSWORD2> OK, this is unusual. The last few times that I've upgraded to Kubuntu 11.10, I've had problems with the window-bar at the top of a window not displaying.
[06:28] <LINKSWORD2> I'm currently on Kubuntu 11.04 with KDE 4.6. I need to know if the problem I'm experiencing with Kubuntu 11.10 is fixed before I choose to upgrade or not.
[06:28] <unikone> #españa
[06:28] <unikone> hi
[06:28] <unikone> hi
[06:28] <unikone> algun español
[06:28] <LINKSWORD2> !es | unikone
[06:29] <unikone> thcx
[06:29] <Daskreech> vehemoth: if You kill the system tray in plasma (which houses the notifications) you should just get a grey box
[06:29] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: RIght Kwin wouldn't run for you?
[06:29] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: open a konsole
[06:29] <LINKSWORD2> I don't even know if it's kwin.
[06:30] <Daskreech> vehemoth: if You kill the system tray in plasma (which houses the notifications) you should just get a grey box
[06:30] <LINKSWORD2> And for now, I'm still on version 11.04. I'm hoping to find out if the problem has been fixed before I upgrade.
[06:30] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: type in kquitapp kwin && sleep 15 && kwin &
[06:30] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: tell me if that's what you are seeing when you go to 11.10
[06:31] <LINKSWORD2> O_o!
[06:31] <LINKSWORD2> OK? Checking.
[06:31] <vehemoth> Daskreech: I don't quite understand but I don't need to. and those plsama extender things you can drag onto the desktop anyway
[06:31] <Daskreech> vehemoth: :-) OK
[06:32] <vehemoth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GIPKd5EiuE
[06:32] <vehemoth> demonstartion on them if you want
[06:32] <Daskreech> vehemoth: Thanks
[06:32] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: Close, but not quite. It's "there" but it becomes completely transparent, and does not show the buttons on the top window-bar.
[06:33] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: I think you may somehow be running compiz
[06:33] <LINKSWORD2> Not that I know of....
[06:33] <Daskreech> that does sound like a compiz setting. COuld be wrong though
[06:33] <Daskreech> Anyway bed time for me :)
[06:33] <LINKSWORD2> Wait a moment, please.
[06:34] <Daskreech> alright
[06:35] <LINKSWORD2> OK.... I tried that same string and typed in compiz in place of kwin.... With no results.
[06:35] <LINKSWORD2> Looks like Compiz is specific to 11.10?
[06:36] <vehemoth> kwin uses compiz as a back end doesn't it. I think that's what happens when you have desktop effects enabled
[06:36] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: no it's specific to ubuntu
[06:36] <LINKSWORD2> I've had desktop effects both enabled and disabled in 11.10, and the problem does not change.
[06:37] <Daskreech> I have no idea why it would turn up in an upgrade but the removing of buttons and being transparent is something people have been upset about with Ubuntu settings
[06:37] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: How do you know it's transparent ?
[06:38] <Daskreech> vehemoth: No it doens't kwin and compiz cannot coexist
[06:38] <Daskreech> If one starts the other must end
[06:39] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: Because I can see the background of the desktop behind the window in question. If I click to the very far-right, the window closes like I have clicked on the X button.
[06:39] <LINKSWORD2> But it does not show up. At least not visibly.
[06:39] <vehemoth> I didn't mean compiz as a full WM, compiz as a library
[06:40] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: and dragging around the area above the application moves it?
[06:40] <Daskreech> vehemoth: ah. Well still incorrect. I don't think that compiz has a library first of all
[06:41] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: I'm not sure, because it doesn't restore to a non-full size.
[06:41] <Daskreech> vehemoth: They may very well use the same OpenGL library though
[06:41] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: >_>
[06:41] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: are you just running plasma-netbook instead of plasma-desktop ?
[06:41] <LINKSWORD2> All it seems that I can do is maximize or minimize it with keyboard shortcuts I have assigned globally.
[06:42] <Daskreech> Now that sounds remarkably like a plasma-netbook setting
[06:42] <LINKSWORD2> Nope. Desktop. I've been through this roughly a half-dozen times. This time I'm hoping to find out if it's fixed or how to fix it before I upgrade.
[06:42] <Daskreech> Ah well. Sorry I've not been much help there
[06:42] <vehemoth> www.compiz.org, read the description maybe you can understand it better
[06:43] <LINKSWORD2> One thing I'm thinking of is possibly that the netbook settings could have migrated to the desktop preferences list, but that would imply a SERIOUS glitch.
[06:43] <vehemoth> though I think I'm wrong about kwin using it
[06:44] <vehemoth> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes#Why_not_Compiz.3F
[06:44] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: Quite serious.
[06:45] <LINKSWORD2> And I just don't see how that could happen.
[06:45] <LINKSWORD2> I'm going to hit the looney bin. >.<
[06:46] <LINKSWORD2> I may just have to wait until Kubuntu 12 comes out.
[06:54] <AndroidLoverInSF> kde in ubuntu 11.10 is kinda buggy. i was in virtualbox and it froze up my whole pc, then tried to burn a cd via brasero, and the burning hung up. i was liking kde otherwise. any tips?
[06:56] <Peace-> bah
[06:56] <Peace-> virtualbox?
[06:56] <Torch> AndroidLoverInSF: neither virtualbox nor brasero is kde software
[06:56] <Peace-> try to load kde in failsafe mode
[06:56] <Peace-> but i guess is a virtualbox issue
[06:57] <Peace-> not a kde issue
[06:57] <Torch> AndroidLoverInSF: the former uses a kernel module that can easily lock up your machine, the latter deals with hardware that can be buggy and bring down the machine, too
[06:57] <AndroidLoverInSF> yeah, but still, interaction with kde
[06:58] <AndroidLoverInSF> brasero sucks i know, but still
[07:20] <Linuxephus> Well, apparently I seem to have snookered my own abiltity to add channels in Quassel. That being said; anybody have any quick advice as to how to add #kubuntu-offtopic in Quassel?
[07:21] <Linuxephus> Consider this my annoyed confusion as to above mentioned.
[07:25] <jussi> Linuxephus: what do you mean by "add"?
[07:26] <jussi> Linuxephus: you just join the channel normally, then it is automatically on your join list when you restart the client. If you dont want to be in it, you just /part
[07:26] <Linuxephus> jussi: I'm trying to access #kubuntu-offtopic using Quassel. However, I'm unable to do so currently.
[07:27] <jussi> Linuxephus: and "/join #kubuntu-offtopic" doesnt work?
[07:43] <aperson> how can I get rid of the notification that nepomuk isn't running when I start kde?  I know nepomuk isn't running!
[08:30] <sorush20_> is there a media manger movie manger for kubuntu?
[08:32] <sorush20_> video clips
[09:07] <[poisonborz]> Hi all. I have Ispconfig3 with pure-ftpd, but can't hide hidden/"dotfiles" for every user. in /etc/pure-ftpd/conf I have DisplayDotFiles set 'no', and 'ProhibitDotFilesRead' with 'yes'. Still, the files get displayed...
[09:35] <naftilos76> Hi everyone, i am facing a major problem with kmail 2 in Kubuntu 11.10. The langiages installed were English and my native Greek. I uninstalled Greek and before restarting or loging out i reinstalled through the tool in system tools in Kubuntu. Next time i entered Kubuntu all of my emails were gone. Help me please. All the emails are related to my business and the last backup is not recent. Can anyone help?
[09:36] <Cradam> naftilos76: sorry, in most cases if somethings gone, its gone fol
[09:36] <Cradam> *for good
[09:36] <Cradam> naftilos76: do you have a way to access your email in your browser?
[09:37] <naftilos76> everything is erased from the email servers. isn't kmail using akonadi to store everything in db?
[09:37] <Cradam> ooh, why on earth would you erase it from the servers unless your allowance is tiny
[09:38] <naftilos76> that is not the problem now man
[09:38] <Cradam> ugh
[09:38] <Cradam> oops
[09:39] <Cradam> naftilos76: it kinda is the problem because you just removed your chance of backup
[09:39] <naftilos76> well it seems that nothing is lost
[09:39] <Cradam> what but you just said you couldnt get at it
[09:39] <naftilos76> i did "update folders and subfolders" and kmail started restoring all emails
[09:40] <Cradam> ahh, good
[09:40] <naftilos76> all that stuff are new in kmail man
[09:40] <naftilos76> there was no "update folders and subfolders" before
[09:41] <Cradam> stupid X in konversation
[09:41] <Cradam> its way too easy to press
[09:42] <naftilos76> Cradam: God, i am going to the toilet to change my underware. I've shit in my pants.
[09:42] <Cradam> baha
[09:44] <naftilos76> can you imagine that? i have got all my business in these email...
[10:48] <konto> hello
[10:48] <Cradam> hello
[10:48] <konto> How are you?
[10:49] <Cradam> bored
[10:49] <konto__> Heja!
[10:49] <konto> Where can I uninstall Linux? :)
[10:49] <konto_> :P
[10:49] <konto__> Who is cradam
[10:49] <Cradam> ohkae WTF
[10:49] <konto__> ??
[10:49] <konto__> FAP
[10:49] <Cradam> why are there 3 people with the same name
[10:49] <konto> fap
[10:49] <konto> i don't know
[10:49] <konto_> where are you from cradam ?
[10:50] <Cradam> england
[10:50] <konto__> ha
[10:50] <konto> Russia
[10:50] <konto__> \ name fapek
[10:50] <konto__> he
[10:50] <konto_> i will change my nick but i dont know what help
[10:50] <konto__> i do
[10:50] <marcusdavidus> my kubuntu rox
[10:50] <Cradam> konto_: /nick name
[10:51] <konto_> konto_:/fapper POL
[10:51] <Cradam> ...
[10:51] <name> Heja
[10:51] <roland> is there any way to specify the geometry of the window to be max vertical? kdialog --menu "message" --geometry 400x400 text1 text1 text2 text2
[10:51] <POLISH> cradam thx :D
[10:51] <name> No to tera jezdym
[10:52] <name> d
[10:52] <Cradam> name: ...
[10:52] <name> d
[10:52] <POLISH> sorry name from poland village :P
[10:52] <name> d
[10:52] <POLISH> what's up cradam in England ? :>
[10:52] <imblack> s
[10:52] <imblack> It's me
[10:53] <ikonia> ok - enough messing around now imblack/name
[10:53] <RussianPower> yep yep
[10:53] <imblack> Who are you?
[10:53] <RussianPower> I don't know.
[10:53] <RussianPower> Russia!
[10:53] <POLISH> SMOLEŃSK !!!!
[10:53] <RussianPower> :D
[10:53] <ikonia> enough
[10:53] <imblack> Nie rób siary
[10:54] <ikonia> the topic of this channel is kubuntu support discussion, please keep to that topic
[10:54] <ikonia> the language of the channel is English only.
[10:54] <RussianPower> ok
[11:00] <alexdevillx> how to start a jar file?
[11:00] <well_laid_lawn> java /path/to/.jar
[11:00] <ikonia> you use java - it's a java file
[11:01] <konto_> ale nudy
[11:02] <konto_> wiśnia, nie hakuj
[11:39] <graingert> it seems kopete permanantly activates my webcam
[11:39] <graingert> is this expected?
[11:43] <graingert> oh no it's only when I have the settings open
[12:12] <mario_> ciao
[12:13] <mario_> list
[12:17] <keda87> anyone can u help me?
[12:17] <keda87> i'hve proble with my kubuntu
[12:17] <SunTsu> keda87: nobody is able to help without knowing what your problem is
[12:18] <keda87> i'm installing kubuntu oneiric in toshiba satellite L745, but the battery indicator is not detected
[12:19] <hakim> hello
[12:19] <keda87> yep
[12:20] <caffeineshock> can anybody tell me, how to enable random mode in amarok?
[12:20] <Cradam> caffeineshock: you mean shuffle
[12:20] <caffeineshock> yes
[12:21] <hakim> i'm trying to mount a samba drive so i can work with it like it was a local drive. i actually want to create a project in netbeans from existing source without having to synchronize with the file on my computer
[12:21] <hakim> if somebody knows how to, that would be awesome
[12:22] <Cradam> caffeineshock: sorry, cant help, doesnt seem like amarok supports it
[12:23] <Cradam> caffeineshock: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=115&t=83690
[12:23] <caffeineshock> thx
[12:24] <caffeineshock> well... random sort... its not the same
[12:24] <keda87> btw how to exit from IRC channel????
[12:25] <Cradam> keda87: /part
[12:25] <keda87> sorry i'm new in kubuntu
[12:25] <keda87> just part?
[12:25] <Cradam> keda87: that has nothing to do  with kubuntu, its irc in general
[12:25] <Cradam> keda87: well either /part or /part #channel reason
[12:26] <Cradam> e.g:
[12:26] <Cradam> /part #foo i hate you guys
[12:26] <Cradam> :P
[12:26] <keda87> ohhh haha, thx :)
[12:26] <Cradam> or if its konversation you are using, just press the X
[12:27] <Cradam>  by the channel name
[12:27] <Cradam> i hate that X, i always accidentally press it
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:30] <keda87> back :)
[12:31] <spacebug-> hello
[12:32] <BluesKaj> well, I guess ppl have seem the latest broken dependencies during their recent upgrades , no doubt ...still that gtk 3 problem
[12:35] <Cradam> BluesKaj: i upgrade once a year. or once every 2 years on my VPS
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Cradam, and ?
[12:38] <Cradam> BluesKaj: as in i havent seen it
[12:39] <BluesKaj> no kidding
[12:40] <Quintasan> Cradam, BluesKaj: Are you running 4.7.2?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, yes it's default on 11.10
[12:43] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Could you try adding a NEW entry into Kickoff? I need someone to tell me if it works or it's my install that refuses to cooperate with me
[12:43] <Cradam> Quintasan: 4.6.5
[12:44] <Quintasan> Cradam: Oh, well, I need someone with 4.7.2 to test it
[12:44] <Cradam> any major differences from 6 to 7?
[12:45] <Quintasan> Cradam: bug fixes, bug fixes, more features, and bug fixes
[12:45] <Cradam> aka bug fixes :P
[12:45] <Quintasan> new features as well :P
[12:46] <Cradam> just aslong as they dont go all touchscreenifyed
[12:46] <Quintasan> http://kde.org/info/4.7.2.php
[12:46] <Cradam> when will devs learn to name versions in files with a hyphen or an underscore
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, I'm not happy with 4.7.2 , due to windows sizing probs and toolbar fonts on apps run as root being unconfigurable
[12:48] <Cradam> also when will devs learn that most people dont have touchscreens
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, what app do you suggest I add to the kicker ?
[12:49] <Cradam> like since when has gnome been able to run on an android tablet anyway
[12:49] <Cradam> or any tablet for that matter
[12:51] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: I have no idea, try adding an entry for `ls -al ~`
[12:51] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: Anything will do
[13:02] <Cradam> how do i stop links opening in rekonq?
[13:03] <Cradam> i much prefer chrome and firefox
[13:03] <BluesKaj> ok ,Quintasan I was able to add an entry into the kicker , drpobox
[13:03] <BluesKaj> er dropbox
[13:03] <Quintasan> BluesKaj: It works?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> yes , I just quit it (it runs as a daemon) and then launched it from the kicker , Quintasan
[13:05] <Quintasan> Hmm
[13:05] <BluesKaj> I have noicon setup yet tho
[13:05] <BluesKaj> no icon
[13:10] <lilian> Hello
[13:11] <SunTsu> Cradam: isn't it enough to define chrome or ff as your preferred browser?
[13:11] <Cradam> SunTsu: well chrome isnt moaning about not being default
[13:12] <Cradam> ahh fixed
[13:12] <lilian> Who else things that this add-on should come by default in Kubuntu?: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+%28Firefox+Theme%29?content=117962
[13:12] <Cradam> lilian: ehh thats firefox 3.5
[13:12] <Cradam> oops
[13:13] <Cradam> no it isnt
[13:13] <Cradam> its theme 3.5 lol
[13:13] <lilian> Cradam: I use it in 7.0.1 now
[13:13] <Cradam> lilian: you know of a chrome version?
[13:13] <lilian> Cradam: You mean of Chrome theme or Chrome browser?
[13:13] <Cradam> even though my oxygen probably doesnt look like your oxygen
[13:13] <Cradam> lilian: browser
[13:13] <lilian> Cradam: I know about Chrome? That little crashy bastard :)
[13:14] <lilian> Cradam: I know about Chrome... That little crashy bastard :)
[13:14] <Cradam> ....
[13:14] <Cradam> it doesnt crash
[13:14] <Cradam> it crashed back in the chrome classic days
[13:14] <lilian> Cradam: A lot... and not only on my laptop
[13:14] <Cradam> chrome 16 has never crashed for me
[13:15] <Cradam> lilian: what was the last version of chrome you used?
[13:15] <lilian> Cradam: And + I open a bunch of tabs in Firefox, Chrome would kill my laptop in this case... No, thx, I'll stick with what's best not what's the most shown in the ads
[13:16] <SunTsu> lilian: so you're using opera? *ducks and runs*
[13:16] <lilian> Cradam: Chrome 16.0.912.4
[13:16] <Cradam> lilian: ehh chrome is way better than firefox
[13:16] <lilian> Cradam: If you say so...
[13:16] <lilian> Cradam: Just use it for urself, and leave me alone with chrome now
[13:17] <Cradam> lilian: i know so, i have to fix font bugs caused by gecko in my web pages
[13:17] <SunTsu> Cradam: it's better regarding js speed, for everything else I like ff more
[13:17] <lilian> Cradam: Ow, ye, for a Web Designer/Developer it's better cause it doesn't keep to the standarts as Firefox does, so if u make some mistakes in Chrome is ok, I know
[13:17] <Cradam> SunTsu: the only thing i prefer in firefox is how it handles border-radius
[13:18] <Cradam> lilian: chrome follows the standards
[13:18] <lilian> Cradam: LOL
[13:18] <Cradam> lilian: btw i like firefox, i just wont have someone say its better than chrome because it just isnt
[13:19] <BluesKaj> chromium was my default unril the sync mode screwed up my facebook page and gave the account to my wife's page , so I was no longer the owner of my own page ..Firefox knows how to make the distinction between me and my wife's pages , and we are on different pcs
[13:19] <lilian> Cradam: version 3.5 wasn't, that's when all created this idea of Chrome being better, I was using chrome than too, since Firefox 6 I think Firefox is better than Chrome
[13:19] <Cradam> BluesKaj: well just make 2 different sync accounts
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Cradam, they are differnt sync accounts
[13:20] <Cradam> BluesKaj: hmm weird
[13:20] <BluesKaj> yes , very
[13:21] <lilian> Ok, I came here for other reasons than listening that Chrome is better for no reason...
[13:21] <Cradam> luckily i dont have 2 people using my comps
[13:21] <Cradam> i have m
[13:21] <Cradam> e
[13:21] <lilian> Is there any developer in here? :)
[13:21] <BluesKaj> lilian, ask away
[13:21] <lilian> [16:12:16] <lilian> Who else things that this add-on should come by default in Kubuntu?: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+KDE+%28Firefox+Theme%29?content=117962
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Cradam, I already explained , they are different pcs , I have a linuxbox and she has her W7 box
[13:22] <Cradam> lilian: you admitted that js was better in chrome
[13:23] <Cradam> so thats not no reason
[13:23] <lilian> Cradam: Only JS Engine is better... The rest of the browser... Firefox is better in any other way(except boot time, but wait for Firefox 8), I'll show u a video what it will be like since version 8
[13:24] <lilian> Cradam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WqHaSC5zkg
[13:24] <Cradam> lilian: sure, i like new browsers and want to switch to firefox, its just that i find that chrome is faster for my workflow atm
[13:24] <Cradam> yep thats fast
[13:25] <lilian> Cradam: Continue finding that and don't try to convince every guy that uses Firefox to use a Semi-Closed Source browser
[13:29] <hakim> anybody knows how i could connect a samba drive ?
[13:31] <Peace-> hakim: sudo apt-get install samba
[13:33] <hakim> thanks, but i already have it, i just don't know how to make it like a drive
[13:33] <lilian> hakim: You use KDE?
[13:33] <hakim> i do
[13:34] <lilian> hakim: And you want to connect to someone else?
[13:34] <lilian> hakim: Which uses a Windows machine I suppose
[13:34] <hakim> yes, we have a server, and i need to access it via samba
[13:34] <lilian> hakim: Open Dolphin
[13:34] <hakim> yup
[13:34] <lilian> hakim: To the left u see "Networks"
[13:34] <lilian> hakim: To the left u see "Network"
[13:34] <hakim> ok
[13:35] <lilian> and open Samba Shares
[13:35] <hakim> it's empty
[13:35] <lilian> hmm, it works with no problems in my case
[13:36] <hakim> ok, i'm a beginner. the server is a linux one. but the admin installed samba so workers (like me before) using windows could access it
[13:36] <hakim> so i don't know, maybe there is another way
[13:36] <lilian> Even if it writes "Samba Shares" do: sudo apt-get install samba -y
[13:37] <hakim> ok i'm trying
[13:37] <hakim> it says that it's up to date
[13:37] <lilian> Then, go again into Dolphin->Network->Samba Shares
[13:38] <lilian> It should show u that it searches in the bottom-right corner of Dolphin
[13:38] <lilian> There should appear something, even if u r alone in the network
[13:38] <hakim> now i see a work group, and my comp is in it but that's all. so probably the server is in another workgroup ?
[13:39] <lilian> yep, looks like the group may not be called "WORKGROUP" in ur case
[13:39] <hakim> ok thanks a lot lilian for your help :)
[13:39] <lilian> btw
[13:39] <lilian> try to using the IP
[13:40] <lilian> for example smb://192.168.1.2
[13:40] <hakim> ok, where do i type that ? i'm so used to windows and it's address bar
[13:41] <lilian> at the top of the dolphin u see "smb:" in bolt
[13:41] <lilian> just click on it
[13:41] <lilian> 192.168.1.2 was just an example, I'm not sure what IP's u have there
[13:41] <hakim> yeah ok :)
[13:42] <hakim> nothing appears
[13:42] <lilian> And you wrote the right IP?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hmm, I recommend not disabling multiarch support if you run a 64bit system, just fixed my depndency problem after updating today , by re-enabling multiarch support
[13:42] <hakim> yes
[13:43] <lilian> hakim: sec, I'll try it with my mate here
[13:43] <hakim> ok thank you
[13:46] <lilian> It works
[13:46] <lilian> He uses Windows 7 and I use Kubuntu 11.10 with KDE 4.7.2
[13:46] <lilian> in smb: wrote his IP
[13:47] <lilian> he shared with "Everyone" not "Homegroup"
[13:47] <lilian> the only problem, it asked for his Username and Password because he didn't removed this option from settings
[13:47] <hakim> ok weird, i'm probably doing something wrong.
[13:47] <hakim> i have a username and password, i'll ask my admin which workgroup the server is in
[13:48] <hakim> or i'll try to mount a ssh drive instead
[13:48] <hakim> anyway, thanks a lot for your time lilian
[13:48] <lilian> hakim: np
[13:55] <BluesKaj> hakim, in W7 on windows machines the workgroup is now called homegroup , altho the W7 shares still show up in dolphin/samba shares as workgroup.
[13:56] <hakim> yeah, unfortunately, i'm not on W7 anymore, and the server is running on linux. i don't know if i made myself clear earlier, sometimes i tend to be confusing sorry
[13:56] <hakim> so the workgroup is probably not called homegroup either
[14:00] <antoranz> hi, people
[14:00] <antoranz> since I dist-upgraded to oneiric, I can't use kmail
[14:00] <antoranz> "Failed to fetch the resource collection"
[14:00] <antoranz> does it ring a bell?
[14:02] <Linkmaster> antoranz: You'll be well suited to look at the bug reports/forums on that. Or try #kmail as well, the distro went from kmail to kmail2, so there are some differences and the like.
[14:04] <vadrao> Hi all, How can I open konsole with a keyboard command. I tried looking in Global keyboard shortcuts. But I could not find it.
[14:04] <SunTsu> vadrao: if there is no shortcut - define one
[14:04] <hakim> vadrao: i actually use launchy, but i don't know if you want to install another software
[14:04] <BluesKaj> hakim, no I understtod that you are on kubuntu and I thought you were trying to access shares ona W7 machine ., hence my explanation
[14:05] <vadrao> SunTsu: How to go about that. Using Global keyboard shortcuts ?
[14:05] <hakim> ok BluesKaj thanks :)
[14:05] <Trashi> hi. i try to sync my iphone with the help of amarok, but it shows allways "zero tracks". by default on my system exists the packages like libimobiledevice2 and libmtp9 ... if i understand the descriptions right, it should work. does anybody have any experience to sync iphone/pod from kubuntu 11.10?
[14:06] <vadrao> hakim: I would like to have simple keyboard shortcut through which I could do that
[14:07] <hakim> ok, i see. i like launchy because it allows you to launch any app just by typing the first letter its name. so i find it useful, because there is no equivalent natively in windows and i'm used to it now. but maybe kubuntu lets you define all your shortcuts ^^
[14:11] <SunTsu> hakim: I can't tell you how exactly, because I don't run kde at the moment. I just know that you can create shortcuts that run commands, did that a lot
[14:12] <vadrao> SunTsu: Thanks..
[14:12]  * BluesKaj just adds his fav apps into the panel , one mouse click does the trick
[14:13] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: I like to e.g. run my screensaver in lock mode with just a single shortcut
[14:14] <hakim> ok :) SunTsu
[14:14] <SunTsu> hakim: yeah, sorry, meant vadrao
[14:14] <hakim> ^^
[14:14] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, isn't it great , all these little tips that make life on linux so easy :)
[14:16] <hakim> well i have another problem, i downloaded mysql workbench, tried to install it, but it stopped on the dependicies step and now i can't use it or re-install it, what do i do ?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> hakim, 64 bit ?
[14:23] <hakim> yup
[14:23] <BluesKaj> 11.10?
[14:23] <hakim> also :)
[14:23] <BluesKaj> got multiarch support installed , it should by default , but chack to make sure.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> err check
[14:25] <hakim> sorry to know such a few, but how do i check ?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> open muon , and type in multiarch, hakim
[14:26] <hakim> BluesKaj: ok
[14:27] <hakim> BluesKaj: i only have multiarch-support(amd64) and ia32-libs-multiarch (i368) installed
[14:27] <hakim> should i install multiarch-support i386 ,
[14:27] <hakim> ?
[14:29] <BluesKaj> ok, then that's not the problem , hakim
[14:29] <hakim> ok BluesKaj
[14:29] <BluesKaj> no hakim what you have is sufficient
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ok hakim open a terminal , and run , sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:33] <hakim> BluesKaj: it did nothing
[14:33] <BluesKaj> ok that's good
[14:33] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[14:34] <xdunlapx> hi phoenix_firebrd
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> xdunlapx: hi
[14:35] <xdunlapx> how are you today?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> hakim, in the terminal run , sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:35] <phoenix_firebrd> xdunlapx: fine, i hope the same from you
[14:35] <xdunlapx> phoenix_firebrd: yes I'm fine :)
[14:36] <phoenix_firebrd> xdunlapx: :)
[14:38] <hakim> BluesKaj: ok done :)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> any dependency errors , hakim ?
[14:39] <hakim> BluesKaj: 0 update,  0 installed, 0 removed and 0 not updated (sorry my kubuntu is in french, so i'm translating)
[14:40] <BluesKaj> hakim, , np that's fine
[14:40] <hakim> ok
[14:44] <BluesKaj> hakim, odd I can't find mysql workbench in the software sources
[14:45] <hakim> i took it on the mysql website : http://www.mysql.fr/downloads/mirror.php?id=403986#mirrors
[14:45] <hakim> they say : linux 11.04, but it should work with 11.10 no ?
[14:46] <hakim> BluesKaj: i mean it's a minor version
[14:47] <yofel> hakim: kubuntu versions represent the date (2011.october), not any other usefuly version scheme.
[14:48] <yofel> so it can work, but no guarantee
[14:48] <hakim> yofel: oh ok i see
[14:48] <yofel> *useful
[14:48] <hakim> well that's not convenient at all, i need it lol, and i don't want to go back on windows
[14:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: do you know when the xbmc will be available in ppa?
[14:49] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: what's xbmc?
[14:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: a media center
[14:50] <yofel> obviously not, sry ^^
[14:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: in this team-xbmc/ppa
[14:51] <yofel> no idea
[14:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is there any media center app that is in repos
[14:53] <yofel> there was this thing called mythtv, but I never used it
[14:54] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, xbmc has a build that you might be intersted in , http://sshcs.com/xbmc/
[14:56] <OerHeks> mythTV boxee canola
[14:57] <Wizard> hi
[14:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: The site gives less details of the compilation
[14:58] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I tried xbmc but it's too clunky for my taste ...too many menus tries too jard to look and work like Windows Media Center ..VLC works for me
[14:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: thats right, but thats the only app that can play a 1080hd movie properly
[14:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: vlc takes 40% of my cpu
[15:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: mplayer with vdpau plays video with audio sync problem
[15:01] <BluesKaj> VLC plays 1080 on my tv
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: it can but it consumes 40% of my cpu
[15:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: mplayer with vdpau and xbmc takes jut 5%
[15:02] <phoenix_firebrd> *just
[15:02] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, interesting , never really checked that
[15:03] <BluesKaj> i won't install xbmc tho , still too clunky and unstable
[15:03] <Wizard> what are you talking about?
[15:04] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: if vlc can play 1080hd video with less cpu usage, then we wont need any other player :)
[15:06] <Wizard> hehe, I have strange problem with rekonq, it keeps showing "save as" dialog box when some flash file is embedded in website
[15:06] <phoenix_firebrd> OerHeks: i cant find a ppa for boxee, while canola is for mobile i guess
[15:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: spamware?
[15:07] <Wizard> no, just ordinary flash movies probably
[15:07] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: does that happen with youtube?
[15:07] <Wizard> but rekonq wants to save them instead of ignoring them
[15:08] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: try using the manual load of plugins option
[15:08] <Wizard> plugins?
[15:09] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: then there is flash ad, it will be replaced by a button
[15:09] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: what is your rekonq version?
[15:09] <Wizard> phoenix_firebrd: 0.7.90
[15:10] <Wizard> but I'm updating kubuntu now, it may change :)
[15:10] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: to 11.10?
[15:10] <Wizard> hmm, no, I installed 11.10 yesterday, but I'm doing all updates today
[15:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: backports enabled?
[15:11] <Wizard> nope, also no ppas
[15:11] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: then the current version is 0.7.90
[15:12] <yofel> the updates ppa has 0.8.0
[15:12] <Wizard> I hate using ppas
[15:12] <kamilnadeem> Hi
[15:12] <Wizard> their out of maintenance schedule (if ubuntu has something like this at all)
[15:13] <Wizard> they are*
[15:13] <Wizard> hi kamilnadeem
[15:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is kde 4.7.2 pushed to normal channel?
[15:15] <yofel> yes, should be already in I think
[15:16] <yofel> rekonq 0.8 will follow, but that'll take at least a week
[15:16] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: had some some updates that that said as version 4.7.2, but when i check the kde version it says kde 4.7.1, may it is not yet complete
[15:17] <Wizard> phoenix_firebrd: no, save .svf dialog doesn't pop up on youtube
[15:18] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: not sure, maybe you need to login again, I'm on 4.7.2 from PPA
[15:18] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: then it should be the site trying to download a malware into your system
[15:19] <Wizard> I don't think so, this swf is just an advertisment :)
[15:19] <Wizard> maybe it's embedded wrongly
[15:19] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i restarted half hour back, no problem, i will check it later
[15:20] <Wizard> besides, I don't have flashplugin installed
[15:20] <yofel> k
[15:20] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: are you busy
[15:21] <yofel> not really
[15:22] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: if you havent installed flashplugin, then how come the swf is displayed
[15:22] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: can you come to the offtopic channel
[15:23] <Wizard> phoenix_firebrd: did you read my messages? I told "save as" window pops up
[15:24] <avihay__> I just lost 4GB, after upgreading. I blame nepomuk!
[15:25] <phoenix_firebrd> Wizard: so if flashplugin is not installed, you are not able to use youtube right?
[15:26] <CoJaBo> How do I stop the omniirc upgrade prompt from showing up every five minutes? egads, this is worse than Windows Update, wtf?
[15:26] <kamilnadeem> I accidentally deleted the bottom pannel , but I got that back,. The prob is the size of the kick off launcher
[15:26] <kamilnadeem> Hi Wizard
[15:26] <Wizard> phoenix_firebrd: you asekd me if it pops up on youtube so I checked and informed you
[15:26] <kamilnadeem> hi phoenix_firebrd
[15:26] <kamilnadeem> how to resize kick off?
[15:27] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: get in offtopic, I'm talking of our crazy adventures
[15:28] <Wizard> ok, enough about rekonq, it appears on few websites only, probably their fault..
[15:28] <Wizard> second question is: who should I contact to ask/complain about translations?
[15:29] <Wizard> it's getting really serious, relese from release translations to my language are worse and worse
[15:29] <kamilnadeem> is there a way to resize the kick off launcher, it is now opening in more than 1/4th of my screen?
[15:30] <kamilnadeem> Got It
[15:30] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: hi
[15:30] <Wizard> should I report every spotted language mistake in launchpad?
[15:31] <Pici> Wizard: Theres https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations
[15:31] <Pici> Wizard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Issues may be of help specifically.
[15:31] <kamilnadeem> phoenix_firebrd that day when we tried to fix that auto mute on startup prob , actually it didnot get fixed that time.
[15:31] <Wizard> thanks Pici
[15:32] <kamilnadeem> But I returned and some other person helped fix it finally
[15:32] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: is it still there?
[15:32] <kamilnadeem> No
[15:32] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: how did you fix it?
[15:32] <kamilnadeem> wait telling?
[15:32] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: ok
[15:34] <kamilnadeem> phoenix_firebrd Here http://pastebin.com/sdm2xvTg
[15:36] <Wizard> Pici: this doesn't state how translations are merged with upstream
[15:38] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: it seems you didn't have permission to modify the asound.state
[15:38] <Pici> Wizard: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+faq/608
[15:39] <kamilnadeem> yes but the Bluekaj guy said its OK
[15:40] <kamilnadeem> phoenix_firebrd  is there something wrong with It?
[15:40] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: no, its a correct solution
[15:40] <kamilnadeem> Good
[15:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what does this 'alsactl store' actually do?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, it stores your last settings in alsamixer when you run the command ..it doesn't always stick tho , after upgrades and such
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: no, what happens internally?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, creates a small file on the /home dir and the setting is suppose hold in alsa.conf
[15:47] <BluesKaj> supposed to hold
[15:51] <phoenix_firebrd> bagsta: he he
[15:51] <phoenix_firebrd> bagsta: oops , sorry
[15:54] <kamilnadeem> Does any one here uses Ubuntu One on Kubuntu and If yes how does it works?
[15:55] <kamilnadeem> I mean in terms of not crashing(I use Ubuntu one so I do know how it works ;) )
[15:57] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: for me ubuntuone doesnt start in kubuntu-desktop
[15:58] <kamilnadeem> yeah I have been hearing that it is not in pristine working condition as on Ubuntu , lets hope 12.04 sorts this
[16:01] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: harald was working on a kde version, but i dont know what happened to it
[16:01] <kamilnadeem> hmmm. DId you guys checked out the latets distrowatch weekely
[16:01] <kamilnadeem> Kubuntu scores over ubuntu :)
[16:02] <phoenix_firebrd> kamilnadeem: oh really?
[16:02] <kamilnadeem> yes go check it out
[16:02] <kamilnadeem> the reason is the same why I maid Kubuntu my main distro
[16:03] <kamilnadeem> made*
[16:03] <kamilnadeem> overall polish and it works :)
[16:08] <jmichaelx> not sure i have ever heard kubuntu being acclaimed for high polish before...
[16:12] <kamilnadeem> jmichaelx Kubuntu is right now really one of the good kde distro out there
[16:12]  * BluesKaj tries to get VLC to use more GPU on nvidia graphics card with vdpau... not much info on the subject
[16:12] <kamilnadeem> I have tried PClinuxos, Mandriva , Chakra but this is the one that made most sense to me
[16:13] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i have all the info
[16:13] <Belial`> kubuntu seems pretty kde stock to me.
[16:13] <Belial`> which is fine.
[16:14] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: i have not done extensive testing, but on my PC at work, vdpau seems to be working better with vlc than with mplayer. performance with mplayer has really regressed (at least it appears so on that machine)
[16:14] <phoenix_firebrd> When we are talking about stability we should opt for LTS release
[16:15] <jmichaelx> yea, i have been using kubuntu as my main OS for going on 6 years. obviously, i am still using it, but it isn't because i have ever thought it to be polished
[16:16] <kamilnadeem> brb
[16:17]  * jmichaelx did flee to xfce during the kde4.0-4.2 era
[16:17] <BluesKaj> mplayer no longer works well on this setup ,  jmichaelx, no fullscreen , poor audio config etc ..it'sok for desktop monitors , but not for a media server pc
[16:18] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: have you installed libvdpau?
[16:19] <jmichaelx> yea... i have not tested the two machines yet that i use the most for multimedia... if they turn out to be this bad, i either switching back to natty, or ditching k/ubuntu
[16:19] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: that was a starting of plasma
[16:19]  * Daskreech was running KDE 4.0 alpha 2 as his "desktop"
[16:19] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes libvdpau1
[16:19]  * jmichaelx shreeks..........
[16:20] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what does this 'mplayer -vo vdpau <file>' tell you
[16:23] <jmichaelx> with each batch of updates, i keep hoping for these task manager bugs to go away....
[16:23] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: i think some one posted a working patch
[16:23] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, what doy yowant to know , there's alot of info
[16:24] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: does it say it is successfully using the vdpau as output?
[16:25] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: they say that the actual bug is not in the taskmanager widget
[16:25] <BluesKaj> yup ,it plays at a smaller size than my screen , but without audio
[16:25] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, libavformat file format detected
[16:26] <jmichaelx> phoenix_firebrd: so i understand... X is being blamed (which i do not doubt)
[16:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: have you tried smplayer?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yeah , the audio doesn't pas the digital signal that I need here
[16:28] <mr-rich> 179 updates? are you friggen kidding me?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> any versions of mpalyer are the same, they play the video fine , but no audio and I don't feel like trying to buld a string of commands just so i can play movies from the cli , seems rather silly to me.
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: thats why we have smplayer
[16:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: try playing with the audio settings
[16:29] <yofel> mr-rich: 4.7.2 in oneiric-updates
[16:29] <BluesKaj> smplayer doesn't work for my setup
[16:30] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, it can't fill my screen
[16:30] <BluesKaj> and i don't have a huge tv , it's only a 42" panasonic
[16:31] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: do you use xbmc? just wondering how it is working for you
[16:31] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: vlc works fine?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, I tried xbmc , too many menus too clunky ,it played ok but not my kind of player
[16:33] <BluesKaj> vlc works fine phoenix_firebrd , but likr you say it eats cpu
[16:34] <BluesKaj> that's why I'm researching the GPU in the mix approach , apparently there are settings to force vlc to use the GPU more if it's capable
[16:34] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: we cant do anything about vlc, its because of how it renders
[16:34] <jmichaelx> phoenix_firebrd: on my PC at work, mplayer cannot play much of anything well since upgrading to oneiric. high definition video will almost lock the machine up... 2.4GHz amd dual-core with 4GB RAM... but vlc can play HD, though it struggles
[16:35] <BluesKaj> vdpau
[16:35] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, that's your graphics card struggling to keep up
[16:36] <phoenix_firebrd> jmichaelx: what is the graphics card you are using?
[16:36] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: well, GPU and CPU both
[16:36] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: what is the gpu?
[16:37] <jmichaelx> phoenix_firebrd: it is an nvidia grforce 210
[16:37] <BluesKaj> nvidia geforce 8400gs
[16:37] <jmichaelx> geforce*
[16:38] <phoenix_firebrd> n 11.10 mplayer works well for me, i am using geforce 9400gt, mplayer version =SVN-r33713-4.6.1
[16:39] <BluesKaj> the vdpau driver (it;s actaully a plugin) is supposed to direct the player to use the gpu on the graphics card if it's capable and share the load with the cpu on the mobo
[16:39] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: previously it was working?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, ??
[16:40] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: vlc does some work before sending it to the gpu , so thats the reason for the high cpu usage
[16:41] <BluesKaj> yeah , I saw that in a blog about vlc and vdpau
[16:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: did the hd videos play fine in any of the previous versions of kubuntu?
[16:41] <shane2peru> ok, I think I found out why I quit using Kopete, anyone know how to get Kopete to work with Spanish characters?  áíáóú
[16:42] <phoenix_firebrd> going for dinner, bbl
[16:43] <artur_> guys who can recommend some kick-ass KDE apps?
[16:44] <dalston> artur_: dolphin
[16:44] <artur_> been on KDE for 2 weeks after dumping Unity/Gnome-Shell, and llloving it!!!!
[16:44] <dalston> artur_: kontact was awesome, and will be awesome again when akonadi stops hogging memory
[16:44] <artur_> OK, thanks for Dolphin, but what I meant, some obscure (no-so-obvious) apps
[16:45] <dalston> artur_:  yakuake
[16:45] <dalston> artur_: drop-down terminal from the top of the screen when a shortcut key is hit
[16:45] <artur_> found converseen, added ppa, but some strange reason can't find it via aptitude search ??? what gives?1
[16:46] <artur_> Yakuake absolutely AWESOME!
[16:46] <artur_> so inobtrusive yet efficient - love it
[16:47] <artur_> Kontact or Thunderbird?
[16:47] <artur_> I've always kind of liked Thunderbird, but Kontact seems like a more comprehensive/KDE-integrated app. UI-wise, a bit of a departure from tried-and-trusted Thunderbird
[16:48] <jmichaelx> i wonder how usable kmail/kontact even are right now in oneiric...
[16:49] <yofel> the most broken thing is the migrator. Once you've got the setup done somehow it's fairly usable
[16:50] <Daskreech> artur_: umm. what do you want the apps to do?
[16:50] <jmichaelx> good to hear, although i won't be using it
[16:50] <Daskreech> artur_: Marble!
[16:50] <jmichaelx> i have been thinking about migrating to kmail, but will probably wait until the nepomuk issues are ironed out
[16:50] <BluesKaj> videos play fine on vlc , phoenix_firebrd , even pn smplayer noe except smplayer doesn't pass the Dolby Digital/spdif signal in 5.1 . only 2 channel pcm ...VLC does everything I want but with high CPU usage , which i can put up with
[16:51] <BluesKaj> noe=now
[16:51] <BluesKaj> ok...BBL ..stuff to do
[16:52] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: I think you mean akonadi
[16:52] <yofel> Daskreech: both
[16:52] <Daskreech> yofel: what's the nepomuk issues?
[16:52] <artur_> Daskreech: nothing, I'm just enjoying my time with KDE! Trying different apps, just to see what will awe me :)
[16:53] <yofel> Daskreech: not pure nepomuk, but akonadi's nepomuk integration is one of the more buggier parts
[16:53] <artur_> Marble... hmm sounds familiar. Can almost bet you I've tried it before, but will see again..
[16:53] <artur_> thanks!
[16:54] <yofel> artur_: if you don't mind pulling in some things you won't need, feel free to pull kde-full. Which will install the kde stuff that isn't shipped by default in kubuntu.
[16:55] <artur_> yofel: Oh, thanks. I installed a KDE DVD (3.4 Gb worth of stuff) from a USB stick but did not bother to find out how to add a USB to repositories
[16:55] <artur_> Which, btw, how can I add a USB to sources?
[16:57] <Peace-> artur_: mm i guess add media?
[17:00] <artur_> Peace: sorry, meaning...?
[17:00] <artur_> media = meaning.. what?
[17:00] <artur_> Peace: do you mean medibuntu?
[17:01] <kamilnadeem> How to get better font rendering in browsers(Firefox/Chromium) on Kubunt?
[17:01] <kamilnadeem> kubuntu*
[17:02] <Peace-> kamilnadeem: systemsettings application apparance
[17:02] <Peace-> kamilnadeem: on fonts you can customizing the antiasing
[17:02] <yofel> artur_: edit your software sources, other software -> add cdrom
[17:02] <yofel> I think
[17:03] <Peace-> yofel: mm that doens't work
[17:03] <Peace-> fior the usb stick
[17:03] <yofel> hm
[17:03] <yofel> then he'll need to add a file:// URL to apt that points to the packages
[17:03] <Peace-> http://askubuntu.com/questions/3576/how-to-make-usb-drive-as-local-repository
[17:04] <Peace-> artur_:
[17:05] <kamilnadeem> Peace: It was set to system settings , I senabled it still no progress ?
[17:05] <kamilnadeem> What settings are on your system?
[17:06] <Peace-> first you need to understan what kind of monitor yoi have
[17:06] <Peace-> not every monitor has the same settings
[17:06] <Peace-> kamilnadeem: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/24/plasma-desktope11846.jpg
[17:06] <kamilnadeem> I have a 15"CRT .
[17:07] <Peace-> for example that is mine on lcd monitor
[17:07] <PasNox> Hi
[17:07] <PasNox> i'm looking for kcmsambaconf
[17:07] <PasNox> but it seem it diseappear from kubuntu / kde ?
[17:07] <PasNox> i'm running kubuntu oneiric 64bits editions.
[17:07] <PasNox> any hint ?
[17:07] <Peace-> PasNox: on the new kde there is not it anymore
[17:08] <Daskreech> Peace-:  I like the askubuntu.com/questions url :)
[17:08] <Daskreech> It's pretty human
[17:08] <artur_> Peace: thanks a lot for the link, and sorry for being a lazy pig :)
[17:08] <PasNox> i'm trying to make samba share working between my mac and my linux box, but i can't see the mac, and the mac see the linux box but it reject guess user and even when i try to use my linux credentials.
[17:08] <PasNox> any hint please?
[17:08] <Peace-> artur_: i will not paste what you need to read on that article
[17:09] <Peace-> PasNox:  dolphin
[17:09] <PasNox> and i correctly ( i think ) shared the folder from dolphin ( the mac see it, but i can't enter in )
[17:09] <PasNox> Peace-: dolphin does not show the mac :/
[17:09] <PasNox> and the mac is rejected from linux :/
[17:10] <Peace-> PasNox: are you in the same workgroup?
[17:10] <KingSphinx> Anyone know how to get the Oxygen style working with Skype? I've tried setting it as "Desktop settings", but it still looks like Plastik from KDE3.
[17:10] <PasNox> Peace-: i think yes, i did not change anythin so i think it use the generic 'workgroup' group
[17:10] <Peace-> PasNox: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/kubuntu-904-windows-share-with-samba/
[17:10] <kamilnadeem> Peace tried all the settings it doesn't seem to be working , may you please tell me your chromium/chrome fonts settings
[17:11] <Peace-> kamilnadeem: roboto
[17:11] <PasNox> Peace-: even from dolphin when i try to browse the shared folder of my own box, it reject me ( and ask for a password / login ) event if i checked the accept guess users
[17:11] <Peace-> kamilnadeem:  google roboto fonts ubuntu
[17:11] <PasNox> Peace-: i will read it, but i doubt it will help :)
[17:12] <Peace-> PasNox: right click on the folder
[17:12] <PasNox> maybe a simple computer restart should help xD
[17:12] <PasNox> Peace-: from sambo protocol in dolphin or the local folder ?
[17:12] <PasNox> samba*
[17:12] <Peace-> PasNox: the folder you want share
[17:12] <PasNox> k
[17:12] <PasNox> and ?
[17:13] <Peace-> you can see this ? wait i am uploading
[17:13] <Peace-> PasNox: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/24/plasma-desktopB11846.jpg
[17:13] <PasNox> yes i can
[17:13] <kamilnadeem> Peace medium or small ?
[17:13] <PasNox> and i already set full control for me and everybody
[17:13] <PasNox> restarted smb service
[17:13] <PasNox> etc
[17:13] <PasNox> it does not help.
[17:13] <Peace-> kamilnadeem: i use full fonts 11
[17:13] <FloodBotK1> PasNox: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:14] <PasNox> FloodBotK1: flood me ? :/
[17:14] <Peace-> PasNox: i guess yu are not in the same workgroup
[17:14] <PasNox> Peace-: maybe something in the folder right itself should be check but it seem ok for me
[17:14] <PasNox> according to dolphin, the linux box is in workgroup
[17:15] <PasNox> and mac see me
[17:15] <Peace-> PasNox: get a new folder
[17:15] <Peace-> PasNox: right click
[17:15] <Peace-> share ...
[17:15] <Peace-> full controll
[17:15] <Peace-> open dolphin and check if you can see your folder with linux
[17:16] <PasNox> i can, but once i try to enter in it, it request credentials :/
[17:16] <Peace-> mmm
[17:16] <Peace-> there is something of worg
[17:16] <Peace-> i can go into without it...
[17:16] <PasNox> oh
[17:16] <PasNox> i changed
[17:17] <kamilnadeem> Peace It is not working , well thanks for helping
[17:17] <PasNox> checked guess allowed
[17:17] <Peace-> sudo samba restart
[17:17] <PasNox> and set full control for me and everybody
[17:17] <kamilnadeem> Will be taking your leave Now
[17:17] <PasNox> and now i can enter the new folder :/
[17:17] <PasNox> but not the one i want to share xD
[17:17] <Peace-> kamilnadeem: maybe you need to login and logout
[17:17] <Peace-> i am not sure about that kamilnadeem
[17:17] <kamilnadeem> Will try
[17:17]  * Peace- doens't understand well the pixel problem btw
[17:17] <kamilnadeem> Peace Be WIth You ALL
[17:18] <Peace-> PasNox: check you permission then...
[17:18] <PasNox> ok now from linux it's ok
[17:18] <PasNox> i was changing the folder group to sambashare but it seem i should let my own group
[17:18] <PasNox> xD
[17:19] <PasNox> thank u
[17:19] <PasNox> let try from mac now
[17:19] <phoenix_firebrd> i am back
[17:20] <salo> hey all, i recently built a ssd into my laptop and now my pc freezes ocassionally, does sb know where this could come from?
[17:20] <KingSphinx> Does anyone know how to get Skype to cooperate with the default desktop theme?
[17:20] <Peace-> salo: go in the menu
[17:20] <Peace-> salo: search for log
[17:21] <Peace-> salo: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/24/plasma-desktopK11846.jpg
[17:21] <salo> Peace-: yep opened it
[17:21] <Peace-> salo: search for something about your problem
[17:22] <PasNox> Peace-: works fine now :) thank u - stupid sambashare group that make me erroneous :)
[17:22]  * PasNox busy on the mac
[17:24] <Peace-> i was down
[17:25] <Peace-> so i didn't read
[17:25] <salo_> Peace-: sorry just happened again
[17:25] <salo_> Peace-: it froze..
[17:25] <Peace-> salo_: now ... open the log ....
[17:26] <Peace-> salo_: the menu... search for log...
[17:26] <salo_> Peace-: yeah did it
[17:26] <Peace-> and look...
[17:26] <salo_> Peace-: kernel should say something shouldn`t it?
[17:27] <Peace-> yes
[17:27] <Peace-> salo_: http://blip.tv/PeaceForlinux/postare-uno-screenshot-velocemente-con-kde4-4894119
[17:27] <Peace-> salo_: paste your screen about the log
[17:30] <salo_> Peace-: do you want the log itsself or a screenshot of it?
[17:31] <Peace-> the screenshot or the log it's not a problem
[17:31] <shane2peru> anyone know what the java runtime package is called?
[17:31] <Peace-> one of them
[17:31] <Peace-> !java
[17:31] <shane2peru> thanks Peace-
[17:31] <shane2peru> I forgot about the bot
[17:32] <shane2peru> hmm, doesn't seem to be the case anymore
[17:32] <shane2peru> ok, oh well, bbl
[17:32] <simion314> in 11.190 i installed sun java from a ppa
[17:32] <salo_> Peace-: ok just a minute, that widget does not work
[17:34] <The_Jag> Hi can someone point me to the list of eclipse repositories? I installed eclipse from muon but the repo list is empty
[17:34] <yofel> openjdk-6 works just fine here on 11.10
[17:38] <Peace-> salo_: ?
[17:38] <salo_> Peace-: yeah this log seems to be too big for this pastebins..
[17:39] <salo_> Peace-:  here finally: http://paste.kde.org/137245/
[17:40] <simion314> yofel: InteliJ requiers Sun JRE to run properly
[17:40] <yofel> ah, well, sun-java6 is in !partner
[17:41] <genii-around> yofel: Not anymore, apparently
[17:42] <yofel> oh, true
[17:42] <yofel> guess they removed it thanks to oracle changing the license
[17:42] <simion314> just google and you find how to install jre6 from sun or even java7 from oracle
[17:43] <simion314> i do not remember esxactly how i install it but i used google
[17:43] <yofel> I still have the 6u26 package in one of my PPA's, and what I need works fine with openjdk
[17:43] <Peace-> salo_: you said it's a ssd ? that has caused your prolbem?
[17:43] <Peace-> that means the solid state disk ?
[17:43] <salo_> Peace-: yes
[17:44] <salo_> Peace-: i think so at leasz
[17:44] <salo_> Peace-: i installed the ssd an a fresh version of kubuntu
[17:44] <salo_> Peace-: before that it did not freeze
[17:48] <Peace-> i lag too much
[17:48] <Peace-> i am sorry but i can't read so much
[17:49] <Peace--> salo_: have you read my question ?
[17:49] <salo_> Peace--: which one?
[17:50] <Peace--> salo_: i mean ssd you mean solid state disk ?
[17:50] <salo_> Peace--: yes
[17:51] <Peace--> salo_: pci ?
[17:51] <salo_> salo_: sata3 on a sata2 bus
[17:51] <Peace--> xD konversation keeps to log me out
[17:51] <Peace--> so i switced to webirc
[17:51] <Peace--> switched
[17:51] <salo_> ;)
[17:52] <Peace--> salo_: can you list it on lspci ?
[17:52] <salo_> Peace--: i`ll try mom
[17:52] <Peace--> salo_: i mean you need some stirng to identify in the log something related  to your disk
[17:52] <Peace--> string
[17:54] <salo_> Peace--: http://paste.kde.org/137257/
[17:54] <Peace-> LOl
[17:54] <salo_> Peace--: thats what lspci says
[17:54] <shane2peru> ok, back, and wondering about java
[17:54] <shane2peru> simion314: you mentioned a ppa??
[17:54] <salo_> Peace--: cannot find sth related to the disk
[17:55] <Peace--> salo_: Do you know the who has made that stuff?
[17:55] <Peace--> -the
[17:55] <Peace-> Peace--: _P
[17:55] <Peace--> xD
[17:56] <Peace-> omg this konvesation has a lots' of lag...
[17:56] <shane2peru> is openjdk the same as sun java?
[17:56] <shane2peru> I'm assuming it is the open version of java
[17:56] <genii-around> SSD often freeze up as a purely hardware issue as well.
[17:57] <avihay__> PULSE AUDIO!!! grrrrrrrrrr
[17:57] <salo_> Peace--: 	Corsair Force3 240GB SSD  that`s the one i ordered
[17:59] <genii-around> salo_: Perhaps check if your drive is one of the defective ones ... http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=95688
[17:59] <Peace--> salo_: mmm i have googled
[17:59] <simion314> shane2peru: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-jre-on-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric.html  there is mentioned the ppa
[18:00] <salo_> genii-around: phew to find the serial i have to open the laptop i think ;/
[18:00] <salo_> genii-around: or is there a way to read it out of the system
[18:00] <Peace--> salo_: i see a problem of freeze on that stuff
[18:00] <Peace--> salo_: so you are not alone
[18:01] <shane2peru> simion314: thanks!  I found it in this link:  http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118986.msg276635#msg276635
[18:01] <salo_> Peace--: but shouldnt the system stay responsive? I mean ssd has nothing to do with the os where the os lies or am i wrong?
[18:01] <shane2peru> I'm going to try the openjdk to see if that works for me.
[18:02] <genii-around> salo_: Probably only on the sticker and not anywhere in it's firmware, unfortunately
[18:02] <salo_> genii-around: damn, than i need tools..
[18:03] <shane2peru> !es
[18:03] <salo_> genii-around: but your link states that: NOTE: CSSD-F60GB3-BK, CSSD-F240GB3-BK, and Force GT are NOT affected by this issue
[18:04] <salo_> genii-around: and i do have a 240gb version
[18:04] <Peace--> i have read that sb has upgraded the firmware
[18:04] <Peace--> but dunno
[18:04] <Peace--> it's a strange problem  i am not used to resolve taht kind of problem
[18:05] <salo_> Peace--: i find it strange that the kernel seems to say nothing about it
[18:06] <genii-around> salo_: Ah, missed that, just caught the Corsair part ... well, that at least is good then.
[18:06] <genii-around> salo_: When you put the ssd in, did you just copy over your old stuff onto it or make a clean install to it?
[18:06] <salo_> genii-around: i did make a clean install
[18:07] <salo_> genii-around: here is uname -a output: NOTE: CSSD-F60GB3-BK, CSSD-F240GB3-BK, and Force GT are NOT affected by this issue
[18:07] <salo_> genii-around: here is uname -a output: Linux salo-mbpro 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:07] <Peace--> i guess it's a problem of ssd \ firmware
[18:09] <genii-around> Peace--: There are some issues with JMicron controllers, other issues when drives are mostly full and have to keep shuffling blocks around all the time, also if you use some disk otimisation tools it can actually slow SSD down and not speed them u
[18:10] <salo_> genii-around: but that seems not to be the case, only 5gb are used rigth now :(
[18:10] <Peace--> who is the one that has 240 of porns ?
[18:10] <Peace--> xD
[18:10] <Peace--> ok i am joking sorry for that
[18:10] <salo_> :D
[18:11] <Peace--> :D
[18:11] <artur_> Hi all again
[18:11] <artur_> Anybody knows if Amarok has the "Play random" option?
[18:11]  * Peace-- actually that joke was for genii-around 
[18:12] <salo_> genii-around: Peace-- actually it could be that that is not an issue coming from the ssd but with some other parts of this strange macbook pro..
[18:12]  * genii-around sips his coffee and glares at Peace--
[18:14] <Peace--> salo_: i have no ideas
[18:15] <salo_> Peace--: ok.. thanks for your help anyway
[18:15] <genii-around> salo_: If you could please pastebin results of: sudo lshw -businfo
[18:17] <salo_> genii-around: http://paste.kde.org/137275/
[18:18] <Peace--> salo_: btw it seems you paste really fast now :D
[18:18] <salo_> Peace--: yeah i found i suitable pastebin :D
[18:23] <shane2peru> !kde
[18:23] <Peace--> salo_: http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96401&page=2
[18:23] <Peace--> salo_: can you set something on the bios?
[18:24] <salo_> Peace--: i would like to do some settins in the bios
[18:24] <salo_> Peace--: but i cannot go there somehow..
[18:24] <Peace--> salo_: try to read that page if i didn't read bad it seems someone has fixed
[18:25] <salo_> Peace--: ok mom
[18:25] <Peace--> LOL
[18:25] <Peace--> no problem my kid
[18:25] <Peace--> :D
[18:26] <salo_> Peace--: thats mac stuff... aahhh i like the hardware but not the restrictveness ;)
[18:27] <Peace--> salo_: i have to go :) i am italian so now it's time to exit
[18:27] <Peace--> have luck !
[18:28] <salo_> Peace--: ok have fun, thanks!
[18:33] <genii-around> salo_: Apologies on lag, work required me. Your hardware seems OK, although i have before seen issues with that SATA controller (  MCP79 )
[18:35] <genii-around> salo_: Does: dmesg | tail     show anything about the drive right after a freeze?
[18:37] <salo_> genii-around: no nothing obvious at least
[18:37] <salo_> genii-around: i did paste the syslog before
[18:38] <salo_> genii-around: have you seen it?
[18:39] <genii-around> salo_: I don't the link to it in my scrollback
[18:40] <salo_> genii-around:  http://paste.kde.org/137245/
[18:46] <genii-around> salo_: It looks like trying to use NCQ, perhaps disabling this with libata.force=noncq as boot option might help
[18:49] <jbwiv_> guys, every time I try to use Muon to update packages on 11.10, I get "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided". However, I'm never prompted to provide authorization. How can I fix this?
[18:49] <salo> genii-around: thanks, i'll try that
[18:50] <salo> genii-around: have to add it in the kernel command line in grub do i?
[18:51] <yofel> jbwiv_: is the polkit-kde-1 package installed?
[18:52] <genii-around> salo: For one-time just hit e to edit grub boot line and put it just after: splash    ... if it works not to freeze, then add line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="libata.force=noncq"  to /etc/default/grub  and then sudo update-grub
[18:52] <jbwiv_> yofel, no, it doesn't appear to be
[18:53] <jbwiv_> yofel, I installed kubuntu by first installing ubuntu and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop. I wonder if this was missed for some reason?
[18:53] <yofel> yeah, known issue :/
[18:53] <yofel> jbwiv_: sudo apt-get install polkit-kde-1
[18:53] <genii-around> salo: ( this way it will get re-added as an option every time upgrades rebuild grub )
[18:53] <yofel> it'll work once you log out once
[18:53] <jbwiv_> yofel, k. I did install it, but I still don't get prompted. should this require a logout/loging
[18:53] <jbwiv_> ah, you beat me to it, ok thanks! ;)
[18:54] <yofel> jbwiv_: or
[18:54] <yofel> manually run: /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1
[18:54] <salo> genii-around: ok i`m going to reboot and then wait :)
[18:54] <meebey> http://bit.ly/vznz3C
[18:55] <jbwiv_> yofel, that did the trick. Thanks!
[18:59] <genii-around> salo: If this works to eliminate your freezes, please update page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1662538&page=2 to show that it worked in your situation
[19:00] <salo> genii-around: ok i`ll do that
[19:02] <genii-around> salo: Thanks :)
[19:11] <VJTachyon> is there a graphical utility for configuring ethernet interface routing?
[19:11] <VJTachyon> i have two ethernet interfaces and my internet is through eth1, currently the system can't find the internet
[19:11] <VJTachyon> so i assuming the routing is bad
[19:24] <Squidy> I'm sorry.. I lost the connection...
[19:24] <Squidy> I'm sorry.. I lost the connection...
[19:24] <Squidy> So... I'm using kubuntu 11.10... My sound is working well.. however when I put the headphone.. the speaker volume goes to 0% automatically.. then I get no sound in both headphone and speaker
[19:25] <Squidy> may you help me/
[19:25] <Squidy> ?
[19:32] <MeanderingCode> Anyone having issues w/ Eclipse (or maybe other Java progs?) where some sections of dialogs are empty??
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Squidy, if you have pulseaudio installed then install pavucontrol . it will control your headphones and speaker outputs
[19:45] <Steve132> I cannot seem to get KMail to send any emails.
[19:46] <Steve132> Emails in my outbox just sit there
[19:46] <Steve132> and checking mail doesn't send them
[19:46] <Steve132> even manually clicking 'send queued messages' doesn't send them
[19:46] <Steve132> Some googling seems to imply that I need to enable the akonadi component "mail dispatch agent"
[19:46] <Steve132> but I cannot.  It is greyed out
[19:47] <Daskreech> Steve132: how did you set it up?
[19:48] <Daskreech> when you made an account you set up the smtp outgoing server?
[19:48] <Steve132> Yes
[19:51] <Squidy> BluesKaj: I've installed pvaucontrol.. but the problem still happens.. When I plug the headphone the port change to 'Analog Headphone' and the sound stops in both headphone and speakers
[19:51] <Squidy> weird
[19:53] <blip-> hi all, I upgraded from 11.04 to the latest Kubuntu and I'm having big trouble with wifi on my laptop.
[19:53] <blip-> It can't connect to my home network and this little system tray icon program is horrible
[19:56] <MeanderingCode> Does anyone have problems w/ empty panes in windows (not empty, i can click things, but nothing is drawn)?
[19:56] <MeanderingCode> This is Eclipse, which is Java
[19:56] <BluesKaj> Steve132, look at comment 10 , https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259355
[19:57] <Steve132> I don't recieve this error
[19:58] <Steve132> tough
[19:58] <BluesKaj> ok, sorry , I thought it was relavent
[19:59] <BluesKaj> Steve132, are yo on 11.10 ?
[19:59] <Steve132> yes
[20:01] <BluesKaj> Squidy, ok ,try it without pulseaudio and pavucobtrol ,,some souncards work better with alsa without pulseaudio in the middle
[20:02] <BluesKaj> Steve132, perhaps you don't get that error but your problem may be related
[20:03] <Steve132> Ok, so, what do I do?
[20:04] <MeanderingCode> Is no one in here an Eclipse user?  Could someone do me a favor and install it, run it (let it create the "workspace" folder and just delete it later), and open Window > Preferences, then tell me if the left pane is populated with the index of preference sections or is just empty?
[20:05] <BluesKaj> look the URL I posted , there may be links there or other comments that may help you, Steve132
[20:05] <Steve132> Well, I appreciate the help, but I'd rather not futz with my configuratino unless there is some reason to believe the problems are related
[20:08] <BluesKaj> MeanderingCode, have you tried the ##java chat ?
[20:08] <MeanderingCode> BluesKaj: double hash? (just checking)  Not linux dedicated, i assume...headed there now
[20:09] <BluesKaj> yes, MeanderingCode . I already checked, ##
[20:09] <MeanderingCode> thanks
[20:15] <Steve132> So I did that, and it had no effect
[20:15] <Steve132> because that was not the source of my errror
[20:38] <orava> Hi, does someone got banshee working in 11.10?
[20:46] <shane2peru> what is the proper way to get someones attention in an extremely slow room?  just start naming random people?  I'm not talking about this room.
[20:47] <maco> thatd usually be considered rude unless you know them. generally you just wait
[20:47] <maco> theres no guarantee theyre even at the computer
[20:47] <maco> or awake for that matter (timezones and all)
[20:47] <BadDesign> shane2peru: asking question the right way
[20:47] <BadDesign> -*s
[20:47] <BadDesign> orava: What problem do you encounter?
[20:48] <shane2peru> BadDesign: well, I asked the question, and left it set for about 3 hours, and no one has responded, no one has even chatted in the room
[20:48] <BadDesign> shane2peru: probably in this room may people are afk or in different time zones that you (us)
[20:49] <BadDesign> *many
[20:49] <shane2peru> right, but I"m talking about a different room, well, never mind, I started ramdomly naming people.
[20:49] <BadDesign> orava: Run Banshee from Konsole and see what is the ouput, maybe that will tell you something about what is wrong
[20:49] <orava> BadDesign: can't remember, I'm using 11.04 right now. next time I boot to 11.10 I will let you know
[20:50] <BadDesign> I need some rest, ffs, I miss letters from words :(
[21:16] <RandomRoger> Hello, is there a way to remove the activity button on the desktop ?
[21:17] <dalston> RandomRoger: if it's a widget.. try right-clicking
[21:17] <dalston> RandomRoger: you're typing about the button with the three dots, right?  Red, Blue, Green?
[21:18] <RandomRoger> No
[21:18] <RandomRoger> The button is in the top right corner and says "New Activity"
[21:19] <dalston> RandomRoger: so, you're currently on the activity labeled "New Activity"
[21:20] <dalston> RandomRoger: are you trying to get rid of the "cashew" looking icon altogether?
[21:20] <RandomRoger> Yeah
[21:21] <RandomRoger> Seems I find a solution, move it until its hidden by the panel :)
[21:21] <dalston> RandomRoger: try this.. http://hanschen.org/2008/10/23/plasma-how-to-remove-the-cashew/
[21:22] <RandomRoger> Thanks, will take a look.
[21:27] <RandomRoger> brb
[21:39] <drbobb> hello, anyone have a hint on how to get rid of the stupid gnome gadgets from my systray?
[21:40] <drbobb> I logged into gnome desktop a couple of times before I decided it sucks, and now I can't find a way to get rid of them
[21:49] <DarthFrog>  !purekde | drbobb
[21:50] <dalston> drbobb: systray apps come from several places.. check "Startup and Shutdown" in "systemsettings".. then check  ~/.kde/Autostart and  ~/.config/autostart and /etc/xdg/autostart
[21:50] <sillytones> is it possible to make key repeat short for arrow keys and longer for other keys?
[21:57] <Uninstall> is anybody aware that muon software center
[21:58] <Uninstall> installs libc6-xen instead of skype?
[22:02] <Sentynel> hi folks. been having issues related to a) random system freezes and b) hangs on shutdown since upgrading to 11.10. I believe it may be related to the wifi drivers, due to the following: the system froze again. after reboot, the wireless network wouldn't connect (the "connecting" bar got halfway across, stopped, and then it disconnected after a bit). I shut the system down and noticed it shut down properly, without hanging. I've now switched to
[22:02] <Sentynel> a different antenna and it's connected to the network again
[22:04] <Sentynel> any suggestions for obtaining more information? I've had reliability problems with this antenna before - connection drops frequently - so I'd rather not keep using it
[22:07] <drbobb> DarthFrog: I don't really want to wipe out gnome packages just yet, I might yet have some use for them
[22:07] <Uninstall> drbobb:
[22:07] <Uninstall> are you a kubuntu guy?
[22:07] <drbobb> yes
[22:07] <Uninstall> drbobb: are you aware that muon software center installs random packages?
[22:08] <drbobb> I did use gnome for a while, when kde4 was too buggy for daily use
[22:08] <drbobb> Uninstall: no I'm not, how is that?
[22:08] <Uninstall> I've got the same problem on two PCs: it suggest me to install always libc6-xen
[22:08] <Uninstall> when I search for packages on the package manager
[22:09] <Uninstall> instead the software center has installed libc6-xen instead of skype
[22:09] <drbobb> Uninstall: although my original question was not about un/installing packages, but getting rid of autostarts
[22:09] <sillytones> maybe make arrows and backspace repeat fast, but letters repeat slow
[22:09] <drbobb> I usually install via apt-get anyway
[22:09] <Uninstall> drbobb: sorry, I tought you've been here for support
[22:10] <Uninstall> JontheEchidna: ping
[22:10] <drbobb> Uninstall: you just misunderstood my question, that's all
[22:11] <drbobb> I want to stop gnome programs from autostarting, not remove the packages
[22:12] <drbobb> and btw my .config/autostart is empty
[22:12] <JontheEchidna> Uninstall: I've fixed the Skype issue for the next version that should be out in the next few days. Skype (and other apps that are 32-bit only) should be the only ones affected.
[22:13] <drbobb> and my .kde/Autostart has only what I put there myself
[22:13] <Uninstall> JontheEchidna: good
[22:13] <Uninstall> JontheEchidna: anyway if you want to improve the software center
[22:13] <Belial`> when kde 4.8 becomes available, will it eventually push to kubuntu's 11.10 repos over time?
[22:14] <Uninstall> you should allow users to see what is going to be installed
[22:14] <Belial`> or no, because it's a major release?
[22:14] <yofel> Belial`: in the backports ppa as usual
[22:14] <Uninstall> I mean when I click install I can't get any feedback about what my system is doing
[22:14] <Belial`> yofel: right, but would they do it in the official stable repos?
[22:14] <yofel> no
[22:14] <Belial`> ok
[22:15] <Belial`> so just minor releases get pushed to the stable repos, right?
[22:15] <Belial`> ie 4.7.2
[22:15] <gomiboy> Uninstall: there is a "preview changes" for that
[22:15] <Uninstall> gomiboy: in software center?
[22:15] <drbobb> Uninstall: I got u wrong, thought you were asking whether I was a kubuntu user, not a kubuntu dev
[22:16] <Belial`> basically, 11.10 will most likely have 4.7.5 in its official repos before its eol?
[22:16] <Uninstall> drbobb: exactly
[22:16] <yofel> Belial`: exactly, 4.7.5 will be the last update
[22:16] <drbobb> sorry
[22:16] <Belial`> gotcha
[22:27] <sillytones> when I try to type capital z, it shows the desktop. why>?
[22:49] <amichair> what's the latest update (from today?) to kde from the ppa? it seems to still be 4.7.2, but the whole kde is being updated... anyone know what this is?
[22:50] <Belial`> amichair: they  pushed 4.7.2 to the stable repo today.
[22:50] <amichair> ah
[22:51] <amichair> so it's the exact same packages as before?
[22:51] <Belial`> i believe so. i think they're being upgraded because they're patched.
[22:51] <amichair> Belial`: patched?
[22:52] <Belial`> maybe not patched, but i believe the apps from the kubuntu-ppa aren't followed with "ubuntu1", "ubuntu2" etc at the end of them.
[22:53] <amichair> ah ok, so just naming change
[22:53] <Belial`> basically.
[22:53] <Belial`> i don't notice a difference in anything.
[22:53] <amichair> Belial`: cool, thanks
[22:53] <Belial`> np
[22:54] <James147> amichair: its likly a small change in the packageing... the number at the end of ubuntu gets bumped when the packages get rebuilt, normally to fix somethong
[22:54] <amichair> James147: thanks :-)
[22:55] <amichair> does anyone know if exfat now automounts in oneiric? (with fuse-exfat installs)
[23:03] <search-no-find> I was wondering if it's possible to download old versionof Kubuntu? Namely version 11.04
[23:03] <search-no-find> I searched but ended up either on404 pages or on Ubuntu old releases...
[23:06] <amichair> search-no-find: maybe try from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/
[23:06] <search-no-find> amichair: ah,thanks a lot :)
[23:06] <amichair> search-no-find: have fun :-)
[23:07] <search-no-find> I will, thanks :)
[23:07] <search-no-find> bye now
[23:09] <giantpune> im using kubuntu 11.10.  the update manager (apper) just told me it had 273 updates.  i told it to update.  then it downloaded, prepared, and installed a bunch of stuff and then stopped at 84%
[23:09] <giantpune> i closed the window, and now i clicked the apper tray icon to load it again and its just hanging there
[23:10] <giantpune> any ideas?
[23:11] <amichair> giantpune: I don't know about apper, but from konsole (command line) you can run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" to upgrade all available packages, and "sudo apt-get install -f" (if I remember correctly) to fix half-installed packages
[23:13] <giantpune> seems that apper is stuck and somehow has locked everything else out of the app-stuff
[23:13] <giantpune> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[23:14] <amichair> giantpune: if you get that message, close all instances of all package managers first. if it still shows, you can just delete the lock file (sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock) and try again.
[23:16] <giantpune> hmm.  the update manager thingy is something that kubuntu is running in the background.  im not sure what all i need to kill to end it
[23:27] <Daskreech> sillytones: Capital Z?
[23:27] <sillytones> shift-z
[23:27] <sillytones> i probably changed the shortcut myself but I can't find it to change back
[23:33] <Daskreech> sillytones: you can try in global shortcuts but sounds like you reassigned the shortcut key for the show desktop applet
[23:33] <Daskreech> len: Steal my sunshine!
[23:37] <sillytones> Daskreech: i can search standard keyboard shortcuts all at once, but I can't in global keyboard shortcuts. do you know hwere to find the show desktop one?
[23:38] <sillytones> Daskreech: actually i found show desktop and it has no shortcut
[23:38] <sillytones> i think it's switching workspaces
[23:40] <sillytones> found it it was called switch to next workspace
[23:42] <Belial`> Daskreech: last night, after i disabled the dim display and screen energy saving under performance (which is for when it's plugged in, which it was) the screen still turned off.
[23:42] <Belial`> i read about kde ignoring settings in power management sometimes.
[23:42] <Belial`> briefly, anyway.
[23:48] <Daskreech> sillytones: it would be kwin
[23:48] <Daskreech> sillytones: or plasma desktop. (it's called show dashboard there)
[23:48] <sillytones> thanks, yeah i found it
[23:48] <sillytones> i forget hwere it was
[23:49] <Daskreech> sillytones: if you have a showdesktop plasmoid right look at the properties and it will have a keyboard shortcut. That might be set to Z
[23:49] <Daskreech> sillytones: Ah workspace switching :)
[23:50] <Daskreech> Belial`: Bleah. Might want to talk to someone in #solid
[23:52] <Belial`> Daskreech: i actually haven't even checked in #kde yet. i'll probably try that now.
[23:55] <Daskreech> Ok