| kteatime | Hi everybody! I set up my very first PPA, that's a cool infrastructure! My first two uploads were experiments with a snapshot of the software I would like to package. I deleted the packages yesterday, but nevertheless they still seem to be saved on launchpad's server. Does any of you know how long it takes until the final deletion? | 06:57 |
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| wgrant | kteatime: They should be gone from ppa.launchpad.net within an hour or so, and from the web UI in about a week. But you can never upload different files with the same name again. | 06:58 |
| nigelb | I just typed a long reply and wgrant beat me to it. | 06:58 |
| nigelb | :) | 06:58 |
| tumbleweed | wgrant: I get the feeling this needs to be stated as a warning early on in all beginning ppa documentation | 06:59 |
| wgrant | tumbleweed: PPAs were initially designed for people who knew how to use Debian-style archives :/ | 06:59 |
| kteatime | wgrant OK, thanks | 06:59 |
| tumbleweed | wgrant: yeah, I know, but it seems to catch everyone else | 07:00 |
| nigelb | s/else//g | 07:00 |
| nigelb | It cathes everyone :) | 07:00 |
| nigelb | *catches | 07:00 |
| wgrant | Well, it doesn't catch people who treat version numbers with the respect they deserve :) | 07:00 |
| nigelb | hah | 07:00 |
| tumbleweed | with a personal archive on ones' own machine, you can always just force a replacement of an existing file :P | 07:01 |
| nigelb | But delete on launchpad doesn't mean delete and blast from the face of the earth. | 07:01 |
| nigelb | Anyway, this is soyuz. Its always special. | 07:02 |
| kteatime | I think tumbleweed is right: There is some documentation about versioning in the help, but it's not enough for beginners. | 07:05 |
| wgrant | Yeah. | 07:06 |
| wgrant | The PPA documentation really needs to be rewritten to target beginners. | 07:06 |
| nigelb | where's Dan ;) | 07:06 |
| wgrant | I can hear his screams already. | 07:06 |
| kteatime | I could even imagine me doing this, once I've understood this process. | 07:06 |
| nigelb | wgrant: Heh, I see he's getting good training. | 07:07 |
| mrevell | hi | 07:18 |
| poolie | hi mrevell | 07:32 |
| mrevell | Hey there poolie | 07:33 |
| danhg | Morning all | 07:58 |
| kteatime | wgrant One more question: Is the package name case sensitive? Could I create a new PPA with different cases? e.g. deleted package bla-1.0.4 versus new package Bla-1.0.4 in a different PPA? | 08:18 |
| wgrant | kteatime: Ah, the uniqueness constraint I mentioned only affects a single people. | 08:20 |
| wgrant | Er. | 08:20 |
| wgrant | s/people/PPA/ | 08:20 |
| wenchien | hi~ | 08:20 |
| wgrant | So you could upload the same version to a different PPA. | 08:20 |
| wgrant | But package names should always be lowercase. | 08:20 |
| wgrant | We probably enforce that. | 08:20 |
| kteatime | ok | 08:21 |
| wenchien | if i send a mail to <someone>, CC <mailing list> and <LP bug>, will LP send a copy of this mail to <mailing list> ? | 08:21 |
| kteatime | but i suppose the new PPA could not have the same name even if the old one was deleted? | 08:21 |
| wgrant | kteatime: Correct. | 08:23 |
| kteatime | Thank you wgrant! | 08:23 |
| wgrant | wenchien: Only if the mailing list is already subscribed to the bug. | 08:23 |
| wenchien | wgrant: humm... how can i tell if it is subscribed or not? | 08:25 |
| wgrant | wenchien: Check the list on the right. | 08:25 |
| wenchien | wgrant: section "Other bug subscribers"? | 08:26 |
| wgrant | wenchien: Right. | 08:27 |
| wenchien | wgrant: humm.. i think it is not the the list @@ | 08:28 |
| wenchien | wgrant: but everytime i send a mail, i'll see two on the list, one is from me, and the other has a subject started by "[Bug xxxx]" | 08:31 |
| wgrant | wenchien: It must be subscribed to the bug, then. | 08:31 |
| wgrant | What's the mailing list, and which bug? | 08:31 |
| wenchien | wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/linux/+bug/854399 | 08:31 |
| ubot5 | Error: Could not gather data from Ubuntu for bug #854399 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/854399). The error has been logged | 08:31 |
| wenchien | wgrant: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.bluez.kernel/16570 | 08:32 |
| wgrant | wenchien: Interesting, gmane seems to be doing cross-list threading. | 08:34 |
| wgrant | If you look at the links, those two messages are actually on the ubuntu-bugs mailing list. | 08:35 |
| wgrant | Which gets all Ubuntu bugmail. | 08:35 |
| wenchien | wgrant: ah... didn't noticed that @@ | 08:35 |
| wenchien | wgrant: thank you! :) | 08:36 |
| wgrant | I did not know that gmane did that. | 08:36 |
| wgrant | Impressive. | 08:36 |
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| kteatime | Hi again! I'm still having a problem with debuild -S and the upload to launchpad. The thing is that I cannot change the version number of my orig.tar.gz because it's the actual version of the original software that I packaged. But debuild -S doesn't work any more because in the binary there were important changes. How would you solve this? | 12:51 |
| kteatime | (So, yes, I packaged a binary.) | 12:52 |
| tumbleweed | don't change the orig.tar.gz, you can't | 12:53 |
| tumbleweed | rather, include the changes inside the debian directory, with quilt | 12:53 |
| kteatime | Quilt. Ok. I'll come back after some reading time. ;-) Thanks tumbleweed! | 12:55 |
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| Laney | can it ever be the case that an SPPH record is created with a date in the past? | 19:59 |
| Laney | e.g. embargoed builds? | 19:59 |
| hyper_ch | why isn't launchpad showing all bugs I reported? | 20:04 |
| dobey | hyper_ch: they were marked duplicate, invalid, won't fix, or fix released perhaps? | 20:18 |
| odin_ | I have not used launchpad before, I have installed some version of Ubuntu in vmware to test integration, is there a default set of package I should install ? like meta packages "development tools" or something ? | 21:52 |
| odin_ | is there a list of meta-package I should install to get started? like gcc compiler and bzr, i.e. all the basic stuff a launchpad buildbot will have ? | 21:52 |
| odin_ | OpenSuSE has: zypper in -t pattern 'development-tools' and Red Hat has: yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' | 21:56 |
| maxb | odin_: First things first... I think you're a little confused about the relationship between Launchpad and Ubuntu | 22:17 |
| maxb | Whilst it's true that Launchpad hosts a large amount of infrastructure specific to Ubuntu development, it's not really clear from your question why you're asking this here, rather than on an Ubuntu channel | 22:19 |
| odin_ | Launchpad is Ubuntu's version of OBS and/or Koji ? | 22:19 |
| odin_ | one way to get started on those systems is to install the OS (like RHEL or OpenSuSE) and install the base packages the builder has, then install the Build-Requires and issue and auto-build on your local system | 22:20 |
| odin_ | once you have it build and working locally, you can then submit/commit the package info change to the packagers robotic system for an official published build that is compatible | 22:21 |
| odin_ | please correct me on the details that are completely wrong | 22:21 |
| lifeless | odin_: so you want to contribute build fixes to Ubuntu ? | 22:22 |
| odin_ | well packages that may not be in official release, infact there is already a package and maintainer for it, I am just trying to assist them in their work | 22:23 |
| odin_ | since my main goal is looking after the cross platform open source project itself | 22:23 |
| odin_ | but I have worked with OBS and rpmbuild before just never launchpad | 22:24 |
| odin_ | is bzr-buildeb useful ? bzr-builder ? | 22:27 |
| tumbleweed | odin_: sounds like the questions you are asking are more about the basic packaging workflows and tools than anything launchpad-related. (Launchpad is a lot more than just buildds) | 22:27 |
| tumbleweed | odin_: the launchpad buildds use sbuild, many developers use it or pbuilder for testing. The meta-package for development tools is build-essential, but each package also has other build dependencies. sbuild / pbuilder handle all of that. | 22:29 |
| odin_ | yes, I guess, my workflow is that I have isnstalled Ubuntu 11.10 desktop and now wish to locally build a recipie from launchpad, what commands might be good one to issue to install/setup things | 22:29 |
| tumbleweed | for recipes, bzr-builder | 22:30 |
| tumbleweed | but then you'll want a pbuilder or sbuild to build the source package that the recipe produces | 22:30 |
| asac_ | hmm. odd thing. searching for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=lt-snowball+primary-video-out+linaro-ubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ALL gioves more results than searching for just one tag | 22:37 |
| asac_ | seems the ALL combinator is broken? | 22:37 |
| asac_ | e.g compare to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=primary-video-out&field.tags_combinator=ALL | 22:37 |
| asac_ | known issue? | 22:37 |
| asac_ | yeah its broken imo :) ALL delivers same results as ANY | 22:39 |
| lifeless | not known, looks like a regression | 22:39 |
| lifeless | please file a bug :( | 22:39 |
| asac_ | hmm | 22:40 |
| asac_ | lifeless: ... we wanted to use bugs to associate bugs with aa board support matrix ... now i dont know what to do :/ | 22:40 |
| lifeless | asac_: file a bug | 22:40 |
| asac_ | will do | 22:41 |
| asac_ | just whining ;) | 22:41 |
| asac_ | lifeless: bug 881144 | 22:43 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 881144 in Launchpad itself "field.tags_combinator=ALL regressed (same results as with ANY)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881144 | 22:43 |
| asac_ | thanks for sending the bug the right direction :) | 22:44 |
| lifeless | thanks | 22:45 |
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| odin_ | what is "sbuilder" ? its not in Oneiric package management search | 23:12 |
| odin_ | is there ssh access to bzr ? how might a branch be renamed? | 23:51 |
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