[06:57] Hi everybody! I set up my very first PPA, that's a cool infrastructure! My first two uploads were experiments with a snapshot of the software I would like to package. I deleted the packages yesterday, but nevertheless they still seem to be saved on launchpad's server. Does any of you know how long it takes until the final deletion? [06:58] kteatime: They should be gone from ppa.launchpad.net within an hour or so, and from the web UI in about a week. But you can never upload different files with the same name again. [06:58] I just typed a long reply and wgrant beat me to it. [06:58] :) [06:59] wgrant: I get the feeling this needs to be stated as a warning early on in all beginning ppa documentation [06:59] tumbleweed: PPAs were initially designed for people who knew how to use Debian-style archives :/ [06:59] wgrant OK, thanks [07:00] wgrant: yeah, I know, but it seems to catch everyone else [07:00] s/else//g [07:00] It cathes everyone :) [07:00] *catches [07:00] Well, it doesn't catch people who treat version numbers with the respect they deserve :) [07:00] hah [07:01] with a personal archive on ones' own machine, you can always just force a replacement of an existing file :P [07:01] But delete on launchpad doesn't mean delete and blast from the face of the earth. [07:02] Anyway, this is soyuz. Its always special. [07:05] I think tumbleweed is right: There is some documentation about versioning in the help, but it's not enough for beginners. [07:06] Yeah. [07:06] The PPA documentation really needs to be rewritten to target beginners. [07:06] where's Dan ;) [07:06] I can hear his screams already. [07:06] I could even imagine me doing this, once I've understood this process. [07:07] wgrant: Heh, I see he's getting good training. [07:18] hi [07:32] hi mrevell [07:33] Hey there poolie [07:58] Morning all [08:18] wgrant One more question: Is the package name case sensitive? Could I create a new PPA with different cases? e.g. deleted package bla-1.0.4 versus new package Bla-1.0.4 in a different PPA? [08:20] kteatime: Ah, the uniqueness constraint I mentioned only affects a single people. [08:20] Er. [08:20] s/people/PPA/ [08:20] hi~ [08:20] So you could upload the same version to a different PPA. [08:20] But package names should always be lowercase. [08:20] We probably enforce that. [08:21] ok [08:21] if i send a mail to , CC and , will LP send a copy of this mail to ? [08:21] but i suppose the new PPA could not have the same name even if the old one was deleted? [08:23] kteatime: Correct. [08:23] Thank you wgrant! [08:23] wenchien: Only if the mailing list is already subscribed to the bug. [08:25] wgrant: humm... how can i tell if it is subscribed or not? [08:25] wenchien: Check the list on the right. [08:26] wgrant: section "Other bug subscribers"? [08:27] wenchien: Right. [08:28] wgrant: humm.. i think it is not the the list @@ [08:31] wgrant: but everytime i send a mail, i'll see two on the list, one is from me, and the other has a subject started by "[Bug xxxx]" [08:31] wenchien: It must be subscribed to the bug, then. [08:31] What's the mailing list, and which bug? [08:31] wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/linux/+bug/854399 [08:31] Error: Could not gather data from Ubuntu for bug #854399 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/854399). The error has been logged [08:32] wgrant: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.bluez.kernel/16570 [08:34] wenchien: Interesting, gmane seems to be doing cross-list threading. [08:35] If you look at the links, those two messages are actually on the ubuntu-bugs mailing list. [08:35] Which gets all Ubuntu bugmail. [08:35] wgrant: ah... didn't noticed that @@ [08:36] wgrant: thank you! :) [08:36] I did not know that gmane did that. [08:36] Impressive. === rvba changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: allenap, rvba | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:51] Hi again! I'm still having a problem with debuild -S and the upload to launchpad. The thing is that I cannot change the version number of my orig.tar.gz because it's the actual version of the original software that I packaged. But debuild -S doesn't work any more because in the binary there were important changes. How would you solve this? [12:52] (So, yes, I packaged a binary.) [12:53] don't change the orig.tar.gz, you can't [12:53] rather, include the changes inside the debian directory, with quilt [12:55] Quilt. Ok. I'll come back after some reading time. ;-) Thanks tumbleweed! === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:30] bac ping === med_out is now known as medberry === matsubara_ is now known as matsubara-lunch === zz_joey is now known as joey === rvba changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: allenap | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad === matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === allenap changed the topic of #launchpad to: https://launchpad.net/ | Help contact: - | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad [17:23] how can I change team membership for a team I'm administrator of (e.g. I want team X (for which I am an admin) to leave team Y) === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno === zyga is now known as zyga-afk === matsubara is now known as matsubara-afk === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [19:59] can it ever be the case that an SPPH record is created with a date in the past? [19:59] e.g. embargoed builds? [20:04] why isn't launchpad showing all bugs I reported? [20:18] hyper_ch: they were marked duplicate, invalid, won't fix, or fix released perhaps? [21:52] I have not used launchpad before, I have installed some version of Ubuntu in vmware to test integration, is there a default set of package I should install ? like meta packages "development tools" or something ? [21:52] is there a list of meta-package I should install to get started? like gcc compiler and bzr, i.e. all the basic stuff a launchpad buildbot will have ? [21:56] OpenSuSE has: zypper in -t pattern 'development-tools' and Red Hat has: yum groupinstall 'Development Tools' [22:17] odin_: First things first... I think you're a little confused about the relationship between Launchpad and Ubuntu [22:19] Whilst it's true that Launchpad hosts a large amount of infrastructure specific to Ubuntu development, it's not really clear from your question why you're asking this here, rather than on an Ubuntu channel [22:19] Launchpad is Ubuntu's version of OBS and/or Koji ? [22:20] one way to get started on those systems is to install the OS (like RHEL or OpenSuSE) and install the base packages the builder has, then install the Build-Requires and issue and auto-build on your local system [22:21] once you have it build and working locally, you can then submit/commit the package info change to the packagers robotic system for an official published build that is compatible [22:21] please correct me on the details that are completely wrong [22:22] odin_: so you want to contribute build fixes to Ubuntu ? [22:23] well packages that may not be in official release, infact there is already a package and maintainer for it, I am just trying to assist them in their work [22:23] since my main goal is looking after the cross platform open source project itself [22:24] but I have worked with OBS and rpmbuild before just never launchpad [22:27] is bzr-buildeb useful ? bzr-builder ? [22:27] odin_: sounds like the questions you are asking are more about the basic packaging workflows and tools than anything launchpad-related. (Launchpad is a lot more than just buildds) [22:29] odin_: the launchpad buildds use sbuild, many developers use it or pbuilder for testing. The meta-package for development tools is build-essential, but each package also has other build dependencies. sbuild / pbuilder handle all of that. [22:29] yes, I guess, my workflow is that I have isnstalled Ubuntu 11.10 desktop and now wish to locally build a recipie from launchpad, what commands might be good one to issue to install/setup things [22:30] for recipes, bzr-builder [22:30] but then you'll want a pbuilder or sbuild to build the source package that the recipe produces [22:37] hmm. odd thing. searching for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=lt-snowball+primary-video-out+linaro-ubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ALL gioves more results than searching for just one tag [22:37] seems the ALL combinator is broken? [22:37] e.g compare to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=primary-video-out&field.tags_combinator=ALL [22:37] known issue? [22:39] yeah its broken imo :) ALL delivers same results as ANY [22:39] not known, looks like a regression [22:39] please file a bug :( [22:40] hmm [22:40] lifeless: ... we wanted to use bugs to associate bugs with aa board support matrix ... now i dont know what to do :/ [22:40] asac_: file a bug [22:41] will do [22:41] just whining ;) [22:43] lifeless: bug 881144 [22:43] Launchpad bug 881144 in Launchpad itself "field.tags_combinator=ALL regressed (same results as with ANY)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881144 [22:44] thanks for sending the bug the right direction :) [22:45] thanks === joey is now known as zz_joey [23:12] what is "sbuilder" ? its not in Oneiric package management search [23:51] is there ssh access to bzr ? how might a branch be renamed?