[06:57] <kteatime> Hi everybody! I set up my very first PPA, that's a cool infrastructure! My first two uploads were experiments with a snapshot of the software I would like to package. I deleted the packages yesterday, but nevertheless they still seem to be saved on launchpad's server. Does any of you know how long it takes until the final deletion?
[06:58] <wgrant> kteatime: They should be gone from ppa.launchpad.net within an hour or so, and from the web UI in about a week. But you can never upload different files with the same name again.
[06:58] <nigelb> I just typed a long reply and wgrant beat me to it.
[06:58] <nigelb> :)
[06:59] <tumbleweed> wgrant: I get the feeling this needs to be stated as a warning early on in all beginning ppa documentation
[06:59] <wgrant> tumbleweed: PPAs were initially designed for people who knew how to use Debian-style archives :/
[06:59] <kteatime> wgrant  OK, thanks
[07:00] <tumbleweed> wgrant: yeah, I know, but it seems to catch everyone else
[07:00] <nigelb> s/else//g
[07:00] <nigelb> It cathes everyone :)
[07:00] <nigelb> *catches
[07:00] <wgrant> Well, it doesn't catch people who treat version numbers with the respect they deserve :)
[07:00] <nigelb> hah
[07:01] <tumbleweed> with a personal archive on ones' own machine, you can always just force a replacement of an existing file :P
[07:01] <nigelb> But delete on launchpad doesn't mean delete and blast from the face of the earth.
[07:02] <nigelb> Anyway, this is soyuz. Its always special.
[07:05] <kteatime> I think tumbleweed is right: There is some documentation about versioning in the help, but it's not enough for beginners.
[07:06] <wgrant> Yeah.
[07:06] <wgrant> The PPA documentation really needs to be rewritten to target beginners.
[07:06] <nigelb> where's Dan ;)
[07:06] <wgrant> I can hear his screams already.
[07:06] <kteatime> I could even imagine me doing this, once I've understood this process.
[07:07] <nigelb> wgrant: Heh, I see he's getting good training.
[07:18] <mrevell> hi
[07:32] <poolie> hi mrevell
[07:33] <mrevell> Hey there poolie
[07:58] <danhg> Morning all
[08:18] <kteatime> wgrant One more question: Is the package name case sensitive? Could I create a new PPA with different cases? e.g. deleted package bla-1.0.4 versus new package Bla-1.0.4 in a different PPA?
[08:20] <wgrant> kteatime: Ah, the uniqueness constraint I mentioned only affects a single people.
[08:20] <wgrant> Er.
[08:20] <wgrant> s/people/PPA/
[08:20] <wenchien> hi~
[08:20] <wgrant> So you could upload the same version to a different PPA.
[08:20] <wgrant> But package names should always be lowercase.
[08:20] <wgrant> We probably enforce that.
[08:21] <kteatime> ok
[08:21] <wenchien> if i send a mail to <someone>, CC <mailing list> and <LP bug>, will LP send a copy of this mail to <mailing list> ?
[08:21] <kteatime> but i suppose the new PPA could not have the same name even if the old one was deleted?
[08:23] <wgrant> kteatime: Correct.
[08:23] <kteatime> Thank you wgrant!
[08:23] <wgrant> wenchien: Only if the mailing list is already subscribed to the bug.
[08:25] <wenchien> wgrant: humm... how can i tell if it is subscribed or not?
[08:25] <wgrant> wenchien: Check the list on the right.
[08:26] <wenchien> wgrant: section "Other bug subscribers"?
[08:27] <wgrant> wenchien: Right.
[08:28] <wenchien> wgrant: humm.. i think it is not the the list  @@
[08:31] <wenchien> wgrant: but everytime i send a mail, i'll see two on the list, one is from me, and the other has a subject started by "[Bug xxxx]"
[08:31] <wgrant> wenchien: It must be subscribed to the bug, then.
[08:31] <wgrant> What's the mailing list, and which bug?
[08:31] <wenchien> wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/linux/+bug/854399
[08:32] <wenchien> wgrant: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.bluez.kernel/16570
[08:34] <wgrant> wenchien: Interesting, gmane seems to be doing cross-list threading.
[08:35] <wgrant> If you look at the links, those two messages are actually on the ubuntu-bugs mailing list.
[08:35] <wgrant> Which gets all Ubuntu bugmail.
[08:35] <wenchien> wgrant: ah... didn't noticed that @@
[08:36] <wenchien> wgrant: thank you! :)
[08:36] <wgrant> I did not know that gmane did that.
[08:36] <wgrant> Impressive.
[12:51] <kteatime> Hi again! I'm still having a problem with debuild -S and the upload to launchpad. The thing is that I cannot change the version number of my orig.tar.gz because it's the actual version of the original software that I packaged. But debuild -S doesn't work any more because in the binary there were important changes. How would you solve this?
[12:52] <kteatime> (So, yes, I packaged a binary.)
[12:53] <tumbleweed> don't change the orig.tar.gz, you can't
[12:53] <tumbleweed> rather, include the changes inside the debian directory, with quilt
[12:55] <kteatime> Quilt. Ok. I'll come back after some reading time. ;-) Thanks tumbleweed!
[14:30] <sinzui> bac ping
[17:23] <cyphermox> how can I change team membership for a team I'm administrator of (e.g. I want team X (for which I am an admin) to leave team Y)
[19:59] <Laney> can it ever be the case that an SPPH record is created with a date in the past?
[19:59] <Laney> e.g. embargoed builds?
[20:04] <hyper_ch> why isn't launchpad showing all bugs I reported?
[20:18] <dobey> hyper_ch: they were marked duplicate, invalid, won't fix, or fix released perhaps?
[21:52] <odin_> I have not used launchpad before, I have installed some version of Ubuntu in vmware to test integration, is there a default set of package I should install ?  like meta packages "development tools" or something ?
[21:52] <odin_> is there a list of meta-package I should install to get started?  like gcc compiler and bzr, i.e. all the basic stuff a launchpad buildbot will have ?
[21:56] <odin_> OpenSuSE has: zypper in -t pattern 'development-tools' and Red Hat has: yum groupinstall 'Development Tools'
[22:17] <maxb> odin_: First things first... I think you're a little confused about the relationship between Launchpad and Ubuntu
[22:19] <maxb> Whilst it's true that Launchpad hosts a large amount of infrastructure specific to Ubuntu development, it's not really clear from your question why you're asking this here, rather than on an Ubuntu channel
[22:19] <odin_> Launchpad is Ubuntu's version of OBS and/or Koji ?
[22:20] <odin_> one way to get started on those systems is to install the OS (like RHEL or OpenSuSE) and install the base packages the builder has, then install the Build-Requires and issue and auto-build on your local system
[22:21] <odin_> once you have it build and working locally, you can then submit/commit the package info change to the packagers robotic system for an official published build that is compatible
[22:21] <odin_> please correct me on the details that are completely wrong
[22:22] <lifeless> odin_: so you want to contribute build fixes to Ubuntu ?
[22:23] <odin_> well packages that may not be in official release, infact there is already a package and maintainer for it, I am just trying to assist them in their work
[22:23] <odin_> since my main goal is looking after the cross platform open source project itself
[22:24] <odin_> but I have worked with OBS and rpmbuild before just never launchpad
[22:27] <odin_> is bzr-buildeb useful ?  bzr-builder ?
[22:27] <tumbleweed> odin_: sounds like the questions you are asking are more about the basic packaging workflows and tools than anything launchpad-related. (Launchpad is a lot more than just buildds)
[22:29] <tumbleweed> odin_: the launchpad buildds use sbuild, many developers use it or pbuilder for testing. The meta-package for development tools is build-essential, but each package also has other build dependencies. sbuild / pbuilder handle all of that.
[22:29] <odin_> yes, I guess, my workflow is that I have isnstalled Ubuntu 11.10 desktop and now wish to locally build a recipie from launchpad, what commands might be good one to issue to install/setup things
[22:30] <tumbleweed> for recipes, bzr-builder
[22:30] <tumbleweed> but then you'll want a pbuilder or sbuild to build the source package that the recipe produces
[22:37] <asac_> hmm. odd thing. searching for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=lt-snowball+primary-video-out+linaro-ubuntu&field.tags_combinator=ALL gioves more results than searching for just one tag
[22:37] <asac_> seems the ALL combinator is broken?
[22:37] <asac_> e.g compare to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=primary-video-out&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[22:37] <asac_> known issue?
[22:39] <asac_> yeah its broken imo :) ALL delivers same results as ANY
[22:39] <lifeless> not known, looks like a regression
[22:39] <lifeless> please file a bug :(
[22:40] <asac_> hmm
[22:40] <asac_> lifeless: ... we wanted to use bugs to associate bugs with aa board support matrix ... now i dont know what to do :/
[22:40] <lifeless> asac_: file a bug
[22:41] <asac_> will do
[22:41] <asac_> just whining ;)
[22:43] <asac_> lifeless: bug 881144
[22:44] <asac_> thanks for sending the bug the right direction :)
[22:45] <lifeless> thanks
[23:12] <odin_> what is "sbuilder" ?  its not in Oneiric package management search
[23:51] <odin_> is there ssh access to bzr ?  how might a branch be renamed?