[00:00] <Patrickdk> why would someone be able to help you?
[00:01] <Patrickdk> you haven't even stated your issue
[00:01] <Patrickdk> !ask
[00:02] <root_> Alright, I'm sorry about that guys, I'm new to this. I just installed linux last night and I finnaly got it running good with no errors, but I cannot download anything from the software centre, I see install but when I click it nothing happens.
[00:03] <Patrickdk> you JUST installed ubuntu? and you installed 12.04?
[00:03] <root_> 11.10 i believe
[00:03] <Patrickdk> you do know that 12.04 is not stable
[00:03] <Patrickdk> this channel is only for 12.04 help
[00:03] <Patrickdk> visit #ubuntu for other versions
[00:04] <root_> im using irrisi how do i navigate to there?
[00:04] <Patrickdk> I wouldn't know
[00:04] <tomodachi> root_:  there are several ways
[00:04] <tomodachi> root_:  type /join #ubuntu
[00:05] <tomodachi> to join that room , godspeed
[00:05] <Patrickdk> hmm, I really need to submit a patch for mytop
[00:05] <Patrickdk> this bug has annoyed me for the last 10 years
[03:22] <sillytones> so if I understand the planning right, pangolin will be mostly like 11.10 with more polish and attention to detail?
[03:22] <sillytones> or will it be more like 8.04 with a bunch of new features
[03:26] <jbicha> sillytones: we're shooting for similar to 11.10 but with less bugs & more consistency :)
[03:26] <sillytones> jbicha: ok cool! Also I wonder if touchpads will enjoy better support
[03:27] <jbicha> sillytones: what do you mean re: touchpad support ?
[03:27] <sillytones> I see a lot of people looking for support on forums and google
[03:28] <sillytones> also as a personal anecdote, edge scrolling stopped working for me in 11.04, and still hadn't been addressed in 11.10
[03:28] <sillytones> so i'm wondering if 12.04 will be any different
[03:44] <sillytones> jbicha: this seems like it might be the main beef: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/747092/comments/43
[03:47] <jbicha> sillytones: ah ok, I don't do much with kernel stuff
[03:49] <sillytones> jbicha: it would be cool if ubuntu could detect known issues like that and say, "hey, looks like your trackpad's not working! that's because..." but that would be in a perfect alternate dimention
[03:55] <jbicha> maybe as Ubuntu Friendly gets going that will be possible
[03:56] <jbicha> I'd love to see Ubuntu get smart enough to warn users if their hardware won't work well with an upgrade
[04:33] <sillytones> jbicha: I did the hardware survey for ubuntu friendly, but I noticed something I'm not sure is intentional
[04:34] <sillytones> jbicha: the whole survey is really long, and the last thing you test is standby -- my computer wouldn't wake from standby, so I had to hard reset -- was all the time I put into the survey lost then?
[04:37] <jbicha> sillytones: good question, you could file a bug report or ask ubuntu-friendly-squad@lists.launchpad.net
[04:41] <sillytones> email sent :)
[10:00] <FernandoMiguel> murninf
[10:01] <jasef> Morning
[10:01] <jasef> O_O
[10:05] <jasef> Anyone know where I can find dailies for Pangolin desktop? Or am I jumping the gun a bit?
[10:07] <Ian_Corne> you're jumping the gun
[10:07] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: toooo soon
[10:07] <FernandoMiguel> just upgrade from 11.10
[10:07]  * FernandoMiguel misses running 12.04.... is loosing the boat :\
[10:08] <FernandoMiguel> when I said I wasn't sure I would be running 12.x while at 11.10, I sure didn't meaning not having the HW for it....... *ML
[10:10] <Ian_Corne> the hw?
[10:11] <jasef> When do you think I'll be able to get some dailies for it? I like running bleeding edge software and scaring my friends :P
[10:12] <Ian_Corne> jasef: alpha1 I think
[10:12] <Ian_Corne> but you can just upgrade your 11.10
[10:13] <jasef> I can? How? Just doing s/oneiric/precice/ on /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:13] <Ian_Corne> yes
[10:13] <jasef> Oh, sexy. Should I expect a lot of random weird things?
[10:15] <FernandoMiguel> never did
[10:16] <FernandoMiguel> as long as you have the main meta packages
[10:16] <FernandoMiguel> and if you do, than you found a bug :)
[10:16] <kyofel> nothing weird broken here yet after the upgrade at least
[10:17]  * FernandoMiguel looks at kyofel nick and  scratches head......
[10:17] <FernandoMiguel> kyofel: I resamble that nick from some place ....
[10:18] <kyofel> I'm at school - only web client avaliable :(
[10:18] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[10:18] <kyofel> that's why I'm twice in there now. web + quassel
[10:18] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[10:18] <FernandoMiguel> you addicted
[10:18] <kyofel> :P
[10:19] <jasef> I know when I was running natty dailies, I had bugs with stuff because some packages depended on and old version of gcc
[10:19] <Ian_Corne> jasef: for me nothing broken that wasn't broken before :D
[10:19] <jasef> Kay. Updating now :D
[10:19] <jasef> How do I use sed to do this again?
[10:19] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: did you have both repo versions?
[10:19] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <FernandoMiguel> ctrl+f
[10:19] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[10:19] <jasef> FernandoMiguel, for natty dailies? I don't remember.
[10:20] <jasef> Grrr, ruining my CLI fun.
[10:21] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[10:21] <FernandoMiguel> nano FTW
[10:22] <FernandoMiguel> or $ man sed
[10:22] <FernandoMiguel> you gonna need to take a couple of hours to read *and* understand all the regexp syntax. and do backup your sources :p
[10:24] <jasef> root@dionysus:~# mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.oneiric
[10:25] <jasef> root@dionysus:~# sed 's/oneiric/precise/' </etc/apt/sources.oneirc >/etc/apt/sources.list
[10:25] <jasef> <- so proud of myself xD
[10:25] <jasef> er... ignore the typo in that second one, I fixed it in my CLI command but did it before I copied it >.>
[10:25]  * FernandoMiguel pats jasef in the back
[10:26] <FernandoMiguel> AFAIR sed can backup the file too
[10:26] <FernandoMiguel> so you could do that inline
[10:27] <jasef> O_O.
[10:27] <jasef> Must know how...
[10:31] <jasef> I got 404 errors on two of my sources, is that okay?
[10:31] <Ian_Corne> no
[10:31] <Ian_Corne> it shouldn't
[10:31] <Ian_Corne> unless it's partner
[10:31] <kyofel> or PPA's
[10:31] <jasef> Both are from extras.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> strip those.. and also comment all PPAs till you make sure they are available
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> that's the same as partner I think
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> just put oneiric there
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> although you can use older ones, many times
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> FernandoMiguel: the ppa's are in sources.list.d
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> and should not be changed with the sed command
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> not mine
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> ah
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> you don't add them with add-apt-repository?
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> I still have ppas back ijn maverick....
[10:33] <FernandoMiguel> Ian_Corne: I'm an old dog
[10:33] <Ian_Corne> Me too, but I clear out sources.list and ppa's eveyr now and then :)
[10:33] <jasef> So I shouldn't get any problems using the oneiric versions of those?
[10:33] <FernandoMiguel> who knows
[10:34] <FernandoMiguel> YMMV.... it may just work.... or eat kittens
[10:34] <jasef> Lol thanks :P I'll try and see what happens... I should find out what software I have from those repositories first
[10:35] <jasef> Uhm. Any way to do that without installing Synaptic?
[10:37] <FernandoMiguel> do what?
[10:37] <FernandoMiguel> apt-cache policy is your best friend
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> I don't think it's can go wrong, dependencies versions are set
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> and stuff
[10:38] <Ian_Corne> at most, updating will be annoying
[10:38] <jasef> FernandoMiguel, I mean finding what packages I've installed from a particular source
[10:38] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, synaptic has one of the best views for it
[10:39] <jasef> o: It's installing synaptic without any problems... I thought it'd have to update a tonne of packages since I made it all go to precise lol
[10:40] <FernandoMiguel> oh rite, now synpacit is not part of -desktop...
[10:40] <FernandoMiguel> it's like aptitude LOL
[10:40] <jasef> I still don't understand why they removed Synaptic.
[10:44] <kyofel> it's too intelligent for common people
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> :)))
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: I also agree it's uncessary for most common users
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> especially with the all pretty software center
[10:46] <jasef> Software Centre is kinda annoying and slow for me.
[10:46] <FernandoMiguel> me too
[10:46] <FernandoMiguel> but I use aptitude for most of my installs
[10:46] <jasef> Eh... I'm just commenting out the repositories for now, I don't figure any harm will come.
[10:47] <jasef> I don't like aptitude... I just use apt-get
[10:47] <FernandoMiguel> too late... you should do that *before* you upgrade
[10:47] <jasef> I haven't upgraded yet.
[10:47] <FernandoMiguel> don't forget to --update first , so you get the new sources
[10:47] <jasef> All I did was changed the sources.list
[10:47] <FernandoMiguel> protip: apt-get clean
[10:47] <jasef> What does clean do?
[10:47] <FernandoMiguel> cleans out all the packages you have in /car/cache/apt
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> and all the .lists, that will be outdated for 12.x
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> *var
[10:48] <jasef> So if I just do apt-get clean, then apt-get update, I should be fine?
[10:48] <jasef> What's better, apt-get upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> $ du -csh /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> 491M	total
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: I dunno.  I just use aptitude
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> have been using it since the times I did the kde 3.5 > 4.1 migration
[10:49] <jasef> Aptitude has both options too, doesn't it?
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> which certanly SOUND nicer and more clear than those from apt-get
[10:50] <jasef> Freaking touchpad.
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> *which certanly SOUND nicer and more clear than those from apt-get
[10:50] <jasef> Anyway, using aptitude, which command would you recommend I run?
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> safe
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> THAN full
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> I even have an alias for it lOL
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo apt-get update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[10:51] <jasef> FCKING.
[10:51] <jasef> >.>
[10:51] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo apt-get update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[10:51] <FernandoMiguel> !language | jasef
[10:51] <jasef> >.> Sorry
[10:51] <FernandoMiguel> I know
[10:51] <jasef> I'll be good now.
[10:52] <jasef> Argh. Google repositories so slow for running update
[10:53] <jasef> Yay, lol. 496 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[10:54] <jasef> Well, I'm gonna go for dinner and leave my little netbook upgrading. Thanks for all the help :)
[10:54] <jasef> And I'll try to remember about the language from now on.
[10:57] <Ian_Corne> aptitude safe-upgrade is broken on my 64 bit machine
[10:57] <Ian_Corne> always need to use --full-resolve or something
[10:57] <Ian_Corne> and that's just dependency hell
[10:58] <FernandoMiguel> can't test *right now* but was fine last week
[11:05] <jasef> Delayed by my emails D:. Going to dinner now, but safe-upgrade is working fine for me atm, I'll report how it goes when I get back home :)
[13:31] <jasef> Yay. It finished downloading the safe-update... it was waiting for my confirmation on gnome's default applications file >.>
[14:00] <jasef> :( so sad
[14:00] <jasef> My login screen still says 11.10
[14:21] <drussell> jasef: tip-ex?
[14:44] <FernandoMiguel> someone has logs of a chat from 2 weeks ago we were having about passwords? I'm not in my laptop and seems chrome didn't sync my bookmarks :(
[14:44] <Pici> !1984 | FernandoMiguel
[14:44] <FernandoMiguel> thanks Pici
[14:44] <Pici> np
[14:44] <bjsnider> it syncs but you have to sign into gmail
[14:45] <FernandoMiguel> -_-'
[14:50] <FernandoMiguel> no luck going over those logs .... oh well
[14:52] <FernandoMiguel> found it : http://passwordmaker.org
[15:12] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, oh, that's what you were looking for
[15:23] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: it was
[15:23] <FernandoMiguel> so I keep generating the passwords with the same scheme
[17:50]  * Ian_Corne removes all 32bit cruft
[22:33] <roasted_> Exit.
[22:33] <roasted_> Exit