[00:43] <akgraner> nigelb, you around?
[00:44] <duanedesign> congrats akgraner on Community Council
[00:45] <akgraner> duanedesign, hey! thanks!
[00:46] <akgraner> how are you - I haven't had a change to talk to you very often these days - hope all is well with you
[00:46] <duanedesign> akgraner: hard to think of someone better suited. I know you eill do awesome
[00:46] <akgraner> thanks!
[00:46] <duanedesign> akgraner: been very busy getting settled in at Canonical
[00:47] <akgraner> how'd I miss this announcement
[00:47] <akgraner> congrats - what are you doing?
[00:47] <duanedesign> akgraner: helping users with Ubuntu One
[00:48] <akgraner> oh cool!  Help me :-)
[00:48] <akgraner> I'm still not the most effective Ubuntu One user
[00:48] <duanedesign> when you contact Ubuntun ONe for support, thats me :)
[00:48] <akgraner> and have no clue how to be a power Ubuntu One user
[00:48] <duanedesign> akgraner: the service has been a little overwhelmed the last week. Looks like things are improving
[00:48] <akgraner> that's great!  I'm super excited for you!
[00:50] <duanedesign> akgraner: The number of new users always exceeds the estimates
[00:50] <duanedesign> which i guess is good
[00:50] <akgraner> When did you start...sorry I missed the announcement?
[00:50] <duanedesign> been about 3 months
[00:50] <duanedesign> but I have been helping with Ubuntu One as a community member for a couple years
[00:51] <duanedesign> thanks akgraner
[00:51] <akgraner> oh cool
[00:51] <akgraner> hey will you be at UDS?
[00:51] <akgraner> b/c I will so bug you to help me with a few questions I have :-)
[00:51] <duanedesign> yes i will. Excited to get back to Florida it was a nice venue
[00:52] <akgraner> totally - ok I will have my list of "why can't I figure this out" ready to go so I won't waste your time
[00:52] <duanedesign> definitely anytime
[00:53] <akgraner> Thanks!
[00:53] <akgraner> Congrats! and Thank you for being willing to help my Ubuntu One challenged self...
[00:54] <duanedesign> i look forward to it :)
[01:39] <cprofitt> I am always willing to help as well
[01:39] <cprofitt> :-)
[01:40] <akgraner> cprofitt, awesome I'll add you too :-)
[01:47] <cprofitt> cool
[01:47] <cprofitt> I am starting to migrate my mind to UDS now...
[01:47] <cprofitt> so much stuff filled my October so far that I had not really thought much about it
[01:49] <akgraner> cprofitt, I am not sure I have a mind left to migrate anything too :-)
[01:49]  * akgraner is going to relax for a day then work on 1) finding my mind 2) shifting into UDS mode 
[01:50] <cprofitt> lol
[01:50] <akgraner> nah I'm pretty excited
[01:50] <cprofitt> we just go through first den meeting, 6th grade play and popcorn selling
[01:50] <cprofitt> My son fell short on the military donations, but did well
[01:51] <akgraner> gotta luv Boy Scout popcorn
[01:51] <cprofitt> I have been excited about UDS since getting the notice about sponsorship
[01:51] <akgraner> I can't show my excitement around my house  - I'll get locked out of the house - so I gotta be cool about it
[01:52] <cprofitt> lol
[01:52] <cprofitt> I am oft criticized for not showing excitement
[01:52] <cprofitt> :-)
[01:52] <akgraner> maybe Pete and I should do a talk - "So you think you want your family member to be involved in Ubuntu?"
[01:53] <cprofitt> that would be an interesting talk
[01:53] <cprofitt> I think my wife, as I am, hopes that this will result in my being able to do something other than what I do now
[01:53] <cprofitt> I am good at what I do, it is easy, the job is decent... but it is boring
[01:54] <cprofitt> I just feel my IT skills rusting... except doing extra stuff outside
[01:54] <akgraner> cprofitt, we would have to have a not safe for work warning if Pete and I ever gave a talk together
[01:54] <cprofitt> lol
[01:54] <cprofitt> I can imagine
[01:54] <cprofitt> I need to get to know Pete a bit better this UDS
[01:55] <cprofitt> to be honest I also feel like giving back to Ubuntu makes a difference in the world... work doesn't rally provide that
[01:55] <cprofitt> which is odd considering I work for a school
[01:55] <akgraner> good look - he's a hard bird to pin down :-) (but contrary to popular belief he is a nice guy - just straight and to the point and doesn't do small talk well)
[01:56] <cprofitt> sounds a bit like me when I am focused
[01:57] <cprofitt> I have often been blamed for being all work focused and no focus on social stuff
[01:57] <akgraner> totally agree  - with the giving back part :-)  I think that's why I like working on Ubuntu - the doctor who did my compensation and pension exam at VA asks what I write about - and said Linux and she said you mean like Ubuntu
[01:57] <cprofitt> He was busy, busy at UDS-N
[01:57] <akgraner> I said yes - she said - I know that
[01:57]  * cprofitt nods
[01:58] <cprofitt> That is why I go to educational conferences and talk about or teach open source too... I want it to make a difference
[01:58] <akgraner> so I reached in my bag - and gave her a CD, a pen, some stickers and an extra copy of an Ubuntu User Magazine I had in there for some reason
[01:58] <cprofitt> if teachers know about the options they may not be so tied to Apple and Microsoft and other software vendors that are far worse
[01:58] <cprofitt> that is cool.
[01:59] <akgraner> cprofitt, I think everyone who uses and contributes (in anyway) to Ubuntu makes a difference
[01:59] <cprofitt> I have converted 10 folks since 11-4-2010
[01:59] <akgraner> some more than others but we all make a difference - and if we add all our efforts up together then we really see the world begin to change
[01:59] <cprofitt> I agree... and it is great to feel you are making a difference
[02:00] <cprofitt> at my job I feel like I am too often ignored or not allowed to have an impact
[02:00] <cprofitt> they just want us to follow their orders
[02:00] <cprofitt> and at times they do not understand that technical details
[02:00] <cprofitt> I know they mean well... they want the best
[02:00] <cprofitt> but they often make decisions based on less than full facts
[02:01] <akgraner> someone told me, "Amber, I don't think what I do matters or makes a difference. I don't see it."  I said , "Have you ever seen a glacier move? No?  but guess what they move miles and make a big difference"
[02:01] <cprofitt> I also know I do not have some bits that they have... but I wish I could at least given them the ones I have
[02:01] <cprofitt> good point... I hope my work at school is at least glacial in nature
[02:01] <cprofitt> :-)
[02:02] <akgraner> cprofitt, you have some great ideas and I have yet to talk to you or interact with you where I don't walk away from it feeling a little more energized about something
[02:02]  * cprofitt blushes
[02:02] <cprofitt> wow... thanks for telling me that
[02:03] <cprofitt> I would have to say the same about you...
[02:03] <akgraner> I mean it - I'm not good at blowing rainbows and roses up someone's 4th point of contact
[02:03] <cprofitt> you always give me a different angle to think about things from
[02:03] <cprofitt> lol
[02:03] <cprofitt> me as well...
[02:03] <cprofitt> and I would never think you would blow smoke
[02:03] <cprofitt> I view you as rather direct as well
[02:03] <cprofitt> and doubt you suffer fools
[02:04] <cprofitt> that is another thing I like about the Ubuntu community... I feel surrounded by really dedicated intelligent people
[02:04] <akgraner> I try - but I speak in metaphors when I should just say things outright sometimes
[02:05] <akgraner> b/c I like metaphors :-)
[02:05] <akgraner> cprofitt, yep - I don't know many people who are in this who aren't dedicated
[02:05] <cprofitt> I like them as well... and often use them
[02:05] <cprofitt> I think metaphors can be direct...
[02:05] <cprofitt> :-)
[02:06] <akgraner> often we get tired, or confused, or unsure of our next step - but that's where other team members come in, and help each other out
[02:06] <akgraner> and that is awesome!
[02:06]  * cprofitt nods
[02:07] <akgraner> we get angry, we vent, we work it, or not, but in the end it all works out and move out, draw fire, get it done!
[02:07] <cprofitt> yep
[02:07] <cprofitt> I am lucky I have not see too much of the angry parts
[02:07] <akgraner> well I gotta run- cprofitt thanks for the chat - catch you soon!  Have a great night!
[02:08] <cprofitt> sounds good... have a great one
[03:28] <nigelb> akgraner: heya
[06:27] <jono> hey folks
[06:27] <jono> just a quick note, the survey is now released: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-results/
[06:31] <jussi> jono: ooh, thanks
[06:33] <jono> :-)
[06:33] <jono> bed for me
[06:33] <jono> night all!
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <nigelb> Morning!
[07:08] <nigelb> Good weekend?
[07:12] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:12] <dholbach> yeah, how was yours? what did you do?
[07:12] <nigelb> Mine was mostly boring :)
[07:12] <nigelb> But the week should be interesting.
[07:13] <nigelb> Its a holiday/festival week.
[07:13] <dholbach> oh yeah? which one?
[07:13] <nigelb> Diwali
[07:13] <dholbach> nice
[07:14] <dholbach> it's time I get back to India again :)
[07:14] <nigelb> hehe, definitely :)
[09:16] <popey> Good morning.
[09:18] <popey> bkerensa: i suspect your friend may have an EFI laptop and there's nothing wrong with that. I doubt they have secure boot given it has windows 7 on it
[11:33] <dholbach> dpm, I'm just summarising the report I did about ubuntu-dev docs/outreach - there are quite a few answers about app dev as well - I'll give you the suggestions later on
[11:38] <dpm> dholbach, ah, cool, thanks!
[13:00] <jcastro> dholbach: hey did you look through the survey results
[13:05] <nigelb> Mornin jcastro
[13:05] <nigelb> dpm: Hows Orlando?
[13:05] <nigelb> (are you already there?)
[13:06] <jcastro> hi nigel
[13:06] <nigelb> One week to go! :)
[13:06] <dpm> nigelb, not yet, I'll start preparing the red carpet on Wednesday :)
[13:06] <nigelb> dpm: hehe
[13:06] <nigelb> dpm: Don't bother, I won't be there this time :P
[13:06] <jcastro> "the "talkers", that are people that keep talking and talking and
[13:06] <jcastro> causing trouble just to gain some exposure, but they do nothing besides wasting
[13:06] <jcastro> time of the people that are actually doing something"
[13:06] <jcastro> I love this survey
[13:07] <dpm> nigelb, oh, in that case I won't book the limo, either ;)
[13:07] <nigelb> jcastro: I love what they talk about infrastructure
[13:07] <nigelb> Despite all of launchpad and bzr's faults, people love it.
[13:08] <jcastro> " things can move frustratingly slowly. I've been trying to get Sugar integraed intoUbuntu for over 2 years now... no one gives me a reason why not, and no one gives a
[13:08] <jcastro> go ahead"
[13:08] <jcastro> things like this we need more JFDI
[13:08] <nigelb> jcastro: Hey, do you I talk to about the UDS feedback?
[13:08] <nigelb> I want to get the summit stuff in this time as well.
[13:08] <jcastro> I saw a summit session on the schedule
[13:09] <nigelb> jcastro: I meant, the UDS survey.
[13:09] <jcastro> oh
[13:09] <jcastro> that's michelle
[13:09] <nigelb> aha, I'll email her.
[13:10] <jcastro> hahaha
[13:10] <jcastro> someone's response
[13:10] <jcastro> to what's broken in ubuntu, is
[13:10] <jcastro> "some people"
[13:10] <jcastro> that's awesome
[13:11] <nigelb> hehe
[13:11] <nigelb> It is true :D
[13:13] <jcastro> • Calling free software people "gnutards"
[13:14] <jcastro> dholbach: was that you? :)
[13:14] <popey> i have never heard that phrase
[13:14] <jcastro> yes, the proper word is Freetard I believe
[13:14] <popey> indeed
[13:15] <nigelb> Well, its not linux, its GNU/Linux.
[13:15] <nigelb> So, its not Freetard, its gnutard :P
[13:15] <popey> shush
[13:15] <jcastro> Some people of the Desktop Team, who only care about what they're paid for(i.e.gnome, and main). Their idea of handling a transition is somehow interesting
[13:15] <jcastro> (update main packages, and let universe rot because ""they don't have enough
[13:15] <jcastro> manpower"
[13:16] <nigelb> Hey, barry did a python transition day.
[13:16] <nigelb> And alison and colin had something for perl.
[13:19] <dholbach> jcastro, yep, I had a look this morning, but didn't review everything, I skimmed through pages 1-28 only :)
[13:21] <jcastro> "Does not appear that the community at large is on board with the goal/vision ofgetting Ubuntu into the mainstream"
[13:21] <jcastro> heh
[13:23] <jcastro> Weekends when IRC is dead, because all the Canonical employees are at home, andthere's not that many community members filling the gap."
[13:23] <jcastro> I am guilty there
[13:23] <jcastro> probably because I don't like IRC though
[13:24] <jcastro> oh this one is interesting
[13:25] <jcastro> "As a Canonical employee, I tend to often agree a lot with community members and
[13:25] <jcastro> how they feel about things.  But I don't feel like I can say anything in support of their
[13:25] <jcastro> concerns, because it would be a career limiting move to be in dissent with what the
[13:25] <jcastro> design/dx teams want to do.  So I end up saying nothing and just focusing on my
[13:25] <jcastro> work.  (That's kind of a downer too.)  I imagine others I work with are in a similar
[13:25] <jcastro> boat.  The net effect is that important feedback never makes it up the chain, and"
[13:25] <jcastro> "decisions get firmed up on insufficient data, and management ends up getting
[13:25] <jcastro> blindsided by widespread complaints when the thing becomes public; they stick to
[13:25] <jcastro> their guns (since it's hard to change at that point), resulting in more community
[13:25] <jcastro> strife, which further lessens internal feedback, and the problem just snowballs."
[13:28] <nigelb> Nice find.
[13:31] <jcastro> heh nice
[13:31] <jcastro> "Within the forum community, there is an overabundance of negativity. The forumneeds to be injected with a lot of positive energy. Good projects for the forum
[13:31] <jcastro> community to sink their teeth into, positive energy that will help members think and
[13:31] <jcastro> talk about Ubuntu in positive ways. The current nvironment favors negativity due to
[13:31] <jcastro> a largely laissez faire attitude by the forum council, the community council, and Canonical."
[13:31] <jcastro> yeah the forums have become pretty much not very fun to participate in
[13:39] <jcastro> omg
[13:39] <jcastro> I'm in the survey!
[13:40] <jcastro> "It was awesome when Jono, Daniel, and Jorge were really connected to thecommunity aspect back in the day and not just a group of people pushing for Unity this and Unity that."
[13:40] <jcastro> dholbach: hah!
[13:40] <nigelb> Neat.
[13:40] <nigelb> jcastro: heh
[13:41] <popey> fair point
[13:41] <jcastro> :( I've been doing more community user support the past 6 months than my whole 4 years combined.
[13:42] <nigelb> jcastro: They are not talking about user support there.
[13:43] <dholbach> did I push unity somewhere? :)
[13:43] <nigelb> I'm pretty you 3 aren't "that group" :)
[13:44] <jcastro> heh there appears to be one employee who thinks everyone hates him or something
[13:50]  * popey comforts Daviey
[13:51] <jcastro> heh
[13:54]  * AlanBell adds to the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/LocalizedImagesRollout
[13:55] <jcastro> "• Unsubscribe trolls from ubuntu-users faster."
[13:55] <jcastro> there you go popey
[13:55] <jcastro> I have found your calling
[13:59] <popey> :D
[14:05] <jcastro> popey: It would be awesome to do a joke about this
[14:05] <jcastro> like a blog post
[14:05] <jcastro> "due to the amount of beurocracy the project has to deal with, the CC has assigned popey discretionary shut down powers."
[14:05] <Pendulum> jcastro: that's not a calling for popey, that's a fulltime job
[14:08] <nigelb> heh
[14:08] <popey> I hate you all.
[14:09] <jcastro> don't hate, that would be so awesome!
[14:09] <nigelb> popey: We love you too :)
[14:12] <jcastro> dholbach: dpm: when do you guys get to Florida?
[14:15] <sense> jcastro: I have to say, it is good that there is someone like you to push the new technologies. They are cool, they need a chance, but without someone pushing for Unity this and Unity that, no one would look at it at all!
[14:16] <jcastro> well
[14:16] <jcastro> I think people think that we have huge resources for this sort of thing
[14:16] <jcastro> like this guy on jono's blog
[14:17] <jcastro> "No offense, but Ubuntu is the single most widely used distro, and with a development base as wide as Canonical's, they have the man power to both see these changes happening in Gnome, and then fix the ones they don't agree with."
[14:17] <jcastro> which is of course, the total opposite
[14:17] <sense> If you want to have people on top of everything, you will need quite to cancel quite a few ISS trips to pay for it.
[14:18] <jcastro> even if we had double the budget
[14:18] <jcastro> double the people
[14:18] <jcastro> we would still be overwhelmed with work
[14:18] <jcastro> that's just the nature of the beast
[14:18] <sense> Yes, you can't do everything. Frankly, I'm amazed with how much everyone gets done with the complexity that the many communities provide.
[14:18] <sense> I mean, it's a mess!
[14:19] <sense> Like EU politics.
[14:23] <jcastro> let's not get crazy
[14:24] <dpm> jcastro, I get there on Wednesday evening
[14:27] <jcastro> dpm: cool, I'll be there tomorrow
[14:28] <dpm> awesome
[14:30] <dholbach> jcastro, Sunday evening
[14:30] <jcastro> oh nice!
[14:32] <cprofitt> hey jcastro
[14:33] <jcastro> yo
[14:36] <cprofitt> that was some survey... the free form answers take some reading
[14:37] <akgraner> holy crap
[14:37] <akgraner> I never finished the survey or submitted the results yet my answers are in there
[14:37] <cprofitt> a great many pokes at community leaders...
[14:38] <cprofitt> a lot of 'bitter' in some of the responses
[14:38] <cprofitt> there are some 'kernels' of ideas in there that may have some value though
[14:38] <cprofitt> hey akgraner
[14:39] <akgraner> cprofitt, hey
[14:39] <mhall119> cprofitt: that'll be the trick, separating the wheat from the chaff
[14:40] <akgraner> yeah but how'd that happen - I mean I *never* submitted them and I never finished the survey, but those are my free form answers...grrrr
[14:40] <dpm> jcastro, in summit, is it possible to make a session appear in two tracks? I.e. I've got a blueprint that's "app developer community growth", which I'll put in the community track, but I'm wondering if it would make sense for it to be in the "consumer" track as well
[14:40] <mhall119> dpm: it is "possible"
[14:40] <mhall119> but I don't think you'd really get any benefit
[14:41] <dpm> as in "possible but break summit at your own risk"?
[14:42] <cprofitt> lol
[14:42] <mhall119> dpm: yeah, pretty much
[14:42] <cprofitt> that is a good description
[14:43] <cprofitt> mhall119: I want to try to spend some time with you if possible understanding both loco-directory and summit
[14:43] <cprofitt> so perhaps I can help in the future
[14:43] <cprofitt> I hope we can clear a bit of time for it at UDS
[14:43] <mhall119> cprofitt: sure, on IRC or in-person?
[14:43] <dpm> mhall119, no worries. It's good to know :) In any case, I've just been told that the "consumer" track should be ignored. But thanks anyway
[14:43] <cprofitt> in person -- I will be down there
[14:43] <mhall119> dpm: I wouldn't say that too loudly
[14:43] <mhall119> cprofitt: cool
[14:45] <dpm> mhall119, I didn't mean it in a negative sense :), I've just been told that the "consumer" track is not associated with Ubuntu or Linaro rooms, so I should ignore it for now
[14:49] <jcastro> I don't even know what the consumer track is for
[14:49] <dpm> I thought it was for "consumer software", but apparently it isn't
[14:50] <mhall119> jcastro: did you see my email about selecting rooms for the summit schedule?
[14:50] <mhall119> dpm: that's just the way rumors get started ;)
[14:51] <jcastro> mhall119: yeah, looks awesome
[14:51] <jcastro> mhall119: I talked to sean about it in Boston, so I explained how you were going to do it already to him
[14:51] <jcastro> even though you hadn't done it yet
[14:51] <mhall119> cool
[14:51] <jcastro> this way he can customize each screen for that section of the venue
[14:55] <jcastro> does anyone have the guidebook handy?
[14:55] <jcastro> I've published an update
[14:55] <jcastro> and need someone to make sure it gets pushed out
[14:55] <jcastro> (doesn't have to be now, sometime today would be great though)
[14:57] <akgraner> jcastro, I can snag my phone if someone else hasn't
[14:58] <jcastro> Yeah, just whenevs
[14:58] <jcastro> it works on mine but I am hearing reports of it not syncing for some people, etc.
[14:58] <jcastro> so I want to just double check
[14:59] <akgraner> ok phone is rebooting one sec
[15:01] <akgraner> what am I looking for
[15:01] <jcastro> do you have guidebook?
[15:01] <akgraner> yes
[15:02] <akgraner> i'm looking at the schedule
[15:02] <jcastro> ok
[15:02] <jcastro> yeah so basically just spot check it
[15:02] <cprofitt> I got an update for it... but looks good jcastro
[15:03] <akgraner> mine updated as well when I clicked on it
[15:03] <jcastro> awesome, perfect
[15:03] <jcastro> this guidebook stuff is pretty awesome, I am glad we have it
[15:03] <akgraner> are there supposed to be Ubuntu Community sessions showing up after the opening keynotes
[15:04] <jcastro> are they on the normal schedule?
[15:04]  * akgraner looks
[15:05] <jcastro> looks missing to me
[15:05] <jcastro> a bunch look missing to me
[15:05] <akgraner> well that answers my question :-) - there are still a lot of open slots
[15:07]  * jcastro will mail guidebook now
[15:11] <jcastro> mhall119: hey before I mail these guys
[15:11] <jcastro> how can I check that the ical is working on summit?
[15:13] <nigelb> heh, nice post by Jeff Atwood.
[15:15] <mhall119> jcastro: load it in a calendar program, or download it and view it yourself
[15:15] <mhall119> jcastro: I have it in thunderbird, it's showing more sessions there than in Guidebook last time I checked
[15:16] <jcastro> mhall119: ok let me start over
[15:16] <jcastro> mhall119: hey, I'm a moron, where's the ical feed?
[15:17] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p.ical
[15:17] <jcastro> TA!
[15:17] <mhall119> np
[15:17] <mhall119> did you give them a personal ical feed or something?
[15:18] <jcastro> I don't think so
[15:18] <mhall119> maybe a track feed?
[15:23] <jcastro> aha!
[15:23] <jcastro> our ical feed isn't validating
[15:23] <jcastro> (I also sent them a mail)
[15:26] <cprofitt> morning jono
[15:26] <cprofitt> morning ara
[15:26] <cprofitt> oops... quit message... not join
[15:26] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:26] <jono> hey cprofitt
[15:26]  * cprofitt slaps head
[15:26] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:27] <akgraner> jono - thanks for getting the survey results out - that was *a lot* of information to compile!
[15:27] <jono> akgraner, thanks! yeah, it basically sucked up my entire weekend
[15:27] <jono> but I feel it was worth it
[15:27] <cprofitt> yes, thanks jono. I am still parsing the raw comments
[15:27] <jono> provides some good content for the leadership mini-conf
[15:28] <jono> I am registering other sessions to discuss those topics today
[15:28] <jono> dpm, about set?
[15:31] <mhall119> jcastro: isn't validating? what does that mean?
[15:31] <jcastro> I put it in an ical validator and I get an error
[15:31] <mhall119> oh?
[15:31] <jcastro> though that can't be it, otherwise it wouldn't work in other tools
[15:31] <mhall119> other tools may be more forgiving
[15:31] <jcastro> http://severinghaus.org/projects/icv/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsummit.ubuntu.com%2Fuds-p.ical
[15:31] <mhall119> what was the error?
[15:32] <nigelb> We break the spec slightly.
[15:32] <nigelb> BUt its allowed breakage.
[15:32] <jcastro> well I asked them to look into it
[15:32] <jcastro> I am just pointing it out
[15:32] <nigelb> Aha.
[15:32] <nigelb> It should be X-Etherpad
[15:32] <mhall119> oh, looks like multi-line description is the problem?
[15:32] <jcastro> their thing worked before, I suspect someone zigged instead of zagged
[15:33] <jcastro> who added the multi line description?
[15:33] <jcastro> please say popey
[15:33] <nigelb> linaro?
[15:33] <mhall119> description importing is something new this cycle
[15:33] <nigelb> mhall119: wait, what are you talking about newline?
[15:33] <nigelb> Cause: Caused by: Illegal property [ETHERPAD @ HTTP]
[15:36] <mhall119> nigelb: nigelb Etherpad isn't one of our properties, that line is part of the Description
[15:36] <nigelb> mhall119: Ah. Ew.
[15:36] <mhall119> but, because it's on it's own line and doesn't start with a space, it's not following the ical spec
[15:36] <nigelb> So, we need to do a replace.
[15:37] <mhall119> jcastro: please file a bug and I'll work up a fix
[15:37] <jcastro> k
[15:37] <nigelb> let me see if I can spare some time.
[15:37] <nigelb> I need to be up late to restart some services anyway.
[15:42] <mhall119> nigelb: I have a fix already
[15:42] <nigelb> mhall119: Damn, you're fast :)
[15:42] <nigelb> I can review at least :)
[15:47] <jcastro> ok guidebook guys are checking it now
[15:47] <jcastro> <--- lunchin' bbl
[15:58] <jono> mhall119, loved your blog post btw :-)
[15:59] <jono> mhall119, cjohnston did you register a BP does loco.ubuntu.com topics for UDS?
[16:01] <nigelb> jono: He did
[16:01] <nigelb> jono: its called LTP I think
[16:01] <nigelb> jono: do you want a link to it?
[16:01] <jono> nigelb, awesome
[16:01] <nigelb> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-ltp
[16:02] <mhall119> nigelb: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/ical-safe-description/+merge/80232
[16:02] <mhall119> james_w: ^^
[16:03] <jono> awesome
[16:05] <akgraner> jono - have you seen all the work being done by a handful of people on BuildingCommunity - it's pretty cool - also the list for Leadership Summit Topics is growing woot woot!
[16:05] <jono> akgraner, indeed :-)
[16:06] <sense> LOL Someone in the survey is demotivated by "The vibrant community'. :D
[16:06] <jono> sense, :-)
[16:06] <jono> I hate vibrant communities
[16:06] <akgraner> yeah they hurt my eyes - maybe we should all wear sunglasses while participating
[16:06] <akgraner> :-P
[16:07] <jono> haha
[16:07] <akgraner> there are some really interesting answers in there
[16:08] <maco> im amused by the "Kubuntu" answer to the best bit of canonical interaction with the community
[16:08] <maco> particularly since kubuntu's kind off in its own little corner
[16:08] <maco> riddell likes the answer a page down that names him :P
[16:09] <jono> jcastro, can you do me a favor?
[16:09] <jono> and register our community track roundtables
[16:09] <jono> first session of each day
[16:09] <akgraner> nigelb, guess what - you know those python scripts I was having troubles with and had to have you run for me - guess who figured them out :-)
[16:10] <nigelb> akgraner: You did.
[16:10] <nigelb> :D
[16:10]  * akgraner was giddy with excitement about them.....
[16:10] <akgraner> now if I can just learn to write my own....
[16:11] <dholbach> ok, I'm done with my own survey now
[16:12] <dholbach> all answers reviewed and codified
[16:12] <dholbach> tomorrow I'll write up the summaries and get it out
[16:12] <dholbach> lots of great suggestions
[16:13] <dholbach> some were a bit less practical though
[16:13] <dholbach> as an answer how we could make Ubuntu development easier, more understandable and more exciting, somebody suggested "more sex" - I hope everybody will excuse my lack of accuracy since I listed it under N/A
[16:15] <jono> dholbach, awesome :-)
[16:15] <dholbach> jono, I was sure you'd agree with "more sex"
[16:16] <jono> dholbach, with dholbach, of course
[16:16] <jono> lol
[16:16] <jono> ok...that was creepy :-)
[16:16] <dholbach> maybe I'll list it under "out of scope" instead
[16:16] <dholbach> just to see how many take the time to read the whole report ;-)
[16:16] <jono> haha
[16:17] <jono> dholbach, I am going to publish the accomplishments work this week too
[16:17] <jono> I registered a UDS session so we can discuss it
[16:18] <jono> I think it fits neatly into the recognizing contributions category of discussion
[16:18] <dholbach> let's talk about it in our call in 12m?
[16:22] <mhall119> jcastro: please let Guidebook know that a fix is in the works
[16:25] <mhall119> nigelb: would you mind forcing tarmac to do it's magic on summit?
[16:30] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[16:30] <dholbach> yep
[16:30] <dholbach> are we going to hang out?
[16:30] <jono> firing up the hangout
[16:30] <dholbach> alright
[16:32] <akgraner> jcastro - how's this for a lightning talk "So you think you want your family member involved in Ubuntu?" - Joint talk with Pete and I  - hahahaha
[16:32] <akgraner> I laugh b/c you should here pete's comments at the moment to that suggestion
[16:33] <mhall119> lol
[16:33] <Pendulum> haha
[16:33] <Pendulum> akgraner: isn't the answer "Don't"? :P (at least from his perspective ;-) )
[16:36] <cprofitt> Pendulum: my wife is happy I am involved with Ubuntu
[16:36] <cprofitt> then again she is a wonderful and supportive women
[16:39] <akgraner> Pendulum, yep :-)
[16:39] <akgraner> Pete is supportive until I am Ubuntu 24/7
[16:39] <akgraner> without ceasing
[16:40] <cprofitt> my wife does Civil War Geneology and I support her... and she is very supportive of my involvement in Ubuntu
[16:40] <cprofitt> I am not sure, with three kids, if she would allow 24/7... but I get a lot of time
[16:41] <akgraner> cprofitt, I've talked about Ubuntu so much since 2009 that my family leaves the room now when I talk about it after 6pm
[16:41] <akgraner> did you see the signs my daughter did at SELF?
[16:42] <sense> Maybe the lightning talk is something for her!
[16:42] <akgraner> um no - that would be a comedy routine of epic proportion
[16:42] <maco> akgraner: if you see my mommy on irc, tell her i'm hungry?
[16:42] <akgraner> I would die of embarrassment
[16:43] <akgraner> maco, sadly that is based in truth
[16:43] <maco> i know, she said it to pete, right?
[16:44] <jcastro> jono: yeah doing those today at some point
[16:44] <mhall119> jcastro: summit ical has been fixed
[16:44] <mhall119> IS just pushed the update, http://severinghaus.org/projects/icv/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsummit.ubuntu.com%2Fuds-p.ical confirms
[16:44] <akgraner> no another person - but the message got to pete  - he was out of town when she first said it
[16:44] <jcastro> I needed to sort the thing with making it use the same blueprint
[16:44] <jcastro> mhall119: oh awesome!
[16:44] <jcastro> mhall119: I'm not sure if that's what breaks guidebook but making it validate can't hurt
[16:45] <mhall119> true, but it's probably what did it
[16:46] <jono> jcastro, thanks
[16:46] <jcastro> mhall119: ok so, I've got the main roundtable blueprint
[16:46] <jcastro> and it's scheduled
[16:48] <jcastro> but I need to make multiple sessions but use the same blueprint
[16:48] <jcastro> so do I create the other 4 in the admin UI by hand and then just put the same BP field?
[16:52] <nigelb> mhall119: ping
[16:52] <nigelb> I thought you wre supposed to replace \n with \r\n
[16:52] <nigelb> Not \r with \r\n
[17:05] <mhall119> nigelb: we're supposed to replace \n *or* \r\n with \N
[17:05] <cprofitt> what are you looking for new line?
[17:06] <mhall119> jcastro: that would work, yes
[17:06] <jcastro> ok so that won't break anything right?
[17:06] <jcastro> multiple sessions pointing to one blueprint?
[17:06] <nigelb> mhall119: ok.
[17:06] <mhall119> jcastro: uh.........no....
[17:06] <jcastro> nigelb: ok, if I break this ....
[17:06] <jcastro> I want witnesses. :)
[17:06] <nigelb> If it breaks... "jcastro broke summit"
[17:06] <mhall119> I'm 83% sure it won't break
[17:06] <jcastro> I know it
[17:07] <mhall119> until lpupdate runs
[17:07] <nigelb> It *may* break for autoschedule.
[17:07] <nigelb> So, make sure everything is manually sceduled.
[17:07] <mhall119> yeah, that's where I'm concerned
[17:09] <jcastro> it's ok I will manually schedule each one
[17:09] <jcastro> it's for the community roundtables
[17:09] <mhall119> jcastro: it looks like it'll stop updating from LP is more than one meeting has the same blueprint
[17:09] <mhall119> jcastro: I think this should be one meeting, with multiple agenda items
[17:09] <jcastro> what will, the session? Or the entire thing?
[17:10] <mhall119> I think james_w was doing this for something else
[17:10] <jcastro> ok how do I do that?
[17:10] <mhall119> jcastro: manage.py lpupdate will skip updating any meetings for that blueprint
[17:10] <jcastro> oh ok
[17:10] <mhall119> jcastro: manually create agenda items, I think
[17:10] <mhall119> in the admin  UI
[17:19] <jcastro> mhall119: I don't see "agenda" anywhere in the record
[17:19] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/meeting/19441/
[17:19] <dholbach> alright my friends - end of the day over here
[17:20] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:20] <cprofitt> see ya dholbach
[17:20] <dholbach> bye :)
[17:22] <mhall119> jcastro: it's not part of the Meeting reocrd
[17:23] <jcastro> donde is it?
[17:23] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/agenda/
[17:23] <jcastro> I mean "where is it" of course. :)
[17:24] <mhall119> jcastro: I know that much spanish
[17:27] <jcastro> ok so where can I find these mythical agenda things you guys keep talking about?
[17:40] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/agenda/
[17:41] <maco> jcastro: did you just get off the phone with tu mamá or has florida caught up with you?
[17:41] <jcastro> I've just been practicing
[17:49] <czajkowski> I can haz new job as a writer for an open source magazne and online site
[17:49] <czajkowski> aka writing about open source for a living
[17:50] <cprofitt> congrats czajkowski
[17:51] <cprofitt> has to be nice to be able to make a living from working in something related to Open Source
[17:51] <akgraner> czajkowski, congrats!
[17:52] <akgraner> which magazine?  curious minds want to know :-)
[17:52] <czajkowski> wont be writing about ubuntu
[17:52] <jussi> czajkowski: congrats... Im sure youll be evil... err great :P (no, really, awesome news to hear, hope things go really well there)
[17:52] <czajkowski> conflict of interest so will write about anything else
[17:53] <czajkowski> we did agree that at the offer unless there is something i realy really really wanna write about
[17:53] <czajkowski> so tday was iron pyton chrome 17 http and last week was blender
[17:53] <czajkowski> so tis something new
[17:53] <cprofitt> yes, which magazine? Linux Journal?
[17:54] <czajkowski> h-online
[17:54] <czajkowski> .com
[17:54] <czajkowski> the english version of the german magazine
[17:54] <czajkowski> we also translate their articles and vice versa
[17:54] <cprofitt> nice... you have exposed me to a new source of information
[17:54] <cprofitt> thanks
[17:55] <pleia2> czajkowski: congrats!
[17:55] <jussi> czajkowski: awesome, in you they both get a good writer plus lots of readers who will read just to see your article.
[17:55] <pleia2> we pull from h-online for UWN often
[17:55] <cprofitt> yeah, let them know I just bookmarked their site so I could follow your articles
[17:55] <jussi> I didnt even know it existed.
[17:57] <jono> jcastro, can we punt our meeting back a bit
[17:57] <jono> I am wrapping up a few things here
[17:57] <jcastro> sure
[17:57] <jono> czajkowski, congrats!
[17:59] <popey> congrats czajkowski !
[18:03] <akgraner> hi all leadership team meeting in -meeting about to take place
[18:04] <czajkowski> niow for pizza and beer wth the bf
[18:04] <czajkowski> nn
[18:10] <bkerensa> =o
[18:10] <dpm> jcastro, do you know if we need to set the "Series goal" for blueprints to appear on the schedule, or it doesn't matter as long as a track lead approves it?
[18:10] <jcastro> series doesn't matter afaict
[18:10] <dpm> cool, thanks jcastro
[18:51] <jono> hi folks
[18:51] <jono> first blog post on post-survey next steps: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-next-steps-leadership/
[18:51] <jono> thoughts and suggestions welcome!
[18:51] <cprofitt> will read soon jono
[18:53] <jono> thanks cprofitt
[18:54] <cprofitt> it looks good jono, do you want to throw up a link to the blueprint for UDS?
[18:54] <jono> which blueprint?
[18:55] <jono> there is no BP for the leadership summit
[18:56] <jono> ok lunch time for me
[18:56] <jono> back soon!
[18:56] <cprofitt> jono: alright... I thought there was a blueprint.
[18:56] <cprofitt> enjoy lunch
[19:01] <akgraner> jono jcastro I added teaching mediums  to the leadership summit :-)
[19:01] <akgraner> oh and I put y'alls name on it
[19:03] <cprofitt> teaching mediums?
[19:03] <cprofitt> crystal balls :-)
[19:03] <cprofitt> tarrot cards :-)
[19:14] <jcastro> mhall119: it must have been the feed, the update works now
[19:14] <mhall119> \o/
[19:14] <jcastro> akgraner: can you check the schedule on your phone again?
[19:14] <jcastro> mhall119: can you add a test to validate the field?
[19:14] <mhall119> jcastro: older ical feeds are broken now though
[19:14] <jcastro> er, the feed I mean
[19:15] <jcastro> which ones?
[19:15] <mhall119> jcastro: I added a test case to make sure the description field is having newlines converted, as per the ical spec
[19:15] <mhall119> jcastro: I got an email about a karmic ical
[19:15] <cprofitt> I am seeing community stuff now jcastro
[19:15] <mhall119> specifically, any older summit's ical, since their meetings didn't have description fields
[19:15] <jcastro> oh
[19:16] <jcastro> I don't care about that, that event is over. :)
[19:16] <mhall119> yeah, still good to fix, but that can wait until after UDS-P
[19:16] <cprofitt> ?
[19:17] <jcastro> cprofitt: he's saying it breaks older UDS calendars
[19:17] <mhall119> hey jcastro, can you see if they can update their mobile app to accept a secondary ical feed to fill the "My Schedule" data?
[19:17] <jcastro> but those are finished
[19:17] <cprofitt> k
[19:17] <jcastro> yeah let me see
[19:18] <cprofitt> jcastro: so for uds-p I see community sessions now, which I believe were missing earlier
[19:18] <jcastro> yeah
[19:18] <jcastro> like half the schedule was missing actually
[19:19] <jcastro> mhall119: it seems tied into their app when you select a session to have to your feed
[19:21] <jcastro> it doesn't do what you'd think it would do
[19:21] <jcastro> also, they have tracks in the app
[19:21] <jcastro> we just don't use them
[19:22]  * jcastro messes with it
[19:22] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, they have it built-in, but if we have that in LP subscriptions already, and we're exposing it in personal icals already, it's a pain to have to re-subscribe on their mobile app
[19:24] <jcastro> yeah
[19:24] <jcastro> man
[19:24] <jcastro> I didn't know there was so mucb bickering going on
[19:24] <jcastro> I guess we need a session for it? o_O
[19:26] <maco> referring to the "community bickering" part of the survey?
[19:30] <cprofitt> going to head home; then cub scout meeting tonight
[19:30] <cprofitt> talk with you all later tonight
[19:30] <jcastro> maco: yeah
[19:30]  * maco suspects she contributed to that
[19:36]  * popey hugs jcastro 
[19:36] <jcastro> popey: is that like, for an official capacity? that project I mean
[19:36] <popey> its a private project
[19:36] <popey> will be made public at some poiunnt
[19:36] <popey> once its tested
[19:37] <popey> the client is open source
[19:38] <popey> the idea is that it can scale up using the cloud :D
[19:38] <jcastro> cute
[19:38] <popey> so if lots of people use it at once, it spins up EC2 instances and farms new users out to that
[19:39] <nigelb> I know what project popey's talking about :D
[19:39] <popey> heh
[19:39] <nigelb> heh, I was thinking of asking popey abuot it earlier today ;)
[19:39] <jcastro> popey: is this for canonical or standalone?
[19:40] <popey> it wasn't developed for or by canonical :D
[19:40] <jcastro> oh
[19:40] <jcastro> ok
[19:40] <nigelb> popey -- "He can create things too, not just shutdown"
[19:40] <popey> hah
[19:40]  * nigelb ducks
[19:40] <jcastro> hehehe
[19:40] <jcastro> "Tell me Dr. Freeman, what is it you've created, all you do is destroy."
[19:40] <popey> it's yin and yang though, for new stuff to be created, you just _have_ to destroy something else
[19:41]  * jcastro wonders who will get that reference
[19:41] <popey> o/
[19:41] <popey> love that game
[19:41] <jcastro> though you know empathy has built in desktop sharing with NAT busting ootb right?
[19:41] <popey> pffffft
[19:41] <popey> empathy schmempathy ;)
[19:42] <jcastro> "right, but who can get THAT to work."
[20:01] <pleia2> note to self: don't read all of the "what do you find demotivating" stuff all at once
[20:01] <pleia2> I need a drink :)
[20:01] <cprofitt> that was a great deal to read
[20:02] <cprofitt> and it is difficult to know what has weight vs. what was just bitter
[20:04] <nigelb> pleia2: :)
[20:21] <jono> jcastro, quick call?
[20:22] <jcastro> jono: yep
[20:22] <jcastro> G+ ME!
[20:22] <czajkowski> pizza and willy wonka and the chocolate factory is an awesome way to spend an evening
[20:22] <jono> btw, I added a bickering session at UDS
[20:22] <jono> jcastro, one sec
[20:22] <jcastro> I saw
[20:26] <jono> jcastro, invite sent
[20:26] <akgraner> jcastro, now you are quoting half-life 2 jeez....
[20:26] <akgraner> I worry about the stuff you watch and listen too....you need some easy listening
[20:27] <akgraner> and rainbows and sunshine in your life
[20:29] <akgraner> If you start quoting Quake, Doom, Grand theft auto, or black ops - I'm putting you in a room with my son
[20:30] <akgraner> jcastro - my son just said, "mom leave the guy alone and can I have my controllers back"  :-/
[20:34] <mhall119> lol
[20:36] <nigelb> akgraner: I'm worried that you recognized the Half-Life 2 quote.
[20:36] <nigelb> jcastro, mhall119 ^
[20:37] <mhall119> nigelb: I always knew she was more geek than me
[20:38] <nigelb> mhall119: No doubts there. I knew as well.
[20:38] <nigelb> mhall119: She writes python now. Shall we hand over summit?
[20:38] <mhall119> sssshh, you're not supposed to let them know it's coming
[20:38] <mhall119> otherwise they run
[20:38] <nigelb> Drat, sorry!
[20:40] <jcastro> did someone say amber is taking over summit?
[20:41] <nigelb> heh
[20:42] <akgraner> noooooooooo
[20:43] <akgraner> jcastro, don't listen to them....
[20:43] <jcastro> too late
[20:43] <jcastro> i've handed over the launchpad creds to your account
[20:43] <nigelb> haha
[20:43] <akgraner> :-P
[20:43] <nigelb> mhall119: Success! ^
[20:43] <mhall119> yay, new project lead!
[20:44] <mhall119> hopefully she'll write more summit code this cycle than our last one :P
[20:44] <nigelb> heh
[20:44] <akgraner> :-P
[20:45] <mhall119> by "last one" I meant last project lead, not last cycle
[20:45] <nigelb> hah
[20:45] <mhall119> but I love you both
[20:45] <akgraner> I wanted to become more technical when someone told my frustration comes from my lack of technical ability...so all that did was fuel the fire :-)
[20:45] <mhall119> akgraner: cool, then your frustration can come from your technical abilities, just like the rest of us ;)
[20:46] <akgraner> mhall119, you just wait til I ask you all my python questions at UDS
[20:46] <akgraner> I am saving them
[20:47] <mhall119> heh
[20:47] <akgraner> and all my juju and charms questions I am saving for jcastro
[20:47] <czajkowski> oh started to learn python a few weeks back
[20:47] <czajkowski> finaly starting to make sense
[20:47] <mhall119> akgraner: there's a juju charm school session
[20:47] <akgraner> mhall119, hahaha
[20:47] <czajkowski> beats the days I had to do object oriented C++ and java programming and I HATED IT
[20:47] <czajkowski> HATE.JAVA!
[20:47] <mhall119> actually "charm school" really should be the name of that session
[20:48] <akgraner> my name and charm school in the same sentence - now that is freakin funny
[20:48] <mhall119> "Amber's Charm School: Now y'all shut up and listen"
[20:49] <akgraner> mhall119, yep that's about the way it would work
[20:49] <akgraner> and emma janes book for Drupal users is awesome
[21:28] <akgraner> jcastro, woo hoo - signing more people up for the trello leadership board :-)
[21:32]  * jcastro trellos
[21:46] <akgraner> jcastro, is that a verb now?
[21:47]  * mhall119 proposes making "jcastro" a verb
[21:47] <mhall119> as in, "I just totally jcastroed that wiki page"
[21:48] <mhall119> or "Stand back, I'm about to jcastro the summit server!"
[21:49] <mhall119> or "Hey man, I was totally plastered last night and accidentally jcastroed, now I need a place to hide a body"
[21:50] <akgraner> mhall119, +1
[21:50] <mhall119> jcastro: v, any vaguely ominous action
[21:51] <akgraner> jcastro, is not a robot and a verb
[21:51] <akgraner> nwo
[21:51] <akgraner> now
[21:51] <akgraner> dang it
[21:51] <mhall119> lol
[21:51] <mhall119> you totally jcastroed that joke
[21:52] <jcastro> lolz
[21:55] <mhall119> on a side note, "Vaguely Ominous" could be the name of the next Severed Fifth album
[22:09] <AlanBell> 11.10 should have been Ominous Ocelot
[22:09] <AlanBell> ..
[22:09] <jcastro> I am become ocelot, bringer of ominousness
[22:11] <AlanBell> the precursor to Portentious Pangolin
[22:21] <jono> mhall119, lol
[22:22] <jono> album cover: http://i.imgur.com/xoO2l.jpg
[22:26] <mhall119> czajkowski: lol
[22:27] <mhall119> jono I mean
[22:28]  * mhall119 will attempt to blame that on tab-complete somehow
[22:29]  * pleia2 peers down at keyboard and doesn't buy it
[22:29] <mhall119> they're both on the same side of the keyboard
[22:29] <mhall119> the top
[22:30] <pleia2> just tell people you're using dvorak and they're next to each other (they aren't but who knows dvorak?)
[22:30] <mhall119> heh, good point
[22:31] <maco> haha
[23:19] <akgraner> hey jono how many of the leadership posts based on the survey are you going to post this week
[23:19] <akgraner> I'm trying to figure out if it needs it's own header in the newsletter
[23:24] <akgraner> also I'm going to need someone with a critical eye to proof UWN on Sunday - so if anyone wants to be a drive by proofer please let me know b/c I'll need to publish UWN before UDS kicks off Monday morning
[23:25] <akgraner> AlanBell, I told jcastro I was writing down all the advice he gives - and we were going to create the Gospel according to jcastro
[23:26] <akgraner> at the top of the list - Just do sh&t :-)
[23:33]  * bkerensa is waiting for Jono to blog about his Costco trips
[23:33] <bkerensa> :D
[23:34] <bkerensa> OMG! Costco!
[23:36] <jono> akgraner, just one on leadership
[23:41] <akgraner> ok - this week is going to be crazy in terms of getting UWN in out  - so I'm just prepping as much as possible
[23:41] <akgraner> thanks jono!
[23:55] <jono> akgraner, no, thank you!
[23:55] <jono> bkerensa, lol
[23:56] <akgraner> jono I saw your tweet about pwgraner and sil - should I be worried ;-P
[23:56] <bkerensa> =]
[23:56] <bkerensa> jono: I was able to smoke some Canonical employees out of the woods for the release party
[23:56] <bkerensa> Steve Langasek and Adam Gandelman showed
[23:56] <bkerensa> :D