[01:37] Hm. ?Disc has a few bad sectors?. That could, perhaps, trigger some sort of warning, rather than waiting around until I check why everything's going mental. [01:52] RAOF, the hdd can have a few bad sectors without it being an immediate crisis. it can continue to perform fine for years afterwards [01:53] bjsnider: It would, however, be polite for our tools to pop up a little ?oh, by the way, we've detected errors on your harddrive? message the first time it happens. [01:55] the system could also show the user everything that's in .xsession-errors and dmesg [01:56] It could, but that happens *enormously* more often than my disc increasing its bad sector count by 16. [01:56] by the way... [01:57] you need to replace that drive right now [01:57] i'm sure you already knew that [01:59] Yeah. [01:59] Which is why it'd be polite for our desktop environment to give me a heads up. [02:00] does osx do that? [02:00] RAOF: palimpsest doesn't do a popup like that any more? [02:00] jbicha: Apparently not. [02:00] in some cases windows will ask the user to do a chkdsk when it detects disk errors [02:01] I have 7 bad sectors, hope it's not too big of a deal [02:01] palimpsest is to difficult for average users to understand [02:01] jbicha, as long as it isn't increasing [02:02] the sectors will be marked and the system will not try to use them anymore [03:03] I thought one got a pop-up with drives that had bad sectors. I remember connecting a drive externally a while back, and discvoered through a pop-up that it had bad sectors... [04:03] during the karmic cycle there were bugs reported where people complained about a lot of false positives, and then a new release quieted the warnings down to the point where you're only warned "if the disk is really failing", so perhaps a few bad sectors isn't bad enough to produce the warning [04:04] that was bug 412152 [04:04] Launchpad bug 412152 in gnome-disk-utility "gnome-disk-utility nags me too much that my disk is failing" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412152 [04:17] Interesting, because I ran a scan on the disk and it did have bad sectors. [04:19] Good morning [04:22] i don't think bad sectors alone is enough to generate the warning message anymore, but it was in karmic [04:30] pitti: good morning! could we get bug 878672 looked at? [04:30] Launchpad bug 878672 in gnome-shell "[SRU] Please upgrade gnome-shell and mutter to 3.2.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878672 [04:31] yeah, that would be cool [04:32] jbicha: ah, there they are; I wanted to sponsor branches on Friday, but the LP search for branches timed out, and they weren't on the pad [04:32] jbicha: yes, can do [04:33] pitti: oh ok :) [04:34] err, what? [04:34] $ bzr branch lp:ubuntu/oneiric/mutter [04:34] bzr: ERROR: Revision {martin.pitt@canonical.com-20110928045929-gjsb9pcy1rq0l1i2} not present in "Graph(StackedParentsProvider(bzrlib.repository._LazyListJoin(([CachingParentsProvider(None)], []))))". [04:34] ubuntu:oneiric/gnome-shell works fine [04:35] and lp:ubuntu/mutter is out of date [04:36] ah, but seems you do carry 3.2.0-0ubuntu2 in your branch [04:38] jbicha: why does g-shell bump the dh compat? [04:39] pitti: just because, we could drop that change if you like [04:40] jbicha: better for an SRU to not change the build system [04:42] jbicha: ok, I'll revert it in the merge [04:42] pitti: ok, thank you [04:43] jbicha: ok, both sponsored, thanks! [04:59] i'd like to see the user-menu status bug fixed if there's a patch available [05:00] bjsnider: which bug? [05:01] the status-menu will not change to online unless the user manually sets it. it's a missing feature [05:01] i've been bugging them about it [05:02] that's how empathy gets its status, so it has implications outside gnome-shell too [05:03] i'm not 100% sure what the eta is, or how trivial a change it would be [05:03] bjsnider: well the first time should be manual, right? [05:04] no, it should be based on mouse/keyboard use, just like the screensaver and whatnot [05:05] right now, mine says away, even though i'm obviously using the system [05:06] this fix in 3.2.1 helps some, right? http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=2947b921489937e6fb8ea8d9634510585b78bcc0 [05:07] probably not, since the session is always at away or unavailable unless the user directly intervenes [05:08] they told me this week that it's a feature not yet implemented. at least i think that's what they were saying [05:08] i wanted to know about 3.2.1, because i thought maybe it was fixed there, but it isn't [05:08] that sounds more appropriate for 3.3 [05:09] well, i have no idea how trivial a change it is [05:09] maybe it's a few lines, maybe it's a lot more than that [05:10] i mean we're only talking about changing the status to online. the status area works otherwise. the other status options are implemented [05:12] jbicha, there's a sushi 2.1 now. a few small changes. nothing that would affect the packaging scripts in any way [05:19] bjsnider: would you like to open an SRU bug for it? the text file preview toolbar fix would be good to have [05:20] yeah, that's fine. i already built local packages and installed them. no problems arise, so it's safe [05:21] don't know what's holding up 848198 either. those patches fix two bugs. [05:24] bjsnider: why don't you propose an update with a bzr branch or at least a debdiff? [05:26] what do i do with the debdiff? [05:27] do i post it on the bug page? [05:51] Dear lord gnome-desktop is a big fan of grabbing the server, querying the current mode, and then setting *exactly the same mode* over and over again. [05:52] We're lucky the driver doesn't blindly modeset each time it's asked. [07:19] RAOF: hi Chris, with respect to bug 820327 I wanted to let you know that in LVM's Ubuntu deployment I removed 10_fn-F7.patch from gsd as it made fn-f7 jump to the wrong display setting and caused the virtual desktops (bottom right) to show wrong areas, maybe it needs to be dropped here as well [07:19] Launchpad bug 820327 in gnome-settings-daemon "Fn+F7 cycling gives external monitor incorrect resolution on Thinkpad x220" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820327 [07:27] good morning everyone [07:28] morning [07:28] hey chrisccoulson [07:28] hi pitti, how are you? [07:28] chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! how about you? [07:29] pitti - yeah, good thanks. although, i feel a bit sleepy this morning [08:20] G'Morning Desktoppers! [08:22] hey Sweetshark [08:22] i'm rewriting ubufox atm to drop the apturl dependency, and also stop using http://mozilla-pfs.ubuntu.com/. is there actually a way to search for packages providing a particular mimetype? [08:23] morning [08:23] i had a look at sessioninstaller, but i'm not sure it does what i want [08:31] hi huats [08:32] mvo, you there? [08:33] morning [08:34] chrisccoulson: yes [08:34] hey rickspencer3 ! [08:34] hi mvo. did you see my earlier comments there? [08:34] chrisccoulson: no, sorry, could you please paste it again? [08:35] rickspencer3, I am not at the office today (giving a course to students) but be there tomorrow, so you are welcome to join us ! [08:35] mvo - i'm trying to figure out the best way of searching for packages providing a particular mimetype [08:35] this is in the context of ubufox, which i'm currently rewriting to stop using https://mozilla-pfs.ubuntu.com/ and no longer depend on apturl [08:35] huats, sounds good, but I'm leaving today! [08:35] (for the plugin finder) [08:35] Munich for Qt Dev Days tomorrow, then Orlando! [08:36] rickspencer3, oh I forgot about the Qt thing :( [08:36] and i took a look at sessioninstaller, thinking it might do what i want, but then i realized it probably won't [08:36] huats, I plan to come way more after FL, so we can speak more French :) [08:36] chrisccoulson: the xapian db we use has this info, software-center search:mime:text/html should work for example [08:36] chrisccoulson: currently the startup speed is not ideal, but we are working to improve that [08:36] rickspencer3, hum we will speak french i Florida ! [08:37] I hope so! [08:37] huats, I go for days here without speaking any French :( [08:37] I'll probably have more chance in FL than in France :) [08:38] mvo - one thing i'm trying to avoid is depending on an external UI like software-center for this. the reason being that if we don't have a plugin to handle a specific mimetype in our archive, i want to fall back to using https://pfs.mozilla.org to query upstreams db [08:38] and i want to do that transparently really, with a single UI [08:38] rickspencer3, indeed ! [08:38] chrisccoulson: aha, ok, so you need a commandline helper or dbus helper that just provides you the info? [08:39] rickspencer3, and we'll work on your french ! you have a talk to give at the end of november ! [08:39] mvo - possibly, if that's the best way to go :) [08:39] indeed! [08:39] mvo - i was thinking of using the information shipped with app-install-data, but i probably need an extra field in the desktop files [08:39] chrisccoulson: if you let me know what exactly you need, we (software-center guys) can provide it. well, instead of spawning a helper you could talk to the xapian db directly, depends really on what you need/want :) does your requirements include e.g. rating info? [08:39] mvo - i'm not too concerned about ratings info [08:39] chrisccoulson: extra field should be fine, what is it used for? [08:42] mvo - we want to associate mimetypes to plugin packages, but the existing MimeType field isn't really appropriate for that as we don't want, eg, the adobe flashplugin to appear as a handler for local flash files [08:43] that wouldn't work, as there's not really an executable to handle that [08:43] so i was thinking of having an extra mimetype field just for browser plugin mimetypes [08:43] ok [08:45] mvo, does that make sense? :) [08:45] i just want to make sure that i'm not completely crazy ;) [08:48] chrisccoulson: yeah, that sounds fine, we just need to make sure that the mime-type can be extracted sanely for the plugins. how many plugins are we actually talking about? [08:48] chrisccoulson: didn't you guys pushed most of the plugins out of the archive previously? [08:48] mvo - i'm not too sure, it's not many though. i think it's in the order of ~10 packages [08:49] mvo - we pushed extensions out, but we still have browser plugins (eg, totem, flash, vlc etc) [08:50] chrisccoulson: aha. ok. would be nice if we could integrate the plugin info query into the lp:app-archive code [08:50] chrisccoulson: is there going to be a uds session about it? [08:50] mvo - i wasn't planning one. do you think we should have one? [08:51] chrisccoulson: not really, just wanted to double check :) [08:51] heh [09:26] rickspencer3, yo [09:27] rickspencer3, before u do more work on stealth maybe we can merge it with bzr branch lp:activity-log-manager [09:27] please try it out [10:32] gah, stupid ISP [10:33] and that's probably the worst time to discover that my 3G dongle doesn't work on oneiric [10:33] chrisccoulson: tether from your phone, and use the usb-ethernet? [10:33] pitti - that's what i've resorted to ;) [10:33] after trying to get my 3G dongle to work, but it's totally broken in oneiric :( [10:34] chrisccoulson: your new machine doesn't have a builtin 3G and sim card? [10:34] sim card holder, anyway [10:34] pitti - i think i saw a sim card holder when i took the whole thing apart last week [10:34] i didn't actually think about sticking my sim card in it though [10:34] perhaps i should try [10:35] chrisccoulson: the builtin antenna of my laptop is some ten times better than an usb stick (and takes much less power, too) [10:37] hola gents! didrocks on the road? [10:38] chrisccoulson: often laptops have an option for an internal 3g modem and have a null-op sim card slot. what does lsusb show you? [10:38] get an ac100 ! :) [10:38] asac_: he's in Orlando already [10:38] pitti: hi. thats what i thought. will try to catch him later then. thanks [10:39] asac_, yeah, mine doesn't actually have any 3g hardware. i need to buy one of these - http://search.dell.co.uk/1/2/128267-mobile-broadband-internal-dell-wireless-5540-card-3g-hsdpa-sim-not-included-kit.html [10:39] which i'm tempted to [10:39] it can't be any more difficult to install than the bluetooth module i fitted last week [10:40] chrisccoulson: http://www.amazon.co.uk/WIRELESS-5540-Broadband-MiniPCI-Mini-Card/dp/B0047TG568 [10:40] that one is cheaper [10:40] not sure if it fits, but i would think :) [10:40] might even be the same. anyway. that thing will work great from what i can tell [10:40] and you would have strong signal with your laptop antenna [10:40] 4x that price and you have an ac100 :P [10:41] heh [10:41] ogra_: but the horse power is really bad in an ac100. i doubt our mozilla man can use one of these to do anything :) [10:41] i wonder why the one on amazon is so much cheaper [10:41] heh [10:42] yeah, i've had to upgrade to 8GB of RAM now ;) [10:42] asac_, well, he would have to use chromium :P [10:42] chromium flies here :) [10:42] does the ac100 have that much? [10:42] it has 512M plus 256M zram plus the swap you grant it :) [10:42] ogra_: i dont think chromium can build on that machine without loads of swap [10:42] asac_, yeah, building is another issue indeed :) [10:42] you really need 8GB to build chromium if you want to be able to do something else at the same time ;) [10:43] * ogra_ just got a second ac100 :) [10:44] so i can do other stuff at *full speed* on one while the other compiles ;) [10:44] (full speed being 1GHz indeed ;) ) [10:47] i really need to get some arm hardware, so i can try and figure out why firefox sucks so much on it ;) [10:47] but jo would really kill me if i spent any more money [10:47] i've spent way too much recently [10:47] expense it :) [10:47] heh [10:47] its for your work [10:48] i'll ask jason at UDS ;) [10:48] everyone in canonical should have any arm HW in the long term === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [11:46] * rodrigo_ lunch [12:19] hmmm, internet is still down [12:19] i think i'm going to have to call my ISP in a minute === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ [12:21] is it just me or can tomboy no longer sync with ubuntuone ? I hit bug #875999 it seems [12:21] Launchpad bug 875999 in tomboy "cannot synchronise with ubuntuone in spite of success..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875999 [12:47] ah, "There is currently an outage affecting the Midlands" [12:48] from the nice support guy from my ISP [12:49] mvo: I think there is a bug around the sensitivity of that button... if you type something in the box to make Save active and then authorize with U1, does it work? [12:49] * Laney thought someone was going to look at that [12:52] Laney: aha, nice, let me try that [12:52] Laney: I found a helpful soul in #ubuntuone, lets hope he will come up with a good solution, but indeed, it looks like its just the button not being sensitive [12:52] mvo, yeah, try http: instead of https: [12:52] it should be made sensitive on a successful authentication [12:54] mterry: ha! thanks, that did the trick [12:55] does it all work if you just change that? [12:55] sensitivity and eeverything? [12:55] Laney, for me, yeah [12:55] i mean, the button becoming active isn't just a side effect of you changing something in the textarea? [12:57] (if correct, sruing that change would be a good idea) === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:24] Laney: it seems like its enough to just change the field, indeed [13:24] then authentication needs to be fixed to make the button sensitive correctly [13:24] when it returns successfully [13:25] sync does still not work for me, but its a different problem now [13:26] 10/24/2011 15:26:00 [ERROR]: Synchronization failed with the following exception: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute. [13:26] *sigh* [13:26] :( === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:39] Laney: where can I find existing packageset descriptions? [13:39] we don't exactly have them yet [13:40] it is a new change we are trying to introduce [13:40] to make things more equitable [13:41] so how do you define what is a part of GNOME? write that down === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [13:41] Laney: the simple idea I had in mind was the GNOME packages that weren't already in main [13:41] right [13:41] what is a GNOME package? [13:42] and GNOME packages generally are hosted on git.gnome.org [13:42] part of the gnome release moduleset? [13:42] Bugzilla splits packages into Core, Applications, and Other === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [13:44] something that can be extracted from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/releng/3.2.1/ ? [13:44] with reference to the ubuntu-desktop set [13:45] Core & Applications definitely are part of GNOME, Other is a very big category with some stuff that is only loosely associated with GNOME & some stuff that maybe should be bumped to Applicatiosn [13:45] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi [13:48] gnome-tweak-tool & tracker in particular aren't in the release modules [13:49] well, tracker is in as a dependency of gnome-documents === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [14:06] jbicha: there are "external dependencies" that aren't necessarily part of the gnome release, but are things which gnome does need [14:11] jbicha: and if you mean "other" as it is on bugzilla, i wouldn't bother with that as a special thing. "other" there just means "all the other random stuff in bugzilla and hosted on gnome.org, but which isn't necessarily anything in gnome or used by gnome" [14:13] I think the question is how narrow do we want the desktop-extra set to be defined [14:14] jbicha: getting gnome release team to actually define modulests in https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree is probably the way to get a proper list [14:14] jbicha: it still says "(To do)" on the 3.2 page as well :-/ === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [14:30] hmm, I wonder how well this works: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntu-gs-remix/ [14:30] description: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Ubuntu-GNOME-Shell-Remix-74925.shtml === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [14:33] anybody can do that after they install [14:56] dobey, jbicha: you can use this list for now: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/Template [14:59] kenvandine: if you have some spare time: https://launchpad.net/indicator-power/trunk/0.10 [15:00] * kenvandine looks [15:01] hm, indicator-multiload is taking 22% cpu. that seems like a lot to watch my cpu load sit at 6.6 :) [15:03] jjardon, 0.10 meant for a oneiric SRU or for upload to precise? [15:04] kenvandine: It would be good to have the update in Oneiric [15:42] dobey, jbicha: indeed, this is the canonical list of core modules http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/teams/releng/3.2.1/versions [16:03] good night everyone! === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [19:01] cyphermox, you around? [19:05] chrisccoulson: yep [19:06] hi cyphermox [19:06] so, my ADSL decided to die today, which isn't normally a problem, as i can just plug in my 3G dongle [19:06] however [19:06] doesn't work? [19:06] i plugged that in today (for the first time on oneiric), and it doesn't work :( [19:06] doh [19:06] does it get seen by NM at all? [19:07] cyphermox, yeah. i even get a notification from notify-osd to say it's connected, but it isn't actually connected really [19:07] ok [19:07] cyphermox, this is what i see in my syslog when i plug it in - [19:07] what model is that? [19:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/718149/ [19:08] cyphermox, according to lsusb: [19:08] Bus 002 Device 014: ID 12d1:1001 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E620 USB Modem [19:08] so far it's normal [19:08] do you have logs for when you click the connection to activate it? [19:09] cyphermox, i'm not sure what to click to activate it. i've got mobile broadband enabled in nm-applet, and in the "Mobile Broadband" section of the menu, i have an inactive entry "O2 - UK UMTS", which is the connection i want :) [19:10] but i can't activate it ;) [19:16] chrisccoulson: can't activate because it's insensitive or because that's what fails? [19:16] cyphermox, it's insensitive [19:16] interesting [19:16] although, there is an entry to create a new connection, where i have to enter all my provider information [19:16] but that doesn't work anyway, and i've never needed to do that before [19:17] edit the connection, in case it's somehow pointing to a different device? [19:18] I mean, any further logs for NM or MM would help, but what you already pasted is basically normal behavior when a device has just been connected [19:18] hmm, there currently isn't a connection listed for it [19:18] then it's probably fine as "any device" [19:19] hmmm, it's connected now, which it didn't do when i created a connection earlier :/ [19:19] cyphermox, how come i need to manually create the connection now? i don't remember having to do that in the past [19:20] or perhaps i did, but just forgot about it ;) [19:20] then one that got connected is the new one you created? [19:20] yeah, i've just created a connection, and that seems to have connected [19:20] 1 second, will just remove my cell phone to make sure it works [19:20] my guess is that the old one was converted from 11.04/ NM0.8 and that conversion failed for that connection [19:22] the thing is now they're probably called the same, but if not and you can ship me the file from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections then I can probably have one more hint as to what fails with these conversions [19:22] ok, seems to work [19:23] you want the connection from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections? [19:23] i don't think there's anything private in there - http://paste.ubuntu.com/718174/ [19:23] i hope not ;) [19:23] "password=password" [19:23] :) === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [19:27] chrisccoulson: no, most isps just use such stupid passwords ;) [19:27] chrisccoulson: the other is also O2 or "O2 1"? [19:28] cyphermox, oh, i deleted the other connection (the one which failed) [19:28] i guess that's no use ;) [19:29] oh, that's the one I wanted to see ;) [19:29] oh well [19:29] heh [19:29] sorry ;) [19:29] but you're right, you shouldn't have had to create a new one [19:30] but the NM0.8 to NM0.9 was kind of rough, although I tested a few different connection types and it worked for me [19:30] I can't remember if I had a 3G connection though :/ [19:31] that said, it's so simple it should have just worked... but I think it largely borked because of gconf more than anything else === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [21:18] Wow, not many desktop sessions on the schedule so far, but I am only up to Tuesday. [21:30] Time for me to subscribe to all the interesting ones! [21:45] That's *totally awesome*! [21:46] RAOF, hey [21:46] that being? [21:46] How gnome-shell handles GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE. [21:47] Hey seb128! [21:47] RAOF, how is it going? [21:47] Alright. [21:48] I'm going to try a mad crazy hack for that fn-f7 bug. It'll be awesome. [21:49] RAOF: i don't know if you noticed, but i found a few odd things about the fn-f7 stuff [21:49] Almost as awesome as gnome-shell refusing to start when a dual-head display is set up with > MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE, but it's quite happy to set that up while running :) [21:49] first is that i see a keypress event coming in on both the ACPI "Video Bus" and the keyboard device [21:50] broder: That sounds like chrisccoulson's bug? [21:50] oh, you're working on a different fn-f7 bug? [21:52] Yeah, one which turns out to (proabably) be our old friend, Mr Disabling Outputs With Gnome-RR Sometimes Makes Things Weird. [21:53] oh, ok. i hadn't associated that with being a fn-f7 bug, but sure. anyway, i'm looking forward to the solution [21:54] Well, hitting fn-f7 will take you through the codepaths that do the disable everything, now re-enable everything dance. [22:16] Right, first run through of schedule complete. There are many empty slots atm, so will have to do another run through on Friday I suspect. === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay