[01:37] <RAOF> Hm.  ?Disc has a few bad sectors?.  That could, perhaps, trigger some sort of warning, rather than waiting around until I check why everything's going mental.
[01:52] <bjsnider> RAOF, the hdd can have a few bad sectors without it being an immediate crisis. it can continue to perform fine for years afterwards
[01:53] <RAOF> bjsnider: It would, however, be polite for our tools to pop up a little ?oh, by the way, we've detected errors on your harddrive? message the first time it happens.
[01:55] <bjsnider> the system could also show the user everything that's in .xsession-errors and dmesg
[01:56] <RAOF> It could, but that happens *enormously* more often than my disc increasing its bad sector count by 16.
[01:56] <bjsnider> by the way...
[01:57] <bjsnider> you need to replace that drive right now
[01:57] <bjsnider> i'm sure you already knew that
[01:59] <RAOF> Yeah.
[01:59] <RAOF> Which is why it'd be polite for our desktop environment to give me a heads up.
[02:00] <bjsnider> does osx do that?
[02:00] <jbicha> RAOF: palimpsest doesn't do a popup like that any more?
[02:00] <RAOF> jbicha: Apparently not.
[02:00] <bjsnider> in some cases windows will ask the user to do a chkdsk when it detects disk errors
[02:01] <jbicha> I have 7 bad sectors, hope it's not too big of a deal
[02:01] <bjsnider> palimpsest is to difficult for average users to understand
[02:01] <bjsnider> jbicha, as long as it isn't increasing
[02:02] <bjsnider> the sectors will be marked and the system will not try to use them anymore
[03:03] <TheMuso> I thought one got a pop-up with drives that had bad sectors. I remember connecting a drive externally a while back, and discvoered through a pop-up that it had bad sectors...
[04:03] <bjsnider> during the karmic cycle there were bugs reported where people complained about a lot of false positives, and then a new release quieted the warnings down to the point where you're only warned "if the disk is really failing", so perhaps a few bad sectors isn't bad enough to produce the warning
[04:04] <bjsnider> that was bug 412152
[04:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 412152 in gnome-disk-utility "gnome-disk-utility nags me too much that my disk is failing" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412152
[04:17] <TheMuso> Interesting, because I ran a scan on the disk and it did have bad sectors.
[04:19] <pitti> Good morning
[04:22] <bjsnider> i don't think bad sectors alone is enough to generate the warning message anymore, but it was in karmic
[04:30] <jbicha> pitti: good morning! could we get bug 878672 looked at?
[04:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 878672 in gnome-shell "[SRU] Please upgrade gnome-shell and mutter to 3.2.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878672
[04:31] <bjsnider> yeah, that would be cool
[04:32] <pitti> jbicha: ah, there they are; I wanted to sponsor branches on Friday, but the LP search for branches timed out, and they weren't on the pad
[04:32] <pitti> jbicha: yes, can do
[04:33] <jbicha> pitti: oh ok :)
[04:34] <pitti> err, what?
[04:34] <pitti> $ bzr branch lp:ubuntu/oneiric/mutter
[04:34] <pitti> bzr: ERROR: Revision {martin.pitt@canonical.com-20110928045929-gjsb9pcy1rq0l1i2} not present in "Graph(StackedParentsProvider(bzrlib.repository._LazyListJoin(([CachingParentsProvider(None)], []))))".
[04:34] <pitti> ubuntu:oneiric/gnome-shell works fine
[04:35] <pitti> and lp:ubuntu/mutter is out of date
[04:36] <pitti> ah, but seems you do carry 3.2.0-0ubuntu2 in your branch
[04:38] <pitti> jbicha: why does g-shell bump the dh compat?
[04:39] <jbicha> pitti: just because, we could drop that change if you like
[04:40] <pitti> jbicha: better for an SRU to not change the build system
[04:42] <pitti> jbicha: ok, I'll revert it in the merge
[04:42] <jbicha> pitti: ok, thank you
[04:43] <pitti> jbicha: ok, both sponsored, thanks!
[04:59] <bjsnider> i'd like to see the user-menu status bug fixed if there's a patch available
[05:00] <jbicha> bjsnider: which bug?
[05:01] <bjsnider> the status-menu will not change to online unless the user manually sets it. it's a missing feature
[05:01] <bjsnider> i've been bugging them about it
[05:02] <bjsnider> that's how empathy gets its status, so it has implications outside gnome-shell too
[05:03] <bjsnider> i'm not 100% sure what the eta is, or how trivial a change it would be
[05:03] <jbicha> bjsnider: well the first time should be manual, right?
[05:04] <bjsnider> no, it should be based on mouse/keyboard use, just like the screensaver and whatnot
[05:05] <bjsnider> right now, mine says away, even though i'm obviously using the system
[05:06] <jbicha> this fix in 3.2.1 helps some, right? http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=2947b921489937e6fb8ea8d9634510585b78bcc0
[05:07] <bjsnider> probably not, since the session is always at away or unavailable unless the user directly intervenes
[05:08] <bjsnider> they told me this week that it's a feature not yet implemented. at least i think that's what they were saying
[05:08] <bjsnider> i wanted to know about 3.2.1, because i thought maybe it was fixed there, but it isn't
[05:08] <jbicha> that sounds more appropriate for 3.3
[05:09] <bjsnider> well, i have no idea how trivial a change it is
[05:09] <bjsnider> maybe it's a few lines, maybe it's a lot more than that
[05:10] <bjsnider> i mean we're only talking about changing the status to online. the status area works otherwise. the other status options are implemented
[05:12] <bjsnider> jbicha, there's a sushi 2.1 now. a few small changes. nothing that would affect the packaging scripts in any way
[05:19] <jbicha> bjsnider: would you like to open an SRU bug for it? the text file preview toolbar fix would be good to have
[05:20] <bjsnider> yeah, that's fine. i already built local packages and installed them. no problems arise, so it's safe
[05:21] <bjsnider> don't know what's holding up 848198 either. those patches fix two bugs.
[05:24] <jbicha> bjsnider: why don't you propose an update with a bzr branch or at least a debdiff?
[05:26] <bjsnider> what do i do with the debdiff?
[05:27] <bjsnider> do i post it on the bug page?
[05:51] <RAOF> Dear lord gnome-desktop is a big fan of grabbing the server, querying the current mode, and then setting *exactly the same mode* over and over again.
[05:52] <RAOF> We're lucky the driver doesn't blindly modeset each time it's asked.
[07:19] <TeTeT> RAOF: hi Chris, with respect to bug 820327 I wanted to let you know that in LVM's Ubuntu deployment I removed 10_fn-F7.patch from gsd as it made fn-f7 jump to the wrong display setting and caused the virtual desktops (bottom right) to show wrong areas, maybe it needs to be dropped here as well
[07:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 820327 in gnome-settings-daemon "Fn+F7 cycling gives external monitor incorrect resolution on Thinkpad x220" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820327
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:28] <Omega> morning
[07:28] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:28] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[07:28] <pitti> chrisccoulson: quite fine, thanks! how about you?
[07:29] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, good thanks. although, i feel a bit sleepy this morning
[08:20] <Sweetshark> G'Morning Desktoppers!
[08:22] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> i'm rewriting ubufox atm to drop the apturl dependency, and also stop using http://mozilla-pfs.ubuntu.com/. is there actually a way to search for packages providing a particular mimetype?
[08:23] <huats> morning
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> i had a look at sessioninstaller, but i'm not sure it does what i want
[08:31] <rickspencer3> hi huats
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> mvo, you there?
[08:33] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:34] <mvo> chrisccoulson: yes
[08:34] <huats> hey rickspencer3 !
[08:34] <chrisccoulson> hi mvo. did you see my earlier comments there?
[08:34] <mvo> chrisccoulson: no, sorry, could you please paste it again?
[08:35] <huats> rickspencer3, I am not at the office today (giving a course to students) but be there tomorrow, so you are welcome to join us !
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> mvo - i'm trying to figure out the best way of searching for packages providing a particular mimetype
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> this is in the context of ubufox, which i'm currently rewriting to stop using https://mozilla-pfs.ubuntu.com/ and no longer depend on apturl
[08:35] <rickspencer3> huats, sounds good, but I'm leaving today!
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> (for the plugin finder)
[08:35] <rickspencer3> Munich for Qt Dev Days tomorrow, then Orlando!
[08:36] <huats> rickspencer3, oh I forgot about the Qt thing :(
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> and i took a look at sessioninstaller, thinking it might do what i want, but then i realized it probably won't
[08:36] <rickspencer3> huats, I plan to come way more after FL, so we can speak more French :)
[08:36] <mvo> chrisccoulson: the xapian db we use has this info, software-center search:mime:text/html should work for example
[08:36] <mvo> chrisccoulson: currently the startup speed is not ideal, but we are working to improve that
[08:36] <huats> rickspencer3, hum we will speak french i Florida !
[08:37] <rickspencer3> I hope so!
[08:37] <rickspencer3> huats, I go for days here without speaking any French :(
[08:37] <rickspencer3> I'll probably have more chance in FL than in France :)
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> mvo - one thing i'm trying to avoid is depending on an external UI like software-center for this. the reason being that if we don't have a plugin to handle a specific mimetype in our archive, i want to fall back to using https://pfs.mozilla.org to query upstreams db
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> and i want to do that transparently really, with a single UI
[08:38] <huats> rickspencer3, indeed !
[08:38] <mvo> chrisccoulson: aha, ok, so you need a commandline helper or dbus helper that just provides you the info?
[08:39] <huats> rickspencer3, and we'll work on your french ! you have a talk to give at the end of november !
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> mvo - possibly, if that's the best way to go :)
[08:39] <rickspencer3> indeed!
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> mvo - i was thinking of using the information shipped with app-install-data, but i probably need an extra field in the desktop files
[08:39] <mvo> chrisccoulson: if you let me know what exactly you need, we (software-center guys) can provide it. well, instead of spawning a helper you could talk to the xapian db directly, depends really on what you need/want :) does your requirements include e.g. rating info?
[08:39] <chrisccoulson> mvo - i'm not too concerned about ratings info
[08:39] <mvo> chrisccoulson: extra field should be fine, what is it used for?
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> mvo - we want to associate mimetypes to plugin packages, but the existing MimeType field isn't really appropriate for that as we don't want, eg, the adobe flashplugin to appear as a handler for local flash files
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> that wouldn't work, as there's not really an executable to handle that
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> so i was thinking of having an extra mimetype field just for browser plugin mimetypes
[08:43] <mvo> ok
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> mvo, does that make sense? :)
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> i just want to make sure that i'm not completely crazy ;)
[08:48] <mvo> chrisccoulson: yeah, that sounds fine, we just need to make sure that the mime-type can be extracted sanely for the plugins. how many plugins are we actually talking about?
[08:48] <mvo> chrisccoulson: didn't you guys pushed most of the plugins out of the archive previously?
[08:48] <chrisccoulson> mvo - i'm not too sure, it's not many though. i think it's in the order of ~10 packages
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> mvo - we pushed extensions out, but we still have browser plugins (eg, totem, flash, vlc etc)
[08:50] <mvo> chrisccoulson: aha. ok. would be nice if we could integrate the plugin info query into the lp:app-archive code
[08:50] <mvo> chrisccoulson: is there going to be a uds session about it?
[08:50] <chrisccoulson> mvo - i wasn't planning one. do you think we should have one?
[08:51] <mvo> chrisccoulson: not really, just wanted to double check :)
[08:51] <chrisccoulson> heh
[09:26] <seif> rickspencer3, yo
[09:27] <seif> rickspencer3, before u do  more work on stealth maybe we can merge it with bzr branch lp:activity-log-manager
[09:27] <seif> please try it out
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> gah, stupid ISP
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> and that's probably the worst time to discover that my 3G dongle doesn't work on oneiric
[10:33] <pitti> chrisccoulson: tether from your phone, and use the usb-ethernet?
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - that's what i've resorted to ;)
[10:33] <chrisccoulson> after trying to get my 3G dongle to work, but it's totally broken in oneiric :(
[10:34] <pitti> chrisccoulson: your new machine doesn't have a builtin 3G and sim card?
[10:34] <pitti> sim card holder, anyway
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i think i saw a sim card holder when i took the whole thing apart last week
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> i didn't actually think about sticking my sim card in it though
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i should try
[10:35] <pitti> chrisccoulson: the builtin antenna of my laptop is some ten times better than an usb stick (and takes much less power, too)
[10:37] <asac_> hola gents! didrocks on the road?
[10:38] <asac_> chrisccoulson: often laptops have an option for an internal 3g modem and have a null-op sim card slot. what does lsusb show you?
[10:38] <ogra_> get an ac100 ! :)
[10:38] <pitti> asac_: he's in Orlando already
[10:38] <asac_> pitti: hi. thats what i thought. will try to catch him later then. thanks
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> asac_, yeah, mine doesn't actually have any 3g hardware. i need to buy one of these - http://search.dell.co.uk/1/2/128267-mobile-broadband-internal-dell-wireless-5540-card-3g-hsdpa-sim-not-included-kit.html
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> which i'm tempted to
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> it can't be any more difficult to install than the bluetooth module i fitted last week
[10:40] <asac_> chrisccoulson: http://www.amazon.co.uk/WIRELESS-5540-Broadband-MiniPCI-Mini-Card/dp/B0047TG568
[10:40] <asac_> that one is cheaper
[10:40] <asac_> not sure if it fits, but i would think :)
[10:40] <asac_> might even be the same. anyway. that thing will work great from what i can tell
[10:40] <asac_> and you would have strong signal with your laptop antenna
[10:40] <ogra_> 4x that price and you have an ac100 :P
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:41] <asac_> ogra_: but the horse power is really bad in an ac100. i doubt our mozilla man can use one of these to do anything :)
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> i wonder why the one on amazon is so much cheaper
[10:41] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've had to upgrade to 8GB of RAM now ;)
[10:42] <ogra_> asac_, well, he would have to use chromium :P
[10:42] <ogra_> chromium flies here :)
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> does the ac100 have that much?
[10:42] <ogra_> it has 512M plus 256M zram plus the swap you grant it :)
[10:42] <asac_> ogra_: i dont think chromium can build on that machine without loads of swap
[10:42] <ogra_> asac_, yeah, building is another issue indeed :)
[10:42] <chrisccoulson> you really need 8GB to build chromium if you want to be able to do something else at the same time ;)
[10:43]  * ogra_ just got a second ac100 :)
[10:44] <ogra_> so i can do other stuff at *full speed* on one while the other compiles ;)
[10:44] <ogra_> (full speed being 1GHz indeed ;) )
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> i really need to get some arm hardware, so i can try and figure out why firefox sucks so much on it ;)
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> but jo would really kill me if i spent any more money
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> i've spent way too much recently
[10:47] <ogra_> expense it :)
[10:47] <chrisccoulson> heh
[10:47] <ogra_> its for your work
[10:48] <chrisccoulson> i'll ask jason at UDS ;)
[10:48] <ogra_> everyone in canonical should have any arm HW in the long term
[11:46]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:19] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, internet is still down
[12:19] <chrisccoulson> i think i'm going to have to call my ISP in a minute
[12:21] <mvo> is it just me or can tomboy no longer sync with ubuntuone ? I hit bug #875999 it seems
[12:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 875999 in tomboy "cannot synchronise with ubuntuone in spite of success..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875999
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> ah, "There is currently an outage affecting the Midlands"
[12:48] <chrisccoulson> from the nice support guy from my ISP
[12:49] <Laney> mvo: I think there is a bug around the sensitivity of that button... if you type something in the box to make Save active and then authorize with U1, does it work?
[12:49]  * Laney thought someone was going to look at that
[12:52] <mvo> Laney: aha, nice, let me try that
[12:52] <mvo> Laney: I found a helpful soul in #ubuntuone, lets hope he will come up with a good solution, but indeed, it looks like its just the button not being sensitive
[12:52] <mterry> mvo, yeah, try http: instead of https:
[12:52] <Laney> it should be made sensitive on a successful authentication
[12:54] <mvo> mterry: ha! thanks, that did the trick
[12:55] <Laney> does it all work if you just change that?
[12:55] <Laney> sensitivity and eeverything?
[12:55] <mterry> Laney, for me, yeah
[12:55] <Laney> i mean, the button becoming active isn't just a side effect of you changing something in the textarea?
[12:57] <Laney> (if correct, sruing that change would be a good idea)
[13:24] <mvo> Laney: it seems like its enough to just change the field, indeed
[13:24] <Laney> then authentication needs to be fixed to make the button sensitive correctly
[13:24] <Laney> when it returns successfully
[13:25] <mvo> sync does still not work for me, but its a different problem now
[13:26] <mvo> 10/24/2011 15:26:00 [ERROR]: Synchronization failed with the following exception: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.
[13:26] <mvo> *sigh*
[13:26] <Laney> :(
[13:39] <jbicha> Laney: where can I find existing packageset descriptions?
[13:39] <Laney> we don't exactly have them yet
[13:40] <Laney> it is a new change we are trying to introduce
[13:40] <Laney> to make things more equitable
[13:41] <Laney> so how do you define what is a part of GNOME? write that down
[13:41] <jbicha> Laney: the simple idea I had in mind was the GNOME packages that weren't already in main
[13:41] <Laney> right
[13:41] <Laney> what is a GNOME package?
[13:42] <jbicha> and GNOME packages generally are hosted on git.gnome.org
[13:42] <Laney> part of the gnome release moduleset?
[13:42] <jbicha> Bugzilla splits packages into Core, Applications, and Other
[13:44] <Laney> something that can be extracted from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/releng/3.2.1/ ?
[13:44] <Laney> with reference to the ubuntu-desktop set
[13:45] <jbicha> Core & Applications definitely are part of GNOME, Other is a very big category with some stuff that is only loosely associated with GNOME & some stuff that maybe should be bumped to Applicatiosn
[13:45] <jbicha> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi
[13:48] <jbicha> gnome-tweak-tool & tracker in particular aren't in the release modules
[13:49] <jbicha> well, tracker is in as a dependency of gnome-documents
[14:06] <dobey> jbicha: there are "external dependencies" that aren't necessarily part of the gnome release, but are things which gnome does need
[14:11] <dobey> jbicha: and if you mean "other" as it is on bugzilla, i wouldn't bother with that as a special thing. "other" there just means "all the other random stuff in bugzilla and hosted on gnome.org, but which isn't necessarily anything in gnome or used by gnome"
[14:13] <jbicha> I think the question is how narrow do we want the desktop-extra set to be defined
[14:14] <dobey> jbicha: getting gnome release team to actually define modulests in https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree is probably the way to get a proper list
[14:14] <dobey> jbicha: it still says "(To do)" on the 3.2 page as well :-/
[14:30] <jbicha> hmm, I wonder how well this works: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntu-gs-remix/
[14:30] <jbicha> description: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Ubuntu-GNOME-Shell-Remix-74925.shtml
[14:33] <bjsnider> anybody can do that after they install
[14:56] <jjardon> dobey, jbicha: you can use this list for now: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/Template
[14:59] <jjardon> kenvandine: if you have some spare time: https://launchpad.net/indicator-power/trunk/0.10
[15:00]  * kenvandine looks
[15:01] <hallyn> hm, indicator-multiload is taking 22% cpu.  that seems like a lot to watch my cpu load sit at 6.6 :)
[15:03] <kenvandine> jjardon, 0.10 meant for a oneiric SRU or for upload to precise?
[15:04] <jjardon> kenvandine: It would be good to have the update in Oneiric
[15:42] <jjardon> dobey, jbicha: indeed, this is the canonical list of core modules http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/teams/releng/3.2.1/versions
[16:03] <pitti> good night everyone!
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, you around?
[19:05] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: yep
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> hi cyphermox
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> so, my ADSL decided to die today, which isn't normally a problem, as i can just plug in my 3G dongle
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> however
[19:06] <cyphermox> doesn't work?
[19:06] <chrisccoulson> i plugged that in today (for the first time on oneiric), and it doesn't work :(
[19:06] <cyphermox> doh
[19:06] <cyphermox> does it get seen by NM at all?
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, yeah. i even get a notification from notify-osd to say it's connected, but it isn't actually connected really
[19:07] <cyphermox> ok
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, this is what i see in my syslog when i plug it in -
[19:07] <cyphermox> what model is that?
[19:07] <chrisccoulson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/718149/
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, according to lsusb:
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> Bus 002 Device 014: ID 12d1:1001 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E620 USB Modem
[19:08] <cyphermox> so far it's normal
[19:08] <cyphermox> do you have logs for when you click the connection to activate it?
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, i'm not sure what to click to activate it. i've got mobile broadband enabled in nm-applet, and in the "Mobile Broadband" section of the menu, i have an inactive entry "O2 - UK UMTS", which is the connection i want :)
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> but i can't activate it ;)
[19:16] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: can't activate because it's insensitive or because that's what fails?
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, it's insensitive
[19:16] <cyphermox> interesting
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> although, there is an entry to create a new connection, where i have to enter all my provider information
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> but that doesn't work anyway, and i've never needed to do that before
[19:17] <cyphermox> edit the connection, in case it's somehow pointing to a different device?
[19:18] <cyphermox> I mean, any further logs for NM or MM would help, but what you already pasted is basically normal behavior when a device has just been connected
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> hmm, there currently isn't a connection listed for it
[19:18] <cyphermox> then it's probably fine as "any device"
[19:19] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, it's connected now, which it didn't do when i created a connection earlier :/
[19:19] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, how come i need to manually create the connection now? i don't remember having to do that in the past
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> or perhaps i did, but just forgot about it ;)
[19:20] <cyphermox> then one that got connected is the new one you created?
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've just created a connection, and that seems to have connected
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> 1 second, will just remove my cell phone to make sure it works
[19:20] <cyphermox> my guess is that the old one was converted from 11.04/ NM0.8 and that conversion failed for that connection
[19:22] <cyphermox> the thing is now they're probably called the same, but if not and you can ship me the file from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections then I can probably have one more hint as to what fails with these conversions
[19:22] <chrisccoulson_> ok, seems to work
[19:23] <chrisccoulson_> you want the connection from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections?
[19:23] <chrisccoulson_> i don't think there's anything private in there - http://paste.ubuntu.com/718174/
[19:23] <chrisccoulson_> i hope not ;)
[19:23] <chrisccoulson_> "password=password"
[19:23] <chrisccoulson_> :)
[19:27] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: no, most isps just use such stupid passwords ;)
[19:27] <cyphermox> chrisccoulson: the other is also O2 or "O2 1"?
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> cyphermox, oh, i deleted the other connection (the one which failed)
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> i guess that's no use ;)
[19:29] <cyphermox> oh, that's the one I wanted to see ;)
[19:29] <cyphermox> oh well
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> sorry ;)
[19:29] <cyphermox> but you're right, you shouldn't have had to create a new one
[19:30] <cyphermox> but the NM0.8 to NM0.9 was kind of rough, although I tested a few different connection types and it worked for me
[19:30] <cyphermox> I can't remember if I had a 3G connection though :/
[19:31] <cyphermox> that said, it's so simple it should have just worked... but I think it largely borked because of gconf more than anything else
[21:18] <TheMuso> Wow, not many desktop sessions on the schedule so far, but I am only up to Tuesday.
[21:30] <RAOF> Time for me to subscribe to all the interesting ones!
[21:45] <RAOF> That's *totally awesome*!
[21:46] <seb128> RAOF, hey
[21:46] <seb128> that being?
[21:46] <RAOF> How gnome-shell handles GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE.
[21:47] <RAOF> Hey seb128!
[21:47] <seb128> RAOF, how is it going?
[21:47] <RAOF> Alright.
[21:48] <RAOF> I'm going to try a mad crazy hack for that fn-f7 bug.  It'll be awesome.
[21:49] <broder> RAOF: i don't know if you noticed, but i found a few odd things about the fn-f7 stuff
[21:49] <RAOF> Almost as awesome as gnome-shell refusing to start when a dual-head display is set up with > MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE, but it's quite happy to set that up while running :)
[21:49] <broder> first is that i see a keypress event coming in on both the ACPI "Video Bus" and the keyboard device
[21:50] <RAOF> broder: That sounds like chrisccoulson's bug?
[21:50] <broder> oh, you're working on a different fn-f7 bug?
[21:52] <RAOF> Yeah, one which turns out to (proabably) be our old friend, Mr Disabling Outputs With Gnome-RR Sometimes Makes Things Weird.
[21:53] <broder> oh, ok. i hadn't associated that with being a fn-f7 bug, but sure. anyway, i'm looking forward to the solution
[21:54] <RAOF> Well, hitting fn-f7 will take you through the codepaths that do the disable everything, now re-enable everything dance.
[22:16] <TheMuso> Right, first run through of schedule complete. There are many empty slots atm, so will have to do another run through on Friday I suspect.