[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[13:08] <paultag> moin moin alle
[13:43] <nigelb> Morning paultag 
[13:49] <paultag> nigelb: howdy
[19:23] <locodir-user> i want to donwload ubuntu os source code how should i do this?
[19:24] <paultag> locodir-user: hehe
[19:24] <paultag> locodir-user: of what package?
[19:24] <paultag> locodir-user: ubuntu it's self is more like a collection of software then just a single big block of software
[19:24] <paultag> locodir-user: if you know what you want the code for, you can download it with apt-get source
[19:25] <paultag> it's a legal requirement that it's all there for you to examine as you wish
[19:25] <locodir-user> ya developing purpose 
[19:25] <paultag> locodir-user: what software do you wish to look at?
[19:25] <locodir-user> full Operating system...
[19:26] <locodir-user> eg: ubuntu 10.10
[19:26] <paultag> locodir-user: you understand that's not a valid request - you might be able to download all the package tarballs, but that's a bit silly
[19:26] <paultag> locodir-user: what component of Ubuntu?
[19:26] <paultag> Ubuntu it's self is a collection
[19:26] <paultag> don't think of it like a single block
[19:26] <paultag> because it's not :)
[19:26] <paultag> the kernel, X server, login manager, window manager, DE
[19:27] <paultag> userland, sound system, blah blah
[19:27] <paultag> there's far too much 
[19:27] <paultag> locodir-user: which bit of software would you like to examine?
[19:27] <locodir-user> ok..i didn't know so much about this...
[19:27] <paultag> ah
[19:27] <paultag> locodir-user: what are you trying to do, perhaps I can suggest something?
[19:28] <locodir-user> i wanted to study os...
[19:28] <paultag> locodir-user: again - the kernel?
[19:28] <paultag> locodir-user: like the thing that talks with hardware
[19:28] <paultag> an OS is very large
[19:28] <paultag> you need to be a bit more exact
[19:28] <locodir-user> ya...i think kernel will be appropriate...
[19:29] <paultag> locodir-user: apt-get source linux-image-386
[19:29] <paultag> or $ARCH if you have a different arch
[19:29] <paultag> you may also find it here - http://kernel.org/
[19:29] <paultag> locodir-user: there are other smaller kernels as well, such as Minix, and also BSD kernels. I wrote one that's very simple, if you'd like that as well
[19:30] <paultag> Linux is very large, and it sounds like you don't know too much about OS design
[19:30] <paultag> perhaps some reading on Minix might help
[19:30] <paultag> locodir-user: I suggest this book - http://www.pearsonhighered.com/educator/academic/product/0,,0131429388,00%2ben-USS_01DBC.html
[19:30] <paultag> it helped me a lot
[19:30] <locodir-user> and if i need to download other package how should i do it?
[19:31] <paultag> locodir-user: which other package?
[19:31] <locodir-user> anything as u told above
[19:31] <paultag> locodir-user: linux is the only kernel in the Ubuntu repos, alt kernels such as FreeBSD's kernel may be found in Debian, but most may be found on their respective websitees
[19:31] <locodir-user> should i need to use everytime command for it?
[19:32] <paultag> Ubuntu does not host this software because we don't use it
[19:32] <paultag> locodir-user: yeah, you'll need to request them all on their own - remember, each is it's own project
[19:32] <paultag> I think you misunderstand what Ubuntu is :)
[19:33] <locodir-user> but how can i know that i m downloading source code and not software?
[19:33] <paultag> locodir-user: you must read the descriptions :)
[19:34] <paultag> most of the time it'll be labeled
[19:34] <paultag> and if not, you can guess based on if it has a march version tag or not
[19:34] <paultag> unless it's python, in which case it don't matter anyway :)
[19:34] <paultag> or $RUNTIME_LANGUAGE_HERE
[19:35] <locodir-user> is there any place where i can find all this detail?
[19:35] <paultag> not really, no
[19:35] <locodir-user> are u developer ?
[19:35] <paultag> locodir-user: this is more of a generic F/OSS question rather then an Ubuntu one
[19:35] <paultag> locodir-user: yes, I am, in fact
[19:36] <locodir-user> i m really interested to do developing but i m not understanding where should i start can u show me path?
[19:36] <paultag> locodir-user: what languages can you program in?
[19:37] <locodir-user> c , c++ ,java 
[19:37] <paultag> locodir-user: pick some software you like and fix bugs :)
[19:37] <locodir-user> but i never developed software on that?
[19:38] <paultag> on what?
[19:38] <locodir-user> pick software means from current os or my own idea?
[19:39] <paultag> locodir-user: current OS, if you don't know where to start it might be hard to, well, start :)
[19:39] <paultag> but since all C, C++ and Java is basically the same (with minor changes in headers) - it should be a snap for you
[19:39] <paultag> just read up on POSIX guidelines and have at it
[19:41] <locodir-user> ok...if i select something in multimedia like image viewer then...
[19:43] <locodir-user> i think u gone?
[19:43] <paultag> nah, I'm here
[19:43] <paultag> I was waiting for you to finish your sentince
[19:43] <paultag> but that's OK. Multimedia stuff is good
[19:43] <paultag> it can be hard, but it's good
[19:44] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[19:44] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue238
[19:45] <paultag> akgraner: woohoo! ^5 :)
[19:45] <paultag> thank you :)
[19:45] <akgraner> as always - we have a great news team anyone wanting to help pop into ubuntu-news - we can get you started
[19:46] <locodir-user> hello is any developer here.
[19:46] <locodir-user> hello
[19:47] <locodir-user> is any developer present?
[19:47] <locodir-user> hello
[19:48] <paultag> oh dang
[19:48] <paultag> I help someone for a minute and he ragequits
[19:49] <paultag> 3 minutes I'm gone
[20:01] <mhall119> paultag: you should ragehelp people from now on
[20:12] <czajkowski> aloha 
[20:34] <mhall119> morning czajkowski