[07:07] good morning [07:09] good morning [07:09] Morning geser! === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:33] hiya [10:15] cjwatson: thanks :D [10:16] * cjwatson processes queues ... eventually [10:21] this is the uk, we likes a good queue over here [10:24] sure, because queueing means crowd means less cold wind directly around you [10:25] * Rhonda shivers when looking outside, and I'm in vienna [10:30] it's quite nice out at the moment actually [10:30] or it was yesterday anyway, haven't been out yet today :) [10:31] gloves, no hat, improvement on the end of last week [10:31] still wearing gloves in the office too as the heating is broken… [10:32] the annual estates-office-try-and-fail-to-fix-the-heating-and-end-up-providing-a-space-heater has begun :-) [10:34] yeah, the cold season always comes unexpected, year after year [10:34] Total by surprise, snow starts falling and the street cleaning companies aren't prepared at all. [10:35] "same procedure as every year" [10:36] last year I was on crutches for the winter. that was interesting. [10:38] http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/washingup.png [10:40] lol [10:41] heh === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [11:09] Laney: wouldn't it have been easier to use the dish washer next to you? [11:09] can't put it all in there sadly [11:14] Has most of testing been synced yet, or is the process ongoing for pp? === jcfp is now known as Guest58254 === Guest58254 is now known as jcfp [11:15] arand: everything that hasn't been modified in Ubuntu has been auto-synced from testing. Everything else needs to be done by hand [11:16] tumbleweed: Including new packages? [11:16] yeah, those also need manual review [11:17] I've synced a lot of new packages [11:17] there are some left; ask me if you have specific requests [11:21] * StevenK gets mail-bombed by cjwatson. [11:21] ? [11:21] cjwatson: I'm subscribed to ubuntu-archive [11:21] ah, right [11:23] Ok, I may do some further poking in Debian before requesting a sync, (fix game fullscreening and trapping user), before requesting sync. Thanks for the info!, I wasn't sure how things went. [11:25] arand: once it's in, it'll continue to automatically sync until Debian Import Freeze [11:38] Ah, right, well if you have the time to sync "lugaru"... I'll just file a sync request otherwise, being a game it may not be the highest priority :) [11:42] arand: lugaru isn't in testing [11:42] oh, wait, it is, contrib [11:43] Yeah, it's one of these contrib/non-free things [11:44] lugaru-data being in non-free due to non-commercial restrictions. [11:46] arand: OK, I've synced both [11:46] cjwatson: Thanks! :) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:05] hello all [14:08] i am following a pkgupdate guide and am stuff with this error when i run debuild -S -sa http://paste.ubuntu.com/717854/ help would be appriciated [14:13] koolhead17: I'm guessing, but perhaps you need to install (and build-depend on) libtool [14:13] cjwatson: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/HandsOn am following this [14:14] I don't need to know that [14:14] unless the specific package you're working on is named there [14:14] * koolhead17 installs libtool [14:15] cjwatson: so dependency will differ per pkg? [14:16] yes [14:16] 'sudo apt-get build-dep PACKAGENAME' gets you all its build-dependencies [14:17] usually you don't need those just to build a source package (-S), but now and again you need some of them [14:18] well, at least you usually don't need them *all* - debhelper, autoconf, automake, libtool, cdbs, autotools-dev, quilt are commonly-required ones [14:20] cjwatson: thanks. am installing all the deps to be on safer side [14:23] if the package isn't in the archive or has new dependencies, you can use sudo mk-build-deps -i -r [14:24] micahg: i pulled pkg from launchpad and making changed to it so it will not have dep issue now [14:38] cjwatson: micahg thanks!! Its getting build!1 :) [14:43] excuse me DMBers [14:43] !dmb [14:43] The Developer Membership Board handles applications for new developer privileges. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess for more details. For DMB attention, try !dmb-ping. [14:43] !dmb-ping [14:43] bdrung, cody-somerville, persia, Laney, micahg, geser, tumbleweed, stgraber: DMB ping [14:43] hah [14:43] Laney: :P [14:44] \o/ talk about fast turnaround :) [14:44] ok, that seems to work :) [14:45] i also need to have "Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)! " :D === med_out is now known as medberry [14:46] koolhead17: that's not necessary for building, just uploading [14:47] debuild's -uc -us options turn off signing (which make building a lot less annoying :P [14:47] tumbleweed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/717883/ [14:47] ooh ok [14:47] :P [14:48] * Laney has that in DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS [14:48] tumbleweed: debuild -S -sa am using currently [14:49] cjwatson: do your backport scripts handle backports from other pockets? (-security) [14:49] * Laney wonders if broder managed to write that script [14:49] tumbleweed: debuild -S -uc -us will do it for me? [14:49] he did not as of a week or two ago [14:49] Laney: ^ [14:50] koolhead17: if you need -sa, include it [14:50] ah ok [14:50] * Laney further wonders if jdstrand has a highlight on "security" :P [14:50] Laney: should do, yes [14:50] Laney: most of the logic is in lp:ubuntu-archive-tools backport.py [14:50] righto [14:50] I'll never tell [14:50] elif '-' in options.fromsuite: [14:50] options.fromseries, options.frompocket = options.fromsuite.split('-', 1) [14:50] options.fromseries = options.fromdistro.getSeries( [14:50] name_or_version=options.fromseries) [14:50] options.frompocket = options.frompocket.title() [14:50] tumbleweed: but that results into asking 4 gnupg which i dont want [14:51] I think you must be confusing -sa with either -uc or -us [14:51] koolhead17: -sa is unrelated, it means you want to include the .orig.tar.gz in the changes file [14:52] tumbleweed: ok. [14:52] * koolhead17 read man page soon. :) [15:09] dholbach: can you accept blueprints for uds-p? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-developer-application-processes [15:10] I don't think I can [15:10] Riddell: around? [15:11] Laney, I don't know - is it ~ubuntu-drivers who can? [15:11] I think there has never been a thing about which I know less than this [15:11] ;-) [15:11] hi koolhead17 [15:11] I thought you were The Guy this time [15:12] Laney: there should be a uds-organizers team I think [15:12] it's alright stgraber can do it [15:12] :-) [15:14] Laney: done [15:14] cheers boss [15:14] now subscribe! [15:14] * micahg already did :) [15:14] excellentium [15:15] which # element is that again? [15:15] * tumbleweed is guessing there isn't enough interest in a "what to do about motu" session? (ok, interest isn't the right idea, but possible input that could be discussed in a UDS session) [15:15] * Laney force-subscribes everyone else [15:15] tumbleweed: pub session [15:15] Laney: yeah that happens anyway :) [15:15] I suspect the crowd for such a session would be smaller than it might have been previously :( [15:15] in fact, I think it was the first think both ScottK and persia asked me when I first met them [15:16] s/think/thing/ [15:16] Call it a MOTU BOF session. [15:16] Try and get interested people together and see where it goes. [15:16] This was good for the backports sessions that last few UDS. [15:18] that works [15:18] As long as the leader doesn't let it turn into a hand wringing session [15:18] also, unicode problems when I try to write the lp-udd output to a file [15:18] * tumbleweed clearly isn't good at achieving that [15:18] python will be the death of me [15:19] Laney: you have to specifically encode it (or open your file with the open from codecs) [15:19] i have .encode('utf-8') [15:20] let me try that codecs thingy [15:20] it's equivalent [15:21] can I see source & exception? [15:21] i put unicode() round stuff [15:21] yeah ok [15:23] http://paste.debian.net/139446/ http://paste.debian.net/139447/ [15:23] i was going to implement some way of not opening and closing the file every time if that worked [15:23] well, I proposed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-motu-bof I'll try and think of some things for us to discuss if it looks like it's heading towards hand wringing [15:23] rock [15:24] Laney: you can't print unicode objects unless you are in a UTF-8 locale and running in a terminal (yes that last thing is insanely unexpected) [15:24] i only added that unicode() stuff because it broke [15:24] what do i need to do instead? :( [15:24] that tprint is substituting byte strings into a unicode string, and thus it's unicode [15:25] either explicitly encode all output, or tell python that the stdout encoding is UTF-8, no matter what [15:25] i thought .encode was me telling it that [15:26] yes, but then you substituted it into a unicode string [15:26] so I can remove the u? [15:26] yes [15:27] this scares me [15:34] tumbleweed: worked, cheers! [15:34] http://paste.debian.net/139449/ [15:34] * tumbleweed hopes to see the data in a UDD table soon [15:35] Original-Maintainer: N/A ? [15:35] oh duh [15:35] hah, the Closes: list for workrave [15:36] * tumbleweed wishes we used null instead of N/A === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [15:42] ScottK: are you still approving backports? (will have at least one later this week hopefully) [15:42] micahg: Yes. Feel free to ping me. [15:42] ScottK: thanks [15:52] how can I tell pdebuild to build source-only (like debuild -S)? [15:56] stevecrozz: from what I know there is no point in running pdebuild for source packages [15:56] just run debuild [15:57] yofel, this is for building a package for a distribution other than the one on my running system [15:57] well, pdebuild is about building binary packages. for the source-only part it simply runs debuild [16:00] In the fully general case you need to build source packages on the same distribution; but in very many cases (I'd say the vast majority) you can get away with building them on more or less any vaguely current Debian or Ubuntu system. [16:00] Sometimes you need the odd extra build-dep. [16:01] was https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2011-October/000715.html a copyPackage sync? [16:01] it has spph.creator and yet a changesfile? [16:02] oh, bah, yo ucan get that for manual uploads too [16:02] how? [16:03] dunno, but I checked on a dputted one I did and it has .creator [16:03] hrm, the changes file wasn't signed. AA sync? [16:03] * Laney checks bugs [16:04] at any rate, *someone* did something wrong with it [16:04] yeah there it is [16:04] I did that with sync-source.py [16:04] was just looking at the massive Closes: list [16:05] that's because it was a reintroduction [16:05] so sync-source built a .changes with the equivalent of dpkg-genchanges -v0 [16:05] yep [16:05] but that was the only unusual thing about it; I'm not aware of having done anything wrong [16:05] ah, no that's probably right, didn't realise it was a reintruduction [16:06] I just expected it to have -v [16:06] * tumbleweed wonders what a native sync would do in that situation [16:06] the main argh is that I can't rely on .creator like I thought I could [16:07] Riddell: how are you? [16:07] oh well [16:07] wgrant: I thought .creator was *only* for syncs? [16:15] koolhead17: I'm fine thanks [16:48] Laney: did you get notified of the factoid changes? [17:26] achiang: would you be able to help me with the armel FTBFS for chromium in precise? [17:27] micahg: possibly. what's up? :) [17:27] achiang: Error: branch out of range [17:27] achiang: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/83302810/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armel.chromium-browser_14.0.835.202~r103287-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:27] yikes [17:37] micahg: some googling on that failure shows that removing optimizations, specifically -O2, fixed the issue on MIPS [17:37] micahg: that might be an interesting place to start [17:38] i am having one more issue [17:38] achiang: thanks [17:39] micahg: one sec [17:39] http://paste.ubuntu.com/718047/ [17:40] micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2PortingHowto [17:40] micahg: there's something on that page too, did you already find it? [17:41] oh, hmm, thought I read that page already [17:42] micahg: actually, it seems that using -Os might work [17:42] hello, how can I debug DBUS? I have the problem if I open gedit with the dash and then run "gedit file" in the gnome-terminal that "file" gets opened in a new instance of gedit and not in a tab of the process I opened with dash before. and the gedit debug tells me "(gedit_dbus_run)" this is why I assume some problem inside of DBUS [17:42] cjwatson: got few minutes [17:43] achiang: ok, I'll have to come back to this later, thanks for the help [17:43] micahg: i think that is the first step, try -Os instead of -O2 or -O1 [17:43] micahg: sure === koolhead11 is now known as koolhead17 [18:27] jussi: no [18:27] but i trust your editorship skills [18:28] Laney: wasnt me, but Pici. but still :) [18:28] Laney: also, no need for the "learn" [18:28] ok [18:28] where did i get that from? [18:34] Laney: some bots require it [18:34] probably the supybot we use for debian-cli [19:04] new packages are automacitally synced to precise or? (when in testing) [19:05] semi-automatically. archive-admins review them [19:06] but one does not need to request it? [19:06] there are a couple of sync bugs for new packages, should I close them as invalid? [19:06] if you want it done right away [19:07] or if they were removed and are being re-added or something === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [20:32] lucas: can you apply this to udd: http://paste.debian.net/139534/ ? and alter the ubuntu_upload_history to add the component column (and set it to "N/A" for all existing rows)? [20:36] components \o/ === MrGando_ is now known as MrGando [21:47] jtaylor: sync bugs for new packages can be added to the ubuntu-archive queue; if it happens that I've already done them as part of my gradual bulk review, I'll close them myself [21:47] jtaylor: I don't mind us getting requests for queue-jumping though [22:55] crontab: installing new crontab [22:55] using the new lp gatherer now [22:55] * Laney expects angry emails in the morning when it breaks udd