| hux_ | my intel card not picked up. Worked with mint | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| hux_ | Hello | 00:12 |
| hux_ | can someone help with intel drivers please? | 00:12 |
| hux_ | Does anyone respond in this channel? I've asked questions since installing Ocelot w/o anyone answering. | 00:17 |
| hux_ | Easy enough questions. So someone should know | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | it's 1AM. everyone is sleeping | 00:19 |
| hux_ | lol | 00:19 |
| hux_ | I'm on night shift. Give 'em a nudge for me | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | try #ubuntu | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | it's global | 00:20 |
| hux_ | lol It's a quagmire | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | what card is it? | 00:20 |
| hux_ | intel mobile 845 I think | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | wifi? | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | i845 is a motherboard chipset | 00:21 |
| hux_ | mobile atm or wifi usually | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | it's some weird combo card? | 00:22 |
| hux_ | It worked fine with mint. I'm just not sure of my way round unity yet. Used to synaptic to check | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | what makes you think it is not "picked up" | 00:23 |
| hux_ | Even tho under mint it didn't show up unser additional drivers | 00:24 |
| hux_ | No wobbly windows lol | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | i'm still not clear on what it is | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | so it's graphics driver? | 00:24 |
| hux_ | Can I install synaptic? | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:24 |
| hux_ | yea | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | ubuntu doesn't have wobbly windows any more | 00:25 |
| hux_ | I've added CSSM | 00:25 |
| hux_ | I was going to fix the launcher bar to not autohide but it won't let me | 00:26 |
| ali1234 | echo $DESKTOP_SESSION | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | what does it say? | 00:27 |
| hux_ | in terminal? | 00:28 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:28 |
| hux_ | 'echo $DESKTOP_SESSION' = no response | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | try again | 00:30 |
| hux_ | is that the command 'echo $DESKTOP_SESSION' ? | 00:31 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:32 |
| hux_ | UBUNTU | 00:32 |
| hux_ | *ubuntu | 00:32 |
| hux_ | is that the 3D desktop | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | yes | 00:33 |
| hux_ | hm wonder why I can't get autohide to stay off then or turn on wobbly windows | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | probably it switched to fallback mode | 00:34 |
| hux_ | how can I tell? | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | i don't know | 00:34 |
| ali1234 | is the lancher transparent? | 00:34 |
| hux_ | np thanks al11234 | 00:35 |
| hux_ | ali1234, | 00:35 |
| hux_ | I'll get a que ticket for #ubuntu lol | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | if it says ubuntu, that means you are running unity 3d | 00:36 |
| ali1234 | that means your graphics driver works correctly | 00:36 |
| ali1234 | and there's no reason why it wouldn't, since it is intel | 00:37 |
| hux_ | ali1234, Got wobbly windows on and autohide off :) | 01:00 |
| ali1234 | cool | 01:00 |
| hux_ | thanx 4 ur help :) | 01:00 |
| hux_ | I just had to go back into cssm settings again | 01:00 |
| === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest36053 | ||
| AlanBell | morning all | 06:58 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 07:03 |
| DJones | Morning all | 07:22 |
| DJones | AlanBell: They were talking about this on the news this morning, I wondered if there was anything that could be used/linked into an ubuntu hour somewhere http://raceonline2012.org/giveanhour (With it being raceonline, you may have already picked up on it) | 07:24 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Community Survey Results - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-results/ | 07:27 |
| freakyclown | is there a nice simple gui way to set the hdd in a lappy running 11.10 to spin down? | 07:28 |
| daubers | Morning | 07:28 |
| * daubers has just flicked through Jonos survey results | 07:28 | |
| daubers | The graph on page 7 is a bit worrying | 07:29 |
| === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest93881 | ||
| DJones | daubers: Have you got a link for the graph, I missed the link on twitter | 07:40 |
| DJones | sorry, link for the survey | 07:40 |
| AlanBell | freakyclown: tinker with the hdparm options -S and -B | 07:41 |
| AlanBell | I love the hdparm man page | 07:42 |
| freakyclown | yeah i saw that as an option - wondered if there was a funky built in option yet | 07:42 |
| AlanBell | "VERY DANGEROUS, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT USING IT." | 07:42 |
| freakyclown | yeah ;) | 07:43 |
| AlanBell | "This is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and will very likely cause massive loss of data. DO NOT USE THIS COMMAND. | 07:43 |
| AlanBell | stuff you really want to see in a man page :) | 07:43 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: at least it's honest | 07:43 |
| AlanBell | freakyclown: there probably should be a simple GUI for it that doesn't expose the really scary options | 07:45 |
| freakyclown | AlanBell: i can wait while you make one kthnx | 07:51 |
| freakyclown | :) | 07:51 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 07:53 |
| AlanBell | sudo hdparm -S1 -B1 /dev/sda | 07:57 |
| freakyclown | what about noflushd? | 07:57 |
| AlanBell | that should basically shut it down every 5 seconds of doing nothing, you can change the numbers to be less agressive | 07:57 |
| AlanBell | freakyclown: noflushd doesn't like ext3 | 07:59 |
| AlanBell | or other journaling filesystems | 08:00 |
| freakyclown | k | 08:00 |
| AlanBell | not sure how much it really helps on your boot drive anyway | 08:00 |
| freakyclown | me either | 08:00 |
| AlanBell | I use the hdparm spindown on a disk mounted on a server that does backups | 08:00 |
| freakyclown | so why S1 and B1? | 08:01 |
| freakyclown | as in why those numbers? | 08:01 |
| AlanBell | the server (little home server) boots from an SD card and is no moving parts most of the day, but at night the HDD spins up | 08:01 |
| AlanBell | S1 means 5 seconds S2 is 10 seconds and bigger numbers mean longer time but it isn't in constant increments | 08:02 |
| AlanBell | I found S did nothing at all unless B was activated which is the general power management setting | 08:02 |
| AlanBell | B sets the APM_level | 08:03 |
| AlanBell | S1 is probably too agressive, the thing will be constantly spinning up and down | 08:04 |
| AlanBell | but it means you don't have long to wait to hear it working | 08:04 |
| MartijnVdS | Isn't there a "put my disk to sleep" option in the power management menu? | 08:05 |
| MartijnVdS | because there used to be | 08:05 |
| AlanBell | can't see one | 08:06 |
| MartijnVdS | another "feature" removed for Gnome 3 | 08:06 |
| freakyclown | well it powered down - then almost immediatly back up | 08:06 |
| MartijnVdS | freakyclown: it spins back up every time you access the disk, of course | 08:06 |
| MartijnVdS | freakyclown: that's why the 5-second delay is too short -- it'll damage the disk a lot by constantly spinning up/down | 08:07 |
| freakyclown | yeah im thinking 5seconds is too short too ;) | 08:07 |
| MartijnVdS | Just keeping it on the default setting should be fine -- afaik the laptop-scripts put the disk in sleep-after-a-while mode if you unplug | 08:07 |
| freakyclown | ah i see what keeps waking it up - logging on pidgin bugger :( | 08:08 |
| AlanBell | yeah, that kind of thing goes on all the time | 08:09 |
| freakyclown | utterly wank as i cant disable logging on work rooms | 08:09 |
| AlanBell | there is always something that wants to write somewhere | 08:09 |
| freakyclown | thats what i thought the noflushd thing solved | 08:09 |
| AlanBell | log to something solid state | 08:09 |
| AlanBell | sd card or USB | 08:10 |
| freakyclown | i cant it has to be a hardware encrypted drive | 08:10 |
| AlanBell | ah, ok | 08:10 |
| AlanBell | maybe a non-journalled partition | 08:11 |
| MartijnVdS | freakyclown: replace the disk with an SSD - those do hardware crypto | 08:11 |
| MartijnVdS | they also don't spin up/down ever ;) | 08:11 |
| freakyclown | does anyone know that guy? ^tmb? | 08:14 |
| freakyclown | i work with a tmb! | 08:14 |
| AlanBell | context? | 08:15 |
| DJones | freakyclown: whois says "Timothy Miles-Board" | 08:15 |
| freakyclown | AlanBell: rofl NO hate those guys | 08:16 |
| vauxhall | Has anyone had any trouble booting ubuntu 11.10 lately? | 08:16 |
| freakyclown | vauxhall: yes since i installed it ;) | 08:16 |
| vauxhall | freakyclown: ^^ ...I've installed it as well, but sometimes it freezes during boot.. | 08:17 |
| vauxhall | here's how i've set it up...i've installed ubuntu in an 80Gig partition on my second hard-drive... | 08:18 |
| freakyclown | http://thegreyhats.blogspot.com/ | 08:18 |
| vauxhall | and grub is installed on my first(primary) harddrive.. | 08:19 |
| freakyclown | see if it falls into any of those issues | 08:19 |
| vauxhall | freakyclown: nope | 08:20 |
| vauxhall | freakyclown: its just that it gets to grub..and i get a purple screen after that. | 08:20 |
| === Guest93881 is now known as GirlyGirl | ||
| bigcalm | Morning awake things :) | 08:31 |
| DJones | Its monday, we're not awake | 08:32 |
| MartijnVdS | awhatnow? | 08:36 |
| bigcalm | Well, I was hoping | 08:37 |
| JamesTait | Happy morning, everyone! :D | 08:37 |
| daubers | DJones: Sorry, had a meeting http://t.co/sdyJKAnO :) | 08:45 |
| DJones | daubers: No worries, mr google found it for | 08:45 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:09 |
| DJones | Fred0: /join #defocus | 09:10 |
| DJones | Grr | 09:10 |
| * bigcalm blurs DJones | 09:13 | |
| popey | Good morning. | 09:14 |
| bigcalm | Ho popey | 09:14 |
| DJones | bigcalm: I'm blurred enough today | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | DJones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIEsmGzo2UE | 09:21 |
| DJones | Ugh, Never liked them | 09:21 |
| MartijnVdS | DJones: ah, you're from the Oasis camp? :) | 09:22 |
| DJones | MartijnVdS: Nope, don't like them either :) | 09:22 |
| DJones | MartijnVdS: I have a wierd & varied musical taste, ranges from Old Lady Driver, Slayer, Nick Cave up to opera & classical :) But just quite picking about what gets my attention | 09:24 |
| MartijnVdS | DJones: I like lots of different kinds of music too, but somehow my CD shelves fill up with singer/songwriters (both male and female) :) | 09:26 |
| MartijnVdS | Though I've decided this is a Turin Brakes morning :) | 09:29 |
| gordonjcp | morning | 09:37 |
| gordonjcp | what's the Unity equivalent of the Gnome "Places" menu? | 09:38 |
| gordonjcp | or rather, how do I mount a remote SMB share without resorting to the command-line? | 09:38 |
| brobostigon | gordonjcp: connect to, in nautillus's file menu. | 09:39 |
| gordonjcp | <baffled> | 09:39 |
| gordonjcp | the what? | 09:40 |
| brobostigon | gordonjcp: nautilus is your gui file manager, if you go into its file menu, you will see a connect to function. | 09:40 |
| gordonjcp | I ran nautilus but it just gave me a window with some squares | 09:41 |
| gordonjcp | ah, hang on, Mac menu | 09:41 |
| brobostigon | gordonjcp: you will see uits function menu below its windows controls. | 09:42 |
| brobostigon | ah, sorry, global menu, yes. | 09:42 |
| gordonjcp | I'm giving Ubuntu a shot for a week *without* fixing the problems | 09:43 |
| brobostigon | ah. | 09:43 |
| gordonjcp | so far I've found the window buttons being on the wrong side to be merely annoying in a "wash the windows at every junction" way | 09:43 |
| gordonjcp | and the Mac menu to be at best horribly confusing and at worst totally unusable | 09:44 |
| gordonjcp | and the mac dock thing on the left with all the squares isn't exactly fun either | 09:44 |
| brobostigon | the global menu, yes, i have heard several such issues. | 09:44 |
| * MartijnVdS grabs a bunch of torches and pitchforks, throws a few to gordonjcp and brobostigon | 09:44 | |
| gordonjcp | if I wanted to use OSX I'd use OSX | 09:44 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: :( | 09:44 |
| gordonjcp | I don't want to use OSX because it's a badly-designed pile of weirdness | 09:45 |
| gordonjcp | turning it through 90 degrees doesn't help | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: Well, you need those before marching to the Canonical HQ right? | 09:45 |
| shauno | I wouldn't mind the global menu, if the autohide thing was an option. pretending it's not there is aweful for muscle-memory | 09:45 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: need what? | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: torches and pitchforks | 09:45 |
| nymwar | I don't like the hidden global menu. Too much mouse dragging and confusion when there are multiple windows. Currently I'm using Gnome shell. | 09:45 |
| oimon | thinking of getting a front porch and my neighbours porch encroaches onto my property by about 6 inches where i would like to place my porch...what to do i wonder | 09:45 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: no, not needed. to uncivilised. | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | I've just uninstalled all the global menu bits | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | Unity works fine without | 09:46 |
| nymwar | Didn't know you could uninstall it. | 09:46 |
| oimon | you can disable it without uninstalling anything | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | dpkg --purge appmenu-{gtk{,3},qt} firefox-globalmenu thunderbird-globalmenu | 09:46 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: that doesn't work for me though. Uninstalling does. | 09:47 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: what did you try? echo "export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=" > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/81ubuntumenuproxy ? | 09:47 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: same, but to 99local | 09:47 |
| gordonjcp | I wish in the app menu windows key thing the squares were smaller and the text was bigger | 09:47 |
| === pancro is now known as pancro_call | ||
| davmor2 | morning all | 09:57 |
| MartijnVdS | \o davmor2 | 09:58 |
| MooDoo | hi davmor2 | 09:58 |
| davmor2 | Ah finally tickets for the train got for Wednesday getting ready to rumble | 10:00 |
| davmor2 | morning MartijnVdS MooDoo how are you both | 10:01 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: yeah not bad thanks | 10:02 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod, wake up, prod, Oi, prod, Wakey Wakey! | 10:02 |
| === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest41754 | ||
| oimon | who looks after http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ ? i don't think it is active | 10:03 |
| MooDoo | oimon: last generated this morning | 10:03 |
| popey | Statistics generated on Monday 24 October 2011 - 9:55:03 | 10:03 |
| MooDoo | what he said | 10:03 |
| oimon | i don't know if it's accurately gettin gth elogs thogh | 10:04 |
| Laney | seems like a rather small number of lines | 10:04 |
| Laney | was it reset? | 10:04 |
| * popey checks it | 10:04 | |
| oimon | i pressed refresh from an older time, and none of the lines changed except for the update time | 10:05 |
| popey | Session Close: Wed Sep 14 05:03:36 2011 | 10:07 |
| popey | that'll be why | 10:07 |
| oimon | the logbot? | 10:08 |
| popey | the statbot | 10:09 |
| dwatkins | Statistics generated on Monday 24 October 2011 - 9:55:03 | 10:09 |
| dwatkins | ah right, the log it's working on ends earlier | 10:09 |
| popey | should come back soon | 10:10 |
| popey | there we are | 10:10 |
| popey | :D | 10:10 |
| popey | hmmmm | 10:10 |
| popey | its not logging, which is odd | 10:12 |
| bigcalm | Disc space? | 10:12 |
| bigcalm | Permissions? | 10:12 |
| bigcalm | Sun spots? | 10:12 |
| oimon | max file size? | 10:12 |
| bigcalm | The cause of the problem is: | 10:13 |
| bigcalm | static from nylon underwear | 10:13 |
| oimon | saw popey's brother on QI the other day | 10:14 |
| bigcalm | Elvis? | 10:15 |
| bigcalm | I like this one "disks spinning backwards - toggle the hemisphere jumper" | 10:16 |
| oimon | ross noble | 10:16 |
| popey | how odd, just wont log | 10:16 |
| oimon | strace? | 10:17 |
| oimon | Netflix is to launch a streaming service in the UK and the Irish Republic next year. | 10:20 |
| popey | not sure I care enough oimon :D | 10:20 |
| oimon | just in time for the linux client \o/ | 10:20 |
| oimon | popey: don't blame you | 10:20 |
| oimon | i had a power cut @ weekend..all servers went down after UPS drained | 10:21 |
| bigcalm | Grrr. There's a DD on my account that just shows up as a DD. The company it is for will show up tomorrow, but that's a whole day of wondering I have to endure | 10:25 |
| === Guest41754 is now known as Girly-Girl | ||
| bigcalm | Oh. PayPal | 10:26 |
| bigcalm | Weird | 10:26 |
| === pancro_call is now known as pancro | ||
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Ummm D'oh! | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | I'm used to PayPal using my creditcard, but recently I reverted to using my main account | 10:31 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I meant more the fact that they named it DD | 10:32 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Not the most helpful thing in the world :) | 10:33 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: the transaction is showing as being done today, the full statement version will be visible tomorrow | 10:34 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Ah okay | 10:34 |
| hoover | hi all | 10:36 |
| davmor2 | hoover: morning | 10:36 |
| bigcalm | Howdy hoovie | 10:36 |
| hoover | Hi Biggie, davmor2 | 10:36 |
| KrisDouglas | Hello, I know this is a rather petty question, but is there a way to stop the window controls from "auto-hiding" on Ubuntu, it's really quite counter-intuitive. | 10:37 |
| popey | http://askubuntu.com/questions/25789/is-there-a-way-to-remove-maximized-window-controls-title-from-top-panel-in-unity | 10:40 |
| KrisDouglas | popey, even with highly creative Googling i couldn't find that helpful, albeit depressing article. | 10:42 |
| KrisDouglas | I am getting slowly closer to losing the unity shell :( | 10:42 |
| popey | you suck at google :D | 10:44 |
| KrisDouglas | I was actually searching more along the lines of showing permanently rather than removing the feature entirely, which is where I went wrong. | 10:44 |
| bigcalm | I'd love to remove the drop shadow from windows in xfce | 10:46 |
| bigcalm | Somebody google that for me please? | 10:46 |
| popey | http://askubuntu.com/questions/62502/are-there-3d-effects-on-xubuntu-hardware-accelerated-graphics/62503#62503 | 10:46 |
| popey | switch that off? | 10:47 |
| KrisDouglas | lol, was that a dig bigcalm? :) | 10:47 |
| bigcalm | KrisDouglas: not really, but it could be if you want ;) | 10:47 |
| KrisDouglas | bigcalm, I will let that one slip | 10:48 |
| KrisDouglas | =] | 10:48 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 10:48 |
| bigcalm | It's actually something that looks silly, so I'd rather do without | 10:48 |
| gordonjcp | I must admit, I don't like drop shadows | 10:49 |
| gordonjcp | the Gnome ones are really headache-inducing | 10:49 |
| gordonjcp | why would you want to add a visual element that makes your eyes think they're not focused properly, or that makes your monitor look broken? | 10:50 |
| bigcalm | Yay, done it | 10:50 |
| bigcalm | popey: ta :) | 10:50 |
| bigcalm | Found the one setting to disable rather than removing all fancy features | 10:50 |
| popey | KrisDouglas: what's the problem with the close buttons in the top left? | 10:55 |
| KrisDouglas | To be honest it's not an urgent thing, but when the window is not focused they are not visible, and you cannot focus the window by clicking on the panel (I have 2 monitors) so you can't close it until you re-focus the window, hover over the button and click. | 10:56 |
| KrisDouglas | Bit of a pain. | 10:56 |
| KrisDouglas | If that makes sense? | 10:57 |
| popey | it does | 10:58 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Twitter Residential Care homes no shock there then | 11:21 |
| KrisDouglas | I just noticed another interesting annoyance | 11:38 |
| KrisDouglas | if I want to restore a window which is maximised to a windowed state, i double click the panel and it unmaximises a window that has focus on the other screen | 11:39 |
| KrisDouglas | that's actually slightly more infuriating :) | 11:39 |
| === pancro is now known as pancro_away | ||
| davmor2 | popey: what happens if you ask siri, how much a walrus weighs? | 11:47 |
| popey | no idea | 11:49 |
| davmor2 | popey: try it absolute 80's have it giving out a hilarious reply | 11:51 |
| daubers | Wonder which search engine siri uses underneath it all | 11:56 |
| popey | it can use multiple | 11:57 |
| Dave | Lycos. | 11:57 |
| popey | wolfram-alpha is used heavily AIUI | 11:57 |
| popey | dogpile | 11:57 |
| Dave | Hotbot | 11:57 |
| Daviey | infoseek | 12:04 |
| KrisDouglas | I like Iris on Android, she has a good sense of humour. | 12:06 |
| freakyclown | daubers: maybe the new search engine from mc hammer? | 12:07 |
| popey | yeah, i played with siri a bit | 12:07 |
| popey | was amusing to dictate a text message to her whilst driving | 12:07 |
| popey | and get a reply which was dictated by the other guy using siri, and then read out by siri at my end | 12:07 |
| freakyclown | http://www.billboard.com/news/mc-hammer-search-engine-wiredoo-1005427312.story#/news/mc-hammer-search-engine-wiredoo-1005427312.story | 12:07 |
| freakyclown | popey: i played with siri a fair bit the other week | 12:08 |
| freakyclown | far far too much fun just on its own! | 12:08 |
| popey | yeah | 12:08 |
| popey | shame it's restricted in many ways in the UK | 12:08 |
| freakyclown | i might buy the misses an iphone just so i can play with siri | 12:08 |
| freakyclown | http://shitthatsirisays.tumblr.com/ | 12:09 |
| MartijnVdS | freakyclown: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/24/iris-siri-android | 12:09 |
| freakyclown | i shall install that on my tablet later tonight :D | 12:10 |
| KrisDouglas | iris is becoming a genuine competitor | 12:13 |
| freakyclown | i think if google got behind it properly it would be much better | 12:14 |
| === MichealH is now known as MH0 | ||
| gordonjcp | in Arch Linux, the standard way to make packages is to build them in a clean chroot so you can tell you've got the deps right - what's the Ubuntu equivalent? | 12:27 |
| piffer111 | Hello! My packaging system has become corrupted after an unclean shutdown. :( | 12:27 |
| ali1234 | gordonjcp: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage | 12:28 |
| piffer111 | Whenever I try to do anything at all using apt or dpkg, I get: "dpkg: warning: files list file for package `tzdata-java' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. | 12:28 |
| piffer111 | (Reading database ... 55%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: | 12:28 |
| piffer111 | files list file for package 'libk5crypto3' is missing final newline | 12:28 |
| piffer111 | " | 12:28 |
| ali1234 | that won't warn you about deps though | 12:28 |
| piffer111 | Can anyone offer any suggestions? | 12:28 |
| piffer111 | Yes, I tried Googling | 12:28 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: and fakeroot assumes a completely clean environment, no additional packages? | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | no | 12:29 |
| ali1234 | it's fake | 12:29 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: okay, I suspect that's not going to be the same thing then | 12:30 |
| * czajkowski stabs davmor2 and runs away | 12:30 | |
| oimon | :( my phone refuses to mount on my box even after switching usb ports now :( | 12:30 |
| ali1234 | gordonjcp: launchpad assumes a clean state | 12:31 |
| popey | gordonjcp: pbuilder is a good way to simulate that | 12:32 |
| * davmor2 tickles czajkowski just cause | 12:32 | |
| gordonjcp | pbuilder seems to be the thing I want to google for, thanks | 12:32 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: I don't want to use launchpad if I can avoid it | 12:32 |
| ali1234 | understandable | 12:33 |
| ali1234 | you can't use it for building without signing the CoC anyway | 12:33 |
| gordonjcp | yeah, I have no intentions of signing the CoC | 12:34 |
| gordonjcp | I did sign it previously, then revoked it because of Unity | 12:34 |
| ali1234 | lol | 12:34 |
| popey | lol | 12:34 |
| gordonjcp | it's a bit of a one-way street | 12:34 |
| ali1234 | that's a stupid reason | 12:35 |
| ali1234 | there are plenty of better ones | 12:35 |
| gordonjcp | "here you go, sign this, you've got to play by our rules but if you want anything you can get stuffed" | 12:35 |
| ali1234 | well yeah | 12:35 |
| gordonjcp | "oh you actually want a usable desktop? get stuffed" | 12:35 |
| gordonjcp | "accessibility? get stuffed, what do you think this is?" | 12:35 |
| ali1234 | it's been that way since a while before unity though | 12:35 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: yes, but Unity was the point where I could no longer use Ubuntu | 12:36 |
| ali1234 | the CoC isn't the same as the copyright assignment if you want to contribute anything to canonical projects | 12:36 |
| oimon | so long as other DEs are available we just have to accept it | 12:36 |
| ali1234 | that's far worse | 12:36 |
| gordonjcp | oimon: <shrug> | 12:36 |
| ali1234 | the CoC is basically just common sense | 12:36 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: that too | 12:36 |
| oimon | ubuntu is > unity | 12:36 |
| ali1234 | in fact that's why i refuse to sign it | 12:36 |
| gordonjcp | I still find Unity extremely hard to use, but the fact that the little squares now have tooltips helps | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | they always had tooltips | 12:37 |
| clockwatch | I wouldn't say that Unity made Ubuntu unusable | 12:37 |
| ali1234 | they just didn't work due to a bug | 12:37 |
| gordonjcp | clockwatch: well, at least in the early versions it was impossible to tell what was going on | 12:37 |
| clockwatch | In the past I've used operating systems with far less usability | 12:38 |
| oimon | unity does remind me of an IT project that is a failure but the boss doesn't admit it | 12:38 |
| gordonjcp | clockwatch: the thing that screwed me up was that the conventional taskbar had been replaced by a strip of identical little squares with no indication of function | 12:38 |
| ali1234 | clockwatch: beos? | 12:38 |
| clockwatch | no | 12:38 |
| gordonjcp | beos was quite good | 12:38 |
| gordonjcp | Haiku is quite good | 12:38 |
| ali1234 | are we talking about the same beos? | 12:39 |
| ali1234 | the one where they replaced the conventional taskbar with a strip of button, except they don't have icons and everything has silly names? | 12:39 |
| brobostigon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beos is what gordonjcp is refferring to. :) | 12:40 |
| oimon | remember solaris CDE? | 12:42 |
| oimon | http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/cde15solaris9 it was the colours and the sluggishness ugh | 12:42 |
| ali1234 | i do | 12:43 |
| brobostigon | oimon: if memory serves, xfce was originally inspired by, that. | 12:43 |
| ali1234 | nice screensaver though | 12:43 |
| oimon | brobostigon: which is probably why i remove xfce-panel before i do anything on it | 12:44 |
| oimon | similarly on gnome2 the bottom panel goes | 12:44 |
| oimon | solaris openwindows was sweet thoguh | 12:44 |
| brobostigon | oimon: i havent actually used CDE, only seem pictures of. | 12:45 |
| oimon | in my previous life i was solaris admin | 12:45 |
| brobostigon | ah. | 12:46 |
| brobostigon | but i think the best, lightest, simplest gui, i have used upto now, is haiku's. | 12:46 |
| oimon | when solaris switched from openwindows -> CDE, you didn't have a choice that what the way it was. c'est la vie | 12:47 |
| brobostigon | ah, i see. | 12:47 |
| oimon | i stopped using solaris boxes as desktop PCs after that | 12:47 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 12:48 |
| oimon | unity might suck but we have choice :) | 12:48 |
| oimon | i tried beos on a VM a little while ago | 12:48 |
| brobostigon | exactly, :) | 12:48 |
| oimon | still going, isn't it? | 12:49 |
| brobostigon | oimon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system) | 12:49 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 12:49 |
| oimon | when i ran windows, i used to used the blackbox shell replacement for a while :) | 12:50 |
| brobostigon | not fam,ilier with, sorry. | 12:50 |
| davmor2 | oimon: you need to use minuetos :) you can do what you like with it as long as you're binary is up to scratch ;) | 12:50 |
| oimon | blackbox shell replacement was a fluxbox DE for windows | 12:51 |
| brobostigon | oimon: ah, interesting. | 12:51 |
| oimon | davmor2: never seen that one before | 12:52 |
| davmor2 | oimon: tis pretty | 12:52 |
| oimon | will have to choose an OS to run on my eee pc 701 when my son gets it | 12:53 |
| oimon | in a year or os | 12:53 |
| oimon | so | 12:53 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: how old will he be then? | 12:54 |
| oimon | between 2 1/2 - 3 | 12:54 |
| oimon | he is pretty good on my tablet pc right now | 12:54 |
| === pancro_away is now known as pancro | ||
| KrisDouglas | My boss' three year old can install iPhone apps. | 12:59 |
| KrisDouglas | and of course, play them... | 13:00 |
| oimon | my sprog with touchpad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJdoB0k3DOw | 13:01 |
| KrisDouglas | oimon, that's incredible. | 13:02 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: Does he always shake his index finger when he's thinking? :) | 13:03 |
| oimon | he's pointing..he likes doing that. when he reads a paper book he taps the pages until you tell him what the thing is | 13:04 |
| oimon | but he knows not to tap the touchscreen or it will start zooming everywhere | 13:04 |
| oimon | so he "air-points" | 13:04 |
| oimon | i feel for the kids that are subjected to loose women and eastenders during the daytime. kids soak up *everything* | 13:05 |
| brobostigon | agreed, they shouldnt have to deal with populerist drivel. | 13:07 |
| clockwatch | popularist drivel has always existed | 13:07 |
| * brobostigon doesnt like, nor watches populerist drivel. | 13:08 | |
| MartijnVdS | clockwatch: as have parents that either expose or shield their kids from it | 13:08 |
| popey | brobostigon: you watch top gear | 13:08 |
| * brobostigon would rather watch, QI, to any soap. | 13:09 | |
| clockwatch | I was never much of a TV watcher anyway | 13:09 |
| brobostigon | popey: good point, but not a populerist, as other things, which have far higher viewing figures. | 13:09 |
| oimon | there are some programmes we might watch while he's in the room, but usually neutral stuff such as grand deisgns | 13:09 |
| MartijnVdS | Doctor Who | 13:10 |
| oimon | no way - not for kids | 13:10 |
| oimon | i couldn't believe that merlin is showing on cbbc | 13:10 |
| popey | http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weekly-top-programmes-overview | 13:10 |
| clockwatch | Dr Who was created as a TV show for kids with a vaguely science related theme | 13:10 |
| popey | HIGNFY brobostigon ? | 13:11 |
| ali1234 | and it still is | 13:11 |
| ali1234 | except without the science | 13:11 |
| oimon | it's certainly not for kids anymore | 13:11 |
| ali1234 | yes it is | 13:11 |
| ali1234 | it's certainly not for adults | 13:11 |
| clockwatch | you mean there's kissing? | 13:11 |
| brobostigon | popey: that is quite specialist, with unfortunate, lack of popular interest. | 13:12 |
| clockwatch | I havn't seen any recent Dr Whos, but I remember there was minimal violence and certainly no sex | 13:12 |
| ali1234 | ian hislop destroying that awful tory woman last week was quite amusing | 13:13 |
| popey | it was :D | 13:13 |
| oimon | there are episodes that are scary in a disturbing way , and plenty more reasons why i wouldn't let an under-10 watch it | 13:13 |
| popey | I do like Alexander Armstrong | 13:13 |
| clockwatch | Oh they were always scary for kids, but that was part of the fun | 13:13 |
| brobostigon | i still laugh my head of, of the last ep, that deayton was in HIGNFY. | 13:13 |
| oimon | "new" dr who (since RTD/eccleston return) preaches a world-view to kids that they shouldn't be expsoed to since adults handle things differently - they can dismiss it if they don't agree etc. | 13:14 |
| clockwatch | what is the new world view? | 13:15 |
| clockwatch | surely the Doctor's view is relative | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | it has got a lot more politically correct | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | but everything on TV has | 13:15 |
| clockwatch | oh, that's a shame | 13:16 |
| brobostigon | oimon: ah, you mean like the gay bedroom scenes, in the most recent torchwood? | 13:16 |
| oimon | don't watch torchwood but there were blatant themes in RTD's stuff. plus god complex stuff. dr who was never a messiah figure | 13:17 |
| MartijnVdS | Good thing Moffat took over then | 13:17 |
| oimon | i don't like the perversion of the religious imagery. | 13:18 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 13:18 |
| oimon | moffat hasn't been perfect. he's certainly made more discturbing ones | 13:18 |
| ali1234 | such as? | 13:18 |
| oimon | the lift one | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: don't blink :) | 13:18 |
| ali1234 | i tend not to notice religious imagery so i must have missed it | 13:18 |
| oimon | yeah -that was scary for adults! | 13:18 |
| popey | there was a big one when the master came back | 13:18 |
| popey | getting everyone to chant doctors name | 13:18 |
| oimon | i see it in every episode | 13:18 |
| ali1234 | i think i missed those episodes | 13:18 |
| brobostigon | i would rather it be entirly religeonless, if that can be imagined, than having the silly discussions, that come, when religeon is mentioned. really. | 13:19 |
| popey | he came back to life, surrounded by a halo | 13:19 |
| popey | and then floated across the room, arms outstreched like he was on a cross | 13:19 |
| ali1234 | didn't he also shoot force lightning in that one? | 13:19 |
| popey | i think so | 13:19 |
| ali1234 | i lol'd at that | 13:19 |
| popey | and hugged master, forgiving him | 13:19 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: I think you're confusing The Doctor with the pope now | 13:19 |
| ali1234 | was that the episode where he had to eat people to stay alive? | 13:19 |
| clockwatch | The timelords will disapprove | 13:19 |
| ali1234 | by shooting them with lighting out of his eyes or something | 13:20 |
| popey | the master, yes | 13:20 |
| ali1234 | i didn't know timelords could do that | 13:20 |
| brobostigon | however. as a representation of the master, john simm, did very well. | 13:20 |
| oimon | anyway i think these things can send a confusing message to young kids | 13:20 |
| oimon | and is as damaging as scary stories | 13:20 |
| popey | no more confusing than the sky-fairy stories they get at school | 13:20 |
| oimon | remember "are you my mummy"? i was freaked out by that one! | 13:20 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: Another Moffat episode :) | 13:21 |
| ali1234 | oh come on, it wasn't that scary | 13:21 |
| clockwatch | anything which makes you think outside of the box a bit is good. | 13:21 |
| gordonjcp | heh | 13:21 |
| gordonjcp | "Blink" | 13:21 |
| gordonjcp | I've always found statues a bit sinister anyway | 13:21 |
| oimon | clockwatch: as an adult yeah, but kids get a confused jumble of everything | 13:21 |
| ali1234 | that recent episode in the spooky hotel was the only scary episode i can remember. and that's only scary if you;ve seen the shining | 13:21 |
| brobostigon | i would favour, leaving detail, and letting people make their own judgement, on how they interpret it, than shielding people, because of the way they could possibly interpret the scenes. | 13:22 |
| gordonjcp | I had this weird dream the other night with strange white-robed figures that were sort of half-standing half-floating | 13:22 |
| gordonjcp | not quite aliens and not quite humans | 13:22 |
| ali1234 | i quite enjoyed that episode due to it not being about saving the entire universe for once. | 13:22 |
| oimon | ali1234: i'm not that subsceptible but the shining is the scariest film i've seen, wish i'd never seen it | 13:22 |
| gordonjcp | and when they spoke their voices sounded like MPT1327 trunking bursts | 13:22 |
| MartijnVdS | gordonjcp: what the rhinos? | 13:23 |
| gordonjcp | except they had a sort of an accent and couldn't pronounce the framing bits, so I couldn't work out what they were saying | 13:23 |
| oimon | i think star wars ep4,5,6 is better for kids | 13:25 |
| oimon | and it's a true story too :D | 13:25 |
| livingdaylight | convert *.jpg foo.pdf | 13:27 |
| livingdaylight | can somone tell me what is 'foo' please? | 13:28 |
| MartijnVdS | livingdaylight: the name you want your output PDF file toe get | 13:28 |
| MartijnVdS | to get* | 13:28 |
| livingdaylight | gotcha, thanks MartijnVdS | 13:28 |
| oimon | or are you asking the origins of the words foo and bar? | 13:28 |
| livingdaylight | no, I was just seeking the practical side to it | 13:29 |
| oimon | :) | 13:29 |
| * daubers will resist another cup of coffee until 3pm | 13:33 | |
| davmor2 | daubers: drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink drink | 13:35 |
| clockwatch | I should set up a rule for repeated words | 13:35 |
| * daubers gaffa tapes davmor2 to the ceiling | 13:36 | |
| MartijnVdS | watch out for Lionel | 13:37 |
| MartijnVdS | he's dancing up there | 13:38 |
| * davmor2 nail guns daubers below him so he has something soft to land on when the gaffa tape gives way | 13:38 | |
| MartijnVdS | http://i.imgur.com/X5g02.jpg | 13:38 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: ^ Doctor Who vs Star Wars | 13:39 |
| oimon | lol | 13:39 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: nice :) | 13:41 |
| oimon | what's the maximum latency you would accept on a LAN? i'm thinking for NFS purposes | 13:42 |
| gordonjcp | hm, adblock removed from apt? | 13:42 |
| daubers | oimon: What are you serving up across NFS? | 13:42 |
| oimon | daubers: home directories for 150 users via automount | 13:43 |
| daubers | oimon: In that case, as long as you have a nice chunky raid and a nice fat pipe to the NFS server, I wouldn't worry about latency. I'd be more worried about the network bandwidth and disk speed | 13:44 |
| oimon | daubers: the reason i'm asking is due to a proposal to move my NFS server offsite to a central location | 13:44 |
| oimon | the difference would be bandwidth and latency | 13:45 |
| daubers | oimon: Connected to that central location via what? (Please don't say single gigabit) | 13:45 |
| oimon | this is what i'm trying to establish. there's some fibre connections but i don't know if they are 10gb or 1gb | 13:45 |
| popey | iperf to test them? | 13:46 |
| daubers | if it was single gige, I'd go mental. Is this an office or education type setting? | 13:46 |
| oimon | daubers: currently unsure because i house all servers here, and i only care about getting my 1gb internet | 13:47 |
| oimon | but certainly nothing is happening until i get assurances..but it's hard to stop the steamroller of IT upper mgt sometimes | 13:47 |
| oimon | .ac.uk | 13:47 |
| MartijnVdS | upper-mgt.ac.uk? | 13:48 |
| oimon | monkeys.ac.uk | 13:48 |
| daubers | oimon: Ooof.... so quite likely that all 150 of those students will log on simultaniously, so over single gig-e with a max throughput on an nfs server of maybe 110MB/s they'll get 0.73MB/s, that'll be some speedy loading times (I hope these are linux homes, and not windows desktops?) | 13:49 |
| oimon | not to mention the many TB of scratch space that is regularly copied around | 13:50 |
| daubers | oimon: Scratch space? These for video editing users? | 13:51 |
| oimon | finding new planets | 13:51 |
| oimon | that kind of stuff | 13:51 |
| daubers | Ah, ok. In that case, you want 10GbE :) | 13:51 |
| MartijnVdS | or better ;) | 13:51 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: RAID will probably be slower than 10GbE can give | 13:52 |
| oimon | my network is pretty healthy right now though | 13:52 |
| oimon | i don't want that to break :( | 13:52 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: unless you expand to some huge fc san | 13:52 |
| daubers | Though I am fitting a customer with infiniband to a raid in a few months | 13:52 |
| oimon | nearly all my servers are on my SAN now. wish i had a second SAN :S | 13:53 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: Pah, don't need fc to be fast, most fc sans wig out at a gig and a bit per second anyway because of the metadata servers | 13:53 |
| daubers | I've got 2 boxes downstairs that can easily outrun 99% of the sans on the planet at the moment | 13:53 |
| oimon | i'm running on 1G internally right now | 13:53 |
| daubers | oimon: What kind of san? Metasan/lan? | 13:54 |
| oimon | EQL SAN on iscsi | 13:54 |
| daubers | ick, iscsi | 13:54 |
| daubers | Are they now owned by dell? | 13:55 |
| oimon | yes | 13:56 |
| oimon | pleased with it | 13:57 |
| daubers | 16 bay chassis with sata/sas 3 disks.... probably peak at around 600-700MB/s in RAID 6 if their raid card is any good | 13:57 |
| gordonjcp | what the..? | 13:57 |
| gordonjcp | jackd1 depends on qjackctl? | 13:57 |
| gordonjcp | what on earth? | 13:57 |
| daubers | oimon: Seriously though, you do want a 10GbE link to the storage network across the buildings | 13:58 |
| daubers | Went into a uni that had a single gige link to their windows home folder store thing. Took the students 15 minutes to log on (think 400 students logging in simultaniously) | 13:58 |
| oimon | yes, i have asked the question , i would attempt to block any move without decent redundancy too | 13:58 |
| oimon | our network is good, their network flaky | 13:59 |
| daubers | heh | 13:59 |
| daubers | ooooh coffee time | 14:00 |
| * daubers won't be happy until he's managed to build a NAS that can provide 1/2TB/s | 14:02 | |
| MartijnVdS | but can you process it that fast? | 14:03 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: With about 10 clients, in one case I can | 14:03 |
| MartijnVdS | scary hardwarez | 14:03 |
| daubers | Maybe 20 clients | 14:03 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I love dealing with people working in Uncompressed 10bit dpx in 3D :) | 14:04 |
| * MartijnVdS saw the fibre digging people again today | 14:04 | |
| MartijnVdS | I'll get it "sometime in November" | 14:04 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ 500/500mbit _at home_ | 14:04 |
| oimon | ORLY? | 14:05 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i have seen bt doing that here. we will be due, sometime next year. | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: eindelijkglasvezel.nl :) | 14:05 |
| oimon | sorry your postcode is not ready :D | 14:06 |
| MartijnVdS | come to .nl ;) they want to get 100% coverage eventually (before 2020), and they're starting in smaller towns first | 14:08 |
| Monsterwizard | Would employees accept a CS grad for a systems programming job | 14:27 |
| Monsterwizard | I'm more intested in low level development | 14:27 |
| MooDoo | Monsterwizard: if they can do the job why now | 14:27 |
| MooDoo | not | 14:27 |
| oimon | from which university | 14:28 |
| Monsterwizard | University of the West of England? | 14:29 |
| Monsterwizard | How important is the degree? | 14:30 |
| Monsterwizard | I mean, my skills will never be limited to university | 14:30 |
| daubers | Monsterwizard: Depends on the employer | 14:30 |
| daubers | Monsterwizard: With larger companies it's almost a requirement unless you have lots of previous experience in a commercial environment | 14:31 |
| Monsterwizard | Well I am doing computer science but I realise that there's little opportunity to study low level development | 14:32 |
| Monsterwizard | and that's my goal :P | 14:32 |
| oimon | Monsterwizard: how far into degree are you? | 14:37 |
| Monsterwizard | 1 Month | 14:38 |
| oimon | :D | 14:39 |
| Monsterwizard | Too late to change though sadly | 14:40 |
| Monsterwizard | I guess I will just practice and study low development in my free time | 14:41 |
| oimon | change to what? | 14:41 |
| Monsterwizard | Computer Systems Integration? Or Electronic Engineering? | 14:41 |
| oimon | i did maths+CS..served me well | 14:41 |
| Monsterwizard | Sadly there isn't huge deal of maths in my degree | 14:43 |
| oimon | CS is a decent degree IMO and some coursemates are coders while others are sysadmins..none of us really knew what we wanted to do after graduation | 14:43 |
| oimon | just something with 'puters | 14:43 |
| Monsterwizard | only strongly related to Computer Science....it's almost a Software Engineering Degree :P | 14:43 |
| oimon | i was hired into a sysadmin role without ever using root | 14:43 |
| Monsterwizard | lol | 14:43 |
| oimon | linux didn't exist in those days | 14:43 |
| Monsterwizard | Will I be at a disadvantage because I didn't study calculus or Algebra? | 14:44 |
| Monsterwizard | at university level? | 14:44 |
| oimon | doing CS? no | 14:46 |
| Monsterwizard | Are you sure? | 14:47 |
| _jane | 12 | 14:47 |
| Monsterwizard | Because many foreign CS courses seem to do lots of Algebra and Calculus | 14:48 |
| oimon | i did my degree in the 90s so best ask others in here :P | 14:48 |
| Monsterwizard | Still your contribution would be vaild | 14:49 |
| oimon | there was a tiny amount IMO. i remember writing a C program to perform integration as part of a lab exercise. i don't think maths was a necessary or significant component of the CS course. | 14:52 |
| oimon | a bigger issue IMO is maths undergrads who haven't taken further maths alevel | 14:52 |
| Monsterwizard | Good. That makes me feel better. Although for the sake of valuable knowledge, I'll eventually learn high level maths | 14:52 |
| Monsterwizard | ahh hI see | 14:53 |
| Monsterwizard | I want to study the equalient of A-levell maths without buying A-level mathhs books | 14:53 |
| Monsterwizard | lol I'm fed up with seeing 'A-Level' D: | 14:53 |
| oimon | maybe spend your time learning C :) | 14:54 |
| oimon | what prog language is on the syllabus? | 14:54 |
| Monsterwizard | Java D: | 14:54 |
| Monsterwizard | But in my speare time I learn C using a Programming gate aray | 14:55 |
| Monsterwizard | Mainly Java | 14:55 |
| Monsterwizard | A little bit of C++, | 14:55 |
| oimon | some guys i studied with got crappy degrees but were great programmers ( they couldn't be bothered to do the exams properly) | 14:57 |
| oimon | i did the opposite. crappy coder but great looking degree | 14:58 |
| Monsterwizard | lol | 14:58 |
| Monsterwizard | gtg lecture | 14:58 |
| Monsterwizard | thank you for your help | 14:58 |
| oimon | don't ask which is better though | 14:58 |
| * Myrtti waves fist at Parcelforce | 15:10 | |
| BigRedS | Is there a sane way to have tomboy data synced & available offline to a trio of machines, one Ubuntu, one Arch and one Debian? | 15:21 |
| BigRedS | or a sane alternative? | 15:21 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: any particular reason? | 15:22 |
| BigRedS | webdav looks promising, but it appears to be an alternative to storing it locally :/ | 15:22 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: dropbox? | 15:23 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: You could use U1 web interface to grab it all | 15:23 |
| BigRedS | davmor2: Ah yeah, that'd make sense. I forgot I could stick it on someone else's servers... | 15:23 |
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| === Girly-Girl is now known as GirlyGirl | ||
| bigcalm | Cleaning out some dead wood from twitter and facebook is invigorating | 15:29 |
| oimon | i clear old posts from fb regularly | 15:29 |
| bigcalm | I was talking about people | 15:29 |
| oimon | although fb keep them | 15:29 |
| oimon | ah lol | 15:30 |
| oimon | bug 818830 | 15:30 |
| lubotu3` | Launchpad bug 818830 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "[Sandy Bridge] serious power regression from kernel 3.0.0-6 to 3.0.0-7 (rc6 disabled)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818830 | 15:30 |
| RichTUK | hi all, im having some issues with my 8200m g nivida gfx card on 11.10, i have 4 drivers to choose from in the additional drivers however when i try them in system info it still tells me my gfx card is unknown and unity remains choppy | 15:30 |
| Myrtti | davmor2: ordered 4 hot water bottles and the tracking system leaves a bit to hope for | 15:31 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: haha you weren't expecting the tracker to be accurate were you? | 15:32 |
| bigcalm | Anybody know how to make skype messages more obvious in xfce? | 15:33 |
| bigcalm | Oh, bugger | 15:34 |
| bigcalm | The "Display pop-up notification" tickbox is greyed out :( | 15:34 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: how about an electric shock from a cattle prod wired into the ear phone jack? | 15:35 |
| bigcalm | Might work | 15:35 |
| oimon | bigcalm: use a dock with xfce? | 15:35 |
| bigcalm | oimon: such as? | 15:35 |
| davmor2 | ask on #xubuntu they use it so will likely know | 15:35 |
| oimon | docky has optional skype integration i believe | 15:36 |
| oimon | but davmor2 has wisest answer :P | 15:36 |
| bigcalm | Ah, ta | 15:36 |
| davmor2 | oimon: I know it's shocking but sometimes even I have moments of inspiration :) | 15:37 |
| oimon | until he finds only one bot sitting in#xubuntu | 15:37 |
| MooDoo | oimon: davmor2 and wise don't go together, you should know that ;) | 15:38 |
| davmor2 | oimon: in that case #xubuntu-devel | 15:38 |
| oimon | i'm sure it has plenty of unity refugees in #xubuntu anyway | 15:39 |
| MartijnVdS | as long as I can disable global menu and enable focus-follows-mouse, I don't care ;) | 15:39 |
| nymwar | So it's not only me that doesn't like the global menu | 15:40 |
| MartijnVdS | nymwar: not by a long shot :) | 15:40 |
| oimon | it's sooo wrong | 15:40 |
| nymwar | Initially I thought it was a good idea, until I started using it | 15:40 |
| oimon | the mouse gets worn out travelling so much | 15:41 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: it made me realise how little I use the menu to be honest :) I think I only really use it to change setting initially and then that's about it | 15:41 |
| oimon | doesn't seem touch friendly when they hide it too | 15:41 |
| oimon | i use libreoffice and firefox/chrome menus a lot | 15:41 |
| oimon | and email | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | I personally use Cairo-dock in my Xfce | 15:42 |
| oimon | none are maximised except maybe email inbox window | 15:42 |
| davmor2 | oimon: I do from time to time, but then I have all those maximised so the menu is where I expect it to be anyway | 15:42 |
| ali1234 | it's so annoying that you have to click in a window before you can unmaximize it | 15:43 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: why do you? | 15:44 |
| ali1234 | because if you don't the window controls aren't shown | 15:44 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: yes they are you move the cursor to the top no clicking and then click on minimise/unmaximise | 15:45 |
| ali1234 | nope, doesn't work | 15:45 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: yes it does I've just done it | 15:46 |
| bigcalm | Restarting skype has brough back osn | 15:49 |
| bigcalm | Maybe having skype start automatically is not working correctly | 15:49 |
| bigcalm | Loading it before the notifier or something | 15:50 |
| ali1234 | davmor2: nope http://imagebin.org/180571 | 15:50 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: That's already unmaximised | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | no it isn't | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | the window is filling the whole screen | 15:51 |
| ali1234 | how do i unmaximize it without clicking in it? | 15:51 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: yes that is because it is the application that has focus that has it's menu on the top | 15:52 |
| ali1234 | exactly | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | i don't want to unmaximize the window that has focus | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | it is already unmaximized | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | i want to unmaximize the maximized window without clicking in it | 15:53 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: out of interest what would you of done previously if the focus terminal was on top of the unmaximise button of the fullscreen terminal which was often the case? | 15:55 |
| ali1234 | i would have moved the focused terminal, and then clicked unmaximize | 15:56 |
| ali1234 | look, the point is, i have to deal with a lot of really touchy software where one wrong click can destroy hours of work | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | so i don't like randomly clicking in windows to focus them, before i can minimize them or move them around | 15:57 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: Yeap I get it but at the same time I don't, I've not yet closed anything I shouldn't of but then I have most windows fullscreen | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | i'm not talking about closing the wrong window | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | i'm talking about you click in a window and trigger a button that deletes all your work or crashes the program | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | or both | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | or you click in the window and it also sends a small drag event that moves something out of position (gimp) | 15:59 |
| * AlanBell agrees with ali1234 | 15:59 | |
| ali1234 | then you have to click "undo" and *then* you can minimize it | 15:59 |
| ali1234 | it's totally lame | 15:59 |
| AlanBell | non-focused maximised windows on the other screen don't have controls | 16:00 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: that's what I do that is different then I use the launcher to switch apps/windows and then click on whatever | 16:00 |
| ali1234 | i expected someone by now would have told me to unmaximize it by dragging the title bar | 16:00 |
| ali1234 | of course, this does not work when the global menu fills the whole width of the screen | 16:00 |
| ali1234 | when ever i click on the launcher it unminimizes all my windows and then i have to spend 10 minutes minimizing all but the one i wanted | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | which is also totally lame | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | i spend a lot of time minimizing things now | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | which is why this problem is all the more annoying | 16:02 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: yes it does, just tried it you grab the top left and pull down or in the middle on a menu and pull down | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | i just tried it and accidentally activated private browsing mode in firefox | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | it did unminimize as well, but then i had to clear an annoying modal dialog box | 16:03 |
| davmor2 | ali1234: actually your right it acts a bit hit and miss I'll write a bug for that | 16:03 |
| ali1234 | also unity in oneiric is a lot slower than it was in natty :( | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | when i drag a window it doesn't even move until about 3 seconds after i release the mouse button | 16:05 |
| oli | ali1234: yeah I'm getting that too at the moment :( | 16:06 |
| oli | Depends on the window, mind you. Firefox takes about a week to start moving but a terminal window is fairly fluid | 16:06 |
| ali1234 | it happens when running a 3d game or something on a different workspace | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | under natty, this worked fine | 16:07 |
| ali1234 | although it is still really choppy even after quitting it | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | not quite as bad though | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | basically desktop latency under load is now as bad as it was when i only had 4GB | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | maybe it is because i am using the light-themes and i haven't disabled those killer dropshadows | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | in natty i was using human theme, that was always much faster than the new ones | 16:09 |
| ali1234 | one good thing about unity is - no more crashing, randomly rearranging gnome-panel | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | i think that's my favourite thing about it | 16:10 |
| MunkyJunky | Evening! How do I go about removing partition icons in the unity panel? | 16:10 |
| ali1234 | you can't really | 16:11 |
| MunkyJunky | Even if it's a constantly mounted drive? :/ | 16:11 |
| MunkyJunky | It's not a USB drive, it's an internal ,media drive which is always mounted. | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | if it's constantly mounted and it;s *not* USB it should not show up | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | if you can tell me how you managed to get it to show up i'd like to know | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | because i have that exact use case and i want to see them and they are not there | 16:12 |
| MunkyJunky | It's a drive I manually added to fstab. Before that I manually mounted it. | 16:12 |
| ali1234 | well, remove it from fstab and manually mount it, and it won;t show i guess | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | there might be some hidden registery - um, i mean dconf - setting for it but who knows | 16:13 |
| MunkyJunky | But then it won't mount at boot | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | i mean it;s not like you can just look at the text files :( | 16:14 |
| DJones | ali1234: I've been setting a machine up with 3 partitions mounted via /media (eg /media/music) etc, all on physical disks in the machine, those partitions appear in the unity panel | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | if it's in fstab or it is removable, it shows up | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | if you mount it by hand with mount, it doesn't | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | and that's the way it goes | 16:16 |
| MunkyJunky | is there a way to make it mount on boot using mount then? Everything I've seen so far says you've got to use fstab | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | you can mount it from rc.local but i don't recommend it | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | it won't be unmounted properly and blah blah blah | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | just get used to that icon or write a patch | 16:17 |
| MunkyJunky | get used to the icon it is! | 16:17 |
| ali1234 | or read the source to see if there's a hidden setting | 16:17 |
| MunkyJunky | I'm not willing to go to that much effort to be fair. If there was a simple answer of "untick this tickbox" id be happy, else I'll just live with it. | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | i just put a faulty NAS unit back together and i have 13 screws and a metal panel left over :( | 16:20 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 16:20 |
| oli | 13?! That's impressive | 16:20 |
| ali1234 | the good news is it should cost slightly less to send it back to the customer :) | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | the bad news is one of the drives is dead and it is now degraded | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | and they are pata so no chance of a replacement | 16:21 |
| ali1234 | so they probably won't want the damn thing back | 16:22 |
| gord | czajkowski, forgot tea =\ | 16:46 |
| gord | please come here and give me tea | 16:46 |
| Pendulum | gord: in Orlando already? | 16:47 |
| gord | yeah, always a week early | 16:47 |
| MartijnVdS | gord: you love the USA that much? | 16:47 |
| Pendulum | gord: what sort of tea would you like and I can see what I can find to bring down on Sunday :) | 16:48 |
| Pendulum | (there are a couple shops near me that actually have a decent selection of British teas | 16:49 |
| Pendulum | ) | 16:49 |
| gord | Pendulum, pg tips! or yorkshire | 16:49 |
| Pendulum | I will see what I can do | 16:49 |
| Pendulum | definitely can bring yorkshire | 16:49 |
| Pendulum | but I think I can find pg tips as well | 16:49 |
| gord | \o/ | 16:52 |
| bigcalm | I've just managed to break the mysql client without trying :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/718078/ | 17:35 |
| bigcalm | No idea if that is of use to anybody. I haven't tried to recreate the issue yet | 17:36 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: you Ctrl+Ced it twice in a row? | 17:36 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: yes | 17:36 |
| MartijnVdS | so you interrupted its interrupt handling code | 17:36 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 17:36 |
| bigcalm | It didn't seem to be responding to me | 17:36 |
| MartijnVdS | It should just block the signal until it's done :) | 17:37 |
| * bigcalm tries to let things finish in the future | 17:37 | |
| * MartijnVdS wonders what to do | 17:39 | |
| bigcalm | Play Minecraft | 17:39 |
| MartijnVdS | no. | 17:39 |
| bigcalm | Aqq | 17:39 |
| bigcalm | Aww | 17:39 |
| daubers | Evening | 18:03 |
| RaycisCharles | Standard? | 18:09 |
| KrimZon | how do I select the gtk3 theme used in xubuntu? | 18:25 |
| KrimZon | change between gtk3 themes in xubuntu, I mean | 18:27 |
| tonytiger | Evening | 18:48 |
| daubers | o/ | 18:48 |
| popey | pip pip | 18:50 |
| tonytiger | I have my sound effects ready for tomorrow's show | 18:53 |
| scoundrel50a | Just for an fyi, I went out roaming yesterday, took the Galaxy Tab and mifi from 3 out, went to Covent Garden, connected and things worked, then went across to St James park and in two different places there connected again with no problems. | 18:53 |
| scoundrel50a | Quite impressed with this little thing | 18:54 |
| daubers | scoundrel50a: Which tab is it? | 18:56 |
| daubers | 10.1? | 18:56 |
| scoundrel50a | yes | 18:56 |
| daubers | jealous | 18:56 |
| scoundrel50a | it didnt loose connection at all, and was quite fast | 18:56 |
| Andres-kain | is there any way to change the greeting sound? | 18:58 |
| Andres-kain | KrimZon you still there? | 19:01 |
| Andres-kain | why can't you change it in the xubuntu aperience menu? | 19:01 |
| Andres-kain | i have hear that not all gtk3 are still avaible. and might look wierd. | 19:03 |
| KrimZon | I am now | 19:04 |
| KrimZon | I didn't know you could | 19:04 |
| Andres-kain | did it work? | 19:04 |
| KrimZon | I'll try it, just got to install a theme | 19:05 |
| Andres-kain | do not like any of the defaults? | 19:05 |
| Andres-kain | where do you get them from? | 19:05 |
| KrimZon | yay, that worked | 19:06 |
| KrimZon | gnome-look.org | 19:06 |
| Andres-kain | gnome-look for xubuntu? | 19:06 |
| Andres-kain | great! | 19:06 |
| KrimZon | for xubuntu there's also xfce-look.org | 19:06 |
| Andres-kain | since you are around, you wouldn't nknow how to change the greeting sound? | 19:07 |
| KrimZon | and a kde-look.org among other stuff | 19:07 |
| Andres-kain | but you asked for xubuntu? | 19:08 |
| KrimZon | oh, I see what you meant | 19:08 |
| gordonjcp | *remove* the greeting sound would be good | 19:08 |
| gordonjcp | along with all the others | 19:09 |
| KrimZon | I thought you wondered if there was a gnome-look for ubuntu, not surprised that I was looking there | 19:09 |
| KrimZon | somehow I've disabled sound effects because I like it quiet | 19:09 |
| KrimZon | so I'll try to figure out how I did that | 19:09 |
| Andres-kain | i use xubuntu. | 19:11 |
| KrimZon | I have absolutely no idea how to change the sounds | 19:18 |
| Andres-kain | yep. that seems like a tiny one up that windows has, krimzon | 19:22 |
| KrimZon | I could change them in gnome too | 19:22 |
| Andres-kain | really? how? | 19:23 |
| KrimZon | gnome had a sounds section in system -> preferences | 19:23 |
| Andres-kain | oh. had missed that in the day thanks! | 19:24 |
| === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson | ||
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Community Survey Next Steps: Leadership - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-next-steps-leadership/ | 19:27 |
| daubers | I've just changed my osx desktop to match my unity layout :s | 19:35 |
| === Dave is now known as Dave2 | ||
| jacobw | trying to make a mac like ubuntu? | 19:35 |
| daubers | jacobw: More that I always mouse to the left now to get to the dock, kept having to go back to the bottom afterwards on the mouse | 19:36 |
| zleap | daubers, cool | 19:36 |
| zleap | i get confused with windows, the bar thing to minimise andclose apps is in the wrong place | 19:37 |
| daubers | zleap: Heh, I just find the applications are in the wrong place on Windows :) | 19:37 |
| zleap | yeah that too | 19:37 |
| zleap | no upper menu bar | 19:37 |
| zleap | come to think of it, if windows is installed its in the wrong place | 19:38 |
| zleap | should be on a cd and installed in rubbish bin | 19:38 |
| jacobw | i've made my XP laptop from work like that now daubers | 19:38 |
| zleap | mind you saying tjhat i am now playing games more now i have my old pc dual booting | 19:38 |
| jacobw | unfortunately, XP taskbar is about as responsive as the dead parrot :( | 19:39 |
| zleap | i just find windows annoying | 19:39 |
| zleap | out of interest now I can see my ubunty share folder i should be able to share my printer via windows | 19:39 |
| zleap | and actually print from ubuntu, temproary measure till i figure out how to get it printing directly from ubuntu | 19:40 |
| jacobw | ipp:// | 19:41 |
| zleap | yeah | 19:42 |
| zleap | ah so i just type ipp:// ip addy of windows box | 19:42 |
| jacobw | i'm sure if its that simple | 19:43 |
| jacobw | +not | 19:43 |
| jacobw | which version of window is it? | 19:45 |
| czajkowski | evening folks | 20:12 |
| popey | Good evening | 20:13 |
| * czajkowski hugs popey HELLO my PRECIOUS | 20:15 | |
| popey | Ruh-roh! | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | I can haz job again | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | this is good | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | no deportation for me | 20:16 |
| czajkowski | :) | 20:16 |
| DJones | Congratulation czajkowski | 20:17 |
| DJones | +s | 20:17 |
| czajkowski | why thank you | 20:18 |
| czajkowski | now on my next hit list is the horrible HMR&C | 20:18 |
| czajkowski | swines | 20:18 |
| DJones | Heh | 20:18 |
| czajkowski | I seemingly have a 180 quid underpayment of tax for 2010/11 | 20:20 |
| czajkowski | given I only worked 6 months of that year seems a bit hard | 20:21 |
| daubers | czajkowski: Underpayed by £30 a month… tsk tsk | 20:23 |
| * daubers is a good boy and launders his money through the Seychelles so he doesn't have to pay tax | 20:23 | |
| czajkowski | daubers: also I seemingly got a magical BIK of 890 | 20:23 |
| daubers | I mean… ummm… | 20:23 |
| * daubers run | 20:23 | |
| daubers | BIK? | 20:23 |
| czajkowski | benefit in Kind | 20:23 |
| daubers | o…k… | 20:24 |
| daubers | I seem to be regressing to my childhood | 20:25 |
| daubers | writing some test code in python, realised what I'd just typed was Spectrum BASIC | 20:25 |
| mgdm | :D | 20:28 |
| andylockran | :p | 20:34 |
| Andres-kain | just about to update my xubuntu. | 20:36 |
| Andres-kain | 21:37 | 20:37 |
| Andres-kain | deactivated 3rd party! 21:39 | 20:39 |
| andylockran | :) | 20:40 |
| Andres-kain | start update window does not fit my netbook: used alt+leftmouse to accept! | 20:42 |
| Andres-kain | 21:44 271 out of 1458 files downloaded | 20:44 |
| gordonjcp | urgh | 20:54 |
| gordonjcp | right, suspend just plain doesn't work in 11.10 | 20:54 |
| bigcalm | Does for me | 20:55 |
| bigcalm | YMMV | 20:55 |
| gordonjcp | unless the Ubuntu definition of "suspend" is "blank the screen and stop responding to key events" | 20:55 |
| jacobw | i think that is the ubuntu definition of 'suspend' :P | 20:56 |
| gordonjcp | what does 11.10 use for suspend anyway? | 20:56 |
| gordonjcp | pm-suspend works just fine in Arch | 20:57 |
| bigcalm | Works on my laptop: I close the lid, it goes into suspend. I open the lid, it wakes up and asks for my password | 20:58 |
| bigcalm | Should it be working differently | 20:58 |
| gord | suspend works fine here | 21:00 |
| gord | though this is linux, so results may vary | 21:00 |
| DJones | Just tested "Suspend" on this laptop, never tried it before, and it works perfectly as bigcalm described it | 21:00 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 21:00 |
| Dave2 | My experience was closing the laptop, it suspending, me swearing at it and waking it back up again, then changing the config to make it stop doing that | 21:01 |
| Andres-kain | only 150 files to go! | 21:01 |
| KrimZon | in my experience everything is annoying by default and I have to change the settings | 21:02 |
| KrimZon | one time they'll make default be how I like it... just to annoy me | 21:02 |
| gordonjcp | bigcalm: I've tried it on four different laptops, with the same result on each | 21:04 |
| gordonjcp | oh well, yet another thing obviously not tested before release | 21:04 |
| gordonjcp | there's just so many annoying wee things that work properly in other distros | 21:05 |
| bigcalm | Or tested to a limited extent. I think it would be difficult to test against _every_ machine in the world | 21:05 |
| gordonjcp | well | 21:05 |
| gordonjcp | you'd think that testing against a variety of laptops with Intel chipsets would be easy enough | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | there is certified hardware | 21:06 |
| Andres-kain | humm. debconf looks wierd asks me to choose gdm or lightdm | 21:06 |
| Andres-kain | i'll go for light but i do not know what any of it is. | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | which doesn't mean that the certified hardware will work, but you can jump up and down a bit more loudly if it doesn't | 21:07 |
| bigcalm | gdm = old and busted. lightdm = new hotness | 21:07 |
| bigcalm | Or something | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | or, if you have a suspend bug, see if you can get someone to reproduce it on certified hardware | 21:07 |
| gordonjcp | AlanBell: while I see the value in doing that, at the moment I need a laptop that *works* | 21:07 |
| Andres-kain | ok, thanks! and i hoover mouse on it and it tells me what gdm means! | 21:08 |
| Andres-kain | debconf still looks messed up on xubuntu update. with empty banner. | 21:08 |
| bigcalm | I wonder if you can copy a whole panel (launchers and all) to other sessions | 21:08 |
| gordonjcp | AlanBell: having the power management stuff decide that after ten minutes I no longer need the backlight on isn't by even the most generous definition what you could call "working" | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I have a worse issue with the backlight | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | it flickers like mad when I am on battery | 21:10 |
| gordonjcp | AlanBell: I have that sometimes | 21:10 |
| gordonjcp | at least when it's flickering it doesn't turn off after ten minutes | 21:10 |
| AlanBell | like it is attempting to cause the user to have a seisure | 21:10 |
| gordonjcp | being able to turn the CPU frequency up from 800MHz would be nice, too | 21:10 |
| bigcalm | Shouldn't that be a bios feature? | 21:11 |
| gordonjcp | bigcalm: I don't see why | 21:11 |
| Andres-kain | unpacking libgtk3 \o/ | 21:11 |
| gordonjcp | CPU scaling works in Arch, but does not work in Ubuntu | 21:11 |
| bigcalm | *shrug* | 21:11 |
| gordonjcp | it's a shame, because bits of it all work really well | 21:12 |
| Andres-kain | is it wierd that i'm more excited wit ubuntu update than rugby results? | 21:12 |
| gordonjcp | leaving aside the more annoying visual misfeatures like the Mac menu and weird sideways Mac dock | 21:12 |
| gordonjcp | and the coloured squares in the applications menu being so huge with tiny barely-readable labels - granted, they are much bigger compared to 11.04 | 21:13 |
| Andres-kain | i like it in the side, gives me more space on screen | 21:13 |
| gordonjcp | Andres-kain: I prefer a taskbar at the bottom | 21:13 |
| gordonjcp | Andres-kain: the thing at the side is harder to read because you have to mouse over each of the little squares to see what it is | 21:13 |
| gordonjcp | if you made them wide enough to take a text label they'd look silly | 21:14 |
| bigcalm | CPU scaling worked for me. Was at 1600, started playing Minecraft and it jumped up to 2400 | 21:14 |
| Andres-kain | no need for mouse, just press the super (or is it meta) and type what you need? | 21:17 |
| bigcalm | Would be nice if super would replace ctrl+alt in xubuntu | 21:18 |
| bigcalm | If only for super+d | 21:19 |
| Andres-kain | humm seems like i thought i was logged off another user but i am not. | 21:19 |
| Andres-kain | says i need to restart xscreen saver and xlockmore before contiuming? | 21:20 |
| bigcalm | Google isn't getting me very far. Can you copy a panel and its contents? | 21:20 |
| Andres-kain | but i do not care if other users cannot coninue their sesions.. | 21:21 |
| Andres-kain | hum..clicked next and it continued away. wierd. | 21:22 |
| Andres-kain | what panel bigcalm? | 21:22 |
| bigcalm | Andres-kain: xfce panels | 21:23 |
| Andres-kain | never tried... maybe doing copy paste? | 21:24 |
| Andres-kain | are your pannels so full? | 21:24 |
| bigcalm | No, but I have 3 desktops running (one for each monitor) and I'd like to have the feature rich panel I've set up on monitor1 to be on the other 2 | 21:25 |
| Andres-kain | ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh sounds cool but not a clue. only one monitor | 21:26 |
| bigcalm | I'm using xubuntu because Unity doesn't work on more than one monitor | 21:27 |
| Andres-kain | didn't know that... | 21:27 |
| Andres-kain | i thought all the pannels would be copied to the other desktops by default.. that seems to be the case with one screen. | 21:28 |
| bigcalm | My set up: https://plus.google.com/113834766641843352499/posts/dzvQPhA1vXi | 21:29 |
| bigcalm | I have to say that it's looking amazingly tidy on that day | 21:29 |
| Andres-kain | looks cool, did you spend the pennies? | 21:34 |
| bigcalm | A mixture of work and my own | 21:34 |
| Andres-kain | you a developer, work in stockexchage, or energy sector? | 21:36 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 21:36 |
| bigcalm | I'm a web developer | 21:36 |
| Andres-kain | out of curiosity, do you findhyourself saying... if only i had an extra screen... | 21:37 |
| dutchie | i'm pretty sure you could always use an extra screen | 21:37 |
| Andres-kain | heh | 21:37 |
| bigcalm | Andres-kain: The trouble is that I've maxed out my desk space. I have 6 virtual desktops on each monitor :S | 21:38 |
| Andres-kain | mental. | 21:38 |
| bigcalm | Just a little | 21:38 |
| bigcalm | The central monitor is the only one I tend not to switch desktops on | 21:38 |
| Andres-kain | question: can you have your window manager open a new desktop with a maximized windows of each aplication you open? | 21:40 |
| Andres-kain | don't know if that was english... | 21:40 |
| Andres-kain | i mean i start up with one desktop but it will add more depending on number of windows open | 21:41 |
| Andres-kain | bigcalm do you have ubuntu set so it remembers previous setting? | 21:43 |
| bigcalm | Not really | 21:45 |
| bigcalm | I find that it doesn't always work as I want it to. So I just load programs as and when I need them | 21:45 |
| Andres-kain | so you manually open all programs after reboot? | 21:45 |
| bigcalm | Yes | 21:46 |
| bigcalm | Which is each morning | 21:46 |
| bigcalm | I work from home and don't like having my workstation being noisy while I'm trying to sleep | 21:47 |
| Andres-kain | makes sense. | 21:48 |
| Andres-kain | only 2 hours and 16 minutes left on update. i think i'm going to leave it over night... | 21:50 |
| Andres-kain | uh-oh terminal shows loads of gtk-warning and gtk-Critical... no show stoppers it seems. | 21:58 |
| Azelphur | when I use my keyboards volume control, it changes the volume for card 1 Master, which does nothing as I use a USB headset | 21:59 |
| Azelphur | any idea how to fix that? | 21:59 |
| Andres-kain | unpaking replacement popularity-contest? | 21:59 |
| Andres-kain | um sorry! | 22:00 |
| Andres-kain | out of context. | 22:00 |
| Andres-kain | no idea azelphur maybe in the keyboard shrtcut config? | 22:01 |
| Azelphur | nope it's not there | 22:01 |
| Andres-kain | i realize now i had the same issue and i think i did not solve it or solved its self after an update. | 22:05 |
| Andres-kain | so no help sorry. | 22:06 |
| Andres-kain | i am begining to fear the outcome of this update... more gtk critical something to do with the icons.. | 22:07 |
| bigcalm | Sleep time, night peeps | 22:08 |
| Andres-kain | night. same heere | 22:11 |
| bigcalm | Laptop in bed \o/ | 22:22 |
| StevenR | bigcalm: I have a tray for that :) | 22:23 |
| bigcalm | StevenR: as do I | 22:23 |
| bigcalm | It has cats on it | 22:23 |
| bigcalm | Sorry, a cat | 22:24 |
| StevenR | (I hope you mean a picture of a cat :) ) | 22:24 |
| gordonjcp | yeah | 22:26 |
| gordonjcp | the fur would clog the air intakes | 22:26 |
| bigcalm | I sadly have no real cats here :'( | 22:27 |
| bigcalm | One day in the future... | 22:27 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Andy Loughran] My thoughts on Unity. - http://zrmt.com/2011/10/24/my-thoughts-on-unity/ | 22:27 |
| nucc1 | folks, what is the program behind the erstwhile ability to right-click a usb disk on the desktop and select "format"? | 23:41 |
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