[00:05] my intel card not picked up. Worked with mint [00:12] Hello [00:12] can someone help with intel drivers please? [00:17] Does anyone respond in this channel? I've asked questions since installing Ocelot w/o anyone answering. [00:18] Easy enough questions. So someone should know [00:19] it's 1AM. everyone is sleeping [00:19] lol [00:20] I'm on night shift. Give 'em a nudge for me [00:20] try #ubuntu [00:20] it's global [00:20] lol It's a quagmire [00:20] what card is it? [00:21] intel mobile 845 I think [00:21] wifi? [00:21] i845 is a motherboard chipset [00:22] mobile atm or wifi usually [00:22] it's some weird combo card? [00:23] It worked fine with mint. I'm just not sure of my way round unity yet. Used to synaptic to check [00:23] what makes you think it is not "picked up" [00:24] Even tho under mint it didn't show up unser additional drivers [00:24] No wobbly windows lol [00:24] i'm still not clear on what it is [00:24] so it's graphics driver? [00:24] Can I install synaptic? [00:24] yes [00:24] yea [00:25] ubuntu doesn't have wobbly windows any more [00:25] I've added CSSM [00:26] I was going to fix the launcher bar to not autohide but it won't let me [00:27] echo $DESKTOP_SESSION [00:27] what does it say? [00:28] in terminal? [00:28] yes [00:30] 'echo $DESKTOP_SESSION' = no response [00:30] try again [00:31] is that the command 'echo $DESKTOP_SESSION' ? [00:32] yes [00:32] UBUNTU [00:32] *ubuntu [00:33] is that the 3D desktop [00:33] yes [00:34] hm wonder why I can't get autohide to stay off then or turn on wobbly windows [00:34] probably it switched to fallback mode [00:34] how can I tell? [00:34] i don't know [00:34] is the lancher transparent? [00:35] np thanks al11234 [00:35] ali1234, [00:35] I'll get a que ticket for #ubuntu lol [00:36] if it says ubuntu, that means you are running unity 3d [00:36] that means your graphics driver works correctly [00:37] and there's no reason why it wouldn't, since it is intel [01:00] ali1234, Got wobbly windows on and autohide off :) [01:00] cool [01:00] thanx 4 ur help :) [01:00] I just had to go back into cssm settings again === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest36053 [06:58] morning all [07:03] \o [07:22] Morning all [07:24] AlanBell: They were talking about this on the news this morning, I wondered if there was anything that could be used/linked into an ubuntu hour somewhere http://raceonline2012.org/giveanhour (With it being raceonline, you may have already picked up on it) [07:27] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Community Survey Results - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-results/ [07:28] is there a nice simple gui way to set the hdd in a lappy running 11.10 to spin down? [07:28] Morning [07:28] * daubers has just flicked through Jonos survey results [07:29] The graph on page 7 is a bit worrying === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest93881 [07:40] daubers: Have you got a link for the graph, I missed the link on twitter [07:40] sorry, link for the survey [07:41] freakyclown: tinker with the hdparm options -S and -B [07:42] I love the hdparm man page [07:42] yeah i saw that as an option - wondered if there was a funky built in option yet [07:42] "VERY DANGEROUS, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT USING IT." [07:43] yeah ;) [07:43] "This is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and will very likely cause massive loss of data. DO NOT USE THIS COMMAND. [07:43] stuff you really want to see in a man page :) [07:43] AlanBell: at least it's honest [07:45] freakyclown: there probably should be a simple GUI for it that doesn't expose the really scary options [07:51] AlanBell: i can wait while you make one kthnx [07:51] :) [07:53] hello all [07:57] sudo hdparm -S1 -B1 /dev/sda [07:57] what about noflushd? [07:57] that should basically shut it down every 5 seconds of doing nothing, you can change the numbers to be less agressive [07:59] freakyclown: noflushd doesn't like ext3 [08:00] or other journaling filesystems [08:00] k [08:00] not sure how much it really helps on your boot drive anyway [08:00] me either [08:00] I use the hdparm spindown on a disk mounted on a server that does backups [08:01] so why S1 and B1? [08:01] as in why those numbers? [08:01] the server (little home server) boots from an SD card and is no moving parts most of the day, but at night the HDD spins up [08:02] S1 means 5 seconds S2 is 10 seconds and bigger numbers mean longer time but it isn't in constant increments [08:02] I found S did nothing at all unless B was activated which is the general power management setting [08:03] B sets the APM_level [08:04] S1 is probably too agressive, the thing will be constantly spinning up and down [08:04] but it means you don't have long to wait to hear it working [08:05] Isn't there a "put my disk to sleep" option in the power management menu? [08:05] because there used to be [08:06] can't see one [08:06] another "feature" removed for Gnome 3 [08:06] well it powered down - then almost immediatly back up [08:06] freakyclown: it spins back up every time you access the disk, of course [08:07] freakyclown: that's why the 5-second delay is too short -- it'll damage the disk a lot by constantly spinning up/down [08:07] yeah im thinking 5seconds is too short too ;) [08:07] Just keeping it on the default setting should be fine -- afaik the laptop-scripts put the disk in sleep-after-a-while mode if you unplug [08:08] ah i see what keeps waking it up - logging on pidgin bugger :( [08:09] yeah, that kind of thing goes on all the time [08:09] utterly wank as i cant disable logging on work rooms [08:09] there is always something that wants to write somewhere [08:09] thats what i thought the noflushd thing solved [08:09] log to something solid state [08:10] sd card or USB [08:10] i cant it has to be a hardware encrypted drive [08:10] ah, ok [08:11] maybe a non-journalled partition [08:11] freakyclown: replace the disk with an SSD - those do hardware crypto [08:11] they also don't spin up/down ever ;) [08:14] does anyone know that guy? ^tmb? [08:14] i work with a tmb! [08:15] context? [08:15] freakyclown: whois says "Timothy Miles-Board" [08:16] AlanBell: rofl NO hate those guys [08:16] Has anyone had any trouble booting ubuntu 11.10 lately? [08:16] vauxhall: yes since i installed it ;) [08:17] freakyclown: ^^ ...I've installed it as well, but sometimes it freezes during boot.. [08:18] here's how i've set it up...i've installed ubuntu in an 80Gig partition on my second hard-drive... [08:18] http://thegreyhats.blogspot.com/ [08:19] and grub is installed on my first(primary) harddrive.. [08:19] see if it falls into any of those issues [08:20] freakyclown: nope [08:20] freakyclown: its just that it gets to grub..and i get a purple screen after that. === Guest93881 is now known as GirlyGirl [08:31] Morning awake things :) [08:32] Its monday, we're not awake [08:36] awhatnow? [08:37] Well, I was hoping [08:37] Happy morning, everyone! :D [08:45] DJones: Sorry, had a meeting http://t.co/sdyJKAnO :) [08:45] daubers: No worries, mr google found it for [09:09] good morning everyone. [09:10] Fred0: /join #defocus [09:10] Grr [09:13] * bigcalm blurs DJones [09:14] Good morning. [09:14] Ho popey [09:16] bigcalm: I'm blurred enough today [09:21] DJones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIEsmGzo2UE [09:21] Ugh, Never liked them [09:22] DJones: ah, you're from the Oasis camp? :) [09:22] MartijnVdS: Nope, don't like them either :) [09:24] MartijnVdS: I have a wierd & varied musical taste, ranges from Old Lady Driver, Slayer, Nick Cave up to opera & classical :) But just quite picking about what gets my attention [09:26] DJones: I like lots of different kinds of music too, but somehow my CD shelves fill up with singer/songwriters (both male and female) :) [09:29] Though I've decided this is a Turin Brakes morning :) [09:37] morning [09:38] what's the Unity equivalent of the Gnome "Places" menu? [09:38] or rather, how do I mount a remote SMB share without resorting to the command-line? [09:39] gordonjcp: connect to, in nautillus's file menu. [09:39] [09:40] the what? [09:40] gordonjcp: nautilus is your gui file manager, if you go into its file menu, you will see a connect to function. [09:41] I ran nautilus but it just gave me a window with some squares [09:41] ah, hang on, Mac menu [09:42] gordonjcp: you will see uits function menu below its windows controls. [09:42] ah, sorry, global menu, yes. [09:43] I'm giving Ubuntu a shot for a week *without* fixing the problems [09:43] ah. [09:43] so far I've found the window buttons being on the wrong side to be merely annoying in a "wash the windows at every junction" way [09:44] and the Mac menu to be at best horribly confusing and at worst totally unusable [09:44] and the mac dock thing on the left with all the squares isn't exactly fun either [09:44] the global menu, yes, i have heard several such issues. [09:44] * MartijnVdS grabs a bunch of torches and pitchforks, throws a few to gordonjcp and brobostigon [09:44] if I wanted to use OSX I'd use OSX [09:44] MartijnVdS: :( [09:45] I don't want to use OSX because it's a badly-designed pile of weirdness [09:45] turning it through 90 degrees doesn't help [09:45] brobostigon: Well, you need those before marching to the Canonical HQ right? [09:45] I wouldn't mind the global menu, if the autohide thing was an option. pretending it's not there is aweful for muscle-memory [09:45] MartijnVdS: need what? [09:45] brobostigon: torches and pitchforks [09:45] I don't like the hidden global menu. Too much mouse dragging and confusion when there are multiple windows. Currently I'm using Gnome shell. [09:45] thinking of getting a front porch and my neighbours porch encroaches onto my property by about 6 inches where i would like to place my porch...what to do i wonder [09:46] MartijnVdS: no, not needed. to uncivilised. [09:46] I've just uninstalled all the global menu bits [09:46] Unity works fine without [09:46] Didn't know you could uninstall it. [09:46] you can disable it without uninstalling anything [09:46] dpkg --purge appmenu-{gtk{,3},qt} firefox-globalmenu thunderbird-globalmenu [09:47] oimon: that doesn't work for me though. Uninstalling does. [09:47] MartijnVdS: what did you try? echo "export UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=" > /etc/X11/Xsession.d/81ubuntumenuproxy ? [09:47] oimon: same, but to 99local [09:47] I wish in the app menu windows key thing the squares were smaller and the text was bigger === pancro is now known as pancro_call [09:57] morning all [09:58] \o davmor2 [09:58] hi davmor2 [10:00] Ah finally tickets for the train got for Wednesday getting ready to rumble [10:01] morning MartijnVdS MooDoo how are you both [10:02] davmor2: yeah not bad thanks [10:02] czajkowski: prod, wake up, prod, Oi, prod, Wakey Wakey! === GirlyGirl is now known as Guest41754 [10:03] who looks after http://ubuntu-uk.org/ircstats/ ? i don't think it is active [10:03] oimon: last generated this morning [10:03] Statistics generated on Monday 24 October 2011 - 9:55:03 [10:03] what he said [10:04] i don't know if it's accurately gettin gth elogs thogh [10:04] seems like a rather small number of lines [10:04] was it reset? [10:04] * popey checks it [10:05] i pressed refresh from an older time, and none of the lines changed except for the update time [10:07] Session Close: Wed Sep 14 05:03:36 2011 [10:07] that'll be why [10:08] the logbot? [10:09] the statbot [10:09] Statistics generated on Monday 24 October 2011 - 9:55:03 [10:09] ah right, the log it's working on ends earlier [10:10] should come back soon [10:10] there we are [10:10] :D [10:10] hmmmm [10:12] its not logging, which is odd [10:12] Disc space? [10:12] Permissions? [10:12] Sun spots? [10:12] max file size? [10:13] The cause of the problem is: [10:13] static from nylon underwear [10:14] saw popey's brother on QI the other day [10:15] Elvis? [10:16] I like this one "disks spinning backwards - toggle the hemisphere jumper" [10:16] ross noble [10:16] how odd, just wont log [10:17] strace? [10:20] Netflix is to launch a streaming service in the UK and the Irish Republic next year. [10:20] not sure I care enough oimon :D [10:20] just in time for the linux client \o/ [10:20] popey: don't blame you [10:21] i had a power cut @ weekend..all servers went down after UPS drained [10:25] Grrr. There's a DD on my account that just shows up as a DD. The company it is for will show up tomorrow, but that's a whole day of wondering I have to endure === Guest41754 is now known as Girly-Girl [10:26] Oh. PayPal [10:26] Weird === pancro_call is now known as pancro [10:30] bigcalm: Ummm D'oh! [10:31] I'm used to PayPal using my creditcard, but recently I reverted to using my main account [10:32] bigcalm: I meant more the fact that they named it DD [10:33] bigcalm: Not the most helpful thing in the world :) [10:34] davmor2: the transaction is showing as being done today, the full statement version will be visible tomorrow [10:34] bigcalm: Ah okay [10:36] hi all [10:36] hoover: morning [10:36] Howdy hoovie [10:36] Hi Biggie, davmor2 [10:37] Hello, I know this is a rather petty question, but is there a way to stop the window controls from "auto-hiding" on Ubuntu, it's really quite counter-intuitive. [10:40] http://askubuntu.com/questions/25789/is-there-a-way-to-remove-maximized-window-controls-title-from-top-panel-in-unity [10:42] popey, even with highly creative Googling i couldn't find that helpful, albeit depressing article. [10:42] I am getting slowly closer to losing the unity shell :( [10:44] you suck at google :D [10:44] I was actually searching more along the lines of showing permanently rather than removing the feature entirely, which is where I went wrong. [10:46] I'd love to remove the drop shadow from windows in xfce [10:46] Somebody google that for me please? [10:46] http://askubuntu.com/questions/62502/are-there-3d-effects-on-xubuntu-hardware-accelerated-graphics/62503#62503 [10:47] switch that off? [10:47] lol, was that a dig bigcalm? :) [10:47] KrisDouglas: not really, but it could be if you want ;) [10:48] bigcalm, I will let that one slip [10:48] =] [10:48] \o/ [10:48] It's actually something that looks silly, so I'd rather do without [10:49] I must admit, I don't like drop shadows [10:49] the Gnome ones are really headache-inducing [10:50] why would you want to add a visual element that makes your eyes think they're not focused properly, or that makes your monitor look broken? [10:50] Yay, done it [10:50] popey: ta :) [10:50] Found the one setting to disable rather than removing all fancy features [10:55] KrisDouglas: what's the problem with the close buttons in the top left? [10:56] To be honest it's not an urgent thing, but when the window is not focused they are not visible, and you cannot focus the window by clicking on the panel (I have 2 monitors) so you can't close it until you re-focus the window, hover over the button and click. [10:56] Bit of a pain. [10:57] If that makes sense? [10:58] it does [11:21] bigcalm: Twitter Residential Care homes no shock there then [11:38] I just noticed another interesting annoyance [11:39] if I want to restore a window which is maximised to a windowed state, i double click the panel and it unmaximises a window that has focus on the other screen [11:39] that's actually slightly more infuriating :) === pancro is now known as pancro_away [11:47] popey: what happens if you ask siri, how much a walrus weighs? [11:49] no idea [11:51] popey: try it absolute 80's have it giving out a hilarious reply [11:56] Wonder which search engine siri uses underneath it all [11:57] it can use multiple [11:57] Lycos. [11:57] wolfram-alpha is used heavily AIUI [11:57] dogpile [11:57] Hotbot [12:04] infoseek [12:06] I like Iris on Android, she has a good sense of humour. [12:07] daubers: maybe the new search engine from mc hammer? [12:07] yeah, i played with siri a bit [12:07] was amusing to dictate a text message to her whilst driving [12:07] and get a reply which was dictated by the other guy using siri, and then read out by siri at my end [12:07] http://www.billboard.com/news/mc-hammer-search-engine-wiredoo-1005427312.story#/news/mc-hammer-search-engine-wiredoo-1005427312.story [12:08] popey: i played with siri a fair bit the other week [12:08] far far too much fun just on its own! [12:08] yeah [12:08] shame it's restricted in many ways in the UK [12:08] i might buy the misses an iphone just so i can play with siri [12:09] http://shitthatsirisays.tumblr.com/ [12:09] freakyclown: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-10/24/iris-siri-android [12:10] i shall install that on my tablet later tonight :D [12:13] iris is becoming a genuine competitor [12:14] i think if google got behind it properly it would be much better === MichealH is now known as MH0 [12:27] in Arch Linux, the standard way to make packages is to build them in a clean chroot so you can tell you've got the deps right - what's the Ubuntu equivalent? [12:27] Hello! My packaging system has become corrupted after an unclean shutdown. :( [12:28] gordonjcp: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage [12:28] Whenever I try to do anything at all using apt or dpkg, I get: "dpkg: warning: files list file for package `tzdata-java' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. [12:28] (Reading database ... 55%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: [12:28] files list file for package 'libk5crypto3' is missing final newline [12:28] " [12:28] that won't warn you about deps though [12:28] Can anyone offer any suggestions? [12:28] Yes, I tried Googling [12:29] ali1234: and fakeroot assumes a completely clean environment, no additional packages? [12:29] no [12:29] it's fake [12:30] ali1234: okay, I suspect that's not going to be the same thing then [12:30] * czajkowski stabs davmor2 and runs away [12:30] :( my phone refuses to mount on my box even after switching usb ports now :( [12:31] gordonjcp: launchpad assumes a clean state [12:32] gordonjcp: pbuilder is a good way to simulate that [12:32] * davmor2 tickles czajkowski just cause [12:32] pbuilder seems to be the thing I want to google for, thanks [12:32] ali1234: I don't want to use launchpad if I can avoid it [12:33] understandable [12:33] you can't use it for building without signing the CoC anyway [12:34] yeah, I have no intentions of signing the CoC [12:34] I did sign it previously, then revoked it because of Unity [12:34] lol [12:34] lol [12:34] it's a bit of a one-way street [12:35] that's a stupid reason [12:35] there are plenty of better ones [12:35] "here you go, sign this, you've got to play by our rules but if you want anything you can get stuffed" [12:35] well yeah [12:35] "oh you actually want a usable desktop? get stuffed" [12:35] "accessibility? get stuffed, what do you think this is?" [12:35] it's been that way since a while before unity though [12:36] ali1234: yes, but Unity was the point where I could no longer use Ubuntu [12:36] the CoC isn't the same as the copyright assignment if you want to contribute anything to canonical projects [12:36] so long as other DEs are available we just have to accept it [12:36] that's far worse [12:36] oimon: [12:36] the CoC is basically just common sense [12:36] ali1234: that too [12:36] ubuntu is > unity [12:36] in fact that's why i refuse to sign it [12:37] I still find Unity extremely hard to use, but the fact that the little squares now have tooltips helps [12:37] they always had tooltips [12:37] I wouldn't say that Unity made Ubuntu unusable [12:37] they just didn't work due to a bug [12:37] clockwatch: well, at least in the early versions it was impossible to tell what was going on [12:38] In the past I've used operating systems with far less usability [12:38] unity does remind me of an IT project that is a failure but the boss doesn't admit it [12:38] clockwatch: the thing that screwed me up was that the conventional taskbar had been replaced by a strip of identical little squares with no indication of function [12:38] clockwatch: beos? [12:38] no [12:38] beos was quite good [12:38] Haiku is quite good [12:39] are we talking about the same beos? [12:39] the one where they replaced the conventional taskbar with a strip of button, except they don't have icons and everything has silly names? [12:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beos is what gordonjcp is refferring to. :) [12:42] remember solaris CDE? [12:42] http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/cde15solaris9 it was the colours and the sluggishness ugh [12:43] i do [12:43] oimon: if memory serves, xfce was originally inspired by, that. [12:43] nice screensaver though [12:44] brobostigon: which is probably why i remove xfce-panel before i do anything on it [12:44] similarly on gnome2 the bottom panel goes [12:44] solaris openwindows was sweet thoguh [12:45] oimon: i havent actually used CDE, only seem pictures of. [12:45] in my previous life i was solaris admin [12:46] ah. [12:46] but i think the best, lightest, simplest gui, i have used upto now, is haiku's. [12:47] when solaris switched from openwindows -> CDE, you didn't have a choice that what the way it was. c'est la vie [12:47] ah, i see. [12:47] i stopped using solaris boxes as desktop PCs after that [12:48] ok. [12:48] unity might suck but we have choice :) [12:48] i tried beos on a VM a little while ago [12:48] exactly, :) [12:49] still going, isn't it? [12:49] oimon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_(operating_system) [12:49] yes. [12:50] when i ran windows, i used to used the blackbox shell replacement for a while :) [12:50] not fam,ilier with, sorry. [12:50] oimon: you need to use minuetos :) you can do what you like with it as long as you're binary is up to scratch ;) [12:51] blackbox shell replacement was a fluxbox DE for windows [12:51] oimon: ah, interesting. [12:52] davmor2: never seen that one before [12:52] oimon: tis pretty [12:53] will have to choose an OS to run on my eee pc 701 when my son gets it [12:53] in a year or os [12:53] so [12:54] oimon: how old will he be then? [12:54] between 2 1/2 - 3 [12:54] he is pretty good on my tablet pc right now === pancro_away is now known as pancro [12:59] My boss' three year old can install iPhone apps. [13:00] and of course, play them... [13:01] my sprog with touchpad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJdoB0k3DOw [13:02] oimon, that's incredible. [13:03] oimon: Does he always shake his index finger when he's thinking? :) [13:04] he's pointing..he likes doing that. when he reads a paper book he taps the pages until you tell him what the thing is [13:04]