[02:14] wow, didn't think I could do all that I did from a netbook today (I know how powerful they can be, setup tweaks, but I had vlc's ncurses player playing a song, ffmpeg converting it to mp3 & scaning an external drive with clamav, at the same time, no fail) [02:14] plus ssh'd in here, for irc & email [02:14] thanks to debuntu ;-) [02:16] Mutt? [02:17] cyberanger: is this a new distro? [02:18] Debian/Ubuntu Tips & Tricks [02:18] Debuntu.org: .deb packages, Unix/Linux Tutorials and Articles. [02:18] ahh [02:18] * wrst feels a little silly now :) [02:22] Unit193: yep, my mutt [02:23] wrst: that blog is merely an inspiritation to the joke (when I said I was all debian testing, forgot about this machine aperently, fixing) [02:29] cyberanger, Unit193 had good weekends? [02:31] sorta good [02:31] Don't think anything big Sat, but today there was much good grub :D [02:31] Unit193: that's what i'm talking about! [02:32] wrst: you know how I do cli installs, little diff with debian or ubuntu at that level, did this all in cli (trying to be a showoff, then vista got involved, fubar from there) [02:33] cyberanger: really no difference best i can tell from ubuntu cli and debian, i think debian might have less things to get in the way making it easier actually [02:33] and vista??? [02:33] I use SSH and stuff to mess with the volume on Vista, it can be funny to get people :D [02:33] Unit193: vista and ssh? [02:34] Why not? Granted, it's not as good as Linux SSH, but it works nevertheless [02:34] And it's the first OS I used SSH on [02:34] i have seen that it is available just didn't know what the use would be [02:34] wrst: yeah, church, not my call (virus too, made it a pain?) [02:34] oh yeah cyberanger i know how that goes [02:36] wrst: well, your problem is a assuming there is a use, sometimes there is no use, it was a coding challenge, and now an annoyance tool [02:39] :) [02:41] nircmd + ssh = :D [02:41] Unit193: there's stunts you can do without nircmd too, just default stuff [02:42] my favorite two are editing the hosts file & disabiling dns [02:42] cyberanger: Oh yes, but nircmd can also be used to mess with people :D [02:42] followed by the rare but cruel triggering a BSoD (doesn't take much, sadly, no bragging rights) [02:46] Unit193: indeed [02:47] just like a screw driver & a phunematic(sp) door closer, slow it down and make people think their being followed [02:57] idk if /tmp is considered a chroot enviroment... [02:59] debuntu.org ... not sure about [03:22] binarymutant: say what? [03:23] first page debuntu.org article [03:24] I think I read it wrong though [03:27] binarymutant: "How-To: Mounting /dev in a chroot environment" [03:27] that article? [03:27] yes [03:30] doesn't sound wrong to me, based on my use of chroot for remastering live discs [03:31] they're just messing with files in a chroot jail, the files happen to be in tmp instead of $HOME/livedisc/chroot (when I do it) [03:31] yeah I always do it in a dir in $HOME [03:32] $project/debian/ :D [03:32] but I don't think one has to, don't think anything is wrong with tmp, depends on if the data is temporary or not [03:33] if not, well, expect data loss [03:33] like I said, I probably just read it wrong. I thought they were saying /tmp was a chroot env [03:58] no (it might be, but that's not what they're saying, they're using it as a chroot "mountpoint" same as we use $HOME) [15:02] uggh. why use selinux? [16:15] electricus: good question, will AppArmor not work enough for you? [16:15] "Let me assure you that this action by the NSA was the crypto-equivalent of the Pope coming down off the balcony in Rome, working the crowd with a few loaves of bread and some fish, and then inviting everyone to come over to his place to watch the soccer game and have a few beers. There are some things that one just never expects to see, and the NSA handing out source code along with details of [16:15] the security mechanism behind it was right up there on that list." — Larry Loeb [16:16] i always disable it, but it's on by default in centos [16:16] i figure linux is plenty secure without having selinux [16:16] i've never been hacked [16:18] * cyberanger sees that challenge, ponders a bit [16:20] electricus: selinux is a good thing, but with LIDS, Bastille Unix & AppArmour, idk if it's a necessary thing [16:21] i don't know if i'm using any of those .. how can i tell? [16:23] I mean, everybody ships with defaults, I tweak them with iptables, throw in arpalert & have the alert script isolate them from the network [16:23] others really lock it down further, what are you needing to lock down, from whom [16:26] you'd have to know for Bastille Unix & LIDS, nature of their setup [16:27] apparmour.....lemme see here... [16:29] electricus: did you build your own package, pretty good bet you only had selinux [16:30] default install of centos6 [16:30] sorry ubuntu guys :-) [16:31] electricus: like I said, pretty good bet you only had selinux [16:31] regarding another machine.. my kvm host: I am using an additional 1tb disk as an additional volume group named vm_stor [16:32] i have put all my kvm guests raw disk images there on lvm [16:33] strangely enough though.. even though the vms are all running away.. the volume is not even mounted as far as i can tell [16:33] here's my mounts; http://pastebin.com/kFTiWxZW [16:35] electricus: ~# lvs [16:40] electricus: ^ see if the volume is listed [16:40] electricus: and I'd be looking at "df -h" output, looking at what doesn't fit [16:41] here you go [16:41] http://pastebin.com/87c1pKfk [16:42] actually check this one out.. shows /dev/mapper too [16:42] http://pastebin.com/J4GstyS8 [16:42] i'm also in the middle of a snapshot [16:43] i think the nuances are related to the way proxmox-ve distro has set things up [16:43] you manage it mostly with a web gui and i think that's why it might be a little different than the way it normally may be [16:47] electricus: no signs vm_stor in use, clearly see two out of three from pve (and reasonable to surmise the third (swap) is in use too [16:48] what about /dev/mapper ? [16:49] it's showing the disks for 102 and 103 and the snapshot in progress [16:49] i'm just new to all this lvm stuff. [16:50] i like it..but i don't know enough about it. just keep reading ..just keep reading .. I know :-) [16:50] /dev/mapper/vm_stor-vm-102-disk-1 [16:50] for example ^ [16:51] yes [16:51] that is a live running vm.. [16:51] electricus: lvm is one I'm still working out at times too (rsync I've got down ;-)) [16:51] that is actually my new mail server i worked so hard on [16:51] haha.. [16:51] i understand [16:51] /dev/mapper/vm_stor-vm-103-disk-1 ? [16:52] well what is most awesome about it is that i'm taking a full snapshot of the machine right now (while it's running) and dumping it onto external storage :-) [16:52] how cool is that! [16:52] and you can also move volumes around from machine to machine with no downtime [16:53] what's weird is looking at the ls -l output and it shows "brw-rw---- 1 root disk 253, 3 " [16:54] LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert [16:54] i'm assuming the 'b' is block device and then you have the blocks and sectors instead of size and so forth [16:54] vzsnap-proxmox-0 vm_stor swi-ao 1.00G vm-102-disk-1 11.52 [16:55] ya..isn't that cool [16:55] i guess you don't mount lvm raw in the traditional sense necessarily [16:56] well..anyway, i'm heading to lunch [16:56] later [16:56] that suggests your backup is going well, it's making it's own logical volume for snapshots, I'm aware of snapshots, but I just rsync one partition (/var/www/mirror) and some files in /etc (mostly pertaining to bind9 squid & apache) [16:57] electricus: seems lvm has something else in mind, yes [16:57] and uh, good luck at a 4pm lunch [19:00] howdy everyone [19:15] Bonjour wrst [19:23] cyberanger: how you doing? [19:45] wrst: not much atm [19:45] bonjour cosmicpizza [19:45] hola average_guy [19:45] hey cyberanger [19:45] hello cyberanger [19:46] cyberanger: that's a good thing i hope [19:46] howdy, average_guy cosmicpizza [19:46] How's everybody doing [19:46] Hi wrst [19:47] * wrst is doing well for a monday [19:47] wrst: old chinese curse "May you live in intresting times" followed by new american curse (Great Recession inspired) "May you endlessly look for work" [19:47] I'm doing pretty good today, how are you guys? [19:48] tossed with the lack of renewal on another computer project (this one is not a suprise, company wanting the work is in a rocky spott too) [19:51] average_guy: reasonably well [19:55] I have talked in here much lately because I been using win7 fairly exclusively [19:56] this is the first I've really messed with it [19:57] average_guy: don't let that keep you from commenting :) [19:57] how do you like it? [19:57] I appreciate how well all of microsoft's applications integrate together [20:00] most linux ppl are windows bashers, no me so much [20:01] I prefer linux tho [20:01] average_guy: i'm no windows fan but to so its total crap is a little bit not exactly true [20:01] well vista was :) [20:04] I've never actually seen vista wrst. I've heard a lotta negative comments about it though. Seems like it was pretty much just a test platform for a lot of the features now available in 7 [20:05] average_guy: it was awful [20:06] I am a big fan of XP. It is the first OS I really learned inside and out [20:06] thing that bothers me about MS is how they do a awful release followed with a fairly solid release seems to be hwo they do it [20:06] Well wrst, most linux distros are the same [20:07] they do lots of small releases testing new things (like unity) and then they do a major release [20:09] the diffrence is that with Microsoft, if you spent the money on an in-between release (like vista or ME) yer boned [20:10] Microsoft is not too bad as long as you have a zillion dollars to spend [20:10] yeah average_guy and ubuntu well tell you to use the LTS on large deployments [20:11] *will tell [20:11] Yeah wrst, Microsoft won't TELL you [20:12] plus you aren't out money just aggervation [20:13] if you stay with somthing like RHEL, Debian stable, Ubuntu LTS you are going to have a solid solid system [20:13] oh cyberanger I am liking debian more and more the more I use it [20:14] tru, and don't get me wrong, I still believe linux is far superior [20:15] oh average_guy but the thing is use what works best for you :) [20:15] there are applications where windows may be the best choice [20:16] I believe open-source is really the only way for good stable code to evolve [21:44] +1M [22:24] average_guy: I have been using debian fairly exclusively, hasn't kept me from commenting on my opinions of ubuntu & win7 (it's Microsuck, and ubuntu's going down a dead alley blind, in reguards to unity) [22:25] granted, I'm also a loudmouth, so take my comments with a grain of salt [22:25] wrst: testing or stable? [22:27] I like debian cyberanger, and I take everything with a grain of salt [22:28] average_guy: lol, cool (and maybe take two grains for me then, lol) testing or stable? [22:30] I have debian-stable on one of my machines cyberanger [22:31] I prefer arch though [22:31] this week.. [22:34] average_guy: I like the similarities to arch & debian testing, seems I've got a debian leaning (after years of that, plus projects that meddle with key debian components, like apt) [22:35] distro flamewar? [22:38] johnhaitas: so far I don't think so, but different opinions on the distros we use, perhaps [22:38] now, if I had time to get started on unity & centos, I think we could have a flamewar [22:41] why do I keep presuming I'm gonna leave a work site on time :-/ [22:42] I flame no distro, to each his own.. [22:42] average_guy: good policy [22:42] average_guy: +! [22:42] *+1 [22:42] I flame every distro, equal oppurnity hater [22:43] but I like average_guy's idea better, less rage involved [22:44] I'm far to apathetic to HATE anything [22:46] how can debian and ubuntu be a flame war...? [22:46] it's the same [22:46] rut row [22:46] wrong thing to say [22:47] oh noes [22:47] yep, he just loaded my gun [22:47] what's the diff. cyberanger ? [22:47] :D [22:48] binarymutant: for time sake on my end, I'll merely point at unity, if you can install it on debian, I'll drop that statement when I get back [22:48] cyberanger: you can install on debian :D [22:48] or manage to install iceweasel on ubuntu [22:48] within apt [22:49] you can :D [22:49] with iceweasel enable the debian sid repo and apt-get it [22:50] with unity, bzr pull it, compile, and run :D [22:50] binarymutant: I'll be more in depth when I get back on the reasons I use debian instead [22:50] (and a stunt like that is why debuntu exists wrst ^^) [22:50] bbl [22:50] meeting time, and I'm late again :-/ [22:50] * cyberanger detaches screen, crawls out window [22:53] heh or really you could just add ubuntu's repos and apt-get it, vice-versa