[05:50] <Kilos> morning superfly maiatoday and others
[05:55] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos
[05:58] <Kilos> hi ender
[06:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:21] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:25] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[08:00] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey 
[08:00] <kbmonkey> hya Kilos 
[08:01] <kbmonkey> sorry i got rudely cut off last time
[08:01] <Kilos> i really hope you got broadband going for tonights meeting
[08:01] <Kilos> np
[08:01] <kbmonkey> he he
[08:01] <Kilos> dont laugh
[08:01] <Kilos> make it work
[08:01] <kbmonkey> i have 10Mb wifi vouchers so I might need to dc to recharge during the meet, lols
[08:03] <Kilos> recharge at 7pm and dont do anything else till meeting over
[08:03] <kbmonkey> otherwise how are things
[08:03] <Kilos> not too bad ty lad and with you
[08:03] <Kilos> been very quiet here
[08:03] <kbmonkey> yesh you don't have me to banter with as often ;)
[08:04] <Kilos> lol
[08:04] <kbmonkey> I'd send you photos but it's tricky with your bandwidth too
[08:04] <Kilos> yeah its lonely
[08:04] <kbmonkey> I could resize them really small I guess
[08:04] <Kilos> what photos?
[08:04] <kbmonkey> snaps of when I climbed lion's head
[08:04] <kbmonkey> and the beach
[08:04] <Kilos> use gimp and
[08:04] <Kilos> um
[08:05] <Kilos> shotwell
[08:05] <kbmonkey> imagemagick
[08:05] <Kilos> no man landscapes are for uncapped peeps
[08:06] <Kilos> you still on holiday?
[08:07] <kbmonkey> I got some freelance design jobs, have another meet in a while
[08:07] <Kilos> thats good to hear
[08:07] <kbmonkey> technically Im still on holiday but I been spending time learning Python programming
[08:08] <kbmonkey> taking opportunity of time to learn skills
[08:08] <Kilos> good
[08:09] <kbmonkey> Kilos was there an email or something sent to notify the meet details? cant seem to  find any
[08:09] <Kilos> nope i dont think so
[08:09] <Kilos> we just announced here
[08:10] <kbmonkey> oh, okay. what time, 19h30 yes?
[08:11] <kbmonkey> Kilos I should appoint you the official email notifier ;)
[08:11] <Kilos> you the one with authority to announce on the lists of tonights meet
[08:11] <Kilos> i think i told nuvolari to be here too
[08:11] <Kilos> yip 7.30
[08:11] <Kilos> lol
[08:12] <Kilos> i think when most peeps see my mails they delete them in case they get stuck trying to help me
[08:13] <Kilos> and if i tell maaz to announce he says i announce not the hear ye bit
[08:14] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha! well I read your emails!
[08:16] <Kilos> lol, no good 2 peeps know about the meeting
[08:16] <Kilos> evryone must know
[08:17] <Kilos> aw ender left without even greeting
[08:17] <kbmonkey> urg, loco ubuntu site is so not user friendly
[08:21] <Kilos> ender wb
[08:23] <kbmonkey> any topics for the agenda to suggest Kilos ?
[08:25] <Kilos> whew. is there nothing in old meets that hasnt been resolved yet
[08:27] <Kilos> maybe we can plan a huge complaint to vodacom for the bad servise last few weeks
[08:27] <Kilos> even nuvolari stuck on gprs with a usb modem
[08:28] <Kilos> service
[08:29] <kbmonkey> great idea!
[08:31] <Kilos> oh ya even inetpro was stuck on 2g as well
[08:31] <Kilos> it seems country wide
[08:32] <kbmonkey> I heard the sea cable has troubles
[08:32] <Kilos> would be nice if someone knows someone at vodacom and get him/her here for the meet
[08:32] <Kilos> oh ya but that surely shouldnt kill local services
[08:36] <Kilos> i see their CEO is a tweeter as well
[08:36] <kbmonkey> I dropped off the tweeting scene :(
[08:36] <Kilos> google vodacom CEO email address
[08:36] <Kilos> eish
[08:36] <Kilos> Maaz, google vodacom CEO email address
[08:36] <Maaz> Kilos: "Vodacom's CEO Replies Directly To Angry Twitter Followers" http://www.businessinsider.com/pieter-uys-twitter-2011-7 :: "Pieter Uys appointed as Vodacom CEO" http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/pieter-uys-appointed-as-vodacom-ceo-2008-07-11 :: "Vodacom CEO email address" http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/366512-Vodacom-CEO-email-address :: "iPhone 4 here end September, tweets Vodacom CEO | memeburn" http://memeburn.com/
[08:37] <Kilos> yeah but lots of the guys tweet all day
[08:38] <kbmonkey> yes, I got info overload from it
[08:38] <Kilos> lol
[08:39] <Kilos> i only go their on the odd accasion from pidgin, but even pidgin sleeping mostly
[08:58] <kbmonkey> well I'll chat to you laters Kilos 
[08:58] <kbmonkey> and sdehaan 
[08:58] <kbmonkey> and nuvolari 
[08:58] <Kilos> ok i will be back tonight
[08:59] <Kilos> when data gets to 1 meg i go off till night
[08:59] <magespawn> howdy all
[08:59] <Kilos> lo magespawn 
[08:59] <Kilos> meeting tonight hey
[08:59] <magespawn> okay will try to be there
[09:00] <Kilos> lol, dont try, do
[09:00] <Kilos> hehe
[09:00]  * magespawn checks data available on cell
[09:00] <Kilos> here at 7.30pm
[09:00] <Kilos> eish the data curse
[09:01] <kbmonkey> info overloads error
[09:01] <magespawn> yup should be able to come have 37 mb left
[09:01] <Kilos> yay
[09:01] <kbmonkey> yey
[09:01] <Kilos> magespawn, no pc at home?
[09:01] <magespawn> okay 
[09:02] <magespawn> yes but no land line
[09:02] <Kilos> use the cell as a modem
[09:02] <magespawn> i can but it uses less data if i do it from the phone
[09:03] <Kilos> yeah but kinda hard to type
[09:03] <magespawn> nah i have n900 full keyboard
[09:03] <Kilos> i used jedirc on fone but whew what a job
[09:04] <Kilos> oh not tiny keys like the bb
[09:05] <Kilos> i think bbm should turn most peeps off messaging
[09:06] <magespawn> relatively small keys but a typable layout
[09:06] <Kilos> those with fingers not pins
[09:07] <Kilos> ah
[09:07] <Kilos> ok long as you at the meeting
[09:07] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900
[09:07] <Kilos> i think the fly has one too
[09:11] <Kilos> zeref-c, wb tail and all
[09:11] <zeref-c> Pew pew
[09:11] <Kilos> hehe
[09:12] <kbmonkey> Kilos I managed to get them pictures down to 155kb, resized small, if you keen for some scenery :)
[09:12] <Kilos> meeting here tonoght hey
[09:12] <kbmonkey> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18686471/images/cape-town-lions-head.tar.gz
[09:12] <zeref-c> Hi kilos
[09:13] <Kilos> kbmonkey, its actually going to the sites with a browser that uses unnecessary data
[09:13] <kbmonkey> laters alligators
[09:13] <Kilos> chow now
[09:13] <zeref-c> Anybody here used open bravo?
[09:13] <magespawn> nope
[09:13] <kbmonkey> Kilos, dont use the browser thatis your pc defaults inaction
[09:13] <kbmonkey> rather use wget 
[09:13] <kbmonkey> wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18686471/images/cape-town-lions-head.tar.gz
[09:13] <kbmonkey> to dl directly
[09:14] <Kilos> oh can wget do pics
[09:14] <kbmonkey> it is a gzip archive
[09:14] <kbmonkey> compressed
[09:14] <Kilos> and they .tar.gz
[09:14] <kbmonkey> jpg
[09:15] <Kilos> dont you need to convert .tar to .jpg
[09:15] <kbmonkey> lol
[09:15] <Kilos> hehe you laughing again
[09:15] <zeref-c> Lol
[09:15] <Kilos> i wget and see
[09:15] <kbmonkey> no, you open the .gz archive in file-roller
[09:16] <kbmonkey> double-clicking it should work, you will see how it works
[09:16] <kbmonkey> the images are stored inside the archive
[09:16] <magespawn> zeref-c what is bravo?
[09:16] <kbmonkey> you extrtact them
[09:16] <kbmonkey> okay gotta go
[09:16] <magespawn> later kbmonkey
[09:16] <Kilos> later kbmonkey 
[09:17] <kbmonkey> hope to chat again tonite magespawn :)
[09:17] <zeref-c> Its an erp, companies use it to manage their clients and products
[09:18] <magespawn> found it left out the open
[09:33] <Kilos> Maaz, tell kbmonkey ty. nice pics. and well shrunk. need to learn how to do that some time
[09:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell kbmonkey on freenode
[09:36] <magespawn> Kilos do you have anything like Gimp?
[09:36] <Kilos> yip i use gimp
[09:36] <Kilos> image and scale i think
[09:37] <Kilos> and shotwell to crop
[09:38] <magespawn> yup then the archive manager to zip them all up, this makes them even smaller
[09:38] <Kilos> didnt look that far into gimp
[09:38] <Kilos> ty
[09:40] <Kilos> archive manager in gimp?
[09:40] <Kilos> i dont see one
[09:42] <magespawn> no it is in the file manager 
[09:42] <Kilos> ah ty
[09:43] <Kilos> it says it cant create the archive
[09:43] <magespawn> odd
[09:43] <Kilos> active type not supported
[09:43] <magespawn> hold on
[09:43] <Kilos> jpg i used
[09:44] <magespawn> should just select the files then right click select compress
[09:45] <Kilos> ok i try
[09:45] <Kilos> ya that works ty magespawn 
[09:45] <magespawn> no worries
[09:49] <magespawn> i have my mythbuntu running
[09:50] <Kilos> yay that took a while
[09:50] <magespawn> ja had a lot of other work this weekend so only got back to it know
[09:50] <magespawn> know=now
[09:50] <Kilos> ah
[10:08] <Kilos> Superhuman, meeting here tonight hey
[10:08] <Kilos> nuvolari, dont forget tonight
[10:09] <Kilos> SubOracle, you so quiet. never say anything
[10:09] <Kilos> secbrid, meeting here tonight at 7.30 please try attend
[10:10] <SubOracle> Kilos: Haha
[10:10] <Kilos> lol
[10:11] <SubOracle> Actualy just the quassel core has been online, havn't connected to it for months :P
[10:11] <Kilos> ah
[10:12] <Kilos> well now you know we having a meeting tonight
[10:13] <SubOracle> Yea, saw on the mailing list
[10:14] <Kilos> lol. some of the guys dont worry about them so i nag here too
[10:14]  * Kilos wonders where highvoltage is
[10:15] <Kilos> got caught up in the power cost increases
[10:22] <Kilos> now gone solar
[10:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:22]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:30] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:30] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[10:40] <magespawn> Kilos now having problems getting the ati graphics card to work. may just use the mythbuntu without it
[10:41] <Kilos> thats what i do
[10:41] <Kilos> default
[11:32] <nuvolari> :O o/ lo everyone
[11:49] <Wolfeyes> Hello all and Kilos :-)
[11:52]  * Wolfeyes sits eating a lemon.
[12:25] <magespawn> howdy nuvolari  and Wolfeyes 
[12:26] <magespawn> Kilos had a brain wave and I am now moving the mythbuntu hardware to a flat old style desktop
[12:27] <magespawn> spray painted it first so the whole thing is black
[12:34] <ender> Hi Kilos!!!
[12:38] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn 
[12:38]  * nuvolari tips hat
[12:39]  * ender tries to tap his hat, but then comes to a revelation
[12:39] <magespawn> whats up?
[12:39] <magespawn> no hat?
[12:39] <ender> yea :(
[12:42] <ender> but still, hi guys (without any hat tipping)
[12:53] <magespawn> no worries we will not hold it against you.
[12:55] <ender> you can't, i dont have one :P
[12:59] <zeref-c> Meh, unity feels so wierd
[13:02] <ender> which you running? natty or  oneiric?
[13:14] <Kilos> hi guys
[13:15] <zeref-c> Lo
[13:15] <Kilos> ender, welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:16] <ender> haha, Thanks Oom Kilos
[13:18] <Kilos> eish
[13:19] <Kilos> who are/was/am you
[13:20] <ender> I am who I am, but a humble servant
[13:21] <ender> Maar ek ken jou nie (so ver ek weet nie).  :)
[13:22] <Kilos> hehe
[13:22] <Kilos> then where you get oom from
[13:23] <Kilos> nuvolari, no forget meeitng hey?
[13:23] <Kilos> meeting either
[13:26] <nuvolari> Kilos: thanks oom, I won'nt forget
[13:26] <ender> [15:44] <Kerbero> Kilos -> ender, ender -> oom Kilos
[13:27] <Kilos> lol jou skelm
[13:27] <ender> haha
[13:28] <ender> was n bietjie besig met werk daardie tyd, het nou die dag vir my n irc proxy opgestel spesiaal vir sulke gevalle
[13:28] <nuvolari> Kilos: hoe laat is dit nou weer oom?
[13:28] <ender> haha
[13:28] <Kilos> 7.30
[13:29] <Kilos> skelm skelm
[13:30] <Kilos> nuvolari, 1930
[13:34] <zeref-c> Kilos, is there a meeting 2nites
[13:35] <Kilos> yessir
[13:35] <Kilos> oh miss
[13:35] <zeref-c> Miss?
[13:35] <zeref-c> Meh
[13:35] <Kilos> zeref-c,  is the girlfriend of zeref
[13:35] <Kilos> right
[13:36] <Kilos> hehe
[13:36] <zeref-c> lulz, she was just using my phone that time
[13:37] <Kilos> ha ha
[13:37] <ender> thats what they all say
[13:37] <Kilos> so its zerefs cell not zerefs chick as i thought
[13:37] <ender> after a drink or 2
[13:38] <Kilos> lol
[13:38] <zeref-c> Was using unity today, felt wierd.
[13:39] <Kilos> why?
[13:39] <zeref-c> Lol, enders
[13:40] <zeref-c> Apps r on the side, not on the top. 
[13:40] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn welcome to ubu za
[13:41] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos , thanks for the welcome :)
[13:41] <Kilos> eish
[13:41] <Kilos> hey nlsthzn 
[13:41] <Kilos> zeref-c, aw thats not lekker
[13:41] <nlsthzn> o/ to all
[13:41] <Kilos> hehe, meet tonight nlsthzn 
[13:41] <zeref-c> Think i'll b goin wit gnome 3
[13:42] <nlsthzn> Kilos: I saw... a bit late for me, but I am sure I can lurk the first half hour :)
[13:42] <Kilos> zeref-c, are the panels not movable
[13:42] <ender> haha 'uncle' nogals
[13:42] <Kilos> lol
[13:42] <ender> no :(
[13:42] <ender> it has to ne on the left
[13:43] <zeref-c> No
[13:43] <Kilos> eish
[13:44] <Kilos> no add remove panel option even??
[13:45] <zeref-c> Yeah
[13:45] <Kilos> but on the right only
[13:46] <zeref-c> I dont know bout movin to the right
[13:47] <Kilos> oh dunno where i got that idea from, see now you said side
[13:47] <Kilos> with gnome they cant be top, bottom or sides
[13:48] <Kilos> nlsthzn, unity 2g is that same as gnome classic
[13:48] <Kilos> or is it unity with everything the same but no 3d graphics
[13:49] <nlsthzn> Gnome 2D = 3D (almost)
[13:50] <nlsthzn> Gnome-Fallback that comes with Gnome Shell is closer to the old Classic
[13:51] <Kilos> ty nlsthzn . cant be too bad
[13:52] <nlsthzn> ?
[14:06] <magespawn> later all see you at the meeting
[14:06] <Kilos> ok magespawn 
[14:06] <Kilos> no be late
[14:06] <Kilos> you got lots to learn
[14:06] <Kilos> aw
[14:41] <nlsthzn> Huis toe vir my !!
[14:41] <Kilos> later dan nl
[14:41] <Kilos> eish
[15:20] <kbmonkey> wb Kilos 
[15:20] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[15:20] <kbmonkey> can you believe murphey is at it again
[15:20] <Kilos> you broadbanding?
[15:20] <Kilos> eish
[15:21] <Kilos> what the swine did now
[15:21] <kbmonkey> no on wireless by thebackpackers
[15:21] <kbmonkey> just got late notice the census folks are coming my way 8pm tonite. lol
[15:21] <Kilos> tough
[15:22] <Kilos> for them
[15:22] <kbmonkey> let them wai
[15:22] <Kilos> is there no one at home??
[15:22] <Kilos> they didnt see me at all
[15:22] <Kilos> swaar told them i here
[15:22] <superfly> kbmonkey: I probably won't be at the meeting this evening, I don't have a permanent internet connection at the new house yet, and we need to go back to the old house and sort out stuff
[15:22] <kbmonkey> that's okay superfly 
[15:22] <Kilos> eish superfly 
[15:23] <kbmonkey> um I don't even think we have anything to talk about, except the last minutes
[15:26] <Kilos> kbmonkey, my brat will join you when you start the lpi course
[15:26] <kbmonkey> it's a big mission moving house, init superfly :p
[15:26] <Kilos> he just started with the book the weekend
[15:26] <superfly> kbmonkey: it is
[15:26] <Kilos> moving sucks big time
[15:27] <kbmonkey> my plans didnt work out 100%, now Ill have to stay in a house share instead of renting a place. hmmm. murphey
[15:28] <kbmonkey> no idea where I'll put the washing machine! lol
[15:28] <Kilos> takes months to get everything sorted out as it was
[15:33] <kbmonkey> how old is your brat Kilos ?
[15:33] <kbmonkey> living in CT?
[15:35] <Kilos> hmmm
[15:35] <Kilos> 36 i think
[15:36] <Kilos> in rustenburg
[15:37] <kbmonkey> ah
[15:39]  * nuvolari feels nauseous from hearing the word "moving" in the context of house
[15:39] <Kilos> ha ha
[15:39]  * nuvolari gaan soos mis maak en in die pad val
[15:39] <Kilos> nuvolari, die apie is darem hier
[15:40] <Kilos> mooi loop sien jou later
[15:42] <nuvolari> okei is reg oom!
[15:42] <nuvolari> welkom terug in die cybortubes kbmonkey 
[15:43] <Kilos> kbmonkey, we can try work a strategy to get direct contact to the voda ceo
[15:43] <kbmonkey> dankie nuvolari!
[15:43] <kbmonkey> only used 0.3MB the last20 mins, irc is very lean
[15:43] <Kilos> it doesnt help foning their help
[15:44] <kbmonkey> why do we want their ceo again kilos?
[15:44] <kbmonkey> for that linux laptop deal?
[15:44] <Kilos> the operators there think everyone is a fool and string you along and try blame your fone or modem first
[15:44] <Kilos> what deal?
[15:44] <kbmonkey> let me find that article link...
[15:44] <Kilos> to complain about poor service
[15:46] <nuvolari> vodacom was all over me yesterday and today
[15:46] <Kilos> Maaz, google vodacom CEO email address
[15:46] <Maaz> Kilos: "Vodacom's CEO Replies Directly To Angry Twitter Followers" http://www.businessinsider.com/pieter-uys-twitter-2011-7 :: "Pieter Uys appointed as Vodacom CEO" http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/pieter-uys-appointed-as-vodacom-ceo-2008-07-11 :: "Vodacom CEO email address" http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/366512-Vodacom-CEO-email-address :: "iPhone 4 here end September, tweets Vodacom CEO | memeburn" http://memeburn.com/
[15:46] <nuvolari> called me 3 times!
[15:46] <kbmonkey> ubuntu based netbook on contract via vodacom
[15:46] <nuvolari> I missed it twice
[15:46] <Kilos> somewhere there i hope
[15:46] <kbmonkey> elinks http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Vodacom-Vodafone-Webbook/
[15:46] <nuvolari> and they even DM'ed me on twitter to ask for an additional contact number
[15:46] <Kilos> there lots of stuff to hunt through
[15:47] <kbmonkey> not a good deal IMHO
[15:47] <Kilos> i cant i already on 1.9m for the day
[15:47] <kbmonkey> or at the least, they should make all ubuntu updates free off the local repos
[15:47] <kbmonkey> ill give you the quick version Kilos 
[15:47] <Kilos> yeah that could help
[15:48] <Kilos> just his email address
[15:48] <kbmonkey> 10" screen 512MB RAM 4GB storage for R1,500
[15:49] <Kilos> remember i have 512m lappy ram here
[15:49] <Kilos> 512 is a bit min to run ubuntu nicely
[15:50] <kbmonkey> if you pay R1899 you get a contact modem with 100MB per month data
[15:50] <kbmonkey> so its really not that great a deal, plus they lock you in a contract. rabble rabble rabble!
[15:51] <Kilos> 100m is nothing unless you only do emails and irc
[15:51] <kbmonkey> facebook users will use that in a day
[15:52] <Kilos> if we can get them to do a special for linux users i am sure they will get more customers on broadband
[15:52] <Kilos> when you fone them for help they cant even help you set up a fone as a modem unless you on winsucks
[15:53] <Kilos> and with a new install you looking at 2 to 300m updates alone
[15:53] <kbmonkey> free ubuntu updates, free freenode access, and free ubuntuforums. that would benice
[15:54] <kbmonkey> just like mweb does free local
[15:54] <Kilos> yeah thats can help lots
[15:55] <superfly> nuvolari: the new house is like 3 times the size of our old one... do you remember our old one?
[15:56] <kbmonkey> not only that, it would setup a solid support network for ubuntu users
[15:56] <Kilos> freenode can use more than a meg a day just refreshing to  adams.freenode.net:8001   
[15:57] <Kilos> sakhi, wb
[15:58] <Kilos> JabberwockyA19, dont miss tonights meeting hey?
[16:00] <ender> Jabberwocky!!
[16:00] <Kilos> kbmonkey, do you get linux tips in your mails
[16:00] <ender> dis n awesome naam
[16:00] <Kilos> lol
[16:00] <ender> asof hy nie regtig bestaan nie
[16:00] <Kilos> Maaz, define jabber wocky
[16:00] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about jabber wocky. Maybe you meant jabberwocky?
[16:01] <Kilos> Maaz, define jabberwocky
[16:01] <Maaz> Kilos: jabberwocky n 1: nonsensical language (according to Lewis Carroll)
[16:02] <ender> die Jabberwocky project was in Better Off Ted, naam vir n pjocek wat nooit bestaan het nie, maar niemand wou dom klink deur nie te weet wat dit is nie
[16:03] <Kilos> lol
[16:16] <JabberwockyA19> thanks for the heads up Kilos!
[16:16] <Kilos> you been to quiet lad
[16:16] <JabberwockyA19> currently busy with examinations
[16:17] <Kilos> ah, sorry, good luck
[16:18] <JabberwockyA19> thanks I've only got 3 left :)
[16:20] <Kilos> hope all goes well
[16:25] <Kilos> kbmonkey, i asked you if you get the mail from linux tips
[16:26] <kbmonkey> linux tips? no I don't, that a site?
[16:27] <Kilos> i will forward you the last one
[16:28] <Kilos> everythings is links but no actual site shown
[16:28] <Kilos> they have sent some good tips in last coupla years
[16:29] <Kilos> i think i registered there when i first started and sukkeled with the main ubuntu lists
[16:30] <Kilos> then the fly showed me the za side to life
[16:33] <magespawn> howdy all
[16:33] <Kilos> hi magespawn welcome
[16:33] <magespawn> Kilos guess what?
[16:33] <Kilos> tell me
[16:34] <Kilos> too old to guess
[16:34] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn ender and zeref 
[16:34] <ender> hi kbmonkey 
[16:34] <magespawn> i broke the pins on the hard drive for the mythbuntu machine
[16:34] <magespawn> hi kbmonkey
[16:34] <Kilos> wow magespawn how did you manage that
[16:34] <Kilos> broke or just bent?
[16:36] <magespawn> i bent the one the tried to straighten it, then snapped it off
[16:36] <magespawn> the=then
[16:36] <Kilos> you gotta be gentle, there is an old afrikaans saying
[16:36] <Kilos> eish
[16:36] <Kilos> met geweld kan jy jou finger in jou gaai af breek
[16:37] <Kilos> is this in the ide connector magespawn 
[16:37] <magespawn> yup
[16:37] <kbmonkey> ha ha Kilos! never heard that one
[16:37] <magespawn> let me explain
[16:37] <kbmonkey> ... wat soek jou vinger in jou gaai in the eerste plek, dis die vraag
[16:38] <magespawn> got the drive second hand
[16:38] <Kilos> whew magespawn with lotsa work you can replace that pin from one off another scrap drive
[16:38] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ha ha
[16:38] <magespawn> the plastic around the connector was broken already, and i was not paying attention
[16:39] <Wolfeyes> heya magespawn 
[16:39] <magespawn> got another drive or three so kit okay
[16:39] <magespawn> hey Wolfeyes
[16:39] <ender> magespawn, what all you you run with mythbuntu?
[16:40] <magespawn> had spare parts machine and i am putting a entertaiment centre together
[16:40] <Kilos> its all about geweld man
[16:40] <Kilos> Wolfeyes, welcome
[16:40] <Kilos> magespawn, to straighten bend pins you need a tool lots like a longnose pliers but without teeth
[16:40] <Wolfeyes> Why ty Kilos 
[16:40] <kbmonkey> hello there Wolfeyes 
[16:40] <ender> i tried XBMC, but my videos lag for some reason
[16:41] <kbmonkey> know that feeling magespawn, killed a few pins in my day too :p
[16:41] <Kilos> kbmonkey, he my brat
[16:41] <magespawn> had that but i think thet were already damaged from previous owner
[16:41] <Waceman> hi guys, hope everyone is doing well. Got a video driver problem, wondering if someone can help? Installed 11.10 on an old pc (800 mhz, nvidia geforce 256) - When I install the Current nvidia driver, unity doesn't load... just the desktop and a menu bar... if I install an older version it says the driver is activated but not installed... problem is it's very slow without the driver
[16:41] <kbmonkey> yes those old ide pins were fragile like that
[16:41] <Kilos> what sizedrive magespawn 
[16:41] <magespawn> ender maybe it is a graphics problem
[16:42] <magespawn> 60gb
[16:42] <Kilos> hi Waceman welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:42] <Waceman> thanks Kilos
[16:42] <Kilos> eina
[16:42] <Wolfeyes> heya kbmonkey 
[16:42] <kbmonkey> Waceman what model nvidia card is it? search the ubuntu wiki for supported cards
[16:43] <Wolfeyes> lol @ brat
[16:43] <Waceman> I think it's a Geforce 256... eish it's been awhile since I bought the thing ;)
[16:43] <ender> magespawn, without XBMC, running it straight on ubuntu it works fine though :(
[16:43] <magespawn> i think there is a way to look it up Waceman
[16:44] <magespawn> ender that is strange
[16:44] <Kilos> try looking in synaptic
[16:44] <Wolfeyes> Kilos, you said 7 or 7:30?
[16:44] <Kilos> 7.30
[16:45] <magespawn> ender what is XBMC? desktop?
[16:45] <ender> maybe codecs used in XBMC
[16:45] <Wolfeyes> Maybe if this client doesn't come back I can still get home in time.
[16:45] <Wolfeyes> You don't know how long it is Kilos ?
[16:45] <magespawn> what do you do Wolfeyes?
[16:45] <Kilos> the meet should be short
[16:45] <kbmonkey> what are we going to talk about Kilos? lol
[16:46] <ender> yes desktop, can run it as OS, but om running it on top of ubuntu 10.04
[16:46] <Kilos> voda for starters
[16:46] <Wolfeyes> At the moment I am busy with the installations of computer software and the hardware for clocking machines and time and attendance magespawn.
[16:46] <magespawn> maybe thats the problem ender
[16:46] <magespawn> sounds like fun.
[16:47] <Wolfeyes> I am loving it at the moment.
[16:47] <Kilos> Waceman, look in synaptic and type in nvidia in the top little search block
[16:47] <ender> yea, but its supposed to work, and i use the pc as a network series, music and movie server, so have to run ubuntu as well
[16:47] <Wolfeyes> The can always be improved but I am not complaining it is work that I love and I have time to learn further in the computer direction.
[16:48] <Waceman> Kilos: I had to install Synaptic since it doesn't automatically come with 11.10... and I've installed all the nvidia drivers I can find on there?
[16:48] <magespawn> always good to learn Wolfeyes
[16:48] <Wolfeyes> It is ...
[16:48] <kbmonkey> Waceman you can run lspci in a term to show your hardware details, it should show the model in there
[16:48] <Waceman> thanks
[16:49] <Kilos> Waceman, if you can actually look on the card for the model it might help
[16:49] <magespawn> ender the Mythbuntu runs XFCE as default. maybe try that.
[16:49] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[16:49] <Kilos> i only know the hard way
[16:49] <ender> yea i will, thanks
[16:49] <magespawn> thats what i meant Kilos just could not remember
[16:50] <Wolfeyes> magespawn, at the moment I am trying to finish to complete this ubuntu server course so I can change the work server to ubuntu.
[16:50] <magespawn> maybe it only runs with the closed drivers
[16:50] <Wolfeyes> brb
[16:50] <Waceman> k, lspci said, "nVidia Corporation: nVidia Corporation NV10DDR [GeForce 256 DDR]
[16:50] <Waceman> "
[16:51] <Waceman> found this: "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto"
[16:52] <nuvolari> I am about to loose it
[16:52] <nuvolari> forgot my charger at work
[16:52] <nuvolari> netbook keyboard's r doesn't work
[16:52] <Kilos> what nuvolari 
[16:52] <magespawn> for what nuvolari
[16:52] <Kilos> eish
[16:52] <nuvolari> and vodacom is as unstable as  a spark near tnt
[16:52] <magespawn> lol
[16:53] <nuvolari> if there's any errors in my typing, it's because my connection lags 20 minutes
[16:53] <nuvolari> :P
[16:53] <Kilos> someone else had a nvidia prob here a while back and had to use a force command
[16:55] <Kilos> Waceman, look what they say here
[16:55] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_256
[16:55] <superfly> Waceman: you want to install nvidia-current and nvidia-settings
[16:55] <superfly> Kilos: ^^
[16:55] <kbmonkey> Waceman https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[16:55] <nuvolari> oh, and I'm on support. so tonight is the night I might die
[16:55] <superfly> kbmonkey: no, he most likely just needs to install nvidia-current, which is the binary driver
[16:56] <magespawn> nuvolari thats why i work for myself
[16:57] <kbmonkey> that sucks nuvolari :/
[16:57] <Kilos> lol magespawn you get up in the morning and kiss the mirror and say morning boss
[16:58] <magespawn> yup i just don't get a raise
[16:58] <Kilos> lol
[16:58] <Kilos> tough boss you got
[16:58] <Waceman> superfly: When I install current the speed is improved... or so it seems. But Unity doesn't start... I just get a desktop with a menu item.. and can browse files.. and that's about it.. I can get into desktop settings too, and then All Settings.. and when I click on Additional Drivers it says, the current driver is activated but not in use
[17:02] <nuvolari> ok, see you guys later, maybe. I need to save my battery
[17:02] <Kilos> 30 mins nuvolari 
[17:03] <Kilos> wace i duuno but maybe you need to uninstall some of the other drivers first
[17:03] <Kilos> hopefully the fly has some time to help you
[17:03] <Kilos> i gotta go eat quick
[17:04] <ender> installing mythbuntu-destop 350mb
[17:05]  * kbmonkey eats an apple
[17:06] <kbmonkey> see you laters nuvolari 
[17:06] <zeref> hurrrrrrrrrr
[17:06] <zeref> anybody used openbravo?
[17:07] <Waceman> thanks Kilos
[17:08]  * nlsthzn goes for a quick shower so he can be in time for the meeting and not miss the snack-bar this time...
[17:08] <kbmonkey> good idea nlsthzn 
[17:08] <kbmonkey> think i'll do that too
[17:09] <kbmonkey> Waceman have you searched ubuntuforums.org for this issue?
[17:10] <Waceman> kbmonkey: nope, just googling it the last couple of days..
[17:10] <kbmonkey> yes I don't see any results that jump out either. mmm
[17:10] <superfly> Ohi.
[17:11] <superfly> Waceman: I don't run Ubuntu, so I can't help you with Unity.
[17:12] <superfly> Sorry.
[17:12] <Waceman> It's OK. what do you run?
[17:12] <superfly> KDE nut here 
[17:12] <Waceman> how do you rate Mint?
[17:12] <Waceman> I just want to stick some OS on my old PC so that someone can use it... ;p
[17:13] <superfly> haven't used it. Looks pretty slick though.
[17:14] <superfly> Waceman: these days KDE is less 3D intensive than Gnome-based stuff
[17:15] <Waceman> so is Kubuntu da sh*t?!
[17:15] <Waceman> ;)
[17:15] <Waceman> always liked the look of it, never tried it
[17:15] <superfly> Well, I really like it, but that's just my opinion 
[17:17] <afrodeity> wikikleaks just got suspended
[17:19] <magespawn> ender i have uncapped adsl
[17:20] <magespawn> afrodeity is that good or bad?
[17:20] <zeref> when is teh meeting
[17:21] <Kilos> 7.30 zeref 
[17:21] <afrodeity> magespawn: bad
[17:22] <magespawn> never went to the site just followed some of what happened in the news and online.
[17:22] <Kilos> Waceman, how brave are you
[17:22] <Waceman> pretty brave
[17:22] <Waceman> haha
[17:22] <Waceman> it's a completely fresh system.. so I can go wild
[17:22] <Kilos> see if you can remove those drivers you got in synaptic
[17:23] <Kilos>  and then install the common one
[17:23] <Kilos> i gotta go look
[17:23] <Kilos> nvidia-current
[17:24] <Kilos> i am not sure if apt-get autoremove will do that
[17:25] <Waceman> So on my very first attempt, that's the one I installed. I then activated it in "Additional Drivers". Rebooted.. was much faster.. but all I could see what a menu bar at the top "File Edit etc..."
[17:25] <Kilos> didnt it work with the defaults Waceman 
[17:25] <Waceman> nope
[17:25] <Kilos> hi octoquad 
[17:25] <Waceman> this is an old card
[17:25] <ender> magespawn, i have a local mirror :)
[17:26] <octoquad> hi Kilos 
[17:26] <ender> but cant stream movies with that though :(
[17:26] <octoquad> Hi everyone
[17:26] <Kilos> ah unity giving probs
[17:26] <afrodeity> () -  [/]
[17:26] <Kilos> try install 2d
[17:26]  * nlsthzn has arrived
[17:27] <magespawn> nice
[17:27] <afrodeity> () -  [/]
[17:27] <Waceman> I can log out, and then select 2D that way?
[17:27] <magespawn> just catching a snake brb
[17:27] <Kilos> nlsthzn, how you do the 2d with ocelot
[17:27] <kbmonkey> okay back just in time
[17:27] <nlsthzn> Kilos, 2d is installed by default... there is a gear on the log in page... click it
[17:28] <nlsthzn> Maaz, tea please
[17:28] <Maaz> Everybody here drinks coffee or goes thirsty
[17:28] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee on
[17:28]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:28] <kbmonkey> he doesn't like making tea
[17:28] <nlsthzn> He doesn't have enough class
[17:28] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:29] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:29] <kbmonkey> problem is if there's tea, there should be scones as well
[17:29] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[17:29] <Maaz> Top shelf behind the calender
[17:30] <nlsthzn> Maaz, lekker wees
[17:30] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Excuse me?
[17:30] <kbmonkey> we have a few peeps in here tonight!
[17:30] <Kilos> kbmonkey, will apt-get autoremove remove graphics drivers no longer in use
[17:30] <afrodeity> spanking
[17:30] <kbmonkey> before we start, is there anything anyone here wants me to add to the agenda?
[17:31] <kbmonkey> spankings excluded afrodeity 
[17:31] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:31] <afrodeity> wikileaks?
[17:31] <kbmonkey> I think if any package is not being used, autoremove will take them out
[17:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[17:32] <kbmonkey> ubuntu-za related topics ;)
[17:32] <Kilos> Waceman, sudo apt-get autoremove
[17:32] <afrodeity> sorry forgot
[17:32] <magespawn> back
[17:32] <Waceman> Kilos: what's that?
[17:33] <Kilos> should remove unused drivers/packages
[17:34] <kbmonkey> a bug on the loco.ubuntu agenda site doesnt link URL's properly :p
[17:34] <Kilos> Waceman, have you done an update
[17:34] <Waceman> yes
[17:34] <Kilos> ok sudo apt-get install aptitude
[17:34]  * nlsthzn looks at aptitude strangely... 
[17:35] <Kilos> then sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-current
[17:35] <afrodeity> alias install=
[17:35] <kbmonkey> word of caution: dont mixing using apt-get and aptitude
[17:35] <Kilos> sorry kbmonkey 
[17:35] <afrodeity> alias install="sudo apt-get install"
[17:35] <Kilos> why nlsthzn 
[17:35] <nlsthzn> apt-get has super-cow powers
[17:36] <kbmonkey> shall we begin?
[17:36] <afrodeity> lol
[17:36] <Kilos> yeah but aptitude does a nice reinstall and cleans up lots of unnecessary stuff
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz thanks for the coffee
[17:36] <Maaz> kbmonkey: no problemo
[17:36] <kbmonkey> aptitude has a cool cli interface
[17:36] <Kilos> yip go kbmonkey 
[17:37] <octoquad> Kilos: you can also do sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current :)
[17:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz start meeting about Monthly IRC Meet
[17:37]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:37] <Kilos> kbmonkey, keep a list of commands in a file for me please
[17:37] <kbmonkey> for Maaz? I will show you, maaz tells you.
[17:38] <Waceman> Kilos: what is your plan? 
[17:38] <Kilos> whew octoquad thats lots of typing
[17:38] <kbmonkey> Maaz I am Wesley Werner
[17:38] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Sure
[17:38] <octoquad> Kilos: really? lol
[17:38] <JabberwockyA19> sudo apt-get -s moo ?
[17:38] <Waceman> I want to hear it before I start using super cow commands
[17:38] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:38] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Done
[17:38] <Kilos> but good to know ty
[17:38] <afrodeity> Maaz, I am David Robert Lewis
[17:38] <Maaz> afrodeity: Yessir
[17:38] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[17:38] <octoquad> Maaz, I am Bruce Pieterse
[17:38] <Maaz> octoquad: Righto
[17:38] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[17:38] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto
[17:39] <JabberwockyA19> Maaz: I am Willem Dreyer
[17:39] <Maaz> JabberwockyA19: Yessir
[17:39] <kbmonkey> Tonight's meet page URL is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/259/detail/
[17:39] <Kilos> Waceman, sign in to the meeting
[17:39] <Kilos> we go on after ok?
[17:39] <kbmonkey> for some reason the previous minutes link on that page opens the wrong URL (page bug?)
[17:40] <Waceman> guys, how do I edit system files if I don't have a terminal? I.e., how do I set myself as root?
[17:40] <kbmonkey> so the proper URL to the last meeting is: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-09-20-17-33-53.txt
[17:40] <nlsthzn> That is a huge Agenda
[17:40] <kbmonkey> it's a killer nlsthzn 
[17:40] <Kilos> control+alt+f2
[17:40] <afrodeity> slackers
[17:40] <kbmonkey> (think the page escapes the url into adding an extra %25,but anyways...)
[17:41] <Wolfeyes> Maaz, I am Ian Sharpe
[17:41] <Maaz> Wolfeyes: Righto
[17:41] <kbmonkey> great stuff
[17:41]  * nlsthzn sees he was present at the last meeting too
[17:41] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Review previous minutes
[17:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[17:41] <afrodeity> 404 not found oops
[17:41] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:42] <octoquad> afrodeity: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-09-20-17-33-53.txt
[17:42] <kbmonkey> So last time we got Ubuntu CD feedback, any chance someone has CD feedback?
[17:42] <octoquad> kbmonkey: you got my e-mail about the link right? :~)
[17:43] <nuvolari> i'z here
[17:43] <Kilos> sign in nuvolari 
[17:43] <kbmonkey> I did thanks octoquad :) the URL is correct in page, but looks like a page bug that open the  wrong URL. oopsie
[17:43] <Kilos> SubOracle, sign in
[17:44] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you not joining us?
[17:44] <kbmonkey> Perhaps we can submit that as a bug report to launchpad
[17:44] <afrodeity> hahahah
[17:44] <tumbleweed> Kilos: oh, hi
[17:44] <tumbleweed> Maaz: I am Stefano Rivera
[17:44] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Yessir
[17:44]  * nlsthzn wonders if anyone in SA got a CD?
[17:45] <kbmonkey> Kilos had a good idea last time to include the ubuntu-za link with CD's we hand out
[17:45] <tumbleweed> we distributed the cape town natty CDs
[17:45] <tumbleweed> any news on oneiric CDs?
[17:45] <kbmonkey> just revisiting that thought so we don't forget it, I wrote the ubuntu-za.org URL on all the Ubuntu CD's I have
[17:45] <afrodeity> I think I handed mine out at the Occupy Company Gardens event
[17:45] <afrodeity> Occupy Ubuntu
[17:46] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea note the ubuntu-za.org URL on any CD's we hand out
[17:46] <Maaz> Idea recorded: note the ubuntu-za.org URL on any CD's we hand out
[17:46] <magespawn> this is also one we do ourselves?
[17:46] <octoquad> kbmonkey: what about a QR code. I know it's a bit fancy, but for the techies?
[17:46] <nuvolari> oh my word 
[17:46] <nuvolari> *sigh*
[17:47] <Kilos> kbmonkey, i can make up a short tutorial for win peeps that arent it guys
[17:47] <Wolfeyes> lol
[17:47] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:47] <Maaz> nuvolari: Done
[17:47] <Kilos> IT
[17:47] <kbmonkey> sure, a QR is fine, always have a URL too
[17:47] <magespawn> that can be done. ink jet print them onto the cd?
[17:47] <Kilos> none IT peeps are afraid of command line
[17:48] <kbmonkey> personally I don't use QR's, need a better web enabled phone ;)
[17:48]  * nlsthzn sharpens his permanent marker
[17:48] <afrodeity> good localisation discussion btw
[17:48] <nuvolari> Kilos: you'll be surprised :P my boss doesn't like the cli
[17:48] <kbmonkey> or print them ona A4 page of labels, peel of stick on
[17:48] <nuvolari> he's only tailing logs :P
[17:49] <Kilos> lots of peeps are scared of cli
[17:49] <afrodeity> cli or death
[17:49]  * JabberwockyA19 is scared of Windows 8 secure boot
[17:49] <nuvolari> I'm lost without it :/
[17:49] <octoquad> Ok I created one, sharing the link soon...
[17:49] <magespawn> one thing i have found ppl are more likely to try it if it look good and professional
[17:49] <kbmonkey> thanks octoquad!
[17:50] <Kilos> yeah looks are everything to modern society
[17:50]  * nlsthzn sharpens his permanent marker and fetches a stencil
[17:50] <kbmonkey> which brings to the next point
[17:50] <nuvolari> what's more professional than a tty?
[17:50] <kbmonkey> ubuntu-za site spam comments and our 1970 events 
[17:50] <magespawn> also the official artwork can be used
[17:50] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, is it spam comments?
[17:51] <afrodeity> I think we need a few minutes silence for Gavin Ritchie and Steve Jobs
[17:51] <kbmonkey> yes nlsthzn, it seems like openid has been surpassed and the posts have spam :(
[17:51] <Wolfeyes> Who are they?
[17:51] <afrodeity> Sorry Dennis Ritchie
[17:51] <nlsthzn> :( I don't visit the site (except planet)
[17:52] <afrodeity> Wolfeyes: one is father of unix, other one is the guy who banked unix
[17:52] <Wolfeyes> ok ty
[17:52] <afrodeity> RIP
[17:52]  * nlsthzn sees all the spam... yikes
[17:52] <tumbleweed> um, what are we discussing?
[17:53] <kbmonkey> tumbleweed the spam on the ubuntu-za.org site.
[17:53] <octoquad> SPAM and our favourite friend 1970 events
[17:53] <kbmonkey> just curious, can we request access and fix those up perhaps?
[17:53] <nlsthzn> Lots happening in 1970
[17:53] <tumbleweed> yes, I see that, but the last topic change was to CD handouts, as part of a minutes review
[17:53] <octoquad> Regarding the 1970 events, me and superfly were unable to fix the problem as we need to dig in the code, but we/I don't have access to the server to do it
[17:53] <Kilos> can you install sugarplum there?
[17:53] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: talk to superfly
[17:53] <kbmonkey> okay
[17:54] <kbmonkey> just part of the previous mins review
[17:54] <superfly> sorry, been busy, plus without internet
[17:54] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:54] <Maaz> superfly: Done
[17:54] <Kilos> np superfly 
[17:54]  * inetpro does some lurking
[17:54] <kbmonkey> yes it's okay superfly, not urgent, just mentioning it so we don't forget :)
[17:55] <Kilos> evening inetpro sign in please
[17:55] <superfly> kbmonkey: next month should be better - I'm on holiday
[17:55] <magespawn> ha
[17:55] <kbmonkey> next point in the minute review: meeting chair.
[17:55] <tumbleweed> superfly: mollom gave me good anti-spam results
[17:56] <kbmonkey> I'll still be around, but we missed last week's meet, I'm so sorry about that!
[17:56] <kbmonkey> so in those cases it would be nice to have a backup
[17:56] <superfly> tumbleweed: yeah, gonna look at installing that... I also moved the login form to it's own page in an effort to get people to use the CAPTCHA
[17:56] <kbmonkey> It's really easy, and just like talking on IRC as usual.
[17:57] <superfly> kbmonkey: I can possibly
[17:57] <kbmonkey> you can ask Maaz what commands he takes via /msg Maaz help meet
[17:58] <Wolfeyes> Kilos, you have a msg
[17:58] <magespawn>  i also do not mind doing it
[17:58] <kbmonkey> for those who are curious. obviously if you want to control Maaz you will need given those rights, 
[17:58] <kbmonkey> thanks magespawn and superfly
[17:58] <kbmonkey> let's just call it contingency chairs :)
[17:59] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[17:59] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[17:59] <kbmonkey> oh dear, I completely forgot to change the topic. sorry
[17:59] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Meeting chair needs a hand
[17:59] <Maaz> Current Topic: Meeting chair needs a hand
[17:59] <afrodeity> in the event of destruction of planet earth as we know it due to climate change
[18:00] <kbmonkey> To recap, superfly and magespawn are possible stand-ins for chairing in emergencies
[18:00]  * inetpro suggests that Kilos helps out with calling the meetings, that is if he wants to be involved
[18:00] <nlsthzn> +1
[18:00] <Kilos> something wrong here i am getting 6 0r more lines at a time
[18:00] <kbmonkey> if it's a day where everyone can't chair, then we just default the meet to the next week
[18:00] <maiatoday> Maaz I am Maia Grotepass
[18:00] <Maaz> maiatoday: Sure
[18:00] <maiatoday> sorry i am late everybody
[18:00] <kbmonkey> hello maiatoday 
[18:01] <afrodeity> woot
[18:01] <nlsthzn> o/
[18:01] <inetpro> maiatoday: wb
[18:01] <maiatoday> ty
[18:01]  * inetpro is also late
[18:01] <Kilos> welcome maiatoday 
[18:01] <kbmonkey> we just finished reviewing the prev minutes maiatoday. our agenda is small but lively
[18:02] <JabberwockyA19> hi maiatoday
[18:02] <octoquad> Ok guys QR codes are ready
[18:03] <octoquad> Plain version: http://www.ipuma.za.net/ubuntu-za/Ubuntu_South_Africa.png
[18:03]  * JabberwockyA19 takes out his phone
[18:03] <kbmonkey> If you here are interested in chairing, but am unsure or a little hesitant, just pop in #ubuntu-za and ask us questions
[18:03]  * nuvolari gives up
[18:03] <kbmonkey> thanks octoquad 
[18:03] <octoquad> With link underneath: http://www.ipuma.za.net/ubuntu-za/Ubuntu_South_Africa_w_link.png
[18:03] <nuvolari> *facepalms @ vodacom*
[18:03] <Kilos> QR codes?
[18:03] <Kilos> me doff
[18:04] <nlsthzn> Kilos, glorified bar-codes 
[18:04] <afrodeity> it looks a bit like a skateboarder
[18:04] <afrodeity> if you squint
[18:04] <kbmonkey> octoquad do those link to ubuntu-za.org?
[18:04] <octoquad> yes, I have tested with my phone. I actually created from my phone as well :P
[18:05] <Kilos> for what nlsthzn 
[18:05] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea print QR codes for Ubuntu CD's (addition to ubuntu-za.org URL)
[18:05] <Maaz> Idea recorded: print QR codes for Ubuntu CD's (addition to ubuntu-za.org URL)
[18:05] <nuvolari> ok, I'm leaving, as I have a lag of > 30s
[18:05] <magespawn> you can put small graphics in the middle of the code if you want to get fancy like the circle of friends
[18:05] <JabberwockyA19> octoquad: works here too, S60 5th
[18:05] <nuvolari> see later everyone
[18:05] <nlsthzn> Maaz, It is a block thingy you take a photo of with your smart-phone and it will go to the url it points to etc
[18:05] <Maaz> nlsthzn: I already know stuff about It
[18:05] <octoquad> JabberwockyA19:  awesome ;)
[18:05] <kbmonkey> Kilos its to put on the CD's for those savvy folks. still put the URL too
[18:05] <nlsthzn> Kilos, , It is a block thingy you take a photo of with your smart-phone and it will go to the url it points to etc
[18:05] <nlsthzn> lol
[18:06] <kbmonkey> later nuvolari 
[18:06] <kbmonkey> okay moving on
[18:06] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic Ubuntu hour for November
[18:06] <Maaz> Current Topic: Ubuntu hour for November
[18:06] <kbmonkey> Who is keen for an ubuntu hour?
[18:06] <octoquad> I think http://www.ipuma.za.net/ubuntu-za/Ubuntu_South_Africa_w_link.png is a better on to be used with link underneath, just in case they can't read the QR code
[18:07] <octoquad> better one rather
[18:07] <maiatoday> are you still in capetown kbmonkey, if you are we can try to organise an ubuntu hour after 10 nov?
[18:07] <superfly> kbmonkey: me, if it's the 3rd week of November or later
[18:07] <kbmonkey> being new in cape town, I'd like to have an hour here :)
[18:07] <JabberwockyA19> I agree octoquad, one with link underneath
[18:07] <magespawn> +1
[18:07] <maiatoday> I know queery is super busy with his thesis and people round here are writing exams
[18:08] <afrodeity> november is crazy for me with COP17
[18:08] <kbmonkey> yes I am maiatoday, and sure superfly we can make in the 3rd week, and even an hour before, we can have 2 if we try!
[18:08] <maiatoday> kbmonkey lets have an ubuntu hour after my exam 10 nov so 3rd week sounds good
[18:09] <kbmonkey> I'm in Obs, but have a car and can get around. Is there a usual place?
[18:09] <maiatoday> nah no usual place we do a stellenbosch one because it is easy
[18:09] <maiatoday> how about lets say lunch at obz cafe on a saturday
[18:09] <kbmonkey> I was in Stellies last week :)
[18:09]  * superfly is in muizenberg
[18:09] <maiatoday> or maybe brunch
[18:09] <afrodeity> obs cafe yay
[18:10] <superfly> maiatoday: that'll be a bit crazy WRT parking
[18:10] <kbmonkey> +1 for obz cafe
[18:10] <magespawn> i am going to have to move
[18:10]  * superfly would rather do it somewhere more accessible for those who have cars to park
[18:11] <superfly> what about the train station restaurant in muizenberg? :-P
[18:11] <superfly> it's right above the muizenberg train station
[18:11] <superfly> you can take a train
[18:11] <superfly> and look out over the sea
[18:11] <afrodeity> also kook
[18:11] <superfly> :-P
[18:11] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <afrodeity> kool
[18:11] <maiatoday> I can make it after 11:30 anywhere there
[18:12] <kbmonkey> I'm easy and keen to see new places, so you folks can decide :)
[18:12] <maiatoday> superfly you wanna run with it and organise?
[18:12] <kbmonkey> yes, sort that out on the ml
[18:12] <kbmonkey> ml == mailing list
[18:12] <superfly> maiatoday: I'll be in the USA up until the wednesday before, but I can try to organise it then
[18:13] <maiatoday> ok well whatever works for you. kbmonkey I'll mail you maybe we can have another one too
[18:13] <superfly> it should be fine if a couple of us just descend on the restaurant
[18:13] <maiatoday> yeah perfect
[18:13] <kbmonkey> I will organize it superfly if you can be the venue decider
[18:13] <JabberwockyA19> maiatoday: you at brazen by any chance?
[18:13] <maiatoday> not really much to organise except decide when and where and be there
[18:13] <superfly> kbmonkey: I already decided :-P
[18:13] <kbmonkey> fantastic!
[18:13] <maiatoday> JabberwockyA19: not at the moment
[18:13] <superfly> and I'll have my brand new netbook too :-D
[18:14] <maiatoday> anybody in the rest of the country, don't feel left out, make your own ubuntu hour
[18:14] <kbmonkey> Maaz agreed kbmonkey and superfly to announce November ubuntu hour in CT
[18:14] <Maaz> Agreed: kbmonkey and superfly to announce November ubuntu hour in CT
[18:14] <maiatoday> whoohooo
[18:14] <afrodeity> remember to put something in the press
[18:14]  * nlsthzn will be in SA in December... would love to see an hour then :D
[18:14] <kbmonkey> I feel bad for nuvolari 
[18:14] <Kilos> superfly, internet connection at the station
[18:15] <magespawn> tiny prob with that idea.
[18:15] <kbmonkey> CT just has so many more *nix users, wow
[18:15] <superfly> Kilos: none, AFAIK
[18:15] <afrodeity> oops
[18:15] <Kilos> so everyone must be broadbamded
[18:15] <maiatoday> ubuntu hours also work if you just talk to the people that are there too, no need for internet connection unless you want to irc aswell
[18:16] <kbmonkey> I'll need to install ubuntu on netbook then
[18:16] <magespawn> nice for ppl not there.
[18:16] <maiatoday> so don't worry about internet access
[18:16] <octoquad> kbmonkey: one of the reasons I want to move to Cape Town next year!
[18:16] <inetpro> tumbleweed: congrats for being part of the DMB \o/
[18:17] <superfly> kbmonkey: just remind me to bring my cellphone USB cable, I have all the ISOs on my phone
[18:17] <kbmonkey> okay, anybody else in our beautiful country want to have an Ubuntu hour?
[18:17] <inetpro> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2011/10/24/stefano-rivera-is-now-part-of-the-dmb/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ubuntu-news+%28Ubuntu+News%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
[18:17] <kbmonkey> okay superfly. usb-a/b?
[18:17] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I'm only there because persia is mia, but thanks
[18:17] <superfly> kbmonkey: normal USB
[18:17] <maiatoday> can I add an impromptu agenda item after we are done with this one: feedback on release CT release party
[18:17] <nlsthzn> tumbleweed, \m/ congrats
[18:17] <kbmonkey> always carry usb with my netbook
[18:18] <kbmonkey> sure maiatoday 
[18:18] <superfly> kbmonkey: I can put a bootable Ubuntu on a flash disk and bring that with
[18:18] <maiatoday> thanks kbmonkey
[18:18] <superfly> anyways, let's chat about that later
[18:18] <superfly> what's the next item?
[18:18] <kbmonkey> Maaz topic feedback on release CT release party
[18:18] <Maaz> Current Topic: feedback on release CT release party
[18:18] <afrodeity> nd there I was thinking DMB was short for dumber
[18:19] <kbmonkey> congrats tumbleweed! :)
[18:19] <tumbleweed> right, the CT release party was minute, probably my fault
[18:19] <maiatoday> ok the release party was small and big at the same time
[18:19] <maiatoday> we had a banner up in canal walk and all the algorithm circle people there but only 5 or 6 people for the actual release party
[18:20] <afrodeity> shwaa a banner, good one 
[18:20] <kbmonkey> yes I saw that photo with the banner, well done! =D
[18:20] <tumbleweed> one of which, Charlie, was a complete newbie to our community, and so we heard many interesting things from him.
[18:20] <maiatoday> one good thing is there was a new guy (oops I forgot his name) and he wants us to focus on more beginner things
[18:20] <tumbleweed> maiatoday: ^5
[18:20] <maiatoday> yeah Charlie
[18:20] <maiatoday> hi tumbleweed 
[18:20] <tumbleweed> heh, hi
[18:21] <maiatoday> so we decided to make a bigger thing of the next release party since it is a LTS and also we want to focus on beginners
[18:21] <maiatoday> hopefully I'll have more time in april
[18:21] <kbmonkey> I guess beginner things could be showing them at the hour what alternative apps there are
[18:21] <maiatoday> so I think everybody who comes to the release party should bring along a beginner
[18:21] <maiatoday> if they can
[18:21] <superfly> yes, I think it might be a good idea to try to make the release party a bit more like a computer fare?
[18:21] <maiatoday> and then we'll have same beginnerish talks too
[18:22] <kbmonkey> yes!
[18:22] <maiatoday> I'll try to do a poll on the mailing list of topics and people to do the talks
[18:22] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea bring a newbie friend to the next release party
[18:22] <Maaz> Idea recorded: bring a newbie friend to the next release party
[18:22] <maiatoday> and I'll try to make an effort to make the beginnerish-ness visible with the posters etc
[18:22] <maiatoday> that's it
[18:23] <kbmonkey> thanks for that topic maiatoday!
[18:23] <kbmonkey> okay I think that's it. Does anybody want to add anything?
[18:23] <JabberwockyA19> I will show the newbies how to play games, if I am able to make it.
[18:23] <JabberwockyA19> The next LTS will have 5 years for desktop and server
[18:23] <maiatoday> yeah and thanks tumbleweed for remembering the banner :)
[18:24] <Kilos> kbmonkey, no forget the vodacom job
[18:24] <tumbleweed> (this time :P )
[18:24] <maiatoday> JabberwockyA19: game demos are good for beginners
[18:24] <kbmonkey> we can rant over vodacom after the meet, ubuntu-za related topics here ;)
[18:25]  * nlsthzn should already be in bed :)
[18:25] <nlsthzn> Awesome meet... cheers all
[18:25] <kbmonkey> okay thanks everyone
[18:25] <superfly> yeah, I have a couple of cross-platform games I could possibly demo too
[18:25] <kbmonkey> thanks JabberwockyA19 that would be great too!
[18:25] <magespawn> maybe with the alt programs have the manuals/tutorial
[18:25]  * JabberwockyA19 gets out his moonbuggy
[18:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz idea JabberwockyA19 to show off some games
[18:25] <Maaz> Idea recorded: JabberwockyA19 to show off some games
[18:26] <JabberwockyA19> magespawn: yes like vimtutor
[18:26] <superfly> I think we can discuss the rest on the mailing list?
[18:26] <kbmonkey> okay I have census people here now, good timing
[18:26] <kbmonkey> Maaz end meeting
[18:26] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:26] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-10-24-17-37-27.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-10-24-17-37-27.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-10-24-17-37-27.html
[18:26] <maiatoday> yeah I just wanted to mention it to get everybody thinking about it
[18:26]  * afrodeity fixing sooperlooper
[18:26] <maiatoday> thanks for chairing kbmonkey 
[18:26] <Kilos> grrr
[18:27] <Kilos> kbmonkey, 
[18:27] <kbmonkey> np maiatoday :] I did it all on 3MB lol
[18:27] <maiatoday> wow
[18:27] <kbmonkey> Kilos 
[18:27] <magespawn> any ubuntu ppl up hluhluwe way?
[18:27] <Kilos> we need to work out how to aproach vodacom
[18:27] <kbmonkey> why you growling?
[18:27] <Kilos> the boss not clerks
[18:28] <kbmonkey> yes we do, but I wanted to keep the meet za-related and not a flame war :p 
[18:28] <magespawn> for what Kilos?
[18:28] <kbmonkey> when we get the ceo in during a meet, then we can have some good topics!
[18:29] <Kilos> someone here might have an idea or two
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <Kilos> ok
[18:29] <Kilos> free updating on voda is so za related
[18:29] <Kilos> how do we contact him?
[18:29] <kbmonkey> meeting updated
[18:29] <Kilos> he is most likely a windows person
[18:30] <inetpro> kbmonkey: did you ask Maaz to stop recording?
[18:30] <kbmonkey> I did inetpro 
[18:30] <kbmonkey> meeting ended
[18:30] <inetpro> ahh ok
[18:30] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey nice job
[18:30] <inetpro> sorry... missed that
[18:30] <octoquad> well, if you won't be needing me, i'll be on my way...chat soon everyone!
[18:31] <Kilos> inetpro, you wanna tweet the vodacom CEO
[18:31] <kbmonkey> thanks octoquad!
[18:31] <Kilos> ty octoquad 
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... not yet I think
[18:31] <magespawn> inetpro did you see the pictures from this morning?
[18:31] <Kilos> go safe
[18:31] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos go via tweets and linkedin
[18:31] <superfly> bye guys, got toddlers and things to sort out
[18:31] <kbmonkey> cheers superfly 
[18:31] <kbmonkey> chat soon
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: they sent me a questionnaire that I have not filled in yet
[18:31] <Kilos> cheers superfly ty for attending
[18:31] <magespawn> later superfly
[18:32] <maiatoday> bye superfly 
[18:32] <Kilos> on what inetpro 
[18:33] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey nice meet
[18:33] <Kilos> and 3m good
[18:34] <kbmonkey> you payed attention Kilos ;)
[18:34] <Kilos> lol i tried but was getting 6 lines at i time
[18:35] <Kilos> bad lag
[18:35] <Kilos> now we need a tweeter to go further with the voda ceo
[18:35] <magespawn> kilos scroll back select text and sales as text file oln desktop
[18:36] <magespawn> sales = save
[18:36] <Kilos> you mean highlight?
[18:36] <magespawn> yup
[18:37] <inetpro> Kilos: http://paste.ubuntu.com/718131/
[18:37]  * inetpro has not had the time and energy to respond
[18:37] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[18:37] <Kilos> hey Banlam 
[18:37] <magespawn> i am off to bed been up since 4
[18:38] <Banlam> hey Kilos, could i get the link to the minutes please?
[18:38] <kbmonkey> thanks again all, I need to go now
[18:38] <magespawn> later all
[18:38] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:38] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[18:38] <kbmonkey> Banlam the meeting details is at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/259/detail/
[18:38] <Banlam> thanks
[18:38] <kbmonkey> np :]
[18:39] <kbmonkey> hope to pop in tomorrow morning - after my 5am run! 
[18:39] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:39] <kbmonkey> Kilos if you msg Maaz "help meet" he tells you what you can do
[18:40] <kbmonkey> Maaz help meet
[18:40] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[18:40] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[18:40] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[18:40] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[18:40] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[18:40] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[18:40] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[18:40] <Kilos> yeah i got that ty but now the fly and mage willing to help
[18:41] <Kilos> so i will monitor all
[18:41] <Kilos> and breathe a sigh of relief
[18:42] <Kilos> eish inetpro thats what i say
[18:42] <Kilos> the prob is with mainly modems now and country wide
[18:43] <Kilos> poor connectivity and slow connections countrywide
[18:43] <Kilos> what will your cellphone number help the fools
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[18:44] <Kilos> they all stuck in a groove thats why i say we need to mail or contact the CEO directly and make it his prob
[18:44] <Kilos> not the fool at the helpdesk
[18:45] <Kilos> inetpro, this is him
[18:45] <Kilos> http://www.businessinsider.com/pieter-uys-twitter-2011-7
[18:46] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean I should give hime a shout?
[18:46] <Kilos> just tweet him for an email address to him personally 
[18:46] <Kilos> yeah
[18:46] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos and inetpro and all
[18:46] <Kilos> i cant sit on twitter
[18:47] <inetpro> kbmonkey: good night
[18:47] <Wolfeyez> Not to mention the amount of calls that are not going through because of network problems
[18:47] <Kilos> night kbmonkey kipp lekker
[18:47] <Wolfeyez> cheers kbmonkey 
[18:47] <kbmonkey> cheers Wolfeyez
[18:47] <maiatoday> okedoke cheers everybody
[18:48] <Wolfeyez> aw I didn't know maia was still here
[18:49] <Wolfeyez> that was a pretty short meeting
[18:50] <Kilos> normally an hour and a bit
[18:51] <Kilos> discuss whats necessary and plan future events etc
[18:51] <Kilos> not much embroidery
[18:52] <Wolfeyez> Ok so this wasn't part of the classes.oooooooooooooh ok, no wonder ...I was getting confused there.
[18:54] <Kilos> no man , monthly meeting
[18:54] <Kilos> classes still coming in the future
[18:54] <Wolfeyez> ah ok
[18:55] <Wolfeyez> ty
[18:56] <Kilos> but if you have problems with understanding the book you can mail kband he or nuvolari will try help you in the mail or give you links to where you can see what to do
[18:58] <Wolfeyez> ok ty
[19:02] <Kilos> night all. me go crash too now
[19:02] <Kilos> see ya all tomorrow
[19:02] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:02] <Wolfeyez> night everyone
[20:30] <Waceman> waddup guys? eish still trying to get my nVidia going... 
[20:45] <ender> nag julle mense wat nog wakker is
[23:52] <marcog> someone should announce https://www.facebook.com/notes/ubuntu/stefano-rivera-is-now-part-of-the-dmb/10150339043246546 maybe on the ML? drubin?