[02:07] <Daskreech> valorie: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia-pacific/285-indian-girls-replace-names-meaning-unwanted-to-rise-above-gender-discrimination/2011/10/22/gIQAb9vI6L_story.html Thought you would like that
[02:37] <valorie> thanks Daskreech
[02:37] <valorie> reading
[02:39] <valorie> that's great that they are changing
[02:39] <valorie> but how horribly sad that they were ever named that, or were unwanted
[02:39] <valorie> :(
[02:40] <valorie> India will not become the great nation she can be until all humans are valued equally
[02:50] <Daskreech> valorie: I know it's such a mixed emotion article
[02:50] <valorie> progress is good, celebration is good
[02:51] <Daskreech> yes. I like that the school peers are choosing to use the new names
[02:51] <valorie> I knew my parents wanted a boy, but I didn't feel unwanted
[02:51] <valorie> here in the US, when parents CAN choose, they are more often choosing girls
[02:53] <valorie> I would like all children to be wanted, loved, nurtured
[02:53] <valorie> we'll get there eventually
[02:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  I think it's the opposite.  ppa-purge removes the packages from your system.  I think klearppa removes the packages from the PPA.
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> aah,makes sense
[02:55] <Daskreech> THey choose girls?
[02:55] <Daskreech> hmm wonder why?
[02:55] <maco> Daskreech: perception that boys are pains in the rear to raise?
[02:55] <maco> that whole "*sigh* boys will be boys....*tut tut*"
[02:56] <Daskreech> maco: They are
[02:57] <Daskreech> Not saying that it's a breath of fresh air raising girls
[02:57] <ScottK> No, but it's definitely different.
[02:59]  * Daskreech smiles
[03:00] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: btw, how hard would it be to get muon/libqapt 1.2.2 SRU'd if they follow KDE point release policy?
[03:00] <Daskreech> Does the new LTS rule apply for Kubuntu ?
[03:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think it'd be an email to the TB.  Not a big deal.
[03:00] <ScottK> Daskreech: What rule?
[03:00] <Daskreech> LTS is 5 yr support
[03:01] <ScottK> Probably.
[03:01] <ScottK> It'd be weird for it not to since it's exactly no more work to do so.
[03:01] <ScottK> I suppose that'll get worked out at UDS.
[03:02]  * Daskreech wants to start pimping Kubuntu locally
[03:06] <Daskreech> But it seems that they are making LTS to LTS upgrades much more centered around when the new LTS comes out
[03:08] <valorie> what do you folks think about testing http://www.jupiterapplet.org/ to use in Kub?
[03:09] <valorie> I keep hearing that battery use in *buntu is half as good as Windows
[03:12] <Daskreech> valorie: I dont' know about 1/2 but it's certainly poorer
[03:14] <Daskreech> sabdfl got elected to the Community Council. Nice 
[03:26] <ScottK> valorie: It'd need to be really tested to see if it's better.  At a glance, some of the things they are doing (changing CPU mode) are obsolete with modern kernels.
[03:31] <valorie> I haven't heard about anyone else working on solutions for the problem
[03:32] <valorie> seems like more folks would be interested
[04:37] <yofel_> JontheEchidna: ppa-purge removes packages from your system, klearppa removes sources from a PPA
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> cool
[04:37] <yofel_> good morning btw. :)
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> haha, I'm about to go to bed
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> yay timezones :P
[08:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah, but I can't do anything till they crack the sbk v2 key and fix the mini boot loader thingy
[08:37] <shadeslayer> and stupid xbox .. doesn't come with a variable voltage adapter
[08:37] <shadeslayer> -.-
[09:26] <bambee> hi
[09:30] <Riddell> bonjour bambee 
[09:31] <bambee> salut Riddell  :)
[10:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you register blueprints for UDS or did I imagine that?
[10:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: you must have imagined, or launchpad ate them :)
[10:55] <Riddell> nom nom
[10:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: do we need/want a session for muon?
[10:58] <Riddell> Quintasan: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P has a maybe by your name, do you know if you're coming?
[11:01] <Riddell> maco: are you expecting to be in kubuntu sessions?  can I put you on that page?
[11:17] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah, I think I'd like a session and maybe see what the Kubuntu dev community can come up with as a wishlist.
[11:22] <JontheEchidna> is there anybody who speaks french that could help me with bug 283728? If I could get him to provide a backtrace I think it would help.
[11:22] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 283728
[11:22] <JontheEchidna> er
[11:22] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 284896
[11:22] <Riddell> c'est un boog!
[11:23] <Riddell> un moment
[11:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: translation added, it's not very enlightening
[11:25] <JontheEchidna> Hmm :(
[11:26] <JontheEchidna> gotta go, bbl
[11:54] <Riddell> bambee: quel est la difference entre "bonsoir" et "bonne soiree"?
[12:03] <bambee> Riddell: "bonsoir" est équivalent à "good evening", tu salues une personne et c'est le soir. "bonne soirée" est équivalent à "have a nice evening", tu l'utilises lorsque tu souhaites dire au revoir et souhaiter une bonne soirée à une personne.
[12:04] <bambee> Riddell: that's probably better to continue this discussion on #kde-fr, nop ?
[12:46] <txwikinger> Any idea why muon during upgrade always freezes?
[12:47] <txwikinger> apt-get upgrade works fine
[12:55] <ScottK> Quintasan: I confirmed the Kickoff thing is a regression from 4.7.1.  Also switch to classic kickoff is missing.
[13:28] <maco> Riddell: yeah
[13:31] <yofel> rekonq needs testing btw: bug 880922
[13:35] <Quintasan_> ScottK: I see, the bug was reported by someone else I guess?
[13:35]  * Quintasan would like to backport the patch
[13:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll be coming for sure, forgot to edit
[14:17] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 132 * bin/klearppa clean up the options, add an option to use a different source package status than Published and workaround lplib weirdness
[14:20] <CIA-130> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 133 * bin/klearppa typo
[14:22] <_Groo_> hi/2 
[14:22] <_Groo_> all
[14:22] <yofel> o/ _Groo_
[14:23] <_Groo_> yo yofel :D
[14:23] <_Groo_> im doing git calligra packages for oneiric as we speak
[14:27] <jtechidna> txwikinger: hicolor-icon-theme's update trigger script is hanging when gtk-update-icon-cache errors out: https://launchpad.net/bugs/855793
[14:28] <txwikinger> jtechidna: Well. but apt-get does not hang 
[14:29] <jtechidna> dpkg is doing the hanging. muon just seems to expose the bug
[14:29] <txwikinger> hmm.. I hear you, I am still confused why I never get the problem with apt-get
[14:29] <yofel> too many errors to stderr maybe?
[14:30] <yofel> as I remember the flood of messages when you update that
[14:30] <txwikinger> or maybe you need a timeout
[14:30] <jtechidna> apt-get is usually run in a full-blown terminal emulator usually. That might be the difference
[14:30] <jtechidna> eh, too much usually in that sentence ;-)
[14:30] <txwikinger> the problem is that inexperienced users use muon and it freezes, they reboot and dpkg is locked
[14:30]  * yofel usually just uses aptitude :P
[14:31] <jtechidna> it also seems to be a regression, since the same version of qapt/muon don't exhibit this error in 11.04
[14:32] <txwikinger> yes.. I always havee those GdkPixbuf errors on commandline
[14:33] <txwikinger> Why do we need to run gtk-update-icon-cache in KDE?
[14:34] <txwikinger> ubuntu is so messed up :(
[14:35] <jtechidna> Gtk uses an icon cache for its core icon system, and it needs to be updated when the icons change. So if hicolor-icon-theme and a gtk package are both installed the update occurs
[14:36] <jtechidna> so as long as gtk is installed, the icon cache update is needed for icons to work properly with gtk apps
[14:43] <txwikinger> Still no reason to have all those errors for several releases now
[15:02] <Quintasan> godamn
[15:02] <Quintasan> Kubuntu fails to discover my intergrated ethernet card
[15:02] <Quintasan> ...
[15:03] <yofel> o.O
[15:06] <Quintasan> I mean, how the hell it's even possible
[15:06] <Quintasan> AH !#%@#$@# THIS
[16:28] <rbelem> Quintasan, i just generated an arm cross compiler tarball pkg to use with icecc
[16:28] <rbelem> :-D
[16:28] <apachelogger> <3 xcompiling
[16:28]  * rbelem hugs apachelogger
[16:29] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will build the active packages with that
[16:30] <apachelogger> rbelem: I thought we have a PPA?
[16:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, they are really busy
[16:30] <rbelem> :'(
[16:30] <apachelogger> how about we install an open build serivce on the arm farm at ScottK's
[16:31] <rbelem> apachelogger, that would be awesum
[16:31] <rbelem> :-D
[16:37]  * rbelem goes for lunch
[17:34] <yofel> uhm. Why does kubuntu-full recommend nvidia-current and fglrx?
[17:35] <yofel> depending on something like bcmwl-kernel-source at least doesn't break anything
[17:36] <yofel> installing the nvidia or ati drivers will at least disable MESA. So if you're using intel you're left without opengl
[19:48] <apachelogger> yofel: cause it is full of brekage? *shrug*
[19:48] <yofel> why are we shipping breakage? ...
[19:48] <apachelogger> why do the prop drivers screw with MESA anyway?
[19:48] <apachelogger> seems rather brain dead to me
[19:48] <yofel> well, nvidia ships it's own libGL, so you somehow need to manage that
[19:49] <apachelogger> yofel: listen to the oneiric defaults sessoin from last uds
[19:49] <apachelogger> there is reasons, they are not good IMHO, but they are there
[19:49] <apachelogger> yofel: ah, right
[19:50] <apachelogger> yofel: well, that is a pain in the neck right there
[19:50] <apachelogger> it would totally make sense to have full provide all the rubbish one might or might not need
[19:51] <apachelogger> however if stuff is mutually exclusive that sort of compromises the use of it all
[19:51] <yofel> well, it's not mutually exclusive.... but you would've to run a few update-alternative switches after installing it for it to work...
[19:52] <apachelogger> right, so they are effectively mutually exclusive or something :P
[19:52]  * yofel files a bug and leaves the discussion for UDS
[19:53] <apachelogger> which reminds me
[19:53] <apachelogger> rbelem: I submitted the harmattan app to nokia store, see what they have to say about it
[19:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, nice :-)
[19:54] <apachelogger> if it is good I'll try to squeeze symbian in too
[19:54] <apachelogger> also Quintasan still needs to make the android ui
[19:54] <apachelogger> or maybe shadeslayer
[19:55] <rbelem> apachelogger, could it be the same ui?
[19:56] <apachelogger> structure wise, yes, for android2 anyway
[19:56] <apachelogger> android2 also has a page like navigation system inside apps
[19:56] <apachelogger> BUT we'd need new components for android
[19:56] <apachelogger> we can't simply copy the harmattan or symbian components unfortunately
[19:57] <apachelogger> though doing android components (from a non-UI) pov is not too complicated
[19:57] <apachelogger> copy the page stack impl from harmattan components and you are half way done
[19:58] <apachelogger> IIRC qtandroid even has screen size and rotation hinting implemented
[19:58] <Quintasan> derrpt
[19:58]  * Quintasan wonders how many dollarz should he take
[19:59] <apachelogger> 200 should be more than enough
[19:59] <apachelogger> unless you wanna go buy disney swag :P
[19:59] <Quintasan> Nah, I'll take 300 in case I see some hardware I want
[19:59] <Quintasan> or some other stuff
[19:59] <jjesse> you going to buy a phone or something while in US?
[20:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: unlikely you have time to go shopping :P
[20:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, i saw an app that was published in android market and nokia store
[20:00] <apachelogger> anyhow... they have ATMs in the US ;)
[20:00] <rbelem> built in qt
[20:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you know about this app?
[20:01] <apachelogger> I read about it, but I forgot what it was
[20:01] <apachelogger> but IIRC it did not have a 'platform' ui but a highly themed artwork based one
[20:01] <rbelem> maybe its source would be helpful
[20:01] <apachelogger> if it is floss ;)
[20:01] <rbelem> it is
[20:01] <rbelem> let me check the name
[20:02] <Quintasan> rbelem: You are coming to UDS?
[20:02] <rbelem> Quintasan, yup
[20:03] <Quintasan> rbelem: Great
[20:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yeah, and he will whip your booty hard if you don't get started on the android ui
[20:03] <Quintasan> I told you I ain't doing it
[20:04] <Quintasan> Let us have sheytan design something
[20:04] <apachelogger> how does that help coding?
[20:04] <apachelogger> plus rbelem has someone already on it
[20:04] <apachelogger> or so he claimed, I have yet to see results :P
[20:04] <Quintasan> Problem solved
[20:05] <rbelem> i will poke the designers again here
[20:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Would it be possible to port my QTrollface to androidz?
[20:06]  * apachelogger would poke his designers, but they don't seem to be approachable much ^^
[20:06] <Quintasan> WITH the memleak feature of coursse
[20:07] <Quintasan> Oh well, going to bed
[20:08] <yofel> nini Quintasan
[20:27] <rbelem> apachelogger, here is the post http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2011/10/11/first-android-meego-symbian-qt-app-released-to-stores/
[20:29] <afiestas> Quintasan: you're still under 21, right?
[20:29] <afiestas> Mueheheh
[20:31] <rbelem> afiestas, apachelogger, an app that i've been working http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313313_10150354902107017_529232016_8435036_234663579_n.jpg
[20:31] <rbelem> it was presented today night
[20:32] <rbelem> in the party of qt dev days
[20:32] <rbelem> :-D
[20:32] <rbelem> Quintasan, hahaha you cannot drink :-D
[20:39] <afiestas> rbelem: ready for our week of hacking in "All sharing stuff" ?
[20:39] <afiestas> you better be :p
[20:44] <rbelem> afiestas, i'm ready ya ;-)
[20:44] <rbelem> :-D
[20:44] <afiestas> rbelem: :p
[20:45] <rbelem> afiestas, bring it on
[20:45] <rbelem> :-D
[20:46] <rbelem> street fighters talks
[20:46] <afiestas> xd
[21:00] <apachelogger> rbelem: is jukebox open? :P
[21:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[21:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, the source will be released soon :-D
[21:04] <apachelogger> woohooo
[21:04] <apachelogger> awesome
[21:04]  * apachelogger hugs rbelem
[21:05] <rbelem> apachelogger, like chicken wranglers
[21:05]  * apachelogger totally failed when trying to get hold of the n9 browser code :P
[21:05]  * rbelem hugs back apachelogger 
[21:05]  * apachelogger has a total code fetish
[21:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you know if they released the code?
[21:06] <apachelogger> they haven't
[21:07] <apachelogger> I wasn't even able to find out who would be responsible for that at this point *shrug*