[02:07] valorie: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia-pacific/285-indian-girls-replace-names-meaning-unwanted-to-rise-above-gender-discrimination/2011/10/22/gIQAb9vI6L_story.html Thought you would like that [02:37] thanks Daskreech [02:37] reading [02:39] that's great that they are changing [02:39] but how horribly sad that they were ever named that, or were unwanted [02:39] :( [02:40] India will not become the great nation she can be until all humans are valued equally [02:50] valorie: I know it's such a mixed emotion article [02:50] progress is good, celebration is good [02:51] yes. I like that the school peers are choosing to use the new names [02:51] I knew my parents wanted a boy, but I didn't feel unwanted [02:51] here in the US, when parents CAN choose, they are more often choosing girls [02:53] I would like all children to be wanted, loved, nurtured [02:53] we'll get there eventually [02:54] JontheEchidna: No. I think it's the opposite. ppa-purge removes the packages from your system. I think klearppa removes the packages from the PPA. [02:54] aah,makes sense [02:55] THey choose girls? [02:55] hmm wonder why? [02:55] Daskreech: perception that boys are pains in the rear to raise? [02:55] that whole "*sigh* boys will be boys....*tut tut*" [02:56] maco: They are [02:57] Not saying that it's a breath of fresh air raising girls [02:57] No, but it's definitely different. [02:59] * Daskreech smiles [03:00] ScottK: btw, how hard would it be to get muon/libqapt 1.2.2 SRU'd if they follow KDE point release policy? [03:00] Does the new LTS rule apply for Kubuntu ? [03:00] JontheEchidna: I think it'd be an email to the TB. Not a big deal. [03:00] Daskreech: What rule? [03:00] LTS is 5 yr support [03:01] Probably. [03:01] It'd be weird for it not to since it's exactly no more work to do so. [03:01] I suppose that'll get worked out at UDS. [03:02] * Daskreech wants to start pimping Kubuntu locally [03:06] But it seems that they are making LTS to LTS upgrades much more centered around when the new LTS comes out [03:08] what do you folks think about testing http://www.jupiterapplet.org/ to use in Kub? [03:09] I keep hearing that battery use in *buntu is half as good as Windows [03:12] valorie: I dont' know about 1/2 but it's certainly poorer [03:14] sabdfl got elected to the Community Council. Nice [03:26] valorie: It'd need to be really tested to see if it's better. At a glance, some of the things they are doing (changing CPU mode) are obsolete with modern kernels. [03:31] I haven't heard about anyone else working on solutions for the problem [03:32] seems like more folks would be interested [04:37] JontheEchidna: ppa-purge removes packages from your system, klearppa removes sources from a PPA [04:37] cool [04:37] good morning btw. :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [04:45] haha, I'm about to go to bed [04:45] yay timezones :P [08:36] Quintasan: yeah, but I can't do anything till they crack the sbk v2 key and fix the mini boot loader thingy [08:37] and stupid xbox .. doesn't come with a variable voltage adapter [08:37] -.- [09:26] hi [09:30] bonjour bambee [09:31] salut Riddell :) === Guest27816 is now known as Mamarok [10:47] apachelogger: did you register blueprints for UDS or did I imagine that? [10:51] Riddell: you must have imagined, or launchpad ate them :) [10:55] nom nom [10:56] JontheEchidna: do we need/want a session for muon? [10:58] Quintasan: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P has a maybe by your name, do you know if you're coming? [11:01] maco: are you expecting to be in kubuntu sessions? can I put you on that page? [11:17] Riddell: yeah, I think I'd like a session and maybe see what the Kubuntu dev community can come up with as a wishlist. [11:22] is there anybody who speaks french that could help me with bug 283728? If I could get him to provide a backtrace I think it would help. [11:22] Launchpad bug 283728 in hplip (Debian) "HP usb network print adapter SDCAB-07-06" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283728 [11:22] kde bug 283728 [11:22] KDE bug 283728 in installer "MSC crashes when review fetch completes during cache reload" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=283728 [11:22] er [11:22] kde bug 284896 [11:22] KDE bug 284896 in installer "muon crash" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284896 [11:22] c'est un boog! [11:23] un moment [11:25] JontheEchidna: translation added, it's not very enlightening [11:25] Hmm :( [11:26] gotta go, bbl [11:54] bambee: quel est la difference entre "bonsoir" et "bonne soiree"? [12:03] Riddell: "bonsoir" est équivalent à "good evening", tu salues une personne et c'est le soir. "bonne soirée" est équivalent à "have a nice evening", tu l'utilises lorsque tu souhaites dire au revoir et souhaiter une bonne soirée à une personne. [12:04] Riddell: that's probably better to continue this discussion on #kde-fr, nop ? [12:46] Any idea why muon during upgrade always freezes? [12:47] apt-get upgrade works fine [12:55] Quintasan: I confirmed the Kickoff thing is a regression from 4.7.1. Also switch to classic kickoff is missing. === yofel_ is now known as yofel === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [13:28] Riddell: yeah [13:31] rekonq needs testing btw: bug 880922 [13:31] Launchpad bug 880922 in rekonq (Ubuntu Oneiric) "SRU tracking bug for rekonq 0.8" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880922 [13:35] ScottK: I see, the bug was reported by someone else I guess? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:35] * Quintasan would like to backport the patch [13:36] Riddell: I'll be coming for sure, forgot to edit [14:17] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 132 * bin/klearppa clean up the options, add an option to use a different source package status than Published and workaround lplib weirdness [14:20] [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 133 * bin/klearppa typo [14:22] <_Groo_> hi/2 [14:22] <_Groo_> all [14:22] o/ _Groo_ [14:23] <_Groo_> yo yofel :D [14:23] <_Groo_> im doing git calligra packages for oneiric as we speak [14:27] txwikinger: hicolor-icon-theme's update trigger script is hanging when gtk-update-icon-cache errors out: https://launchpad.net/bugs/855793 [14:27] Launchpad bug 855793 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu 11.10 beta 1: Error upgrading using muon" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:28] jtechidna: Well. but apt-get does not hang [14:29] dpkg is doing the hanging. muon just seems to expose the bug [14:29] hmm.. I hear you, I am still confused why I never get the problem with apt-get [14:29] too many errors to stderr maybe? [14:30] as I remember the flood of messages when you update that [14:30] or maybe you need a timeout [14:30] apt-get is usually run in a full-blown terminal emulator usually. That might be the difference [14:30] eh, too much usually in that sentence ;-) [14:30] the problem is that inexperienced users use muon and it freezes, they reboot and dpkg is locked [14:30] * yofel usually just uses aptitude :P [14:31] it also seems to be a regression, since the same version of qapt/muon don't exhibit this error in 11.04 [14:32] yes.. I always havee those GdkPixbuf errors on commandline [14:33] Why do we need to run gtk-update-icon-cache in KDE? [14:34] ubuntu is so messed up :( [14:35] Gtk uses an icon cache for its core icon system, and it needs to be updated when the icons change. So if hicolor-icon-theme and a gtk package are both installed the update occurs [14:36] so as long as gtk is installed, the icon cache update is needed for icons to work properly with gtk apps [14:43] Still no reason to have all those errors for several releases now [15:02] godamn [15:02] Kubuntu fails to discover my intergrated ethernet card [15:02] ... [15:03] o.O [15:06] I mean, how the hell it's even possible [15:06] AH !#%@#$@# THIS [16:28] Quintasan, i just generated an arm cross compiler tarball pkg to use with icecc [16:28] :-D [16:28] <3 xcompiling [16:28] * rbelem hugs apachelogger [16:29] apachelogger, i will build the active packages with that [16:30] rbelem: I thought we have a PPA? [16:30] apachelogger, they are really busy [16:30] :'( [16:30] how about we install an open build serivce on the arm farm at ScottK's [16:31] apachelogger, that would be awesum [16:31] :-D [16:37] * rbelem goes for lunch [17:34] uhm. Why does kubuntu-full recommend nvidia-current and fglrx? [17:35] depending on something like bcmwl-kernel-source at least doesn't break anything [17:36] installing the nvidia or ati drivers will at least disable MESA. So if you're using intel you're left without opengl [19:48] yofel: cause it is full of brekage? *shrug* [19:48] why are we shipping breakage? ... [19:48] why do the prop drivers screw with MESA anyway? [19:48] seems rather brain dead to me [19:48] well, nvidia ships it's own libGL, so you somehow need to manage that [19:49] yofel: listen to the oneiric defaults sessoin from last uds [19:49] there is reasons, they are not good IMHO, but they are there [19:49] yofel: ah, right [19:50] yofel: well, that is a pain in the neck right there [19:50] it would totally make sense to have full provide all the rubbish one might or might not need [19:51] however if stuff is mutually exclusive that sort of compromises the use of it all [19:51] well, it's not mutually exclusive.... but you would've to run a few update-alternative switches after installing it for it to work... [19:52] right, so they are effectively mutually exclusive or something :P [19:52] * yofel files a bug and leaves the discussion for UDS [19:53] which reminds me [19:53] rbelem: I submitted the harmattan app to nokia store, see what they have to say about it [19:53] apachelogger, nice :-) [19:54] if it is good I'll try to squeeze symbian in too [19:54] also Quintasan still needs to make the android ui [19:54] or maybe shadeslayer [19:55] apachelogger, could it be the same ui? [19:56] structure wise, yes, for android2 anyway [19:56] android2 also has a page like navigation system inside apps [19:56] BUT we'd need new components for android [19:56] we can't simply copy the harmattan or symbian components unfortunately [19:57] though doing android components (from a non-UI) pov is not too complicated [19:57] copy the page stack impl from harmattan components and you are half way done [19:58] IIRC qtandroid even has screen size and rotation hinting implemented [19:58] derrpt [19:58] * Quintasan wonders how many dollarz should he take [19:59] 200 should be more than enough [19:59] unless you wanna go buy disney swag :P [19:59] Nah, I'll take 300 in case I see some hardware I want [19:59] or some other stuff [19:59] you going to buy a phone or something while in US? [20:00] Quintasan: unlikely you have time to go shopping :P [20:00] apachelogger, i saw an app that was published in android market and nokia store [20:00] anyhow... they have ATMs in the US ;) [20:00] built in qt [20:00] apachelogger, do you know about this app? [20:01] I read about it, but I forgot what it was [20:01] but IIRC it did not have a 'platform' ui but a highly themed artwork based one [20:01] maybe its source would be helpful [20:01] if it is floss ;) [20:01] it is [20:01] let me check the name [20:02] rbelem: You are coming to UDS? [20:02] Quintasan, yup [20:03] rbelem: Great [20:03] Quintasan: yeah, and he will whip your booty hard if you don't get started on the android ui [20:03] I told you I ain't doing it [20:04] Let us have sheytan design something [20:04] how does that help coding? [20:04] plus rbelem has someone already on it [20:04] or so he claimed, I have yet to see results :P [20:04] Problem solved [20:05] i will poke the designers again here [20:05] apachelogger: Would it be possible to port my QTrollface to androidz? [20:06] * apachelogger would poke his designers, but they don't seem to be approachable much ^^ [20:06] WITH the memleak feature of coursse [20:07] Oh well, going to bed [20:08] nini Quintasan [20:27] apachelogger, here is the post http://tamss60.tamoggemon.com/2011/10/11/first-android-meego-symbian-qt-app-released-to-stores/ [20:29] Quintasan: you're still under 21, right? [20:29] Mueheheh [20:31] afiestas, apachelogger, an app that i've been working http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/313313_10150354902107017_529232016_8435036_234663579_n.jpg [20:31] it was presented today night [20:32] in the party of qt dev days [20:32] :-D [20:32] Quintasan, hahaha you cannot drink :-D [20:39] rbelem: ready for our week of hacking in "All sharing stuff" ? [20:39] you better be :p [20:44] afiestas, i'm ready ya ;-) [20:44] :-D [20:44] rbelem: :p [20:45] afiestas, bring it on [20:45] :-D [20:46] street fighters talks [20:46] xd [21:00] rbelem: is jukebox open? :P [21:04] apachelogger, yup [21:04] apachelogger, the source will be released soon :-D [21:04] woohooo [21:04] awesome [21:04] * apachelogger hugs rbelem [21:05] apachelogger, like chicken wranglers [21:05] * apachelogger totally failed when trying to get hold of the n9 browser code :P [21:05] * rbelem hugs back apachelogger [21:05] * apachelogger has a total code fetish [21:06] apachelogger, do you know if they released the code? [21:06] they haven't [21:07] I wasn't even able to find out who would be responsible for that at this point *shrug* === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech