[00:14] <wxl> funny. new kernel's out with an unexpected surprise.. wii remote support
[00:20] <phil42> i screwed up my .conifig/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml file. where can i get a fresh copy?
[00:20] <phil42> .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[00:22] <wxl> phil42: why not load the live cd and just copy from there?
[00:23] <phil42> good idea
[00:23] <phil42> i will do that,  thankyou
[00:24] <Unit193> Or just rename the current one and reboot
[00:24] <wxl> touche
[05:53] <scribus12> is there ubuntu software center in lubuntu?
[05:54] <scribus12> is there ubuntu software center in lubuntu?
[05:55] <bioterror> yes and no
[05:55] <bioterror> for this release Lubuntu Software Centre wasnt ready, but it's going to be included in 12.04
[05:55] <bioterror> and you can install Ubuntu Software Centre if youw ant
[05:55] <bioterror> *you want
[05:56] <bioterror> you can install Lubuntu Software Centre from a PPA
[05:57] <bioterror> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Lubuntu-Software-Center-221531.shtml for example
[05:58] <scribus12> oh. I see.
[05:58] <scribus12> bioterror: I personally don't use it but this is for my parents laptop.
[07:07] <l33_> hi
[07:08] <l33_> omagical when i enter a chan
[07:08] <l33_> oops
[08:31] <john32> hi i installed a fresh copy of lubuntu how can i get my tango term theme from gnome
[08:32] <john32> on another system ages ago lubuntu-desktop was installed after gnome
[08:32] <john32> and it inherited my color schemes from tango
[08:33] <john32> perhaps it's some package i need to install
[08:35] <john32> the most ive been able to find is this post http://blogs.n1zyy.com/andrew/2009/02/02/tango-color-scheme-for-xfce-terminal/
[08:46] <Unit193> john32: I would assume that's a normal GTK theme and could be placed in ~/.themes
[08:46] <john32> mm perhaps where might i find it
[08:47] <john32> currently dont have access to an ubuntu system
[08:47] <john32> but i know in the past when i did install lxde on top of ubuntu
[08:47] <john32> lxterminal inherited the tango theme
[08:49] <Unit193> !info industrialtango-theme
[08:49] <Unit193> WOuld that be it?
[08:49] <john32> ah perhaps
[08:51] <john32> Description:
[08:51] <john32> Industrial Tango GTK theme
[08:51] <john32> The Industrial Tango GTK theme. At the moment the package contains:
[08:51] <john32> * the GTK configuration and
[08:51] <john32> * Metacity configuration for the theme.
[08:51] <john32> perhaps
[08:51] <john32> that i don't think is it though
[08:59] <john32> quit
[09:00] <Unit193> Awww.... Just when I thought human-theme might be it :/
[09:02] <john32> nope still no tango theme in lxterminal hmmm how did i do it that last time
[09:09] <Unit193> Ah, I asked if human-theme was it, and you'd need to change it in lxappearance
[09:10] <john32> ive installed guake that has it :P
[09:10] <john32> but i really would like to be able to copy the schema or whatever to lxterm
[09:11] <john32> Unit193: lxapperance doesn't let you chance lxterminal colors though
[09:14] <LubuntuPowered> so i ran the update for 11.10 and it froze during the update, warned me that it will cause the OS to act silly if i canceled, but i had no choice
[09:15] <LubuntuPowered> now i'm getting all sorts of errors, and the desktop/ graphical interface is looking weird now
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> chris@chris-Millennia-GS:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> Reading package lists... Done
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> Building dependency tree
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> Reading state information... Done
[09:16] <LubuntuPowered> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered>  gtk2-engines-pixbuf : Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.24.6-0ubuntu5) but 2.24.4-0ubuntu2 is installed
[09:17] <john32> hehe update from 11.04 11.10 was not smooth
[09:17] <bioterror> :D
[09:17] <john32> pretty much the reason im using lubuntu right now is because the GNOME3 shell and Unity is unusable
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered>  libgail18 : Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.24.6-0ubuntu5) but 2.24.4-0ubuntu2 is installed
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered>  libpam-modules : PreDepends: libpam-modules-bin (= 1.1.2-2ubuntu8.3) but 1.1.3-2ubuntu2.1 is installed
[09:17] <LubuntuPowered> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[09:18] <john32> it's like using KDE 4.0
[09:18] <john32> lol
[09:18] <john32> it's pretty bad when kubuntu looks more stable than ubuntu.. but i do like where unity is going it just needs to work a bit smoother :)
[09:18] <john32> another issue i had when updating was the network configuration thing
[09:19] <john32> http://kevindubois.com/blog/2011/10/14/solved-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot-upgrade-waiting-for-network-configuration/
[09:19] <john32> LubuntuPowered: maybe aptitude can help resolve your broken dependencies
[09:22] <bioterror> use the F!
[10:49] <Nyashka> hi all!
[10:50] <Nyashka> Enybode here?
[10:50] <Nyashka> dy
[10:50] <bioterror> no
[10:50] <bioterror> no ones here
[10:50] <Nyashka> :( bad
[10:50] <Nyashka> only bots here yes?
[10:51] <Nyashka> who can help?
[10:51] <Nyashka> i have qustion
[10:52] <bioterror> !ask | Nyashka
[10:52] <bioterror> <3
[10:53] <Nyashka> How do I change lxdm on lightdm?
[10:53] <bioterror> is there a real reason for this?
[10:54] <Nyashka> yes
[10:54] <Nyashka> old computer...
[10:54] <emce_PL> but lxdm is also lightweight login manager
[10:54] <Nyashka> for Netbook is also important
[10:54] <bioterror> not good enough
[10:55] <bioterror> and I dont want to instruct you to "fix lightdm" or "rollback to lxdm" ;)
  no very light and he just bad
[10:55] <bioterror> there's a reason why Lubuntu did not use lightdm for this cycle
[10:55] <Myrtti> it's only a login manager
[10:56] <bioterror> you should our dev's vision ;)
[10:56] <bioterror> +trust
[10:56] <bioterror> !lightdm
[10:56] <bioterror> :o
[10:57] <Nyashka> lightdm is nice, lxdm not nice
[10:57] <bioterror> why lxdm is not nice?
[10:57] <Nyashka> lightdm better in all
[10:57] <bioterror> Nyashka, some facts
  google pictures
[10:58] <Nyashka> ...
[10:58] <bioterror> you just type your username and password
[10:58] <bioterror> that's all for what you use it :D
[10:59] <bioterror> and hi to myrtti ;)
 not only
[10:59] <Myrtti> bioterror: ohai
[11:00] <Nyashka> PLEASE, TELL WORKING HOWTO!
[11:00] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lightdm
[11:00] <Myrtti> no reason to get abusive with caps
[11:00] <bioterror> next!
[11:00] <Nyashka> HERE IS COMPETENT SPECIALIST?
[11:01] <Myrtti> please push your CAPS LOCK key off
[11:01] <Nyashka> sudo apt-get install lightdm - first step, and second - ?
[11:02] <Nyashka> how add in config?
[11:02] <bioterror> Nyashka, really, I'm not going to wipe too
[11:02] <Nyashka> i need add it in config
[11:02] <Myrtti> Nyashka: installing software is easy, if you had done teeniest bit of research you would have found out how stuff is installed
[11:03] <Nyashka> http://www.lubuntu.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2663#p2663
[11:03] <Myrtti> Nyashka: please don't expect people to spoonfeed you, have some initiative and responsibility yourself - since you want to take some by installing non-default dm
[11:04] <Nyashka> in the new lxde will not lxdm
[11:05] <Nyashka> in future
[11:05] <bioterror> Future is not present
[11:06] <Nyashka> i have now please
[11:06] <Nyashka> want
[11:06] <bioterror> go with the flow and enjoy the moment you're living right now. and let the dev's handle migration from LXDM to LightDM in Lubuntu
[11:06] <Nyashka> have > want
[11:07] <Nyashka> ok and how add in config?
[11:08] <Nyashka> ?
[11:08] <Nyashka> :(
[11:08] <Nyashka> ok maybe me answer on ubuntu channel
[11:08] <Nyashka> bb all here!
[11:34] <emce_PL> hey guys - I searched for solution, but nobody could help me - maybe now
[11:34] <emce_PL> I use normal root account (su root) with changed root password, and after first login on root account after trying to reboot or halt system there is a prompt about password, which dissapear after few second
[11:34] <emce_PL> I use root account only in console
[12:21] <Goliat> Hello. I'm thinking about changing to Lubuntu but i was wondering how it well it works with software like dropbox?
[12:23] <Goliat> I also have an ATI graphics card. I know about the issues with ATI drivers in Gnome, How is it with drivers in Lubuntu?
[12:24] <bioterror> kernels and drivers are all the same
[12:24] <bioterror> lubuntu is just LXDE Components on top of the Openbox windowmanager
[12:24] <emce_PL> Dropbox works perfect in Lubuntu
[12:24] <KM0201> Goliat: i use dropbox with Lubuntu, works fine
[12:24] <bioterror> as Gnome is metacity or something + gnome stuff ;)
[12:25] <bioterror> with dropbox you just need to make it autostart
[12:25] <bioterror> and that's all?
[12:25] <KM0201> bioterror: pretty much.
[12:26] <Goliat> bioterror: So installing the fglrx will work fine?
[12:26] <KM0201> if the drivers work in Ubuntu, they will work fine in Lubuntu
[12:27] <KM0201> i use Dual Screens on my Nvidia card, just like I use Dual screens in Ubuntu.... Activate Nvidia driver, setup twinview.
[12:27] <Goliat> KM0201: Nice, Did you use the ubuntu install for dropbox?
[12:27] <KM0201> Goliat: of course
[12:28] <KM0201> Goliat: what other package would i use?
[12:28] <KM0201> Goliat: LXDE and Unity, are just window dressing, under the hood, it's the same OS.
[12:28] <emce_PL> You can use Ubuntu One instead of dropbox or with dropbox
[12:29] <stlsaint> Goliat: packaging is exactly the same as with ubuntu for .bin .deb etc
[12:29] <KM0201> emce_PL: not really sure what that has to do w/ anything, but.. ok
[12:29] <Goliat> KM0201: I don't know, But when i installed dropbox on fedora with xfce it was a bit awkward to get it working, Was worried it could be the same in Lubuntu
[12:30] <emce_PL> Ubuntu One is storage service dedicated for Ubuntu
[12:30] <KM0201> Goliat: dunno about the fedora packaging (although it should have been just fine).. all i can tell you, is i installed it the exact same way on Lubuntu, as I did on Ubuntu... Download .deb, install deb.
[12:30] <KM0201> emce_PL: so?
[12:30] <KM0201> still has nothing to do w/ dropbox, which is the question at hand.
[12:30] <emce_PL> if You use DropBox, you can use UbuntuOne also
[12:30] <KM0201> Goliat: only difference is as bioterror pointed out, once its installed, you'll have to set it to autostart.
[12:31] <KM0201> emce_PL: i understand that... but. i don't understand why you're bringing up UbuntuOne.. it doesn't integrate any better/worse than Dropbox.
[12:31] <KM0201> he asked about dropbox, not ubuntu one
[12:31] <Goliat> KM0201: Ok, Do most of the software for Ubuntu work on Lubuntu because they are so close?
[12:31] <KM0201> Goliat: they all do
[12:32] <KM0201> again, LXDE(Lubuntu) is simply window dressing.. if you install the app, and any dependant libraries.... if it works on Ubuntu/Unity, or Kubuntu, or whatever, it will work on Lubuntu
[12:33] <stlsaint> Goliat: im not sure your understanding what everyone is saying....ubunut and (L)ubuntu are the same base OS (wiht a few tweaks) minus the Desktop environment.
[12:33] <JohnDoe_71Rus> there i can find running program with icons in tray. 10.04 system
[12:34] <KM0201> JohnDoe_71Rus: if the program has a system try icon, just make sure system tray is in your panel, and you'll see the icons
[12:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i have space between icons. i want find what this
[12:36] <KM0201> what happens if you click the space?
[12:36] <JohnDoe_71Rus> nothing
[12:38] <Goliat> stlsaint: Yeah im not the best with linux distributions. I was unsure if its ok to say they are the same Os. But ive had the idea that the different desktop environments make's it well hard to run a program such as dropbox,
[12:39] <KM0201> Goliat: *sometimes*.. but 99% of the time, apps integrate into any desktop environment pretty well... as for dropbox, trust me on that one, it'll work just fine
[12:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://postimage.org/image/rkk1e3ew5/
[12:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> nm-applet, volti, space, caffeine...
[12:40] <Goliat> KM0201: Okay. It sounds much better than fedora then :P
[12:41] <KM0201> Goliat: Fedora is a fine release.. but Fedora is typically gonna be a bit better for an experienced linux user. also, apples to oranges, Fedora is RH based, Ubuntu is Debian based
[12:42] <KM0201> JohnDoe_71Rus: i dunno, that does look weird..  http://imagebin.org/180683
[12:43] <JohnDoe_71Rus> dunno == does not?
[12:43] <Goliat> KM0201: Yeah that's definitely true, Xfce with fedora is a challange. Do you mean .rpm when you say RH?
[12:43] <KM0201> JohnDoe_71Rus: yes
[12:44] <KM0201> Goliat: yes
[12:44] <JohnDoe_71Rus> it start after caffeine install. but in ubuntu with caffeine icons fine
[12:45] <KM0201> Goliat: just install Lubuntu, and come back here w/ any questions you have, i'll be around quite a while... other than the ATI driver (i never use ATI) I can probably help you w/ most stuff if you need it.
[12:47] <Goliat> KM0201: Thank you for the help. It will probably go smooth since i used ubuntu some time ago. I'm sure it will go well with Lubuntu when i install it. :)
[12:47] <KM0201> good luck
[12:49] <Goliat> Thanks for all the help guys. Bye!
[12:54] <fivefivesix> hmm this is odd im not getting any sound through firefox or what not i am from my other machine though via line in
[12:54] <fivefivesix> and it was working before
[12:55] <fivefivesix> and ive checked alsamixer
[12:56] <KM0201> fivefivesix: i have a lot of problems w/ alsa... i usually install pulseaudio and pavucontrol -- make adjustments as necessary, and everythign works fine
[12:56] <fivefivesix> pulseaudio is installed by default
[12:56] <KM0201> no its not
[12:56] <fivefivesix> i know it was working like an hour ago
[12:56] <KM0201> sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[12:57] <KM0201> then install pavucontrol
[12:57] <fivefivesix> yeah i just needed pavucontrol ill see what that can do
[12:58] <fivefivesix> i can see the bar moving in output devices in pavucontrol
[12:59] <fivefivesix> ahh so annoying
[13:00] <fivefivesix> i bet it fucked up when i installed amarok
[13:01] <fivefivesix> okay this has really stumped me
[13:01] <fivefivesix> everything seems to be alright
[13:01] <leszek> hi
[13:01] <fivefivesix> its like the sound is being directed to the wrong device
[13:01] <fivefivesix> or something
[13:02] <fivefivesix> okay that's very weird i went into Configuration
[13:02] <fivefivesix> and changed the profile
[13:03] <fivefivesix> from Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output
[13:03] <fivefivesix> to something else
[13:03] <fivefivesix> and then back again
[13:22] <brother-> (y)
[13:22] <brother-> oh
[13:47] <BenPA> hi all ... I am trying to remove this entry from my $PATH ... /usr/bin/sbin/ ... issue is that this entry has an extra slash after sbin .. any ideas?
[14:05] <BenPA> hi all ... I am trying to remove this entry from my $PATH in Lubuntu 11.10 ... /usr/bin/sbin/ ... issue is that this entry has an extra slash after sbin .. any ideas?
[14:20] <BenPA> hi all ... I am trying to remove this entry from my $PATH in Lubuntu 11.10 ... /usr/bin/sbin/ ... issue is that this entry has an extra slash after sbin .. any ideas?
[14:49] <BenPA> hi all ... I am trying to remove this entry from my $PATH in Lubuntu 11.10 ... /usr/bin/sbin/ ... issue is that this entry has an extra slash after sbin .. any ideas?
[14:52] <leszek> where is the op to kickban BenPA ?
[14:55] <Myrtti> why would he be kicked?
[14:57] <BenPA> not sure what you mean leszek
[14:58] <leszek> because he spams the channel ?
[14:58] <BenPA> sorry I am not spamming
[14:59] <leszek> in half an hour you asked the same question over and over again
[14:59] <BenPA> or if I am I am sorry
[14:59] <Myrtti> you both need to be patient :-)
[14:59] <BenPA> ok I will
[15:00] <leszek> in other channels you would be kicked by now :P
[15:00] <Myrtti> depends on what you mean by other channels ;-)
[15:00] <leszek> #ubuntu
[15:00] <leszek> :P
[15:00] <Myrtti> no, not really
[15:01] <Myrtti> anyway that meta discussion belongs elsewhere
[15:01] <BenPA> just trying to solve a problem to make things better for others ... meant no harm
[15:01] <Tm_T> BenPA: no problem
[15:02] <Tm_T> leszek: for future, just ask nicely people to be patient, no point asking kick if there hasn't been any guidance beforehand
[15:13] <bioterror> Tm_T, sometimes people just thinks that IRC works like Ikea's "ask from our employer" chat ;)
[15:14] <Tm_T> never tried that
[15:14] <BenPA> bioterror ... I don't think that way
[15:14] <bioterror> BenPA, that path should be /etc/profile
[15:14] <bioterror> unless you have a .bashrc or something of your own which add a path
[15:16] <BenPA> bioterror ... there is a bashrc but what harm would there be to add /etc/profile .. I am willing to try anything at this point ... I've been trying to solve this issue for about 2 weeks now
[15:17] <bioterror> check your /etc/profile
[15:17] <bioterror> I have there:
[15:17] <bioterror> if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then
[15:17] <bioterror>   PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"
[15:17] <bioterror> else
[15:17] <bioterror>   PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games"
[15:17] <bioterror> fi
[15:17] <bioterror> (sorry for not pastebin ;)
[15:17] <Myrtti> shame on you ;-)
[15:17] <bioterror> Dr. Sbaitso! ;)
[15:19] <BenPA> bioterror ... I do not see any reference to PATH in that file
[15:19] <bioterror> is that so?
[15:20] <bioterror> I really dont have lubuntu machine near me, but I can boot from stick
[15:20] <bioterror> :D
[15:20] <bioterror> if only I know where I put my stick
[15:21] <BenPA> bioterror ... ultimately, I am trying to create a custome stick but remastersys disappeared on me
[15:23] <leszek> re
[15:26] <bioterror> BenPA, got it! /etc/login.defs
[15:26] <bioterror> that's where those path's are defined
[15:30] <BenPA> bioterror ... ok hold a sec
[15:34] <BenPA> bioterror ... ok, here is my issue ... I searched launchpad for any previous issue on the subject of Lubuntu not doing a shutdown/reboot/logout from the menu buttons ... where might those be defined in there ... I can do init 0 or shutdown -h or -r now from the consold but menu buttons don't work ... it was suggested to reinstall because I was using 11.04 but I upgraded to 11.10 and the problem still remains
[15:35] <bioterror> I think those are done with consolekit
[15:37] <bioterror> I really cant understand why they wont work
[15:37] <BenPA> I installed kde desktop on top of lubuntu and I had an issue of the kde plasma option not starting until I changed from lxde to kdm ... everything else works great and the speed is great but it just won't shutdown/reboot/logout
[15:38] <BenPA> well . that is two of us
[15:40] <bioterror> did it work before KDM?
[15:45] <BenPA> on 11.04 no
[15:46] <bioterror> I've never encountered that kind of problem
[15:51] <BenPA> well, I am not the only one ... it has been going on for a while per the launchpad info I found
[16:18] <xxb> has anyone else found the icons for Desktop and the home Dir do not show in PCManFM
[16:18] <xxb> for me they're showing up as just normal folders
[16:18] <xxb> in the side menu not as like their special icon that they appear in go
[16:18] <xxb> they did in natty
[16:21] <usertwo> how do i change the wallpaper to black solid colour on the desktop?
[16:24] <Neosano> !logs
[16:26] <Neosano> usertwo, wallpaper mode: Fill with background color only
[16:27] <Neosano> usertwo, that's in desktop preferences (right click on the desktop)
[16:28] <xxb> usertwo: right click on the desktop
[16:28] <usertwo> Neosano: when i right click on desktop i dont get desktop prefernces. only terminal emulator and web browser
[16:28] <usertwo> obconf?
[16:29] <usertwo> reconfigure?
[16:29] <Neosano> huh?
[16:30] <usertwo> i cant add a  new folder to the desktop. something is wrong in the configuration.
[16:30] <bioterror> cd ~/Desktop
[16:30] <bioterror> mkdir test
[16:30] <bioterror> and does it appear?
[16:32] <usertwo> it looks like the old style unix dialog box. i had the menu you are referring to for about 5 minutes and then it 'switched' to this one. i must have changed something on the settings
[16:33] <usertwo> i did remove all extra desktops. i am only using 1 for now
[16:33] <xxb> ah interesting my icon issue went away :)
[16:33] <xxb> xdg-user-dirs-update must have fixed it
[16:33] <Neosano> aha
[16:34] <Neosano> he checked the box
[16:34] <xxb> which box?
[16:34] <Neosano> in desktop preferences, second tab
[16:34] <Neosano> show menus provided by window managers
[16:34] <Neosano> now I checked it too, can't get it back :D
[16:34] <xxb> well i wont check it lol
[16:34] <xxb> otherwise i wont be able to get it back
[16:34] <xxb> actually you can probably open it from the commandline
[16:34] <xxb> to get it back
[16:37] <Neosano> how? :D
[16:37] <Neosano> http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5724/201110251935491280x800s.png
[16:37] <Neosano> this is the menu we see
[16:38] <Neosano> in previous versions of lubuntu ( if I remember correctly ) after checking this box I was able to see both menus
[16:38] <usertwo> Neosano: thats what i thought i was when i checked it
[16:39] <Neosano> so.. any ideas how to get the goddamn menu back?
[16:41] <usertwo> Neosano: i thought if there was an option to check the box...there would be an option to uncheck the box!
[16:41] <Neosano> yeah, but to uncheck the box I need the menu :<
[16:42] <Neosano> oh lemme reboot..
[16:42] <usertwo> Neosano: that wont help
[16:42] <Neosano> I know.. but I clicked "exit" option
[16:43] <Neosano> :D
[16:45] <Neosano> soo..
[17:33] <usertwo> Neosano: any luck getting the desktop menu back?
[17:33] <Neosano> no
[17:33] <Neosano> :(
[17:34] <usertwo> Neosano: oopss..sorry if i made you break your desktop...you were only trying to help
[17:34] <Neosano> ha-ha :D no problem
[17:34] <Neosano> bioterror, any way to solve our problem?
[17:45] <usertwo> Neosano: as with ubuntu..there is always a cl solution..i just need to find it!
[17:47] <Neosano> there's must be a config file somewhere -o-
[17:49] <l33_> starting compiz often brings the desktop back here :)
[17:55] <wxl> l33_: funny, initially i think that compiz is incompatible with the goals of lubuntu but upon further reflection it seems that on some systems lubuntu may be the key to making compiz possible!
[17:59] <l33_> hi wxl ;)
[17:59] <l33_> compiz running fine here
[17:59] <l33_> without any notable cpu load
[18:00] <wxl> unfortunately my issue is i don't think i could get the 3d working well with my stupid nvidia/powerpc setup
[18:01] <KM0201> wxl: no powerpc nvidia driver?
[18:02] <wxl> well the nv driver ain't all that
[18:02] <wxl> nouveau works better
[18:02] <wxl> still not ideal
[18:03] <wxl> in other gripes i wish that the lubuntu mailing list had a home outside of launchpad because that public archive is darn slow to update
[18:03] <wxl> i sent two posts and didn't get replies and i'm thinking the issue may be how i sent them (via another address but with the identity i'm subscribed under) although i got no bounces or anything
[18:05] <KM0201> wxl: weird, i use the Nvidia drier flawlessly
[18:06] <wxl> ppc tho KM0201 ?
[18:06] <KM0201> no... sorry, i keep forgetting that.
[18:06] <KM0201> lol
[18:06] <wxl> :)
[18:06] <wxl> i resized my partition last night and loaded debian on there
[18:07] <wxl> i'm going to see if an "officially supported" install doesn't work better
[18:07] <wxl> i am remiss to deviate from lubutnu because i appreciate it's ease of use but at least i still got lxde
[18:08] <wxl> and perhaps having the comparison will help work out some lubuntu ppc bugs
[18:12] <wxl> i'm convinced, for example, there are issues with processor usage
[18:13] <wxl> i had to get out icepacks just to keep the thing from shutting down when making a patched network-manager
[18:13] <wxl> runs way too hot
[18:26] <panfist> hi, i have a current ubuntu 10.10 installed on lvm, and i'd like to install lubuntu 11.10 side-by-side with that,
[18:26] <panfist> however i'm in the lubuntu installer and it doesn't seem to recognize the lvm stuff, i just shows a large unknown partition
[18:28] <panfist> is it possible to install lubuntu into an existing lvm volume group?
[18:30] <wxl> well that's poopy
[18:31]  * wxl has little experience with lvm
[18:31] <wxl> you're using the graphical installer?
[18:32] <panfist> yes
[18:33] <wxl> you MIGHT try the alternate installter
[18:33] <panfist> well, i kept reading about how lvm makes everything more awesome but it has caused me nothing by problems
[18:33] <wxl> hahahah
[18:33] <wxl> i hear unity's supposed to be awesome too
[18:33] <wxl> OH SNAP
[18:33] <wxl> ;)
[18:33] <panfist> oh my god unity
[18:34] <panfist> that's why i was still on ubuntu 10.10
[18:35] <panfist> i'm currently resizing the ext4 partition that's within my lvm volume group, that's almost done. when it finishes i will reboot and try the alternate installer
[18:35] <wxl> hehehe
[18:35] <wxl> yeah i can't make promises but you might get lucky
[18:37]  * wxl now realizes what LVM is
[18:38]  * wxl is still skeptical of software RAID
[18:38] <panfist> hmm it seems like after i manually activated the lvm group on command line, and refreshed that screen in the graphical installer it does see something, but i'll have to wait until the parition resize is complete before i'll know if i can do anything
[18:38] <panfist> software raid and lvm don't have very much to do with each other, but i have to say that the mdadm software raid package is most excellent
[18:38] <wxl> seems somewhat similar but i guess i'm clueless :D
[18:39] <panfist> you can use mdadm and do all kinds of software raid without touching lvm, and i have for the last several years
[18:40] <panfist> the performance is great, it's very stable, the maintainer is active on the mailing lists
[18:41] <panfist> hands down better than motherboard raid, but if real hardware raid is available then that's usually much better than mdadm
[18:41] <wxl> i need to get over my skepticism
[18:42] <panfist> i was in the process of simultaneously adding disks to a raid array and changing levels from 5 to 6, had a power outage, and when i rebooted it just happily resumed...nothing was lost
[18:44] <wxl> phew
[18:44] <wxl> i was in the process of backing up a bunch of data when my drives failed on me
[18:44] <wxl> sadly dd offered no help :'(
[18:45] <panfist> i hate to be that guy that has to top your story, but later on i had some problems with that same raid array...
[18:45] <wxl> oh?
[18:45] <panfist> i shut down the server to upgrade the nic, and when i booted it back up, four out of six drives were missing.
[18:45] <panfist> it turns out that they just completely died
[18:45] <wxl> DOH
[18:46] <panfist> four simultaneous hard drive failures...probably the most unlikely thing that's ever happened in my life
[18:46] <panfist> they were from three different batches too...the first thing everyone thinks is that i bought them all at once
[18:46] <wxl> heh
[18:47] <wxl> i've learned to hate certain manufacturers..
[18:47] <panfist> obviously it had to be some problem with the system, but i never found what it was, everything seemed fine but i never reused any of that hardware anyway
[18:47] <panfist> they werent seagate drives if that's who you're thinking
[18:47] <panfist> western digitals
[18:47] <wxl> EXACTLY :)
[18:47] <panfist> i got burned on the seagate 1tb drives when those first came out
[18:52] <usertwo> anyone know how to modify config file for pcmanfm
[18:52] <leszek> usertwo: it depends what you want to configure ?
[18:52] <wxl> not much to modify.. what do you want to do usertwo ?
[18:54] <usertwo> i inadvertently checked the option 'let window manager control options'...and now when i right click on desktop i get terminal emulator, web browser....notthe usual 'create new folder'. i want to get the original menu back
[18:54] <usertwo> i have tried modifying the config file but it keeps 'resetting' to the same options
[18:55] <leszek> usertwo: under [desktop] set show_wm_menu=0
[18:56] <usertwo> leszek: i tried that..saved it..but no change..do i need to reboot or just logout/login
[18:57] <usertwo> leszek: i have also just completely reinstalled pcmanfm but the menu=1 persists
[18:57] <leszek> relogin should work
[18:57] <usertwo> let me try again
[19:02] <usertwo> i just deleted the whole line show_wm_menu=1 from pcmanfm.config, saved and rebooted, and its back!
[19:02] <usertwo> there must be a bug..a check box should be able to be unchecked
[19:07] <panfist> i'm using the graphical installer and chose to download updates while installing...the mirror it picked is horribly slow. i'm downloading at 30KB/s, 10 of 57 packages done so far and i don't even know how large the remaining packages are
[19:07] <panfist> i'm assuming at this point there is nothing i can do about it...?
[19:09] <wxl> well that's weird
[19:09] <wxl> but unless you want to start over, uh, no
[19:09] <wxl> but it should (if i remember correctly) be using closest mirror
[19:09] <wxl> you in the us?
[19:09] <panfist> yes, east coast, nj to be exact
[19:10] <panfist> hmm i don't know if it switched mirrors or the speed kicked up, because it's much faster now
[19:10] <panfist> actually it's done now
[19:10] <wxl> well nevermind
[19:10] <wxl> might have switched mirrors
[19:10] <wxl> i don't remember if it's the case with ubuntu but i know with debian it defaults to a sort of cluster of mirrors in the us, all based out of one address
[19:10] <wxl> so the idea of switching between mirrors in that cluster is not odd
[19:12] <wxl> best bet looks like argonne natl lab right now
[19:12] <wxl> my old stand by (osu open source lab-- as i'm less than an hour away from it) is running at 1/5th the speed and is one day behind
[19:38] <morri> hi anybiody here?
[19:38] <wxl> yep
[19:38] <morri> good. opened synaptic and this came uo :
[19:39] <morri> wait
[19:39] <morri> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[19:39] <morri> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[19:39] <morri> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[19:39] <morri> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[19:39] <wxl> hold, phone
[19:39] <morri> think it maybe problem since the klast update but recently it still worked
[19:41] <wxl> wow that's fun
[19:42] <morri> have totell i am on my wubi which still has 11.04 btw
[19:42] <bioterror> morri, what if you open terminal and: sudo apt-get update
[19:42] <KM0201> yea
[19:43] <morri> Reading package lists... Error!
[19:43] <morri> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[19:43] <morri> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages
[19:43] <morri> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[19:44] <morri> no idea where it comes from all of a sardine
[19:44] <bioterror> morri
[19:44] <morri> yes
[19:44] <bioterror> sudo rm -vf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[19:44] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update
[19:44] <wxl> yeah that's kind of what i was thinking
[19:44] <morri> thats removing something isnt it?
[19:45] <bioterror> yes
[19:45] <panfist> i was doing an inline upgrade with a previous 10.10 version of ubuntu, and the graphical installer said that some previously selected packages failed to restore to the new install
[19:45] <bioterror> you have something corrupted there
[19:45] <panfist> it didn't say which ones...is there a log of that anywhere?
[19:45] <morri> i havent upgraded this one yet..
[19:45] <wxl> panfist: yeah hold on i gotta remember where
[19:46] <morri> because being this wubi it is always a bit more jittery about stuff
[19:46] <morri> how do i call up logs again?
[19:46] <bioterror> morri, isnt it time to move to a real installation? :)
[19:46] <morri> i have got a real one on my pc
[19:46] <wxl> panfist: try /var/log/dpkg.log
[19:46] <morri> thisd ois my laptop and its cd drive istn working anymore
[19:47] <KM0201> morri: can it boot USB?
[19:47] <morri> not sure but if it can i havent got a big usb  :p
[19:47] <wxl> net install!
[19:47] <wxl> you can make the pc the server :D
[19:48] <morri> net install is pretty complicated isnt it?
[19:48] <panfist> wxl everything there looked successful. extremely long file, though. scanning for keywords like "fail" or "error" didn't turn up anything useful
[19:48] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[19:48] <wxl> it's pretty complicated, yes
[19:48] <panfist> oh well, it's not that important, i'll figure it out as i go along. thanks for the help
[19:48] <wxl> but so is trying to put lipstick on a pig :D
[19:48] <morri> haha
[19:48] <morri>  not a farmer either :p
[19:48] <wxl> panfist: you could also try /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:49] <wxl> hahahah
[19:49] <panfist> hmm it looks like it only failed on irssi because i installed irssi in the live environment
[19:49] <panfist> well, presumably because i installed irssi in the live environment
[19:50] <wxl> there you go
[19:50] <wxl> you can always fix it if need be
[19:50] <panfist> actually, i interpreted that wrong because the timestamps on these log files are from before i started the installation,
[19:51] <panfist> so i had some minor error installing irssi in the live environment, and there's nothing in here about the actions done by the installer
[19:51] <panfist> oh well, like i said i'll figure it out while i'm using it. at the first chance i get i'm re-installing from scratch and ditching LVM anyway
[19:51] <panfist> once again, thanks for all the help
[19:51] <wxl> hah
[19:51] <wxl> i thought lvm was all that and a bag of chips :D
[19:52] <panfist> i think mdadm is really great, lvm not so much
[19:52] <panfist> cheers
[19:52] <morri> what exactly am i removing by the listrs?
[19:59] <morri> okay whatever was corrupted it works now again
[19:59] <morri> thanks
[20:04] <Satta_> hello
[20:04] <wxl> yo
[20:04] <Satta_> Im new to Lubuntu and I need some help
[20:04] <wxl> with what?
[20:04] <KM0201> duh, with lubuntu
[20:04] <KM0201> ;)
[20:05]  * wxl slaps KM0201 
[20:05] <Satta_> i wanto to browse into a windows filesystem
[20:05] <bioterror> that funny sparrow in the left bottom corner is a "start" menu ;)
[20:05] <KM0201> bioterror: :)
[20:05] <wxl> Satta_: open file manager and use URI like smb://server/share
[20:05] <Satta_> I do this in xubuntu with Gigolo
[20:05] <bioterror> open file manager and type: smb://ip.add.re.ss/ after pressing ctrl+l ;)
[20:05] <Satta_> ok then i must install samba
[20:05] <bioterror> wxl was fastah
[20:05] <wxl> Satta_: no
[20:06]  * wxl ftw
[20:06] <bioterror> you need samba only for sharing
[20:06] <bioterror> and sharing is caring!
[20:06] <KM0201> Satta_: are you wanting to access a windows filesystem that is on the same machien (ie, a dual boot system ) or  is it another machine on the network?
[20:07] <KM0201> that seemed to be the logical second question... :)
[20:07] <Satta_> In the same network
[20:07] <Satta_> yes I doit now
[20:07] <KM0201> Satta_: ok, smb://ipaddress
[20:07] <Satta_> thank's guys you rock!!!
[20:07] <wxl> np
[20:07] <bioterror> if you have configure your network properly, smb://hostname/share/ ;)
[20:07] <bioterror> +d
[20:08] <KM0201> wxl or bioterror have you guys messed w/ OpenVaultMedia yet? (don't know if you guys have home NAS's.. but it's slick)
[20:08] <Satta_> yes I'm testing lubuntu in virtualbox
[20:08] <wxl> KM0201: no still need to build my NAS
[20:08] <Satta_> but I always use tools for browse folder
[20:08] <bioterror> KM0201, my desktop computer is my NAS
[20:09] <Unit193> ^^
[20:09] <KM0201> wxl: i don't know if you jsut plan on using a server OS, like ubuntu server, or maybe if you were gonna use Freenas... if you were considering FreeNAs, take a look at openmediavault (#openmediavault) it's based on Debian
[20:09] <Satta_> thank's again wxl
[20:09] <wxl> thanks for the advice KM0201
[20:09] <wxl> np Satta_
[20:10] <KM0201> bioterror: well thats a good way to do things iguess, i just like stuff stored elsewhere, plus, w/ several PC's/laptops in the family, its nice having a NAS
[20:10] <bioterror> FreeNAS could be a nice solution
[20:10] <bioterror> if you have a atom board or something for spare
[20:10] <KM0201> bioterror: freenas WAS a nice solution, until ixsystems took it over.
[20:10] <KM0201> now, it' s like a rolling beta
[20:11] <wxl> unix should not be a beta
[20:11] <KM0201> OVM was started by one of  the original developer of FreeNas...
[20:11] <bioterror> chromium said freenas.org is possible phishing site
[20:11] <wxl> ..but that's for offtopic.. :D
[20:11] <KM0201> bioterror: yeah, its been doing that, they're up in arms at #freenas about it, trying to get it resolved
[20:11] <wxl> i like unix but i think i'm kind of over it
[20:11] <KM0201> its safe though
[20:13]  * wxl DOES have a lot of respect for NetBSD tho (of course it runs NetBSD!)
[20:14] <KM0201> wxl: well, for me, part o the appeal of OVM, is that it's based on debian, which i'm much more familiar w/, as opposed to Freenas/BSD
[20:15] <wxl> i spent a long time messing with unix so it is not unfamiliar to me but there's a lot more support, i feel, with linux, and frankly i think there's a lot of infastructure that's just more intuitive
[20:15] <wxl> also unix tends to be extremely secure and stable but at the cost of limiting newer features/options/drivers/advances/etc.
[20:16] <wxl> in the end, i don't see that as a boon. thought i did once, but nope.
[20:16] <KM0201> yeah
[20:16] <KM0201> off the subject.. but.. how do you reconfigure your source list from command line?
[20:17] <KM0201> like choose a different server for it to check for the index of files
[20:17] <wxl> echo deb | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:17] <wxl> where deb is what you want to add
[20:17] <KM0201> no...
[20:17] <KM0201> thats not what i want
[20:17] <wxl> ok
[20:17] <wxl> acting too quick here :D
[20:17] <wxl> when you say choose, are you saying you want to be presented with a list?
[20:18] <KM0201> no, like for example
[20:18] <wxl> or are you saying you know the server you want to use?
[20:18] <wxl> e.g. change ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu to somewhereelse.localserver.com/ubuntu ?
[20:18] <KM0201> lets say in my repository listing.. i'm using "lug.mtu.edu".. and i want to change to "ftp.usf.edu"  how would i change that for my entire source list from command line
[20:19] <wxl> oh that's where sed is your friend
[20:19] <wxl> of course for you easiest way is nano
[20:19] <KM0201> no, cuz then you' have to retype all that stuff
[20:19] <wxl> well with nano it's like this:
[20:19] <wxl> 1. sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:20] <wxl> 2. Ctrl-\
[20:20] <wxl> 3. type lug.mtu.edu
[20:20] <wxl> 4. type ftp.usf.edu
[20:20] <wxl> 5. A
[20:20] <wxl> (for all)
[20:20] <wxl> done
[20:20] <KM0201> i see
[20:20] <wxl> well save and exit and all
[20:20] <wxl> you could use a one liner with sed tho
[20:20] <KM0201> i just thought maybe there was like a "dpkg-reconfigure sources.list
[20:21] <wxl> oh mayhap
[20:21] <wxl> but it's possible you have different mirrors set up for different things
[20:21] <wxl> e.g. security, backports could come from different places
[20:21] <KM0201> hmm
[20:22] <wxl> i know i have more than one server at use in my sources.list
[20:22] <wxl> so if such a command existed, it would be doing a find/replace anyways
[20:22] <wxl> at which point i might as well just use an editor of some kind
[20:23] <KM0201> hmm, i guess
[20:24] <wxl> here's a sed solution: sudo sed -i "s/archive.ubuntu.com/some.other.host.com/g" /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:24] <wxl> one line does it all
[20:24] <wxl> i'd backup sources.list just in case but that should work
[20:25] <wxl> despite loving the command line i still struggle with regex which sed uses
[20:26] <wxl> it works
[20:28] <harryc3> Can anyone answer a question?
[20:28] <wxl> yes
[20:28] <wxl> i just did in fact
[20:28] <harryc3> ha ha thank you.
[20:28] <wxl> you're welcome
[20:28] <wxl> have a nice day :D
[20:30] <wxl> just kidding harryc3
[20:30] <wxl> you can speak freely
[20:30] <wxl> (hopefully)
[20:31] <harryc3> I just bought an hp pavilion amd 64bit computer and cannot get lubuntu, either 64bit or 32 bit to install. At the end of the wubi work, a message appears: "An error occured: Permission denied and then refers me to a log entry for more info, which I cannot find. Any ideas?
[20:33] <morri> by the way is there a thing that newer computer don't like lubuntu?
[20:34] <harryc3> This HP doesn't like lubuntu.
[20:35] <wxl> wubi right
[20:35] <wxl> what is the log entry?
[20:35] <wxl> like what is the reference?
[20:35] <wxl> morri you know you're a silly gander, right?
[20:35] <morri> why?
[20:36] <wxl> ok, nevermind, you're right, newer computers are installed with a special anti-lubuntu chip.
[20:36] <morri> I oncwe tried to boot a lubuntu cd on both a new laptop and another newer laptop and it never booted .
[20:36] <morri> :P
[20:36] <wxl> perhaps bad cd?
[20:37] <wxl> i've had no such issues on this end
[20:37] <morri> used the same on my old pc
[20:37] <morri> i think it may be a graphical issue because that where it fails it fails to go onto the spalsh scvreen
[20:38] <wxl> could be but saying it just doesn't work because it's new is not causation but correlation and likely unrelated
[20:39] <wxl> there ARE sometimes bugs, too
[20:39] <wxl> which only affect certain systems
[20:39] <morri> i am afraid I don't want to try it on a even newer one because it might not work..
[20:39] <wxl> but if you poll a bunch of newer computers, you might not see the problem again
[20:39] <wxl> and in just the same sense a bunch of older computers might have problems where the two you have don't
[20:39] <morri> just because i dlike to see how fast i t would be ^^
[20:40] <wxl> in conclusion, you're a silly gander :D
[20:40] <wxl> meanwhile you still with us harryc3 ?
[20:40] <morri> by the way everytime oi start my pc, it goes into a switch off screen mode(or out of range before the spash screen with the login come on
[20:40] <harryc3> yep
[20:40] <wxl> so what was the log reference?
[20:41] <harryc3> about to ask if there is another way to boot?
[20:41] <wxl> do you have the exact wording?
[20:41] <morri> i am just curious :p
[20:42] <wxl> morri: i put money down on that being a driver issue
[20:42] <morri> yeah must be one exlcusive to lubuntu because there wasnt a problem loading up all the other buntus on the cd
[20:44] <wxl> might be. have you already looked for appropriate drivers? lspci | grep VGA
[20:45] <wxl> wtf wubi uses torrent? does synaptic too????
[20:45] <harryc3> chat crashed
[20:45] <wxl> so'k harryc3
[20:46] <harryc3> bad day
[20:46] <wxl> it's all good
[20:46] <wxl> i just found out wubi uses torrent
[20:46] <wxl> that may be part of the problem
[20:46] <wxl> your firewall(s) may be blocking
[20:46] <wxl> and that log file is likely there but it's hidden so you won't see it in explorer
[20:46] <wxl> navigate it through command prompt and you'll find it
[20:47] <harryc3> hang on
[20:47] <wxl> if you find it, throw it up on pastebin and we'll check it out
[20:47] <wxl> in any case i betcha you won't have these problems if you just run the installer from the live cd (ubiquity) rather than within windows (wubi)
[20:51] <harryc3> what is the windows equivalent of the ls command?
[20:51] <wxl> dir
[20:52] <harryc3> thanks. brings back memories.
[20:52] <wxl> hahaha no crap
[20:54] <harryc3> I can see the file. How do I get it to print it?
[20:54] <wxl> you could also look at folder options or whatever in explorer
[20:54] <wxl> turn off hiding
[20:55] <harryc3> where do I turn off hiding
[20:55] <harryc3> ?
[20:56] <wxl> explorer > tools > folder options > view tab > files and folders > hidden files and folders > show hidden files and folders
[20:57] <wxl> you could also notepad file
[20:57]  * wxl is full of options
[20:58] <wxl> then once you're in notepad, select all, copy, open pastebin.com, paste, click submit and give me the url
[20:58] <wxl> for linux thereis a nice little program called pastebinit
[20:58] <wxl> e.g. cat file | pastebinit
[20:59] <wxl> you need some retarded gui piece of shit for winblows :D
[21:01] <bioterror> wxl, or just press h -letter in pcmanfm ;)
[21:06] <wxl> hmmm??
[21:07] <wxl> wtf you talking about bioterror ?
[21:07] <bioterror> oh that was windows hidden files :D
[21:07] <bioterror> and btw. !language ;)
[21:07] <wxl> oh bahg
[21:07] <harryc3> back again. mIRC keeps losing you.
[21:08] <wxl> wtf = what the flipperdoodle
[21:08] <wxl> mIRC = barf
[21:08] <harryc3> what were you saying abot the alternative to wubi?
[21:08] <bioterror> Gentoo is a good alternative to Wubi
[21:08] <wxl> well if you use the live cd and boot to it (don't let it boot to windows), then there's a graphical installer called ubiquity
[21:09] <wxl> as wubi uses torrent that may be causing you problems
[21:10] <bioterror> wubi is like BeOS 5 or what was it
[21:10] <harryc3> right now the system is not offering a disk boot option. How do I defeat the hidden bios?
[21:11] <wxl> awww that depends on your system/bios
[21:11] <wxl> it should show you something at the beginning
[21:11] <wxl> start banging f-keys :D
[21:11] <bioterror> usually F2
[21:11] <bioterror> or when using HP, F10
[21:11] <bioterror> sometimes might be del -key
[21:12] <harryc3> lemme try that. thanks so much to you guys. f10 is my starting point since this is an hp. I'll be back.
[21:12] <wxl> see you soon :D
[21:13] <bioterror> F9 is boot menu on HP's ;)
[21:13] <bioterror> oh well
[21:13] <bioterror> (I have to deal with hp's at work every day)