[06:30] <rlgod> Hating ATI right now
[07:32] <philipballew> HansLanda, whats up
[07:33] <philipballew> how can I help
[07:33] <HansLanda> i made this command...and returned this...look
[07:33] <HansLanda> sudo gedit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[07:33] <HansLanda> http://pastebin.com/NEz1BTsw
[07:34] <philipballew> why are you working with that
[07:35] <philipballew> whats the need?
[07:36] <HansLanda> i cant find my wlan0
[07:36] <HansLanda> it seems to be the eth1
[07:36] <HansLanda> but there is eth1 and wlan0 with the same mac
[07:37] <philipballew> what does ifconfig say
[07:38] <HansLanda> can i paste here?
[07:39] <philipballew> try pasebin
[07:39] <philipballew> someimes they yell at me
[07:40] <Snicksie> please paste in pastebin - its easier to read ;)
[07:40] <ApOgEE> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:40] <HansLanda> http://pastebin.com/y8LyBhNJ
[07:41] <philipballew> i would imagine eth1 might be the wifi
[07:42] <philipballew> does nm not show an interface>
[07:43] <HansLanda> i want to change my mac adresss but i cant...thats the final problem
[07:43] <philipballew> HansLanda, what gui are you runing?
[07:43] <Snicksie> you should be able to change your macadress with macchanger (its a commandline tool)
[07:44] <philipballew> Snicksie, do you think thats the problem
[07:44] <Snicksie> nope :)
[07:44] <HansLanda> ubuntu 11.04, gnome 2....
[07:44] <HansLanda> yes...but the command macchanger returns error
[07:44] <Snicksie> << gone
[07:45] <philipballew> HansLanda, have you always had this problem?
[07:45] <ApOgEE> HansLanda: try commenting line 17 from http://pastebin.com/NEz1BTsw and see if wlan0 pops up
[07:45] <HansLanda> i installed ubuntu about 3 days ago
[07:46] <HansLanda> i was with opensuse
[07:47] <philipballew> ok. sweet
[07:47] <HansLanda> man...im very new on this...i cant tell many things...can you show me some commands than i paste
[07:47] <philipballew> lets do this
[07:47] <philipballew> do what ApOgEE said
[07:52] <HansLanda> http://pastebin.com/nf0jCesn
[07:52] <philipballew> try lspci -vvv
[07:53] <HansLanda> http://pastebin.com/SXPEL6vH
[07:54] <ApOgEE> HansLanda: did you edit your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules before?
[07:54] <HansLanda> no
[07:54] <HansLanda> http://pastebin.com/SXPEL6vH
[07:56] <HansLanda> anyone can ssh?
[07:56] <HansLanda> hey philipballew http://pastebin.com/SXPEL6vH
[07:56] <ApOgEE> anyway, is eth1 working?
[07:57] <HansLanda> i think so...didnt try yet
[07:57] <ApOgEE> HansLanda: if eth1 is working, it is just because the driver found it as eth1. there is others have the same issue
[07:57] <HansLanda> just connecting with eth0
[07:58] <ApOgEE> you may try to connect using eth1 for wireless
[07:58] <HansLanda> and why cant i change my mac adress?
[07:58] <ApOgEE> HansLanda: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-wireless-networking-41/wlan0-recognized-as-eth1-please-help-879499/
[07:58] <ApOgEE> HansLanda: why would you want to change your mac address?
[07:59] <ApOgEE> if you want to change your mac address, you may do it in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:00] <ApOgEE> HansLanda: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-your-network-card-mac-address-on-ubuntu/
[08:00] <HansLanda> and what is the command to change...without editing it in /etc.....
[08:01] <ApOgEE> use ifconfig
[08:01] <ApOgEE> HansLanda: man ifconfig
[08:01] <ApOgEE> for more details
[08:02] <HansLanda> hans@omerta:~$ sudo macchanger --mac 00:00:00:00:00:00 eth1
[08:02] <HansLanda> [sudo] password for hans:
[08:02] <HansLanda> Current MAC: 78:e4:00:8e:39:61 (unknown)
[08:02] <HansLanda> ERROR: Can't change MAC: interface up or not permission: Too many open files in system
[08:03] <HansLanda> notebook dell Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 @2.20GHz  3gb of ram, ubuntu 11.04
[08:03] <ApOgEE> you may try $ sudo ifconfig eth1 down; sudo ifconfig eth1 hw ether XX:XX:new:mac:XX:XX; sudo ifconfig eth1 eth1 up;
[08:04] <ApOgEE> you may try $ sudo ifconfig eth1 down; sudo ifconfig eth1 hw ether XX:XX:new:mac:XX:XX; sudo ifconfig eth1 up;
[08:04] <HansLanda> hans@omerta:~$ sudo ifconfig eth1 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55
[08:04] <HansLanda> SIOCSIFHWADDR: Too many open files in system
[08:05] <ApOgEE> it should work if the device driver supports this operation
[08:05] <ApOgEE> HansLanda: do you have too many open files?
[08:05] <ApOgEE> lsof
[08:05] <ApOgEE> to see
[08:07] <HansLanda> man...i did the command...well...there is a lot of things...console coudnt show all
[08:07] <ApOgEE> lol
[08:08] <ApOgEE> close some and try again.
[08:08] <HansLanda> but i dont have any programs opened here...
[08:08] <HansLanda> ps ax and pastebin?
[08:10] <ApOgEE> to make it simpler, just restart your pc and see if there will be too many open files again
[08:10] <ApOgEE> i doubt it is due to your previous commands that didn't work well
[08:12] <HansLanda> i will reboot...just a min
[10:17] <KinkyPinkie> Hey! Anyone know where the alias-file lies? I read that I have to create a ~/.profile but afaik "cd", "mv" etc are aliases already defined somewhere.
[10:18] <bioterror> ~% which cd                                                                                .:12:46:11 on 11-10-25:.
[10:18] <bioterror> cd: shell built-in command
[10:18] <KinkyPinkie> cd as in change directory? Maybe I'm just reading an outdated howto
[10:24] <KinkyPinkie> nvm my question, I found another howto that answered :) thanks for the help tho:)
[10:31] <geirha> *sigh* why do people write crap like "put aliases in .profile". It's just plain wrong and won't work.
[10:33] <ApOgEE> owh, I'm late to the party... aliases suppose to be in ~/.bashrc
[10:33] <geirha> Indeed
[11:37] <Newbster> I tried to install Ubuntu on a 2 year old macbook pro, but it can't find the wifi network. Does anyone know if there are any drivers that might fix this?
[11:38] <bioterror> !macbookpro
[11:38] <ubot2> Factoid 'macbookpro' not found
[11:38] <bioterror> GRRR
[11:38] <bioterror> !macbook
[11:38] <ubot2> For help on installing and using Ubuntu on a mac, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[11:38] <Newbster> thank you. I will try tonight
[12:17] <s-fox> Hello.
[12:22] <stlsaint> s-fox: HEYO o/
[12:22] <s-fox> How are you stlsaint ?
[12:23] <stlsaint> hanging in there, yourself?
[12:25] <s-fox> I'm alive
[12:27] <stlsaint> aye always good
[12:59] <coalwater> i want to post a bug but i'm not sure if it should be under unity or under compiz
[13:08] <coalwater> hey IAmNotThatGuy are u busy?
[13:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> coalwater, Nope
[13:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> packing things
[13:16] <sirsean1227> anyone?
[13:20] <Brutus-> howdy
[13:21] <sirsean1227> whats up
[13:21] <sirsean1227> you know much about this new login manager?
[13:21] <sirsean1227> brutus?
[13:29] <holstein> sirsean1227: you mean lightdm?
[13:30] <holstein> sirsean1227: if you get a minute, check out the /topic :)
[13:48] <sirsean1227> you there?
[13:48] <sirsean1227> holstein,  Yes, i do mean lightdm
[13:48] <holstein> i like it... i think it looks slick, and it seems light
[13:49] <sirsean1227> holstein,  i took a look at the .conf
[13:49] <sirsean1227> holstein,  and i dont see where i can change the resolution
[13:50] <sirsean1227> holstein,  you there?
[13:50] <sirsean1227> brb cig
[13:51] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/832720
[13:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 832720 in lightdm "screen resolution cannot be set with lightdm (dup-of: 602505)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 602505 in lightdm "Support Init, PreSession and PostSession script hooks" [High,Fix released]
[13:53] <sirsean1227> holstein, Thanks
[13:53] <sirsean1227> holstein,  so it looks like i will wait
[13:53] <sirsean1227> :(
[13:54] <sirsean1227> holstein,   I wish the Devs would think about such simple things
[13:54] <sirsean1227> but they are to busy reinventing the wheel
[13:55] <holstein> well, you can run another login manager
[13:55] <coalwater> ok IAmNotThatGuy i want you try something
[13:55] <holstein> its still early for lightDM
[13:55] <sirsean1227> Thats true
[13:55] <sirsean1227> but why release it
[13:56] <holstein> you gotta start somewhere
[13:56] <sirsean1227> give people the option to download it if they want
[13:56] <holstein> thats the case right?
[13:56] <sirsean1227> yeah but not being able to adjust the resolution
[13:56] <sirsean1227> thats the first thing you should think about
[13:56] <holstein> yeah, but its simple
[13:56] <holstein> thats the point
[13:56] <holstein> i think
[13:56] <holstein> most folks dont care
[13:56] <sirsean1227> you can change the theme in it and the text DPI...
[13:57] <holstein> i wouldnt know
[13:57] <holstein> i only have lightdm running on one machine
[13:57] <holstein> and i just installed that yesterday
[13:57] <sirsean1227> you would think while that was being added they would have thought "hmmm tex dpi.... themes... ahhh resolution too"
[13:57] <holstein> otherwise, im using GDM on gnome2 in 10.04
[13:57] <holstein> sirsean1227: add yourself to that bug report
[13:58] <holstein> you can find who is developing lightdm and offer to help as well
[13:58] <sirsean1227> i dont right code
[13:58] <sirsean1227> write
[13:58] <holstein> +, im not sure you *cant* change the res
[13:58] <sirsean1227> oops
[13:58] <sirsean1227> i would be more of a test it guy
[13:58] <sirsean1227> i am really picky
[13:58] <holstein> sure, or you can pay a dev for them
[13:58] <holstein> or find one
[13:59] <sirsean1227> if they had me sitting next to them we would stomp OSX in 2 years
[13:59] <holstein> its all open software, so its "ours"
[13:59] <holstein> in theory
[13:59] <sirsean1227> yeah... Unity doesnt seem that way yet
[13:59] <holstein> yeah, but thats an opinion
[13:59] <sirsean1227> i can run little scripts and stuff
[13:59] <sirsean1227> but nothing major
[14:00] <holstein> im not an OSX fan, so its easy to stomp it for me
[14:00]  * holstein not a unity fan either
[14:00] <sirsean1227> i mean visually
[14:00] <holstein> still, thats opinion
[14:00] <holstein> you cant please everyone
[14:00] <sirsean1227> i dont really like the windows management in OSX or Unity
[14:00] <sirsean1227> window*
[14:00] <holstein> sure, but some folks really like it
[14:01] <holstein> i would say most dont care, notice, or care to notice
[14:01] <sirsean1227> i feel like you are trading one click for 4 or 5 clicks
[14:01] <holstein> i feel like no one is making a destkop anymore
[14:01] <sirsean1227> me too!
[14:03] <geirha> They should learn a bit more from Hollywood. People don't use a mouse, they type wildly on the keyboard to do stuff.
[14:05] <sirsean1227> so you are a command line guy
[14:06] <geirha> Just my impression of computer use in Hollywood movies. But yes, I mainly just need the desktop to be able to run a browser and terminal windows.
[14:07] <holstein> yeah, i have a server install for that, forcing me to learn the CLI
[14:08] <sirsean1227> i mainly use command to install packages or edit text files
[14:08] <geirha> One bad thing with Unity is that it doesn't work so well with sloppy focus
[14:08] <geirha> To get to the menubar of a program, you have to carefully move the mouse in a path so it doesn't touch any other windows on the way
[14:08] <sirsean1227> i hate it
[14:08] <holstein> yeah, its just not for me
[14:09] <holstein> its really improving quickly
[14:09] <sirsean1227> i dont know of anyone that likes it
[14:09] <holstein> yeah? i do
[14:09] <holstein> folks in my LUG
[14:09] <sirsean1227> you cant even move the dock for science sake
[14:09] <holstein> some folks that ive installed it for that fall into that catagory i mentioned earlier that dont notice
[14:10] <sirsean1227> i like my dock on the bottom
[14:10] <holstein> yeah, but if it were stuck there we'd be having a different conversation
[14:10] <holstein> customization will come
[14:10] <sirsean1227> i have a 54 inch tv to screen space is of no issue
[14:10] <sirsean1227> the ubuntu guy said they wont
[14:11] <sirsean1227> move it
[14:11] <geirha> "won't move it" and "won't allow it to be moved" is different...
[14:11] <sirsean1227> because the bloated menu needs to be in the "top left"
[14:11] <holstein> i dont know who 'they' are, or the 'ubuntu guy' either, but 'they' wont move it... it'l just be more customizable
[14:12] <sirsean1227> i think he was saying "wont allow it"
[14:12] <holstein> and as the code gets looked at, userland tweaks'll come around
[14:13] <sirsean1227> i am talking about the Canonical dude
[14:13] <sirsean1227> the rich guy
[14:13] <sirsean1227> i forgot his name
[14:13] <holstein> shuttleworth?
[14:14] <sirsean1227> yeah
[14:14] <sirsean1227> or their head developer
[14:14] <sirsean1227> i cant remember
[14:14] <holstein> well, either way, its not for me, but i would expect to see some decent customizations this cycle since its 12.04, the LTS
[14:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> coalwater, packing things man :[
[14:14] <sirsean1227> coalwater
[14:14] <sirsean1227> thats it
[14:15] <sirsean1227> maybe?
[14:15] <sirsean1227> oh
[14:15] <sirsean1227> ha
[14:15] <sirsean1227> wait
[14:15] <sirsean1227> hello coalwater
[14:16] <sirsean1227> the guy in this chatroom
[14:16] <sirsean1227> maybe i will try and get some devs together
[14:16] <sirsean1227> and start from scratch
[14:16] <sirsean1227> a sexy, usable distro
[14:17] <sirsean1227> all new stuff
[14:17] <holstein> you might want to get that started over in #ubuntu-beginners-team sirsean1227
[14:17] <holstein> this is more of a support channel
[14:17] <holstein> over there its more loose, OT friendly
[14:25] <coalwater> hey sirsean1227 sorry wasn't looking
[15:14] <aj__> guys i wanna contribute to ubuntu
[15:14] <aj__> where can i get started?
[15:15] <bioterror> what you want to do?
[15:15] <aj__> dunno but very good in c++,c and php
[15:16] <bioterror> good way to start contributing with coding skills is a bug squad for example
[15:16] <aj__> please give me the link
[15:16] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Bugs
[15:16] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development
[16:16] <philipballew> If I give my laptop a static IP will is be unable to connect to some wifi networks?
[16:16] <bioterror> static ip to where?
[16:16] <bioterror> for what
[16:17] <philipballew> my laptop. give that a static ip. would that make it harder to connect to a wifi network
[16:18] <bioterror> usually wifi ap's uses dhcp
[16:18] <holstein> its not too much hassle to change that in the netmanager
[16:18] <holstein> in the GUI
[16:22] <philipballew> yeah
[16:22] <philipballew> holstein, I really need to learn how to do that not in the terminal sometime
[16:46] <moijes12> I am unable to add my name to the "Seeking guide " list.Please can somebody help ?
[16:52] <holstein> moijes12: sure... what are you talking about?
[16:53] <holstein> mentorship?... here? bugsquad?
[16:53] <holstein> maybe its just temporarily messed up at the site too
[16:58] <moijes12> Hey thanks for replying holstein.Well, I've been reading the pages for membership at the "ubuntu beginners team" ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership ). Now,  under section "Seeking Guide" it is written "If you would like to join the team and have not yet been sponsored by a Guide please add yourself to this table. " But how do I add my name to this list ? I already have a launchpad page and have joined ubuntu
[16:58] <moijes12> beginners team there
[16:58] <holstein> oh... edit the wiki?
[16:58]  * holstein looking
[17:01] <moijes12> one more question,is it necessary that I should have contributed in some way already in order to seek a guide or a mentor ?
[17:01] <holstein> moijes12: when you are logged in, and you might need to refresh the page... you hit the 'edit' button at the top of the page
[17:02] <holstein> moijes12: you can add yourself right after
[17:02] <holstein> "|| 20 || [[jfussion]]   || UTC +8 || <<DateTime(2011-10-01T18:13:01+0800)>> || || ||"
[17:07] <moijes12> ok.I'll do that.
[17:10] <moijes12> I'm a little confused here.Is this team for those members who "have contributed to ubuntu and wish to help beginners" OR those who "haven't yet contributed to ubuntu but wish to do so" ?
[17:23] <moijes12> holstein : thanks,I've added my name
[20:05] <asterismo_> hi people
[20:05] <asterismo_> i have a question
[20:07] <asterismo_> how do i set the "icons" only in menus, instead of "both-horiz" that used to appear in desktop>gnome>interface in gconf-editor??