[00:02] <akgraner> jono while you are in a blogging mood can you help promote this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
[00:03] <akgraner> anyone else feel free to promote it and join in the fun on Nov 20th as well.
[00:03] <bkerensa> Will do
[00:04]  * bkerensa addeded to the to do list
[00:09] <akgraner> bkerensa, thanks!
[00:10] <akgraner> bkerensa - ashams came up with the idea and well I thought it would be cool to see how it goes - and we can tweak it as necessary...:-)  Saying "Thank You" and "You Matter" is always in fashion :-)
[00:32] <bkerensa> akgraner: Printing some thank you cards would be cool
[00:32] <bkerensa> :D
[00:33] <akgraner> bkerensa, I did some ubuntu thank you cards  - I think at the Ohio UbuCon
[00:33] <akgraner> I think I gave one to jcastro
[00:33] <akgraner> and others
[00:34] <akgraner> greg-g, did you get one as well
[01:36] <akgraner> AlanBell, can you look at this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Teams and fix the formating - I've contracted Rick to ask him to double check the changes I made to the Canonical teams, pleia2 fixed Ubuntu Women I asked the art team to fix their line - but I don't know how to fix that crazy formatting
[01:37] <pleia2> not sure if it can be fixed, I think the table is just too big for the width-constrained page
[01:38] <akgraner> hmmm
[01:38] <akgraner> maybe we should remove some of the stuff listed on the page
[01:39] <pleia2> it's a mess, not only out-dated but some teams that are gone are there, and some important ones not on there at all
[01:39] <pleia2> I think we need a better way of having a maintainable list :\
[01:39] <akgraner> pleia2, which lines do you think we can get rid of
[01:39] <akgraner> me too
[01:39] <akgraner> I think the icons an go
[01:39] <pleia2> news and fridge should just be merged, lubuntu added, classroom added
[01:40] <akgraner> yep
[01:40] <pleia2> is the mobile team still around? not sure about gaming, presentations, love?
[01:40] <akgraner> so how's this I'll remove the Icons and add all the new derivative distro's
[01:40] <akgraner> nope it's ARM now
[01:40] <akgraner> I changed that
[01:41]  * pleia2 should refresh :)
[01:41] <pleia2> training team is kind of ubuntu learning, but ubuntu learning is inactive at the moment (hoping to pull in your doc and awaken the sleepers)
[01:41] <pleia2> and the canonical training department... not sure it exists anymore?
[01:42] <akgraner> That's why I asked Rick to go through the Canonical ones
[01:42]  * pleia2 nods
[01:42] <akgraner> how's this  - I'll just print it out and we can fix it at UDS
[01:42] <akgraner> b/c looking at that table on the wiki will kill your eyes
[01:42]  * pleia2 will bring the crayons
[01:43] <akgraner> then we can go in and fix it all at once
[01:43] <pleia2> sounds good
[01:43] <akgraner> ok plan for that page :-)
[01:43] <akgraner> plus most of the teams or someone from those teams will be there
[01:44] <pleia2> plus then we can "hey Rick, hey Rick, hey Rick" in person!
[01:44] <pleia2> yeah
[01:44] <akgraner> I'll make all the changes I can...
[01:44] <akgraner> then we can fix the rest there
[01:44] <akgraner> so it will be correct on the BuildingCommunity pages
[01:44] <pleia2> there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[01:45] <pleia2> you know, because we need lots of team lists on the wiki
[01:45] <akgraner> haha
[01:45] <akgraner> yeah
[01:45] <pleia2> :)
[01:45] <akgraner> that page is a mess to - a lot of these wiki's are just borked
[01:45] <pleia2> yeah
[01:45] <akgraner> we need a wiki week
[01:46] <pleia2> we need a loco directory for projects!
[01:46] <akgraner> Or can we just get rid of the wiki
[01:46] <akgraner> trello :-)
[01:46] <akgraner> I said it before jcastro could
[01:46] <akgraner> but yeah
[01:46] <pleia2> I am part of the annoying crowd that winces at it being a closed-source, company-run tool
[01:47] <pleia2> (I have nightmares about google buying them and seeing it go all etherpad ;))
[01:47] <akgraner> :-) I just want the info to be correct
[01:48] <akgraner> so people can trust our resources
[01:48] <pleia2> yeah
[01:48] <akgraner> so if it's a wiki then great...just tell me where it needs to go :-)
[01:49] <akgraner> pleia2, I'll just make a list of the pages I can't fix on my own and try to have that ready for when we get to UDS
[01:49] <pleia2> ok :)
[01:50] <akgraner> maybe we can even get them fixed at UDS
[01:50] <akgraner> not like there isn't enough people there
[01:50] <pleia2> yeah, the bigger problem is finding time
[01:51] <akgraner> 15 minutes - either identify, triage or fix
[01:51] <pleia2> hehe
[01:51] <akgraner> then the next day 15 more mins
[01:51] <akgraner> :-)
[01:51] <akgraner> we'd get it done :-) cause we are all awesome that way!  I gots faith in the community and wiki's :-)
[01:52] <pleia2> I like sleep
[01:52] <akgraner> ok lack of sleep is talking  - catch you all tomorrow :-)
[01:52] <pleia2> hehe, take care
[01:52] <akgraner> yeppers - you should have an intro email in the morning  pleia2 :-)
[01:55] <bkerensa> O.)
[01:56] <akgraner> pleia2, email sent....
[01:56] <akgraner> night y'all :-)
[01:57] <bkerensa> gnight
[01:57] <pleia2> thanks!
[02:30] <mhall119> pleia2: loco directory for projects?
[02:30] <pleia2> mhall119: I was joking :) just reflecting on how we solved the problem of maintaining ever-changing loco details in the wiki
[02:31] <mhall119> oh, ok
[02:31] <pleia2> loco teams have enough in common for it to make sense, unfortunately all ubuntu teams don't
[02:31] <mhall119> we should force standardization on all project teams
[02:32] <pleia2> lol
[04:15] <jono> hey folks
[04:15] <jono> check out http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/25/ubuntu-accomplishments-system-spec/
[05:13] <trimarian_sca> hello
[06:49] <alourie> hello
[06:58] <bkerensa> hi
[07:07] <dholbach> good morning! :)
[07:37] <jono> I am heading to bed
[07:37] <jono> night all!
[07:55] <AlanBell> akgraner: yes, that table is a bit of a mess, I reported bugs about the lack of table lines and I really don't like the 980px layout, but neither is my decision
[07:56] <AlanBell> 980px is or was considered rather fashionable at the time in the web design community
[08:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:14] <czajkowski> dholbach: can you moderate a mail on 'ubuntu-devel from me please?
[09:15] <dholbach> czajkowski, done
[09:15] <czajkowski> dholbach: thanks
[09:15] <dholbach> de nada
[10:13] <akgraner> nigelb, hey one of the guys on the NC LoCo team is wanting to contribute more and wants to do so is by using his knowledge of python to help - can I introduce him to you?
[10:16] <nigelb> akgraner: mhall119 is best :D
[10:18] <akgraner> okie dokie - mhall119 when you get a chance can you pop into the NC Channel and speak to BugeyeD about how he can contribute....You actually may have met him at SELF 2009 at Clemson we were all there
[10:21] <akgraner> popey, were you ever able to get that device to capture screen output to work with Linux?
[10:22] <popey> akgraner: i was
[10:22] <popey> but its not optimal
[10:22] <popey> i have a better solution
[10:22] <akgraner> yeah?  when you have time will you share this knowledge of the better solution
[10:22] <popey> yeah, will blog it
[10:23] <akgraner> Thank you ! :-)
[10:26] <akgraner> popey, I got some feedback on the screencasts I did for the book, while they were positive  - I know I have some room for improvement and want to work on it..so thank you!
[10:32] <popey> akgraner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUlyqeYMPxs gives you an idea of what it looks like
[10:32] <popey> records at 1080p just fine
[10:38] <akgraner> oh cool - that looks great!
[10:38] <popey> what was the feedback centred around?
[10:38] <popey> technical stuff or prep?
[10:39] <akgraner> no people thought I had a soothing voice and enjoyed me walking me through stuff -(consumer side)  - but the publishers wanted more polish to it
[10:39] <akgraner> them through stuff
[10:40] <akgraner> and i Have to keep everything to 10 minutes or less
[10:40] <popey> gotcha
[10:41] <akgraner> so I have to work on it :-) and your stuff rocks - so I thought I'd practice and get some critique from you  :-) and see how you do yours
[10:41] <popey> too kind
[10:42] <akgraner> no I mean it - if it sucked I wouldn't ask you :-P
[10:43] <akgraner> I also had one negative feedback -  I sounded like I was talking to 3rd graders and not adults
[10:43] <akgraner> so I have to work on that too
[10:45] <akgraner> ok so my kids want IRC accounts - should I be worried?
[10:46] <popey> hah
[10:47] <akgraner> we told them we'd help them get started but now I am a little concerned
[11:00] <Joeb454> about what, akgraner?
[11:24] <alourie> akgraner: got a sec?
[11:25] <alourie> oh, sorry, never mind
[12:04] <snap-l> Good morning / afternoon / evening / whatever. :)
[12:11] <czajkowski> Aloha <------------ covers it all
[12:19] <mhall119> morning
[12:19] <mhall119> akgraner: they just want to be able to talk to you ;)
[12:24] <snap-l> czajkowski: When someone says Aloha to me, suddenly it's 1950, grass huts and tiki torches are in, and people take ukelele music seriously. ;)
[12:25] <cprofitt> snap-l: people love ukelele music
[12:25] <snap-l> cprofitt: Find them, round them up, and ship them somewhere nice then. ;)
[12:26] <cprofitt> That may take some time :-)
[12:27] <snap-l> Make sure to get enough 55 gallon drums for the rafts.
[12:27] <cprofitt> like water world?
[12:27] <snap-l> um, suuuure.
[12:28] <snap-l> I guess we don't have to put them in the barrels
[12:28] <snap-l> that might work, actually.
[12:29] <czajkowski> I went to a ukelele concert there 2 weeks ago
[12:29] <czajkowski> great night
[12:29]  * popey waves
[12:30] <cprofitt> hey popey
[13:14] <jcastro> akgraner: when do you guys come down?
[13:15] <czajkowski> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/10/25/call-for-loco-council-nominations/
[14:11] <cjohnston> blah
[14:11] <mhall119> hey, welcome back cjohnston
[14:11] <cjohnston> thanks
[14:36] <dholbach> who likes this as well: https://www.facebook.com/UCADay? :)
[14:44] <snap-l> quick question: Who do I contact re: our team's logging being broken for our IRC channel?
[14:44] <alourie> dholbach: I do :-)
[14:44] <snap-l> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/25/ <- missing #ubuntu-us-mi
[14:44] <alourie> (and I did)
[14:56] <Pici> snap-l: You should send an email to rt@ubuntu.com if the required logbot is not present in your channel.
[14:57] <jono> morning all
[14:57] <jono> dholbach, dpm, jcastro meetingi n 3m in #ubuntu-meeting
[14:58] <dholbach> yep
[15:00]  * akgraner reads the scrollback
[15:03] <akgraner> alourie, did you still need me?
[15:03] <akgraner> I'm online for about 30 mins then I'm heading out...and won't be online until late this evening sometime
[15:03] <alourie> akgraner: well
[15:04] <alourie> it's something to do with the idea jono posted
[15:04] <alourie> and something we joke about
[15:04] <akgraner> which idea? and which joke - this could cover a lot of ground :-)
[15:04] <snap-l> Pici: I believe the logbot is in the channel
[15:04] <alourie> akgraner: Ubuntu Game
[15:04] <akgraner> ahhh
[15:04] <snap-l> Pici: But I will check with them. Thanks!
[15:04] <alourie> :-)
[15:05] <alourie> I'll poke you if I come around to organise thoughts about it
[15:05] <akgraner> sure  - send me and email or I can ping you tomorrow afternoon when I am online for sure again
[15:06] <alourie> akgraner: my schedule is not so ordered now, so I'll ping you :-) thanks
[15:07] <akgraner> alourie, thanks!
[15:10] <akgraner> dholbach, don't you just love ashams idea for the Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day!  Thanks for seeing it -we are in the promotion stage now and hopefully people will participate on the 20th :-)
[15:10] <dholbach> yes
[15:11] <dholbach> it's awesome
[15:11] <alourie> akgraner: was it twittered?
[15:11] <akgraner> yep I did and g+'d and fb'd and indenti.ca'd it as well
[15:11] <alourie> oh, and I think we should post it on next UNW
[15:11] <alourie> and OMG Ubuntu :-)
[15:12] <akgraner> already emailed them
[15:12] <akgraner> and it will go in UWN :-)
[15:12] <akgraner> and Ubuntu User
[15:12] <akgraner> got those covered :-)
[15:13] <akgraner> did that yesterday..... now we need people to your teams about it - and think about what/who you want to appreciate and let know "They Matter" on Nov 20th
[15:14] <akgraner> so help spread the word please :-)
[15:14] <alourie> yea
[15:15] <alourie> I'm not sure that my LoCo is getting it though
[15:15] <akgraner> as in not getting the word about it or not understanding what it's about
[15:16] <alourie> I think both
[15:16] <jono> jcastro, meeting?
[15:16] <alourie> they are quite smart individuals with own agendas :-)
[15:16] <jono> you are up
[15:17] <akgraner> you can help with both of those  - it doesn't have to come from some "official" voice somewhere - - just tell people think of someone in the Ubuntu Community who has made a positive impact in your involvement in Ubuntu and tell them to let that person(s) know how they impacted their contributions etc
[15:18] <akgraner> alourie, I'll just blog about it with examples  - I'll do mine early - would that help
[15:18] <alourie> akgraner: sure thing
[15:18] <alourie> I'll do that
[15:18] <akgraner> alourie, Thank you!!!
[15:18] <akgraner> :-)
[15:19] <alourie> akgraner: sure. Share it on g+, I'll read it later and also share with other people
[15:20] <akgraner> k will do - I have a 5 hour drive ahead of me today surely I can get some of it done in the car
[15:20] <akgraner> I'm not driving  - I'm riding (didn't want anyone to think I was going to drive to drive and blog at the same time)
[15:21] <alourie> :-D
[15:24] <dholbach> nice to see all the feedback in the team meeting
[15:25] <jono> indeed :-)
[16:02] <dholbach> alourie, I set up very sparse https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments pages - check the individual trophies pages
[16:02] <dholbach> it'd be nice to add more ideas to it and then get a team of people together who can help make this happen :)
[16:27] <cprofitt> nothing like a wee bit of pressure... just got told by my boss that instead of launching the new help desk mid-November he wants it launched by the end of the day
[16:32] <pleia2> oh fun :(
[16:34]  * dholbach hugs cprofitt
[16:37]  * nigelb hugs cprofitt 
[16:37] <nigelb> Today is hearing firecrackers go off all night :)
[16:37] <nigelb> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diwali)
[16:50] <dholbach> nigelb, happy diwali
[16:50] <dholbach> vish too ^ :)
[16:50] <dholbach> time to call it a day over here - see you all tomorrow
[16:51] <czajkowski> dholbach: tooldes
[16:51] <nigelb> g'nite
[16:51] <dholbach> bye :)
[16:51] <vish> dholbach: :) , have a great day.. :)
[16:52] <vish> drat!
[16:56] <nigelb> vish: You're in NYC these days?
[16:56] <vish> nigelb: yea..
[16:56] <nigelb> Nice :)
[16:57] <vish> :)
[17:00] <popey> nigelb: we had samosas and indian sweets at work for Diwali
[17:00] <popey> best samosas ever
[17:01] <popey> also jalebi
[17:01] <popey> I could eat my own body weight in jalebi
[17:01] <nigelb> popey: damn, you make me want jalebis.
[17:01] <nigelb> Its aleady 10:30 pm, so less chances of that.
[17:01] <popey> also barfi
[17:01] <popey> haha
[17:02] <popey> we have _loads_ of indians in our office
[17:02] <popey> so there were a ridiculous amount of samosas
[17:03] <czajkowski> popey: you're killling me
[17:03] <czajkowski> am starving
[17:03] <nigelb> hehe
[17:03] <czajkowski> and dinner is at least anoter 2 hrs away
[17:04] <popey> :D
[17:04] <popey> just got home, need to get ready for uupc
[17:04] <popey> live show tonight
[17:07] <czajkowski> house viewing before dinner
[17:37] <jussi> anyone seen paultag recently ?
[17:37] <czajkowski> yup
[17:38] <czajkowski> he's online just not in here
[17:38] <czajkowski> you can find him in locoteams
[17:38] <jussi> czajkowski: hrm... my client says otherwise, guess its borked. is he using the nick paultag?
[17:39] <danilos> hi all, can anyone help me check if a certain person has permission to approve sessions for Linaro Connect?
[17:40] <jussi> jcastro: probably knows
[17:40] <danilos> jcastro, hi Jorge, any idea? :)
[18:08] <james_w> danilos, hi, that's a Launchpad thing, not a summit thing
[18:08] <james_w> people in https://launchpad.net/~linaro-connect-organizers can approve things at https://launchpad.net/sprints/lcq4.11
[18:13] <danilos> james_w, well, I might be asking the wrong question, but if the session is approved, it will be scheduled automatically as well? (basically check your email)
[18:16] <james_w> danilos, it will, if the name matches the conventions
[18:16] <danilos> james_w, right, thanks
[18:17] <danilos> james_w, btw, does it make sense for me to be the memeber of connect-organizers team as well?
[18:18] <james_w> danilos, yeah, I think so, as you will want to approve sessions
[18:18] <danilos> james_w, can you please add me while you are there? :)
[18:19] <james_w> done
[18:21] <scott-work> two questions:  1. is it too late to suggest a blueprint for uds-p?
[18:22] <scott-work> 2. how the bloody hell do i register for a track?
[18:28] <danilos> james_w, thanks
[18:30] <james_w> danilos, there's also "track lead" permission in the scheduling system that allows for changing the schedule
[18:30] <james_w> Ilias probably wants that as well, but it wasn't clear to me which he was asking about
[18:31] <james_w> summit admins can grant that in the admin interface
[18:31] <danilos> james_w, right, thanks for the info there, that includes StephenDole, right?
[18:31] <james_w> I think so
[18:32] <james_w> I could make you a summit admin too
[18:33] <scott-work> two questions:
[18:34] <scott-work> 1. is it too late to register a blueprint for uds-p
[18:34] <scott-work> 2. how the bloody hell do i register for a track?
[18:39] <maco> scott-work: talk to the track lead to get the blueprint on the schedule. that happens even up during uds :)
[18:39] <maco> scott-work: as for #2...i didn think there was such a thing as registering for a track
[18:39] <maco> there arent really rsvps...
[18:40] <scott-work> maco: this is from an email from daniel holbach, "Everyone is expected to attend each day and the sessions that they register for"
[18:40] <scott-work> i'll ping dholbach tomorrow morning if no one knows
[18:41] <maco> scott-work: its per-session, not per-track
[18:41] <maco> you just subscribe to the blueprint
[18:41] <scott-work> maco: that is what i thought, just making sure
[18:41] <maco> when doing so, you can mark yourself as "participation essential" if you HAVE to be there and reading notes later isnt enough
[18:41] <scott-work> and ah, i see the confusion, i.e. track vs. session, bad choice of words
[18:41] <maco> then the autoscheduler will try to ensure you don't need to violate the laws of physics
[18:42] <scott-work> thank you maco :)
[18:42] <maco> np
[18:42] <AlanBell> you can always be sat in one session and participate by IRC in another :)
[18:43] <maco> AlanBell: true. also a bit confusing :P
[18:45] <maco> scott-work: are you yokozar or a new scott?
[18:53] <scott-work> maco: i am scott lavender, ubuntu studio project lead :-)
[18:53] <scott-work> also, ScottL from my home laptop
[18:54] <maco> ooh that scott
[18:55] <maco> i dont know if i know you in person
[18:55] <maco> just that youre the scott whose nick makes me double take for ScottK
[18:59] <scott-work> aye, that is true and unfortunate
[19:00] <scott-work> i cannot say that i have met any person in real life that i talk with on irc :/
[19:00] <scott-work> i hope to remedy this at uds, however :)
[19:00] <scott-work> maco: will you be at uds-p?  perhaps i shall add you to my growing list of people to meet?
[19:54] <salgado> has anybody got any idea what makes the call to schedule.calculate() in http://paste.ubuntu.com/719120/ to generate different .meetings every time I run it? (at the top there are all the test failures I saw)
[19:56] <salgado> james_w, do you have any idea?  I've copied that test from your branch to trunk (to make sure it was not something introduced by your changes), but it still fails with a different .meetings most of the time
[19:57] <james_w> salgado, model_mommy randomises parameters that aren't specified, which means that it can have non-deterministic behaviour
[20:01] <salgado> james_w, oh, right.  any idea what could be the parameter that we must not allow randomization on?  maybe the fact that sometimes .meetings is empty and sometimes not gives a clue?
[20:02] <james_w> salgado, that may be something to do with the slot I think
[20:03] <james_w> as if no slots match the criteria you will get an empty dict