[04:02] <pitti> Good morning
[04:02] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[04:03] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[04:03] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself?
[04:03] <pitti> TheMuso: pretty good, thanks!
[04:03] <pitti> looking forward to Orlando
[04:03] <TheMuso> Yeah me too.
[04:03] <TheMuso> Not so much the weather, or the travelling, but everything else, yes.
[04:08] <jbicha> what's wrong with the weather?
[04:11] <TheMuso> Well this time last year in Orlando, it was rather hot and humid.
[04:11] <TheMuso> SO I am expecting something similar.
[04:13] <jbicha> hmm, 80s/high 20s, yeah that's a bit warm
[05:08] <pitti> RAOF: if you have some time for SRUs, can you please look at my apport upload? I'm catching up with the other queues
[05:08] <RAOF> pitti: Certainly.
[05:11] <pitti> agateau: please reupload appmenu-qt SRU with a bug reference
[05:20] <pitti> RAOF: all queues clear now, except for apport
[05:20] <pitti> binutils and software-properties need to wait
[05:21]  * micahg thinks pitti is having a weird version day
[05:21] <pitti> ?
[05:21] <micahg> 0.6.14-1git1ubuntu1, 4.24.0-0ubuntu2b1
[05:21] <pitti> oh, for unity? I didn't want to use -ubuntu3, as this shouldn't (need to) go into the VCS
[05:21] <pitti> it's like a binNMU
[05:22] <micahg> pitti: shouldn't the VCS be a record of what was in the archive though?
[05:22] <pitti> it is, the source didn't change
[05:22] <pitti> powerpc was busted
[05:33] <RAOF> pitti: apport looks good; accepted.
[05:33] <pitti> RAOF: thanks
[05:37] <micahg> pitti: makes sense I guess
[05:55] <pitti> jbicha: new mutter regressed on armel (FTBFS)
[06:14] <Sweetshark> Morning Desktoppers!
[06:14]  * Sweetshark is a case of "senile Bettflucht" today (have fun with google translate on that one) ...
[06:24] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[06:25] <pitti> Sweetshark: not even sure what that means exactly :)
[06:34] <Sweetshark> pitti: wikipedia knows ;)
[06:35] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, hehe
[06:42] <TheMuso> ?c
[07:06] <GunnarHj> pitti: Good morning, Martin, and thanks for the upload of the a-s branch at bug 868346 to oneiric-proposed. Seems like the powerpc binaries won't be built until tomorrow.
[07:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868346 in lightdm "Language selector broken in Ubuntu" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868346
[07:06] <GunnarHj> pitti: Robert has commented on the lightdm MP, and he asks for your second opinion. I have responded with a branch update and a comment.
[07:15] <chrisccoulson> w00t, i have internets today
[07:16] <RAOF> No internets yesterday?
[07:16] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:16] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[07:16] <pitti> pretty well, thanks!
[07:16] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, no, i had no connection (other than my 3G) for the whole day yesterday
[07:16] <pitti> oh, and no didrocks to remind me about the meeting reminder
[07:17] <chrisccoulson> it was still broken at 2am this morning
[07:17] <pitti> I wonder if it's worth having a meeting today in the first place, with half of the crew being on travel/at sprint, and we see each other all next week
[07:17] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Boo, hiss.
[07:24] <RAOF> You know what?  I shouldn't have bothered with starting a deja-dup backup to Ubuntu One.  My ADSL2+ pipe just doesn't have the bandwidth to make it fun.
[07:27] <RAOF> pitti: I think one of my replies to the techboard is sitting in moderation.  Could you please give it a prod if it is?
[07:27] <pitti> sure
[07:28] <RAOF> Ta muchly.
[07:28] <pitti> RAOF: done
[07:30] <RAOF> I guess the tech board agenda page is wrong, too; it's unlikely that the next meeting is on 2011/10/20 ;)
[07:31] <pitti> that was the last one indeed
[07:33] <chrisccoulson> pitti - are you able to kill builds? (eg, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/8.0~b4+build1-0ubuntu1/+build/2865778)
[07:33] <chrisccoulson> that's been hung for 5 days
[07:33] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no, only IS can do that
[07:33] <chrisccoulson> ah
[07:34] <pitti> chrisccoulson: if you could ping #is ?
[07:34] <chrisccoulson> pitti - sure, just done that now
[07:52] <htorque__> hello everyone! if the update manager's changes window opens like this: http://i.imgur.com/SCstI.png - against which package should i report a bug (or look for an existing one)?
[07:53] <pitti> htorque__: update-manager seems right
[07:53] <htorque__> so this is no gtk issue?
[07:54] <RAOF> Probably easier to start by assuming it's an update-manager problem; if it's a gtk issue it's easy to reassign.
[07:54] <htorque__> ok, thanks guys!
[07:57] <pitti> RAOF: do you have a minute to review my pygobject oneiric-proposed upload?
[07:57] <pitti> quite a few people wait for that
[07:57] <RAOF> Didn't we already upload pygobject to proposed?
[07:57] <pitti> RAOF: yes, that one is in -updates now
[07:57] <RAOF> There's a new and shiny one? :)
[07:58] <pitti> the oneiric version starts being a nice debian/patches/00git_*.patch collection :)
[07:58] <pitti> at least we are getting everything upstream, experimental/precise have zero patches
[07:58] <pitti> RAOF: yes, now with 50% more love!
[07:59] <pitti> you can even put the love into variants, and those into arrays
[07:59] <pitti> my_love_array = [GLib.Variant('l', '♥')]
[08:00] <RAOF> :)
[08:00] <pitti> hmm, that seems to be a font bug -- '♥ ' with an extra space looks even shinier
[08:00]  * RAOF needs to fix his IRC bouncer's unicode handling
[08:00] <pitti> RAOF: oh, you don't get them properly?
[08:01] <RAOF> Yeah, I think I don't have the locale set.
[08:01] <pitti> how were you ever able to read my shiny ¡ɐıןɐɹʇsnɐ ƃuıuɹoɯ pooƃ then?
[08:02] <RAOF> Because I recently moved my IRC bouncer to the cloud :)
[08:03] <pitti> oha
[08:03] <pitti> mine runs on my colo server
[08:03] <pitti> RAOF: so you have an EC2 something now?
[08:03] <RAOF> I'm trying out the CanoniStack
[08:05] <RAOF> Hm.  At what point did it become 7pm?
[08:05] <RAOF> Curse, you, orbital tilt!
[08:05] <micahg> RAOF: about 8 hours ago for me :)
[08:56] <czajkowski> morning
[09:59] <didrocks> good morning
[10:00] <rodrigo_> am I in?
[10:02] <ricotz> rodrigo_, looks like so
[10:29] <didrocks> pitti: hey, how are you?
[10:29] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[10:29] <pitti> didrocks: how's Orlando?
[10:29] <didrocks> pitti: foggy
[10:29] <didrocks> but it was better yesterday afternoon
[10:30] <didrocks> let's wait for a few days and crossing fingers :)
[10:30] <didrocks> otherwise, nothing release changed
[10:30] <didrocks> really*
[10:31] <didrocks> pitti: I had a question about your unity rebuild for powerpc, it's not possible to just have a give back on powerpc for the -proposed pocket? (just curious)
[10:31] <pitti> didrocks: it's more complicated
[10:31] <pitti> didrocks: I didn't see that powerpc FTBFSed, so I did the usual routine of copying to precise and oneiric-updates
[10:31] <pitti> copying to precise needs to happen first (LP quirk)
[10:31] <pitti> but then the failed powerpc build started again on precise
[10:31] <pitti> during that you can't copy to -updates
[10:31] <pitti> and precise succeeded
[10:32] <didrocks> ah, ok, make sense :)
[10:32] <pitti> so I now had a precise powerpc build for the oneiric SRU
[10:32] <didrocks> yeah, quite not trivial
[10:32] <pitti> and this was totally wrecked
[10:32] <pitti> the only real way to fix this was a new source upload, sorry
[10:32] <pitti> powerpc is busted, libgnome-desktop3 is not installable for some reason, and I don't know why
[10:32] <didrocks> oh no worry, was just interested in why it was needed :)
[10:32] <pitti> the porter chroots have no -proposed
[10:32] <didrocks> urgh, not good
[10:33] <pitti> and I didn't find a powerpc FTBFS which caused thsi
[10:33] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+builds?build_text=&build_state=failed&arch_tag=powerpc
[10:33] <pitti> the very first -proposed FTBFS there is already due to the libgnome-desktop3 installability
[10:33] <pitti> so, NFC about that one :(
[10:35] <didrocks> pitti: "the porter chroots have no -proposed", you mean, you can't log on adare for instance, get a chroot there and apt-get install the deps to be able to see what's wrong?
[10:35] <pitti> didrocks: correct
[10:35] <pitti> in -updates everythign is fine
[10:36] <didrocks> waow
[10:36] <pitti> well, at least apt-get install doesn't complain
[10:36] <didrocks> it will block a lot of updates…
[10:36] <didrocks> yeah
[10:36] <pitti> it might very well be a binary in universe or so
[10:36] <didrocks> hum, how come? you mean the binary would have been incrr
[10:36] <didrocks> incorrectly copied to universe?
[10:36] <pitti> perhaps
[10:37] <pitti> I really don't know
[10:37] <pitti> and I don't feel like sitting down for hours trying to debug this, since frankly, I effing don't care about powerpc
[10:37] <didrocks> yeah, those install issues are quite a pain, not sure if soyuz can be better in detecting that and trying to recursively install deps so that we can have more insight just looking at logs
[10:37] <didrocks> indeed
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> heh, +1000 about not caring about powerpc
[10:38] <didrocks> seems we don't ship anymore /usr/share/applications/nautilus-folder-handler.desktop
[10:39] <didrocks> causing bug #876788
[10:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 876788 in nautilus "Many users upgrading from 11.04 or eariler will be unable to open trash; flash drives & if using Classic session places in nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876788
[10:40] <didrocks> seems we don't have any desktop file providing this anymore
[10:40] <didrocks> I guess it's because nautilus 3 dropped the "show desktop option"
[10:40] <didrocks> and so don't need a --no-desktop one
[10:41] <didrocks> (desktop file)
[10:53] <didrocks> running nautilus %U seems to DTRT
[11:04] <rodrigo_> can anyone replicate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/878486 ?
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 878486 in gnome-settings-daemon "gsd-printer crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,In progress]
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> hmm, i think it might be time to restart my session
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> it's only lunchtime, and it already feels like it's been filled with glue
[12:18]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:22]  * kenvandine heads out to get a flu shot before risking ubuflu, be back in a bit
[12:40] <pitti> dpm: just saw Kenneth's mail about getting full -base oneiric langpacks this week
[12:41] <dpm> hi pitti
[12:41] <pitti> dpm: I disabled the cronjob and told https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+language-packs to get me a full export
[12:41] <pitti> dpm: but the next automatic one will only arrive on Friday, right?
[12:41] <pitti> and I'll be on holiday then
[12:41] <pitti> dpm: would it be possible to kick off an export now?
[12:42] <pitti> dpm: alternatively I can manuall fake one by taking the last full and yesterday's delta tarball
[12:42] <pitti> depending on how recent we want this to be
[12:44] <dpm> pitti, yeah, the next one will be available on Friday. Let me see if a Launchpad losa can arrange an export for us. I think that'd be less work for you.
[12:44] <pitti> dpm: it's not much work to generate a merged one
[12:44] <pitti> I have a script for it
[12:44] <pitti> but it wouldn't be the latest and greatest translations
[12:45] <dpm> pitti, let me ask on #launchpad for someone to arrange the export, and if they haven't come back to us in ~1h, let's go for the merged one. What do you think?
[12:45] <pitti> dpm: sounds great
[12:47] <dpm> ok, asked on #launchpad
[12:54] <pitti> dpm: cheers
[13:01] <cyphermox> good morning@
[13:04] <dpm> pitti, translations full export running. If nothing breaks in the meantime, it should be available in ~16 hours time
[13:04] <pitti> dpm: yay, thanks
[13:04] <dpm> np :)
[13:55] <mitya57> Can somebody help me?
[13:56] <mitya57> I just received a mail from Launchpad
[13:56] <mitya57> On 2011-10-25 12:03z (1 hours 43 minutes ago), you uploaded a file with Hausa (ha) translations for nautilus in Ubuntu Oneiric package "nautilus" to Launchpad.  We were unable to import the file because of errors in its format:  Line 7165: Unsupported plural case number.
[13:56] <mitya57> Line 7165 of that file is "#~ msgstr[6] ""
[13:58] <jbicha> I merged webkit 1.6, is there a particular time of day it's better to push that into the repositories?
[14:03] <CarlFK> mitya57: whats line 7166?   (maybe the reject line starts at 0)
[14:05] <mitya57> CarlFK: 7166: #~ "<b>Irin Zane:</b> %s (%s)\n"
[14:06] <mitya57> All lines from 7088 are commented out
[14:07] <mitya57> And I didn't change anything related to translations in this upload
[14:08] <cyphermox> mitya57: translations get merged with LP too
[14:10] <mitya57> cyphermox: I know, of course, but I'm just wondering what's the case of this error
[14:10] <cyphermox> heh, check line 7165? :)
[14:10] <cyphermox> nevermind, I see it up
[14:12] <mitya57> Anybody can find it @ http://launchpadlibrarian.net/83650335/ha.po
[14:17] <cyphermox> mitya57: afaict it should have failed parsing before that
[14:18] <cyphermox> nplurals=2 in headers, you should only have up to two entries for msgstr[x]... that said, it also shouldn't crash because that's all commented out :)
[14:18] <dobey> right
[14:19] <dobey> what cyphermox said. 6 > 2, and so there's a problem :)
[14:19] <mitya57> Should I acknowledge "ha"-translationteam?
[14:20] <mitya57> BTW, 5 also > 2, why it doesn't like *that* line?
[14:25] <cyphermox> mitya57: clearly there's a bug there in what parses the po file
[14:28] <cyphermox> mitya57: I wouldn't worry *too* much about the error message, but still file a bug against launchpad for the error, possibly with that ha.po file attached
[14:28]  * mitya57 is reporting a bug
[14:35] <mitya57> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/319243 explains the situation
[14:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 319243 in launchpad "KeyError for excessive plural forms" [Medium,Fix released]
[14:35] <mitya57> Launchpad doesn't support >= 6 plural forms (starting with 0)
[14:36] <mitya57> And it tries to load them even if they're commented (to show them in "Suggestions")
[14:38] <cyphermox> ah, interesting
[14:38] <cyphermox> well, now we know
[14:39] <cyphermox> as for the rest, it remains "wrong" to keep 27 different plural forms, but that's just something to bring up upstream for them to clean up their po files
[14:42] <dobey> well, it's not wrong, if the language has 27 different plural forms
[14:42] <dobey> but i'm pretty sure Hausa doesn't, given the header stating it only has 2 :)
[14:56] <cyphermox> d'oh, he's gone
[14:56] <cyphermox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/319243 would have benefited a re-open I guess
[14:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 319243 in launchpad "KeyError for excessive plural forms" [Medium,Fix released]
[14:57] <cyphermox> actually nevermind, I just fail at parsing the bug description
[15:14]  * jbicha looks for a sponsor for webkit 1.6...
[15:31] <cyphermox> seb128: what would be the best way to deal with an extra patch I'd like to add to e-d-s 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 (to fix POP delete-after-days); just upload 3.2.1-0ubuntu2 to -proposed?
[15:31] <seb128> cyphermox, yes
[15:31] <seb128> cyphermox, is the bug a regression from the current sru?
[15:32] <cyphermox> that's just going to superseded it
[15:32] <cyphermox> no, it's something else on top of it
[15:32] <cyphermox> it was broken in 3.2.0 too
[15:32] <seb128> how long is the sru in?
[15:32] <cyphermox> that's why people lost email on pop accounts, it defaulted to delete after 7 days, I discussed it with mbarnes and the default is changed to 0
[15:32] <seb128> either you wait for the new one to move to updates
[15:32] <cyphermox> 6 days now
[15:32] <seb128> or reactivate the counter with a new one
[15:33] <pitti> hey seb128
[15:34] <seb128> hey pitti, how are you?
[15:34] <pitti> seb128: pretty well, thanks! how is the sprint going?
[15:34] <seb128> pitti, quite good so far
[15:34] <seb128> doing a lightdm SRU hacking session with robert_ancell and agateau at the moment
[15:35] <pitti> nice!
[15:36] <seb128> pitti, good SRU work today btw
[15:36] <seb128> nice to see those pygobject and nautilus bugs fixedf
[15:36] <pitti> thanks; got these nautilus patches reviewed, and some pygobject fixes
[15:37] <seb128> saw that ;-)
[15:37] <ricotz> hello
[15:38] <seb128> do we have sometime who feels like working on bug #873334
[15:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 873334 in lightdm "the upstart job is missing support for 'text' command" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873334
[15:38] <ricotz> pitti, hi :), the mutter update has the same issue last time, it includes a debian-changes patch which reverts the former one
[15:39] <ricotz> *as last time
[15:39] <seb128> bug #864174 as well
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 864174 in lightdm "boot hangs waiting for lightdm after purging gdm (wrong default-display-manager)" [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/864174
[15:39] <pitti> ricotz: argh
[15:39] <seb128> (it seems prerm in gdm screw the default)
[15:40] <ricotz> pitti, would you be so kind and bump these ppa builds? https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+builds
[15:41] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending
[15:41] <pitti> ricotz: done
[15:42] <ricotz> pitti, thank you
[15:42] <pitti> seb128: can do 873334, feel free to assign to me
[15:42]  * pitti bbl
[15:43] <seb128> pitti, danke
[15:46] <desrt> seb128: you're missing an awesome meeting!!
[15:47] <seb128> desrt, oh, what a shame!!!
[15:49] <jbicha> seb128: are any of 3.3 updates safe or should we wait to discuss next week?
[15:49] <seb128> jbicha, wait for next week
[15:50] <seb128> we don't know if they will depends on i.e new glib or new GTK in a month time and if that would conflict with decision we will take
[15:50] <jbicha> ok, no problem
[15:56] <jbicha> so mutter ftbfs on arm but I don't have a clue how to handle arm build failures
[15:58] <ogra_> not differently to any other build failures i would propose
[15:58] <ogra_> read the logs, identify the issue, google for a patch, if you dont find one, file a bug and notify ubuntu-arm and linaro
[15:58] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, it includes a debian-changes patch which is probably the reason
[15:59] <jbicha> ricotz: thanks
[15:59] <jbicha> ogra_: well I don't have any Ubuntu-capable ARM hardware to verify whether something works
[16:00] <ogra_> jbicha, but you can read logs :)
[16:00] <ricotz> jbicha, if you are looking for an update gconf 3.2.1 would be nice (when it gets released)
[16:00] <ogra_> eventually it might end up in #ubuntu-arm, but its always helpful for us if the dev does at least some research in advance
[16:01] <ricotz> you can set up a builder using qemu too
[16:01] <ogra_> jbicha, and i'm fighting hard with the management to get at least one arm device into every team
[16:01] <jbicha> my primary laptop has stupid Intel no-hardware-virtualization
[16:01] <ogra_> so someone in -desktop should eventually be able to help doing a test build
[16:02] <ogra_> up to then you have us (ubuntu-arm)
[16:02] <jbicha> ricotz: yes, I'm waiting for gconf 3.2.1 too
[16:04] <ogra_> we're also trying to get public arm PPAs ready since a while, sadly now armhf came up which steals the buildds dedicated for this
[16:05] <ogra_> once thats bootstrapped there should be public arm PPAs though, so you can do testbuilds yourself
[16:05] <ricotz> ogra_, nice, this sounds great
[16:06] <ogra_> ricotz, yeah, sounded great over a year ago already ... sadly life in arm land is slow ...
[16:07] <ogra_> (we should move to "leg" that should be able to _run_ faster :P )
[16:07] <Laney> everyone wants that gconf
[16:07] <Laney> banshee chewing the cpu is trés annoying
[16:07] <ogra_> Laney, well, i wish it would chew cpu here
[16:07] <ogra_> it sadly doesnt get that far on arm
[16:07] <Laney> i heard :(
[16:08] <Laney> is it mono or banshee that broke?
[16:08] <ogra_> tomboy and f-spot work in tests
[16:08] <ogra_> so i would say either banshee itself or some special function the others dont use
[16:09] <Laney> did you try banshee 2.2.0 w/mono 2.6 (natty)?
[16:09] <ogra_> i think NCommander and GrueMaster tried a lot of combos
[16:10] <Laney> try the muinshee interface
[16:10] <Laney> that should have a lot less gtk (to see if it's the custom widgetry)
[16:11] <ogra_> Bug 857299 btw
[16:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 857299 in banshee "banshee window remain white on startup on armel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/857299
[16:29] <bjsnider> ricotz, i think gconf 3.2.1 is being released today
[16:29] <bjsnider> and it fixes at least 2 bugs
[16:32] <ricotz> bjsnider, yeah, but there isnt a tarball yet
[16:41] <pitti> good night everyone!
[16:43] <dobey> night pitti
[16:44] <dobey> mterry: can you get my two oneiric-proposed proposals into oneiric-proposed (at least uploaded and waiting for archive admin to approve)?
[16:44] <achiang> has anyone heard of a bug where moving your mouse to the left edge of the desktop causes the screen to go blank?
[16:44] <achiang> running unity in oneiric
[16:44] <achiang> didn't see anything in a quick search in LP
[16:46] <dobey> that sounds extremely weird
[16:47] <achiang> does the fact that synergy is running, and that the 2nd panel is on the left edge have anything to do with it?
[16:48] <mterry> dobey, ok.  The two "slow music store link" ones?
[16:51] <dobey> mterry: yep. libu1 and banshee; the banshee one also fixes a more severe issue where banshee ends up going nuts, if there is no network
[16:53] <achiang> seb128: ^^
[16:54] <seb128> no I didn't
[16:55] <achiang> seb128: any clues on how to start debugging?
[16:56] <seb128> no idea, maybe #ubuntu-x guys have an issue or the xorg logs
[16:56] <seb128> seems like it could be a video driver bug
[16:56] <achiang> seb128: ah, ok. should have started there, thanks
[16:58] <seb128> yw
[17:28] <zyga> hi, where does LANGUAGE get set?
[17:28] <zyga> somehow my language is set to chinese and I cannot change it in the language selector applet
[17:28] <zyga> (it is grayed out)
[17:28] <zyga> out)
[17:31] <dobey> zyga: usually you pick it when logging in
[17:31] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/868032 => could somebody check this one ?
[17:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868032 in nautilus "nautilus progress window marked skipped, not managed by gnome-shell" [Low,Confirmed]
[17:31] <zyga> dobey, in lightdm?
[17:31] <zyga> dobey, where?
[17:31] <dupondje> seems like its caused by a patch in ubuntu only
[17:32] <dobey> zyga: there is a gear icon next to your name i think, you click on that and choose language, iirc
[17:32] <zyga> dobey, I just did, I could select my session, not language though
[17:32]  * zyga logs out to check again
[17:32] <cyphermox> zyga: no need
[17:33] <cyphermox> it's not there
[17:33] <dobey> oops
[17:41] <dobey> oh i guess it's not there :(
[17:41] <dobey> and is supposed to be an indicator thing at the top of lightdm i suppose, but also not there
[17:42] <cyphermox> zyga: what's greyed out in language-selector, the language list at the top?
[17:42] <zyga> cyphermox, yes
[17:42] <zyga> it's highly unintuitive
[17:42] <zyga> I managed to drag english to the top
[17:42] <cyphermox> quite unusual
[17:43] <cyphermox> ok
[17:43] <cyphermox> that should be enough
[17:43] <zyga> chinese was at the top and I did not know how to move it down
[17:45] <zyga> anyway, I could _not_ change language in lightdm
[17:46] <dobey> zyga: yeah, that is apparently a rather horrible regression in oneiric :(
[17:48] <zyga> dobey, I don't mind it being missing that much, I just did mind chinese :)
[17:48] <zyga> LANGUAGE is confusing to be honest
[17:48] <zyga> it seems to be crashing xchat-gnome here
[17:56] <mterry> dobey, heyo.  a couple things about your u1ms patches
[17:57] <dobey> mterry: hey
[17:57] <mterry> dobey, (1) the libubuntuone patch doesn't apply cleanly to oneiric.  Easy to fix, but looks like it was originally made on a different version of the source
[17:57] <dobey> eh?
[17:57] <dobey> it applies here
[17:58] <dobey> hrmm
[17:58] <dobey> i'll look, and yes it's easy to fix if it doesn't
[17:59] <mterry> dobey, had to apply this patch to the tree: dobey, (2) after both patches, starting Banshee with a long do
[17:59] <mterry> whoops
[17:59] <mterry> dobey, this patch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/719040/
[17:59] <mterry> dobey, (2) after both patches, starting Banshe with a u1ms URL does not switch to the music store after startup
[18:00] <dobey> sigh
[18:01] <mterry> will make those comments on the merges too, for posterity
[18:01] <dobey> yeah
[18:01] <dobey> banshee is not fun
[18:02] <dobey> i was having that issue as well in testing, as there seems to be a race within banshee itself
[18:02] <mterry> :-/
[18:03] <dobey> i could repeat it easily even. while i was testing, i added a logging call to another part of the banshee code, to help debug. when i did that, it started working right. then i removed that added call and it continued to work correctly :(
[18:04] <dobey> so i really have no idea why it's not switching, exactly. stupid heisenbug race inside banshee :(
[18:05] <mterry> dobey, does it do that before your patches?
[18:06] <dobey> mterry: currently in oneiric, loading a u1ms:// url will take at least 10 seconds after banshee is started, to happen. so it simply isn't there because it's way after it would occur
[18:07] <mterry> dobey, I see, "working through obscurity"  :)
[18:07] <dobey> mterry: but current banshee is weird, because if you click and link, and banshee opens, and you hit play or something, it will just seemingly randomly switch to the u1ms view
[18:49] <mterry> @pilot out
[18:49] <mterry> whoops
[19:27] <mterry> tremolux, today, all the for-purchase apps lost their icons in software-center.  :-/
[19:28] <tremolux> mterry: hrm, yes, I see that  :/
[19:30] <tremolux> mterry: I'll look into this, thank you for the head's up!
[19:31] <dobey> mterry, tremolux: what airline are you guys taking to orlando? i don't recognize "b6" :)
[19:32] <tremolux> dobey: JetBlue, but..."b6"??
[19:33] <tremolux> mterry: if you click into the description page for one of the apps, does the icon appear (after a short moment?)
[19:33] <dobey> tremolux: yeah, i was looking at the canonical wiki page that lists everyone to see who was arriving the same time as i, and saw your flight numbers were "b6 432" or something like that
[19:33] <mterry> tremolux, yeah
[19:34] <mterry> tremolux, but even after doing that, the main page doesn't update to show the icon
[19:34] <mterry> ("main page" == "welcome/dashboard thing")
[19:35] <tremolux> mterry: yep, but if I restart s-c, it does for me
[19:36] <mterry> tremolux, yup, you're right
[19:36] <tremolux> mterry: (initial guess) seems like the icons were updated on the server side for some reason, and so the cache was no longer valid
[19:36] <tremolux> mterry: and the new UI isn't good about handling an updated cache in the main screen
[19:36] <mterry> tremolux, this was around the time that I noticed we have new books for purchase (which, btw, don't appear as newer than the other packages, though I'm 99% confident they are)
[19:37] <mterry> tremolux, so I could easily believe updated server-side cache
[19:47] <tremolux> mterry: yep, looking in my cache I can see the icon names are all new...hrm
[19:49] <achiang> hi, if one is using ccm and has disabled "bring to front on click".... how do you actually bring the window to the front after that? :)
[19:49] <mterry> achiang, alt-tab?
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[19:49] <achiang> mterry: i guess the old behavior was alt-click
[19:50] <jbrett> achiang is asking because I asked him in another channel. :)
[19:50] <mterry> achiang, there are a few patches against compiz adding alt-click in LP
[19:50] <achiang> mterry: ah, nice! so currently known to not work?
[19:50] <mterry> achiang, yeah
[19:51] <achiang> mterry: do you happen to have the bug # handy? then jbrett can go subscribe
[19:51] <jbrett> mterry: is that by design, or a bug?
[19:52] <mterry> achiang, jbrett: bug 881329 and bug 880672
[19:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881329 in compiz "Alt+click should raise with raise-on-click disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881329
[19:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 880672 in unity "Clicking panel should raise maximised window with raise-on-click disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880672
[19:52] <mterry> jbrett, likely a bug
[19:52] <achiang> mterry: woot, thanks
[19:52] <mterry> an overlooked use case
[19:52] <jbrett> mterry: thx!
[20:05] <dobey> hrmm
[20:19] <jbrett> wow, this whole global/galactic menu thing really sucks, especially with focus-follows-mouse turned on.
[20:20] <jbrett> by the time I navigate across my screen to get to the menu bar, I've usually inadvertently passed over some other window, so I get the wrong menu.
[20:20] <jbrett> double-lose..
[20:37] <mterry> jbrett, yeah, focus-follows-mouse is rough.  I think there are existing bugs/thoughts on solving it.  But I don't know those bug numbers off hand like I did the alt-click ones
[20:37] <jbrett> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/674138
[20:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 674138 in unity ""Global" appmenu breaks sloppy focus" [Low,Won't fix]
[20:37] <jbrett> :)
[20:37] <mterry> there ya go
[20:38] <jbrett> looks like the only way to make it usable for now is "apt-get purge appmenu\*" :(
[20:39] <jbrett> I'm trying really hard not to just disable stuff I dislike at first (like the GM), as I assume there was some thought and effort put into it, and once I get over the "this isn't the same as what I'm used to" stage, I might actually like it :)
[20:39] <jbrett> but I'm not finding another way around this one, if it's marked "won't fix"..
[20:54] <desrt> ronoc: yo
[20:54] <ronoc> desrt, hey
[20:54] <ronoc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed
[20:55] <desrt> 'debian it not work good on my PC'
[22:20] <m4n1sh> I keep getting "totem-playlist.h:65:2: error: unknown type name 'GtkVBox'" everytime I try to build totem
[22:20] <m4n1sh> anyone else getting it
[22:20] <m4n1sh> is this something to do with dependency not being correct?
[22:24] <RAOF> m4n1sh: Is that in a build chroot?  It sounds like a missing #include, missing dependency, or (least likely) GtkVBox being removed after deprecation.
[22:25] <m4n1sh> RAOF: not doing on a chroot
[22:25] <m4n1sh> doing it in a clean vm
[22:26] <m4n1sh> did a build-dep totem
[22:26] <m4n1sh> and then installed valac and libzeitgeist-dev to enable a plugin which is a soft-dep
[22:26] <m4n1sh> RAOF: I got this version from ubuntu's version
[22:27] <m4n1sh> I guess there is a downstream patch
[22:27] <RAOF> Possibly, but that seems strange.
[22:28] <m4n1sh> nope. not available
[22:28] <m4n1sh> initially it failed to build on oneiric
[22:28] <m4n1sh> so i tried on a clean chroot using pbuilder
[22:28] <m4n1sh> failed
[22:28] <m4n1sh> and then now trying in a vm
[22:29] <m4n1sh> apt-get build-dep should install all the dependencies
[22:29] <jbicha> are you using any PPAs? it's totem you're trying to build, right?
[22:31] <m4n1sh> jbicha: yes
[22:31] <m4n1sh> not using any PPA on a fresh vm
[22:32] <jbicha> which version of totem?
[22:32] <m4n1sh> the one present in oneiric
[22:32] <m4n1sh> got it using apt-get source
[22:32] <m4n1sh> output where it fails
[22:32] <m4n1sh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/719251/
[22:33] <m4n1sh> jbicha: if I remember, you take care of totem
[22:35] <jbicha> m4n1sh: not exactly, but I did do the last upload a week ago; I'm not sure what's wrong with your setup
[22:36] <jbicha> do you know how to use sbuild or pbuilder?
[22:36] <m4n1sh> yes
[22:36] <m4n1sh> I did that too
[22:36] <m4n1sh> failed
[22:36] <m4n1sh> that is what troubling me
[22:36] <m4n1sh> doing it in a clean chrooted environment should be fine
[22:39] <RAOF> It's just built successfully for me.
[22:40] <m4n1sh> :(
[22:41] <jbicha> m4n1sh: ask your computer's manufacturer for a refund! ;)
[22:42] <m4n1sh> jbicha: :)
[22:42] <m4n1sh> there is a package named libtotem-plparser-dev
[22:42] <m4n1sh> jbicha: is this the cause of the problem?
[22:43] <m4n1sh> grr. it is already installed
[22:43] <jbicha> m4n1sh: you can compare with the build logs at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/3.0.1-0ubuntu7.1
[23:31] <dobey> m4n1sh: do you have the build flag enabled which disables the usage of deprecated APIs in GTK?
[23:31] <m4n1sh> dobey: nope
[23:31] <m4n1sh> now I checked. it works fine in chrooted environment
[23:31] <m4n1sh> but not on my dev machine
[23:32] <dobey> m4n1sh: are you *sure* about that? it sounds like your problem is exactly that
[23:32] <m4n1sh> I have gnome2 enabled too
[23:32] <m4n1sh> dobey: but I also had it running on a fresh oneiric install
[23:32] <m4n1sh> inside a vm
[23:32] <dobey> m4n1sh: no CFLAGS env var set or anything?
[23:32] <m4n1sh> nope
[23:32] <m4n1sh> got a fresh oneiric vm
[23:32] <m4n1sh> apt-get build-dep totem
[23:33] <m4n1sh> and got 2 more -dev packages
[23:33] <m4n1sh> and tried building
[23:33] <m4n1sh> failed
[23:36] <RAOF> dobey: Is GtkVBox deprecated?
[23:36] <m4n1sh> it does show in Gtk3
[23:36] <dobey> yes
[23:36] <bryceh> bugs #876711 850749 872932 873191  are all broken brightness functionality, mostly starting around a couple weeks ago.  anyone recognize that offhand?  known gnome-power-manager issue?
[23:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 876711 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Screen brightness resets to minimized when screen turns off" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876711
[23:37] <RAOF> Ah, I clearly need to revise my Gtk :)
[23:37] <m4n1sh> RAOF: dobey: install the package libgtk-3-dev and check  /usr/include/gtk-3.0/gtk/gtkvbox.h
[23:38] <m4n1sh> I hope this is the correct dev package
[23:38] <dobey> m4n1sh: check it for what? it's there, but it's deprecated
[23:38] <m4n1sh> dobey: then what is the -dev package for gtk?
[23:38] <dobey> m4n1sh: what do you mean?
[23:39] <m4n1sh> means totem is dependent on gtk
[23:39] <m4n1sh> libgtk-3.0
[23:39] <dobey> VBox is deprecated
[23:39] <m4n1sh> so to compile totem
[23:39] <m4n1sh> gtk's development headers need to be there
[23:39] <dobey> yes, and apparently is using deprecated API
[23:39] <dobey> yes, and you had the totem-dev package installed without the gtk-dev package?
[23:41] <m4n1sh> ?
[23:41] <m4n1sh> didnt understand
[23:42] <dobey> you had the totem development stuff installed, but it didn't pull in the ones that totem depends on (ie gtk+)?
[23:43] <m4n1sh> yes
[23:43] <m4n1sh> i installed totem build-deps
[23:53] <RAOF> Mmmmm.  Non-deterministic kernel panics on boot.  This laptop really has had a bad week. :(