=== yofel_ is now known as yofel === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle === Mkaysi|ZNC is now known as Mkaysi === arun__ is now known as arun_ === doko_ is now known as doko === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === Mkaysi|ZNC is now known as Mkaysi [14:58] o/ [14:59] o/~ [15:00] alright [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started Tue Oct 25 15:00:56 2011 UTC. The chair is jono. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [15:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:01] welcome everyone to the Canonical Community Team meeting [15:01] our second IRC meeting! [15:01] as usual, we will spin through some round-tables first, and this time I will ask if there are any questions at the end of each roundtable [15:01] we will then propose and discuss any agenda items [15:02] feel free to chip in and ask questions or make comments [15:02] dholbach, want to get this party started? [15:02] sure [15:02] :-) [15:02] • dev survey: done with report: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/11.10-dev-docs-survey.pdf - wanted to have jono have a second look over it before publishing it [15:02] • uds: set up blueprints, some still left to file [15:02] • fixed sponsoring stats "hours in queue" script, unfortunately old data was broken for a while, had to restart with new data [15:02] • did some sponsoring (with the useful side-benefit to test the above script) [15:02] • CC handover completed [15:02] • tried to get hold of Emmet: found out he's ill and taking a break [15:02] • catch up call with Jono [15:02] • started estimating required time for projects for 12.04 to better plan [15:02] • noticed less activity in the ubuntu packaging guide, blogged about it and had 3 merge proposals coming in [15:02] • weekly dev update [15:02] • the usual big heaps of this and that [15:03] ahh so we made contact with Emmet? [15:03] that's good to hear [15:03] any questions for dholbach? [15:04] I got in touch with somebody who did, but yes :) [15:04] cool :-) [15:05] ok, no questions [15:05] dholbach is off the hook [15:05] :-) [15:05] next up, dpm! [15:05] o/ [15:05] * 2 Ubuntu Open Week talks: [15:06] - How to get started translating Ubuntu [15:06] - How to write your first app [15:06] People seemed to get quite excited about the second one, especially when they found out that they had created an app and it was working :) [15:06] * Finished off 12.04 roadmap [15:06] * dholbach hugs dpm [15:06] :) [15:06] * Filed all blueprints for UDS [15:06] * Call with skaet and jibel to discuss localized ISOs pre-UDS [15:07] * Started a conversation with chriscoulson, pitti and others to find a solution for Thunderbird translations not being installed automatically in oneiric [15:07] what is the current status on the localized ISOs? [15:07] The tools are there, they need wider testing and we need to figure out a policy for publishing the isos [15:08] I filed a blueprint to tackle those at UDS [15:08] and from my testing, the tools are working [15:08] awesome! [15:08] OEM tested them too to generate their Chinese ISO, [15:08] but they ended up doing more customizations on top of that [15:09] sounds good [15:09] ok, next: [15:09] * Reviewed language pack update schedule for Oneiric (created by TLE) [15:09] * Helped the web design team organizing some translations [15:09] for a part of the website [15:10] (this is not about ubuntu.com becoming translated) [15:10] * Prepared lightning talks and community app developer plans in preparation for the Consumer Software sprint next Thursday [15:10] * Updated the API docs publisher script on developer.ubuntu.com to be more clever guessing the type of document published and be more automatic [15:10] * Could then publish the utouch-qml API documentation as a result of that work [15:11] * Updated the developer.ubuntu.com/api page links and restructured the layout [15:11] I think that was mostly me this week [15:12] thanks dpm [15:12] so why are Thunderbird translations not being automatically imported? [15:13] dpm ^ [15:13] jono, for one Launchpad does not support their format, but the main issue seems to be with installing them (we get them from upstream and package them): [15:13] so the current package containing translations [15:14] ahhh gotcha [15:14] seems to have a dependency problem [15:14] what is the plan to solve the issue? [15:14] we're still talking about it, but it seems that one way to go forward is to update update-manager [15:14] so that [15:15] it explicitly checks for missing language packs when installing Thunderbird [15:15] gotcha [15:15] thanks dpm [15:15] and then goes and install them [15:15] any questions for dpm? [15:16] alrighty! [15:16] hmm where is Jorge? [15:17] I just pinged him [15:17] no response [15:18] ok I will go next [15:18] I had a few days off last week on Thu and Fri [15:18] although spent it recording and writing [15:18] we have had a few changes recently: [15:18] * Ahmed Kamal resigned last week and Jorge is now taking over his role as Ubuntu Cloud Community Coordinator - I will be backfilling for an Upstream Coordinator - more on this soon. Jorge's focus in this cycle will be on growing a charms community and growing cloud.ubuntu.com [15:18] we wish Ahmed the best for the future [15:19] * As mentioned last week, Eric Ward decided his new role was not for him, and I will be recruiting a QA Community Coordinator. More on this soon too. [15:19] - Final UDS organizational bits and pieces [15:19] getting everyone to finalize their sessions [15:19] getting the Community track sessions for our team finalized and registered - everything appears to be in order now [15:19] scheduling a Qt Q+A session [15:19] Leadership Mini Conf scheduled and ready to roll [15:19] - been talking with the design team about increased community participation via 'experience' design and development [15:19] more on this at UDS [15:20] - spent some time this weekend summarizing the results of the Ubuntu Community Survey into the final report [15:20] published the report on Sunday night, and response is generally very positive - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-results/ [15:20] I have started blogging each day about different aspects of the report - did the first one yesterday on Leadership - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community [15:20] oops [15:20] http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/24/ubuntu-community-survey-next-steps-leadership/ [15:20] - joined the Ubuntu Leadership Meeting and asked if they can help us with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity - the team is going to be able to help generate more content. [15:20] I appreciate the work done on the Community Survey! [15:21] thanks jbicha! [15:21] I think it is really going to help us fix some of these things [15:21] thanks to akgraner, Darkwing, and others who are going to help out with BuildingCommunity [15:21] - Synced up with Randall Ross - discussed growing leadership capacity in the community [15:22] I love Randall [15:22] - published the Ubuntu Accomplishments Spec at http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/10/25/ubuntu-accomplishments-system-spec/ and registered a blueprint [15:22] Met up with Mako last night for coffee, was great to catch up [15:22] it was awesome! [15:22] alourie, :-) [15:22] you are awesome, my friend :-) [15:22] I am taking off to Orlando today and will around a little less on IRC over the next few weeks [15:22] question about the accomplishments spec: shall I add a subpage with the ideas for accomplishments I put together together with the QA team? [15:23] dholbach, yeah, I wanted to discuss this as an agenda itme [15:23] item [15:23] that would be great [15:23] adding a todo item [15:23] thanks dholbach [15:23] lets discuss this more in a few mins [15:23] * dholbach nods [15:23] so any questions for me about these items? [15:23] jono: me ?? how so? :-) [15:23] @jono: thanks for the love. likewise <3 [15:23] rrnwexec: Error: "jono:" is not a valid command. [15:24] * jono hugs rrnwexec [15:24] haha :) [15:24] * dholbach hugs meetingology [15:24] jono is never a valid command [15:24] :-) [15:24] jono: thanks for the love. likewise <3 (yes, he's not a command, yet) [15:24] I have question about accomplishments [15:24] jono, I do have a question: [15:24] I'll let alourie go first [15:24] alourie, can you hold for a sec, I will raise an agenda item for that in a few mins [15:24] dpm, shoot [15:24] ok [15:25] I need to schedule 2 Qt sessions as per the conversations with the Nokia Qt team: [15:25] - Qt Roadmap [15:25] sure [15:25] - Qt integration with Ubuntu tools [15:25] You mentioned you created a blueprint for Qt Q+A [15:26] dpm, I didnt create a blueprint yet [15:26] I have been talking with Mikko [15:26] and it sounds like Mikko wants to do a Q+A [15:26] dpm, you look after the other Nokia requested sessions and I will set of Mikko's [15:27] jono, sounds good [15:27] thanks [15:27] dpm, oh, my bad [15:27] he wants a Qt Roadmap session [15:27] so it sounds like he will lead that one [15:27] who is leading the integration session? [15:27] jono, I'm assuming Adam Weinrich and the Qt engineers [15:28] I'll schedule the session for them and can help with leading the session [15:28] dpm, ok, can you follow up with Adam? [15:28] thanks! [15:28] jono, I did already [15:28] ok, so a few agenda items [15:28] thanks dpm! [15:29] first, dpm, dholbach, are your 12.04 blueprints all submitted? [15:29] jono, yes [15:29] jono, most, I still have a question - can we discuss after the meeting? [15:30] dholbach, sure [15:30] ok, so next agenda item is the Ubuntu Accomplishments Spec [15:30] great [15:30] alourie, you had a question? [15:31] yes [15:31] I already have ideas around accomplishments [15:32] how can I contribute them? [15:32] and how can I participate? [15:32] (the spec page is immutable, so no comments could be made there) [15:32] oh! [15:33] so when we first discussed the idea, we documented a bunch of different types of accomplishments [15:33] and I asked dholbach to generate a list [15:33] oh it can't be edited [15:33] let me check [15:33] sure [15:33] and there's a funny mistake :-) [15:33] you should be able to edit it [15:33] according to the current spec, dholbach will get all the trophies :-) [15:33] haha [15:33] well-deserved, if I might add [15:34] :-P [15:34] lol [15:34] sure [15:34] dholbach, can you edit the page? [15:34] hang on [15:34] the spec looks editable [15:34] sagaci, thanks [15:34] alourie, so I recommend dholbach lists all the accomplishments we sketched out first [15:34] yep, confirmed [15:34] and then lets you know so you can expand on them [15:34] sound good? [15:35] I'll do that today - let's see how long it takes me to massage them into moinmoin [15:35] it's under the Ubuntu UK flow example [15:35] "... a trophy called Joe S. CoreDeveloper Kudos - 2nd September 2011 and this will appear in Daniel Holbach’s trophy cabinet"... [15:35] dholbach: deserved indeed :-) [15:35] thanks dholbach [15:35] would be cool to show the dependency chain still [15:35] alourie: make sure you're logged into the wiki to edit [15:35] i.e. this accomplishment is unlocked when this one is completed [15:35] ah...the magic of login [15:35] :-) [15:35] so alourie, are you interested in coding this? [15:36] dholbach, maybe if you could create a sub-page listing all the accomplishments, and another sub-page for development and project management discussion [15:37] sure [15:37] awesome! [15:37] alright [15:38] any more business? [15:38] yep [15:38] →→→ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay ←←← [15:38] ahhh yeah [15:38] please all raise awareness and participate! :) [15:38] I read about this [15:38] looks awesome [15:38] it's awesome [15:38] I think this is a *really cool* idea [15:38] was great to see bkerensa's post on it on Planet [15:38] and next week....UDS! woo! [15:39] yeah :) [15:39] ok, folks, let's wrap it [15:39] thanks for joining us! [15:39] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:39] Meeting ended Tue Oct 25 15:39:08 2011 UTC. [15:39] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-25-15.00.moin.txt [15:39] thanks everyone [15:39] ok then, I'll talk directly do dholbach about the ideas [15:39] is it ok, Daniel? [15:40] jono: coding maybe [15:40] and everything else too [15:40] alourie, sure - although I'm probably not the best person to talk to about the infrastructure [15:41] dholbach: no, not infrastracture, the accomplishment scenarios [15:41] my input was very general back then and mostly consisted in bringing people's ideas for accomplishments into a digestible form [15:41] ok [15:41] ok [15:41] I'll let you know when I added the ideas to the wiki [15:41] sure [15:41] leave it open for comments then [16:00] o/ [16:00] hi [16:00] o/ [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started Tue Oct 25 16:01:06 2011 UTC. The chair is Daviey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [16:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [16:01] o. [16:01] o/ [16:01] o/ [16:01] \o === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [16:02] #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [16:02] ALL: review http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html and make known any other bugs that need to be added to the list. [16:02] So.. i didn't get much feedback from this item.. [16:03] we'll come back to this [16:03] #topic smb, jamespage, hggdh to work on triaging bug 790712 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: smb, jamespage, hggdh to work on triaging bug 790712 [16:04] Launchpad bug 790712 in linux (Ubuntu Precise) "20110531 i386 server ISO: order 5 allocation failure during install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790712 [16:04] Did this make any progress? [16:04] I don't think so [16:05] (well at least not from me) [16:05] we'll come back to that then, later on :( [16:05] #topic utlemming to figure out qemu image situation (carry-over) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: utlemming to figure out qemu image situation (carry-over) [16:05] utlemming isn't present. [16:06] #topic === Topic unset by meetingology on #ubuntu-meeting [16:06] #topic Precise Development === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Precise Development [16:06] Merge and sync difference is looking good, we seem on target. [16:06] Specific issues being tracked: [16:06] http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html [16:06] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+specs?role=assignee [16:06] :) [16:06] Shall we come back to specs? [16:07] bug 881464, anyone want to handle an MIR? [16:07] Launchpad bug 881464 in keystone (Ubuntu) "[MIR] keystone" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881464 [16:07] \o [16:07] did utlemming just raise his hand in response to "anyone want to handle an MIR?" [16:07] i think he did. [16:07] utlemming: Have you handled a MIR before? [16:08] ah....that's what I get for showing up late to a meeting [16:08] Daviey: heh thats on my list for the openstack spec [16:08] * Daviey assigns utlemming, if you have any questions - fire them to zul :) [16:08] if someone is looking for MIRs we have a bunch for spice dependencies :( [16:08] you're bringing donuts next week also. [16:08] bug 858878 , rbasak - status? [16:09] and on laundry duty [16:09] Launchpad bug 858878 in cobbler (Ubuntu Precise) "lack of csrf protection in cobbler-web" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/858878 [16:09] it looks like it'd be a fairly extensive patch, and I found another security issue which I need to check as well. cobbler-web doesn't seem to have been written with security in mind [16:10] rbasak: well it is a django app :) [16:10] rbasak: that might have to be our approach [16:10] zul: that is crap, django can be secure. [16:10] Daviey: joking [16:10] it seems to be using GET requests with side effects too [16:10] rbasak: Do you want to take the discussion to upstream? [16:10] though I need to verify this [16:10] Daviey: yes [16:10] cool [16:11] zul: [16:11] jamespage: bug 801494 , we were waiting to see if it was a udev issue - any news that you know of? [16:11] Launchpad bug 801494 in Ubuntu Precise "Multi part LVM layout: system fails to boot due to missing volumes" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801494 [16:11] is the latest release/checkout/branch from the cobbler repo with these security issues? [16:11] well the general opinion is that it is [16:11] but that said I can't actually reproduce anymore [16:11] jamespage: do you know if the discussion is ongoing? Are we likely to get a fix for a1? [16:12] jamespage: Ooo [16:12] that sounds good. [16:12] jamespage: can you confirm that you cannot reproduce it this week? [16:12] yes [16:12] (difficult question, i know) [16:12] bug 858883, nobody assigned [16:12] Launchpad bug 858883 in cobbler (Ubuntu Precise) ""Management Parameters" (for example a system) which can be set in the web interface can result in arbitrary code execution on the host due to the use of yaml.loads instead of yaml.safe_loads in item.py on line 248: " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/858883 [16:13] rbasak: is this one that would be good to include in the discussion upstream? [16:13] for a general security discussion, yes, although it looks like this one *is* a simple one line patch [16:13] oh good. [16:13] rbasak: can you take ownership of that? :) [16:14] OK [16:14] bug 862558, no assignee - adam_g, is this something you want? [16:14] Launchpad bug 862558 in cobbler-enlist (Ubuntu Precise) "cobbler-enlist is not checking for return codes enough" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/862558 [16:14] Daviey: yes [16:14] and the other cobbler-enlist one, too [16:14] assigned. :) [16:15] ty sir [16:15] lynxman: bug 874981, status? [16:15] Launchpad bug 874981 in mcollective (Ubuntu) "Please merge/sync mcollective from debian wheezy" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874981 [16:15] Daviey: in progress, activemq is working, just need ot merge, will be done in the next 2 days tops, I'm finishing a whitepaper first that has higher priority from my boss :( [16:16] rocking! thanks for your help lynxman [16:16] Daviey: pleased to help :) [16:16] bug 875818, blocked on MIR team review [16:16] Launchpad bug 875818 in libnetfilter-conntrack (Ubuntu) "[mir] libnetfilter-conntrack" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875818 [16:16] hallyn: bug 879636, status? [16:16] Launchpad bug 879636 in lxc (Ubuntu) "please merge lxc (0.7.5-3) from Debian unstable" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879636 [16:16] working [16:17] just looking through patches/, otherwise ready to build [16:17] hallyn: great, uploaded by Friday? [16:17] yup [16:17] rocking [16:17] thanks [16:17] mp [16:17] bug 879853 , zul - status? [16:17] Launchpad bug 879853 in munin (Ubuntu) "Munin upload 1.4.6-1ubuntu1 drops fixes / sponsor debdiff instead" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/879853 [16:17] Daviey: ill fix it up today [16:18] cool [16:18] utlemming: bug 870121, is now Fix Released for Precise daily? [16:18] Launchpad bug 870121 in Ubuntu Precise "APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists not set in cloud images" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870121 [16:18] yes sir [16:18] the latest images should be fixed [16:19] groovy, can you flip the status? Thanks [16:19] doing it now [16:19] bug 875262, koolhead17 was working on.. are you here? [16:19] Launchpad bug 875262 in php5 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/sqlite.so'" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875262 [16:19] Daviey: yes sir [16:19] (The issue is that sqlite.so is attempted to be loaded by php - but we don't build it anymore) [16:19] Someone has just posted a work around to include a sqlite.so *sigh* [16:20] koolhead17: How is the package looking? [16:20] Daviey: still compiling :( [16:20] koolhead17: heh, ok - thanks.. shout for help in #ubuntu-server if you need it.. thanks :) [16:20] bug 878597, smoser [16:20] Launchpad bug 878597 in rabbitmq-server (Ubuntu) "rabbitmq-server fails to uninstall" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878597 [16:21] smoser: how is it looking? [16:21] smoser: are you present? [16:22] i just pushed a branch [16:22] but i think lynxman is merging from debian [16:22] and i would suggest he just merge my branch in his upstream merge. [16:22] smoser: merged was done this morning [16:23] smoser: merged by zul then he got all my 2.6.1 already packagd plugins :) [16:23] oh. [16:23] does this mean the issue is fixed? [16:23] Or is smoser's fix needed to be re-based to current archive? [16:24] lynxman / zul ^^? [16:24] Daviey: i think it might need to be rebased [16:24] i'll rebase to current archive and upload [16:25] Yeah the issue wasn't solved in 2.6.1 debian [16:25] rocking [16:25] smoser: can we have that done by EoW? [16:25] bug 880339, needs a refresh profile - anyone want to tackle that? [16:25] Launchpad bug 880339 in mysql-5.1 (Ubuntu Precise) "AppArmor profile needs update" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/880339 [16:26] Daviey, for you, we can have it done today. [16:26] smoser: You rock my world, you know that? [16:27] (smoser, that is the apparmor issue?) [16:27] i was referring to rabbitmq [16:27] RoAkSoAx: is that something you want to tackle? [16:28] 10 second rules is acceptance, right? [16:28] 3 [16:28] 2 [16:28] 1 [16:28] RoAkSoAx assigned [16:28] Done! [16:28] harsh [16:28] bug 876768, hallyn - how is it going? [16:28] Launchpad bug 876768 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] netcf" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876768 [16:29] it's on the back burner [16:29] i'll get to that again when i'm done with lxc and any new bugs [16:29] hallyn: For A1 or length of cycle? [16:29] what exactly? i'll have a package working for sid by end of week i hope [16:30] when will it be *in* sid? no idea :) [16:30] when i get that package, i'll do a new ubuntu package based on it, [16:30] and ask for that to be packaged in precise [16:30] all of that hopefully this week [16:30] Oh wow [16:30] better progress than i expected! [16:30] nice one hallyn [16:30] Daviey: smoser lol I cant take it though I wont work on it till probably EOW [16:30] or next week [16:31] That is all of our bugs on the list.. any others people are working on, or need to be targeted? [16:31] Daviey: i can also take bug 868492 [16:31] Launchpad bug 868492 in cobbler-enlist (Ubuntu) "cobbler-enlist needs to register all interfaces on system, as advertised" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868492 === TheDaniel0108 is now known as Daniel0107 === Daniel0107 is now known as Daniel0108 [16:31] Great! [16:31] Daviey: I'm done with 878180 [16:32]