| ubottu | In #kubuntu, maco said: ubottu: no !purekde is <reply> If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » | 00:52 |
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| maco | the wiki page is not kept up to date with psychocats. it's 2 years behind. no reason to bother linking to it when the actual source is correct and updated | 00:53 |
| pangolin | !purekde is <reply> If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » | 00:53 |
| ubottu | But purekde already means something else! | 00:53 |
| pangolin | !no purekde is <reply> If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » | 00:54 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that pangolin | 00:54 |
| pangolin | until someone decides to update the wiki | 00:54 |
| maco | id rather delete the wiki page | 00:54 |
| maco | there is no point in trying to keep the pages in sync | 00:54 |
| pangolin | I think the idea was to have factoids link to more "official" pages | 00:55 |
| maco | so make the wiki page a link to psychocats? | 00:55 |
| pangolin | that is a good idea too | 00:56 |
| maco | This is a landing page. The data you want is available from <link> | 00:56 |
| maco | probably annoying too though | 00:56 |
| pangolin | can't it redirect automagically | 00:56 |
| pangolin | ? | 00:57 |
| maco | if we had html or javascript... but i dont think it can redirect to anything other than other wiki pages | 00:57 |
| pangolin | linking to psychocats is fine by me. | 00:57 |
| maco | erm not normal html...the thing in <head> where you can redirect. i forget what its called | 00:58 |
| maco | a meta tag maybe | 00:58 |
| maco | but we cant edit the head anyway | 00:58 |
| Flannel | We've had psychocats links forever, they stay up to date, give a pretty balanced view, and give caveats (* acccurate as of the last time someone took the time to look) | 01:10 |
| pangolin | for what it is worth psychocats has never failed me when I have needed to to a pure*de cleanup | 01:11 |
| Flannel | Originally there were a few 'bad' pages, but the author was fairly receptive to criticism | 01:11 |
| ubottu | attar called the ops in #ubuntu () | 02:02 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (fargo appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) | 06:33 |
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| jrib | I have to leave in a bit, but someone should keep an eye out for more ban evasion from fuzzylogic | 11:48 |
| Pici | I'll try, but no promises. | 11:49 |
| Pici | !helpersnack | mneptok | 15:11 |
| ubottu | mneptok: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! | 15:11 |
| mneptok | ubottu !c is for cookie! that's good enough for me! | 15:12 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: ubottu !c is for cookie! that's good enough for me! | 15:12 |
| mneptok | (C is also for escaping lower level languages, but cookie monsters always use ASM, so ...) | 15:13 |
| Myrtti | right | 15:13 |
| Myrtti | at this point the discussion at #ubuntu reaches my break point | 15:13 |
| * mneptok is still 2 inputlines away from that point | 15:14 | |
| mneptok | oh! i have to go uncover and wake pet birds! i get to bail, GUILT-FREE! | 15:15 |
| * mneptok tootles off | 15:15 | |
| genii-around | It sucks that now the cookie monster can't just go crazy with the cookie-eating. They had to get responsible and make cookies a "sometimes snack". Watching him eat broccoli or so just isn't the same | 15:15 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (pikaciu appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) | 17:24 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (pikaciu appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) | 17:24 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (pikaciu appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) | 17:25 |
| guntbert | hi, after some talk with ikonia we both agreed that !java could use a better/different wording, after some thinking I found something I like better | 19:47 |
| guntbert | no !java is To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. | 19:47 |
| LjL | !java | 20:09 |
| ubottu | To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://goo.gl/zwOip - For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. | 20:09 |
| LjL | guntbert: is help.ubuntu.com up to date there now? i think that other page was put there because it was a bit crap | 20:09 |
| genii-around | And of course it's not even in the repos at all anymore so the current factoid is useless | 20:10 |
| guntbert | genii-around: it is not in the partner repos any more? | 20:10 |
| genii-around | Nope | 20:10 |
| LjL | uh, so people are just not supposed to use Java anymore, instead go with one of the half-working third-party implementations... or what? | 20:11 |
| guntbert | LjL: I'm not *that* sure about up-to-datedness | 20:11 |
| guntbert | but it mentions lucid... | 20:12 |
| LjL | it's all a bit sad. the wiki, the repos... :\ | 20:13 |
| LjL | oh well | 20:15 |
| LjL | !no java is <reply> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. | 20:15 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: !no java is <reply> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. | 20:15 |
| * Pici elects LjL as wiki champion | 20:15 | |
| LjL | @login | 20:15 |
| ubottu | The operation succeeded. | 20:15 |
| LjL | !no java is <reply> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. | 20:15 |
| genii-around | There is a sun java for 11.10 in a PPA | 20:15 |
| Pici | That doesn't sound legal. | 20:16 |
| Pici | 16:16:17 <axisys> how do I install sun java ? | 20:16 |
| guntbert | LjL: thx - I'll be on my way again :) | 20:16 |
| LjL | Pici: i have worked on the wiki a bit before, but honestly i guess the thing is that once it becomes very outdated (and for some reason it has become so), few people will even bother trying to fix it | 20:17 |
| LjL | i'm hardly going to overhaul a wiki that's all about Lucid and earlier myself | 20:18 |
| LjL | guntbert: yeah i know, it's not been changed. bot hates me :( | 20:18 |
| guntbert | back again - LjL your edit didn't take it seems | 20:18 |
| LjL | try now | 20:18 |
| guntbert | :) | 20:18 |
| guntbert | well done - bye | 20:19 |
| topyli | i'm pretty sure i have sun java, from the canonical partner repo | 21:03 |
| genii-around | topyli: Sure it's not openjdk-7-jre from universe instead? | 21:14 |
| topyli | i'm pretty sure it's sun java. let me check | 21:15 |
| topyli | yes sun-java6 packages | 21:16 |
| genii-around | topyli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/719192/ | 21:18 |
| topyli | genii-around: i don't know. maybe you don't have the canonical partner repo enabled | 21:24 |
| * topyli tries to look again | 21:24 | |
| genii-around | topyli: See lines 25,32,33... | 21:25 |
| topyli | archive.canonical.com - is that supposed to be it? | 21:25 |
| genii-around | Yup | 21:25 |
| genii-around | You likely have the remnants from when you installed on 10.04 or so | 21:25 |
| topyli | i don't know what's going on then. i certainly got mine from there, i didn't go to oracle | 21:26 |
| topyli | http://paste.ubuntu.com/719205/ | 21:29 |
| Myrtti | ooer | 21:30 |
| topyli | i don't otherwise even care, but i happen to be a customer of a very stupid bank which has hanged itself into sun's stupid java | 21:31 |
| ikonia | it's a major issue for one of my clients who's application is only certified with Sun java | 21:38 |
| topyli | ikonia: that's the case with my bank too. they just won't work with icedtea | 22:05 |
| ikonia | topyli: this is a major telephony infrastructure provider, it was looking at bundling a linux workstation as part of it's managment tools install. | 22:07 |
| topyli | well, sun java is available. it's just an annoyance, shouldn't stop you | 22:08 |
| Pici | s/sun/oracle/ | 22:08 |
| topyli | Pici: the java is still called sun java :) | 22:08 |
| Pici | :( | 22:08 |
| ikonia | topyli: well, it will stop ubuntu being an option (there where other issues too, but this is a show stopper) | 22:09 |
| ikonia | it's called Oracle java now | 22:09 |
| topyli | oh | 22:09 |
| ikonia | sad | 22:09 |
| topyli | the ubuntu package is still called sun-java* | 22:09 |
| ikonia | the little java man logo is dead | 22:09 |
| topyli | boo | 22:10 |
| ikonia | my heart is broken, the Sun logo was one of the best, the java man logo was fun, now it's just the cup of coffee or the oracle logo | 22:10 |
| topyli | i've never even cared much about java, in fact i've struggled with enough java apps which were terrible | 22:12 |
| topyli | but it's still sad to see it go like this | 22:12 |
| ikonia | heart breaking | 22:12 |
| topyli | sun's destiny as a whole is very sad | 22:13 |
| topyli | it's like a classic "rise and fall" story | 22:13 |
| topyli | not so many years ago, i was working on my university's sun workstations (and some irix ones too, for that matter). they were awesome. no more awesome unix workstations for topyli | 22:16 |
| topyli | just linux pc's | 22:16 |
| topyli | heh. i was no CS student or anything of course, i studied history. but i used to go to their computers and surf the web, and see how they work | 22:18 |
| topyli | we humanists just had dos and later win95 pc's. | 22:19 |
| topyli | at least dos worked, win95 taught me to save my documents often | 22:19 |
| topyli | bah, this is not a good channel for my nostalgia anyway. sorry | 22:20 |
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