[00:52] In #kubuntu, maco said: ubottu: no !purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » [00:53] the wiki page is not kept up to date with psychocats. it's 2 years behind. no reason to bother linking to it when the actual source is correct and updated [00:53] !purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » [00:53] But purekde already means something else! [00:54] !no purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » [00:54] I'll remember that pangolin [00:54] until someone decides to update the wiki [00:54] id rather delete the wiki page [00:54] there is no point in trying to keep the pages in sync [00:55] I think the idea was to have factoids link to more "official" pages [00:55] so make the wiki page a link to psychocats? [00:56] that is a good idea too [00:56] This is a landing page. The data you want is available from [00:56] probably annoying too though [00:56] can't it redirect automagically [00:57] ? [00:57] if we had html or javascript... but i dont think it can redirect to anything other than other wiki pages [00:57] linking to psychocats is fine by me. [00:58] erm not normal html...the thing in where you can redirect. i forget what its called [00:58] a meta tag maybe [00:58] but we cant edit the head anyway [01:10] We've had psychocats links forever, they stay up to date, give a pretty balanced view, and give caveats (* acccurate as of the last time someone took the time to look) [01:11] for what it is worth psychocats has never failed me when I have needed to to a pure*de cleanup [01:11] Originally there were a few 'bad' pages, but the author was fairly receptive to criticism [02:02] attar called the ops in #ubuntu () [06:33] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (fargo appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) === Guest27816 is now known as Mamarok [11:48] I have to leave in a bit, but someone should keep an eye out for more ban evasion from fuzzylogic [11:49] I'll try, but no promises. [15:11] !helpersnack | mneptok [15:11] mneptok: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [15:12] ubottu !c is for cookie! that's good enough for me! [15:12] In #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: ubottu !c is for cookie! that's good enough for me! [15:13] (C is also for escaping lower level languages, but cookie monsters always use ASM, so ...) [15:13] right [15:13] at this point the discussion at #ubuntu reaches my break point [15:14] * mneptok is still 2 inputlines away from that point [15:15] oh! i have to go uncover and wake pet birds! i get to bail, GUILT-FREE! [15:15] * mneptok tootles off [15:15] It sucks that now the cookie monster can't just go crazy with the cookie-eating. They had to get responsible and make cookies a "sometimes snack". Watching him eat broccoli or so just isn't the same [17:24] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (pikaciu appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) [17:24] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (pikaciu appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) [17:25] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (pikaciu appears to be flooding, but emergency mode is on) [19:47] hi, after some talk with ikonia we both agreed that !java could use a better/different wording, after some thinking I found something I like better [19:47] no !java is To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. [20:09] !java [20:09] To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://goo.gl/zwOip - For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. [20:09] guntbert: is help.ubuntu.com up to date there now? i think that other page was put there because it was a bit crap [20:10] And of course it's not even in the repos at all anymore so the current factoid is useless [20:10] genii-around: it is not in the partner repos any more? [20:10] Nope [20:11] uh, so people are just not supposed to use Java anymore, instead go with one of the half-working third-party implementations... or what? [20:11] LjL: I'm not *that* sure about up-to-datedness [20:12] but it mentions lucid... [20:13] it's all a bit sad. the wiki, the repos... :\ [20:15] oh well [20:15] !no java is To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. [20:15] In #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: !no java is To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. [20:15] * Pici elects LjL as wiki champion [20:15] @login [20:15] The operation succeeded. [20:15] !no java is To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software Development Kit" (SDK). Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations. [20:15] There is a sun java for 11.10 in a PPA [20:16] That doesn't sound legal. [20:16] 16:16:17 how do I install sun java ? [20:16] LjL: thx - I'll be on my way again :) [20:17] Pici: i have worked on the wiki a bit before, but honestly i guess the thing is that once it becomes very outdated (and for some reason it has become so), few people will even bother trying to fix it [20:18] i'm hardly going to overhaul a wiki that's all about Lucid and earlier myself [20:18] guntbert: yeah i know, it's not been changed. bot hates me :( [20:18] back again - LjL your edit didn't take it seems [20:18] try now [20:18] :) [20:19] well done - bye [21:03] i'm pretty sure i have sun java, from the canonical partner repo [21:14] topyli: Sure it's not openjdk-7-jre from universe instead? [21:15] i'm pretty sure it's sun java. let me check [21:16] yes sun-java6 packages [21:18] topyli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/719192/ [21:24] genii-around: i don't know. maybe you don't have the canonical partner repo enabled [21:24] * topyli tries to look again [21:25] topyli: See lines 25,32,33... [21:25] archive.canonical.com - is that supposed to be it? [21:25] Yup [21:25] You likely have the remnants from when you installed on 10.04 or so [21:26] i don't know what's going on then. i certainly got mine from there, i didn't go to oracle [21:29] http://paste.ubuntu.com/719205/ [21:30] ooer [21:31] i don't otherwise even care, but i happen to be a customer of a very stupid bank which has hanged itself into sun's stupid java [21:38] it's a major issue for one of my clients who's application is only certified with Sun java [22:05] ikonia: that's the case with my bank too. they just won't work with icedtea [22:07] topyli: this is a major telephony infrastructure provider, it was looking at bundling a linux workstation as part of it's managment tools install. [22:08] well, sun java is available. it's just an annoyance, shouldn't stop you [22:08] s/sun/oracle/ [22:08] Pici: the java is still called sun java :) [22:08] :( [22:09] topyli: well, it will stop ubuntu being an option (there where other issues too, but this is a show stopper) [22:09] it's called Oracle java now [22:09] oh [22:09] sad [22:09] the ubuntu package is still called sun-java* [22:09] the little java man logo is dead [22:10] boo [22:10] my heart is broken, the Sun logo was one of the best, the java man logo was fun, now it's just the cup of coffee or the oracle logo [22:12] i've never even cared much about java, in fact i've struggled with enough java apps which were terrible [22:12] but it's still sad to see it go like this [22:12] heart breaking [22:13] sun's destiny as a whole is very sad [22:13] it's like a classic "rise and fall" story [22:16] not so many years ago, i was working on my university's sun workstations (and some irix ones too, for that matter). they were awesome. no more awesome unix workstations for topyli [22:16] just linux pc's [22:18] heh. i was no CS student or anything of course, i studied history. but i used to go to their computers and surf the web, and see how they work [22:19] we humanists just had dos and later win95 pc's. [22:19] at least dos worked, win95 taught me to save my documents often [22:20] bah, this is not a good channel for my nostalgia anyway. sorry