[03:17] <akk> bkerensa: When you talk to your friend with the UEFI problem, ask if the machine can still boot from USB. I'm curious.
[03:17] <akk> (If someone had a Secure Boot problem and couldn't load grub from the hard drive, they could carry around a tiny USB stick with grub on it, maybe.)
[04:30] <jyo> Hooray for the LoCo election?
[04:30] <pleia2> hah, we never have enough nominees :)
[04:31] <jyo> Go go jtatum this year? :)
[04:31] <pleia2> yay jtatum!
[04:46] <MarkDude> Who is the new lead?
[04:47] <MarkDude> jtatum, ? good choice- who else?
[04:47] <pleia2> MarkDude: details here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2011-October/001843.html
[04:47] <pleia2> no one yet, old terms havent expired :)
[04:52]  * MarkDude was not trying to push anyone out of course :)
[04:53] <MarkDude> no objections here. Jack was good, I was hoping to have another person to fill his spot to ALSO have a first name that starts with J
[04:53] <MarkDude> That was my main requirement :)
[04:55] <pleia2> lol
[04:57] <MarkDude> Oh wait. I wanted to recall Darkwing - for ignoring the duck within
[04:59] <MarkDude> I mean sure Disney could sue him out of house and home- he should have taken the dumb, idealogical stance and explained to his kids why they no longer licked Mickey
[04:59] <pleia2> licked?
[05:00] <MarkDude> uh liked
[05:00] <MarkDude> :)
[05:00] <pleia2> disney land must be very different than disney world...
[05:00] <pleia2> oh :)
[05:00] <MarkDude> Much smaller
[05:00] <pleia2> reminds me, I am going to disney world this week \o/
[05:07] <bkerensa> akk: Will do
[05:07] <bkerensa> =o
[05:07]  * bkerensa spoke to soon
[05:08] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Are you a LoCo player?
[05:08] <bkerensa> :D
[05:08]  * bkerensa is semi-annoyed with Google's new Authorship Markup
[05:09] <MarkDude> player?
[05:09]  * MarkDude is more pimp, playa, hustla
[05:10] <MarkDude> rumor has it that is how Lyz got her nick - the Star Wars thing was a ruse
[05:10] <pleia2> oh not you too :)
[05:10] <MarkDude> lol
[05:11] <MarkDude> Either that or when I am in Hayward - I see Playa street, and think of beaches
[05:12] <bkerensa> =:o
[05:12]  * bkerensa loves it when people reshare his post and then people leave trollish comments demanding me to swiftly addresss their concerns elsewhere
[05:12] <bkerensa> :P
[05:12] <bkerensa> the pitch forks are out :D sharks are a circling
[05:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know if webdav encrypts data or passes it is plaintext?
[05:16] <pleia2> bkerensa: not a clue, sorry
[05:16] <bkerensa> kk
[05:16] <broder> bkerensa: i wouldn't expect webdav to at the protocol level
[05:16] <broder> i'd expect that you'd do it over ssl
[05:17] <bkerensa> broder: Ok... I had connected to my box.net account via WebDav in nautilus
[05:17] <bkerensa> and if I'm mobile (not at home) I dont really wanna transmit via a protocol in plaintext
[05:17] <bkerensa> :P
[05:18] <bkerensa> But I do wanna be able to mount it some how securely
[05:18] <broder> bkerensa: are you using http:// or https://?
[05:19] <bkerensa> webdav://
[05:19] <MarkDude> bkerensa, haters gonna hate, trolls gonna get erased
[05:19] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Nah its ok... I approved the comment and kindly thanked him for his two cents
[05:19] <bkerensa> :P
[05:20] <MarkDude> That works
[05:20] <bkerensa> pleia2: Xubuntu seems to be more popular via torrent then Ubuntu or other variants
[05:20] <bkerensa> :D
[05:20] <bkerensa> atleast my client is seeding xubuntu the most
[05:21]  * MarkDude caalls that the jo no method. He is very casual with the people that try to sucker him into bikeshedding
[05:21] <broder> bkerensa: what if you try just doing https:// instead of webdav://?
[05:21] <bkerensa> broder: Ill try that right now
[05:21] <bkerensa> :D
[05:22] <bkerensa> broder: Also I need to edit fstab to make it mount everytime right?
[05:22] <bkerensa> well or I could make a bash script and have it run after login
[05:24] <bkerensa> MarkDude: You ever gonna grab MarkTerranova.com from me ;)
[05:25] <MarkDude> Oh yes
[05:25] <MarkDude> I need that link again
[05:26] <MarkDude> that was saved in my archived F15 I killed
[05:26] <bkerensa> :D
[05:49] <Faqtotum> webdav has webd feet
[05:52] <MarkDude> quack
[05:56] <Faqtotum> damn it, jim. i'm a duck, not a doctor.
[05:59] <nhaines> bkerensa: webdav is in plaintext and you use webdav over SSL for encryption.
[05:59] <nhaines> bkerensa: and you can try davs://
[06:00] <bkerensa> oh
[06:00] <bkerensa> ok :D
[15:26] <BotenAnna> idk what webdav even is. going to its page it looks like what if wikipedia was invented in 1991
[15:41] <MarkDude> San Jose meetup today. Geekbeat.tv Cali Lewis
[15:42] <MarkDude> http://lividlobster.com/2011/10/15/san-francisco-viewer-meetup-limited-space/
[16:02] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: it's a filesystem over http
[16:03] <BotenAnna> collaborative filewiki editing 2.0 in the cloud!
[16:03] <BotenAnna> synergize!
[16:05] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: it's apple's de facto half-assed alternative to samba
[16:13] <MarkDude> samba apple
[16:14] <MarkDude> They arent related?
[16:15] <Faqtotum> samba is a gnu/linux thing
[16:37] <jdeslip> Got a question for everyone.  Is there a command that returns just the name of the current directory
[16:38] <jdeslip> instead of pwd which gives the whole path
[16:41] <akk> I don't know of one command, but you could do pwd | sed 's_.*/__'
[16:41] <akk> er, nix that, basename `pwd`  is better
[16:45] <nhaines> akk: I didn't know about basename! +1
[16:46] <akk> nhaines: it's handy! dirname does the opposite, if you need both parts.
[16:46] <nhaines> ooh.
[16:58] <jtatum> Faqtotum: webdav is from apple?
[16:58] <Faqtotum> no, but they adopted it for that purpose
[16:59] <jtatum> hm… i thought afp was for that purpose :)
[17:00] <Faqtotum> they used to use afp on their public servers but discontinued that in favor of webdav, back in the 10.3 era
[17:01] <jtatum> ah.. mobileme or some such?
[17:02] <Faqtotum> including that
[17:02] <jtatum> well, that kinda makes sense. wouldn't want to use smb/nfs/afp to publish anything over the internet
[17:02] <jtatum> whereas webdav is actually made for that purpose
[17:42] <jdeslip> akk: thanks!
[19:38] <BotenAnna> btw everyone
[19:38] <BotenAnna> if you dont have an askubuntu account
[19:38] <BotenAnna> well, wtf is wrong with you 8)
[19:38] <MarkDude> lol
[19:39] <BotenAnna> askubuntu owns if you have questions ask me it is the only ubuntu thing i do because it is cool!!
[19:39]  * MarkDude has a long list of things that is wrong with him....
[19:39] <MarkDude> :D
[19:39] <BotenAnna> and you can even sign up with your launchpad account (LIKE I DID) so no excuses!!!
[19:39] <pleia2> the most common complaints are closed source, run by a company and it lacks translations
[19:40] <BotenAnna> still, there's nothing quite like it yet
[19:40] <BotenAnna> and i havent seen anything more capable of providing such high quality answers
[19:40] <BotenAnna> and so quickly, too
[19:41] <BotenAnna> and in a very google-friendly way, idk how many times i've come across a stack exchange site on a search result and it's been helpful
[19:41] <BotenAnna> like, a lot :)
[19:42] <BotenAnna> if they turn totes evil or whatever it wouldn't take us long to make an OSS version of it so I'm only minorly concerned about the closed source thing
[19:43] <pleia2> there is already an open source implementation that debian uses, ubuntu decided not to
[19:43] <pleia2> http://ask.debian.net/
[19:43] <pleia2> Shapado
[19:43] <BotenAnna> other than the broken images everywhere that's not too bad haha
[19:44] <BotenAnna> this one is a bit more rough around the edges
[19:44] <BotenAnna> i can see why canonical said just go with the pretty one :3
[19:45] <pleia2> it was a guy on the community team at canonical, I don't think he did it as a canonical thing though
[19:45] <pleia2> it's a community maintained thing :)
[19:46] <BotenAnna> there's a link to askubuntu in the installer
[19:46] <BotenAnna> so someone did an official thing
[19:46] <pleia2> the installer is developed by the community too!
[19:46] <BotenAnna> thats how i found out about it
[19:46] <pleia2> community is official, canonical is a company that handles trademarks and invests in ubuntu
[19:47] <BotenAnna> I'd assume canonical was the one that said "yeah go ahead and do that with the branding in the installer" but I am not aware of the details of the sausage-making process, ha
[19:47] <pleia2> developers on Ubuntu can be anyone, they don't need to be canonical employees, and they all make decisions together (there are some major decisions that Mark as project leader makes, like switch to Unity)
[19:47] <BotenAnna> esp since shuttleworth has been jobsing the h*ck out recently and obsessing over more UI kind of things
[19:48] <BotenAnna> ah the ubuntu shapado is mainly in spanish
[19:48] <BotenAnna> not surprising
[19:49] <pleia2> actually, he's not the CEO anymore, I don't actually know if he's strictly a canonical employee
[19:49] <BotenAnna> lots of jobs besides CEO!
[19:49] <pleia2> yeah, I don't know if he has a title anymore :)
[19:50] <BotenAnna> On 17 December 2009 Mark announced that, effective March 2010, he would step down as CEO of Canonical to focus energy on product design, partnership and customers
[19:50] <BotenAnna> so basically
[19:50] <BotenAnna> he's being all Steve Jobs now
[19:52] <MarkDude> Mark S has better shirts tho ;)
[19:52] <BotenAnna> tell me about it
[19:52] <BotenAnna> like A FREAKING SPACE SUIT
[19:53] <pleia2> lol
[19:53] <BotenAnna> However, in an early 2009 New York Times article, Shuttleworth said that Canonical's revenue was "creeping" towards $30 million, the company's break-even point.[21]
[19:53] <MarkDude> Space ftw
[19:53] <BotenAnna> so is canonical making money yet? im p impressed if they are
[19:54] <pleia2> no, every time they get close they invest in something new
[19:54] <Faqtotum> they kinda have to
[19:55] <Faqtotum> it's not a tax shelter if it makes money
[19:55] <BotenAnna> lol
[19:56] <Faqtotum> i'm curious: is he chairman of the board?
[20:00] <BotenAnna> in other channels anna is in, a discussion of the male/female ratio of this picture http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Ubuntu_Developer_Summit_Natty.jpg
[20:01]  * pleia2 missed the Natty UDS
[20:01] <BotenAnna> mostly i find it amusing that there is a higher concentration of girls near the front....
[20:02] <BotenAnna> they thought i wouldn't notice and would get tricked into participating!!!
[20:02] <pleia2> the ubuntu women project has done a lot to encourage women to go, we have a whole page about it on our wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UDS
[20:03] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: there are none on stage-right
[20:04] <BotenAnna> there's a couple, there's the one looking down (and wearing a collar?) near the front, and on the very left edge of the photo, three near the edge
[20:04] <Faqtotum> nonsense. moobs.
[20:04] <BotenAnna> ugly girls are girls too!
[20:04] <Faqtotum> no one said anyone was ugly
[20:05] <Faqtotum> text humor fails.
[20:06] <BotenAnna> well if ugly guys were dismissed from that picture... well i have bad news... ;)
[20:06] <Faqtotum> no one is left?
[20:06] <BotenAnna> basically~
[20:07] <Faqtotum> no surprise to me
[20:08] <Faqtotum> any male who is attractive has no business being in tech, regardless of ability or interest
[20:09]  * MarkDude thinks pic is better with women at front, maybe have jono move farther back also ;)
[20:09] <MarkDude> Faqtotum, So just because I am hot - I should not be here?
[20:09] <MarkDude> ^^^^ sarcasm font
[20:09] <MarkDude> :D
[20:11] <Faqtotum> MarkDude: you're strategically missing when things get really techy, so nya
[20:12] <MarkDude> Well yes, that is called the CM model
[20:12] <MarkDude> Community Manager
[20:12] <MarkDude> aaditya, pingy
[20:13] <BotenAnna> 20:08 < Faqtotum> any male who is attractive has no business being in tech, regardless  of ability or interest
[20:13] <BotenAnna> lol kind of applies to girls as well. im glad im not hideous but also not so conventionally attractive to get a lot of unwanted attention, ha
[20:14] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: sorry, i forgot about aaditya. my bad.
[20:14] <BotenAnna> ??
[20:14] <Faqtotum> attractive and in tech
[20:15] <Faqtotum> oh, it wasn't you who pinged him
[20:15] <MarkDude> Hell, even I can tell aaditya is sexy
[20:15] <MarkDude> :D
[20:15] <BotenAnna> haha i am not familiar with aaditya?
[20:16] <Faqtotum> anyway, no one has to be attractive if they don't want to be
[20:16] <MarkDude> Plus he has deeper voice than Barry White
[20:16] <Faqtotum> no, barry white is deeper
[20:16] <MarkDude> ok Faqtotum on par with
[20:17] <BotenAnna> yet people have to be unattractive even when they don't want to be so so often :(
[20:17] <MarkDude> Nixie Pixel once called him her sexy Indian
[20:17] <Faqtotum> being unattractive rocks
[20:18] <BotenAnna> i am of the opinion that most people can be decent looking with enough effort but levelling taurens and coding while swilling mountain dew IS pretty compelling
[20:18] <MarkDude> Faqtotum, well my my minimally decent looks- I decided to downgrade and go with ironic Fu Manchu mustache. Comfort level good
[20:18] <Faqtotum> MarkDude: whenever i used to take the person i live with anywhere tech-related, the first question out of her mouth was always "is aaditya gonna be there?"
[20:19] <MarkDude> lol
[20:19] <Faqtotum> i'm not kidding
[20:19] <Faqtotum> she really used to say that
[20:19] <MarkDude> Sounds about right. I know Courtney is happy with him being at an event
[20:19] <BotenAnna> haha
[20:19] <MarkDude> Its like he will be there, ok, I can show up
[20:20] <pleia2> MarkDude: is Dallas Braden going to be there?! :)
[20:20] <MarkDude> lol
[20:20] <MarkDude> pleia2, does not talk about it, but Dallas was really really eyeballing the Princess at a baseball game
[20:21] <MarkDude> She of course is happy with MJ, so she did not notice
[20:21] <MarkDude> Or says she did not ;)
[20:22] <pleia2> I never notice
[20:22] <pleia2> I was at a LUG meeting and someone asked me about the toys on my shoes that light up when I walk, "so they light up when you jump?" "yep!" "do it" "ok!"
[20:22]  * pleia2 facepalm
[20:23] <pleia2> my best friend was standing right there laughing, she is the worst wingman ever :)
[20:23] <BotenAnna> sadly, attractive people showing up to OSS stuff probably does more for The Cause than we'd like to admit :X
[20:23] <BotenAnna> lol pleia2
[20:23] <MarkDude> lol, hmmm.
[20:23] <pleia2> I've put on weight though, and gotten older, which mostly means people take me more seriously now, so it's ok :)
[20:24] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: it's true, but still not enough
[20:24] <MarkDude> BotenAnna, true. Also important is the attractive folks that are well grounded. When they act like we are all the same, it makes it more so
[20:24] <pleia2> oh, Obama is at the W
[20:24] <BotenAnna> yeah they can't act like rockstars
[20:24] <MarkDude> Luckily we have a few of those nice types
[20:24] <pleia2> (next door, was wondering why the roads were closed)
[20:25] <BotenAnna> the problem with an everyone-is-invited let's-be-a-community thing is that everyone is invited, ha
[20:25] <MarkDude> lol
[20:25] <pleia2> lol
[20:25] <BotenAnna> not necessarily bad, but it quickly attracts people who long for acceptance
[20:26] <BotenAnna> there's a place for everyone though
[20:27] <pleia2> ok, going to attempt to go to the post office to ship out these Ubuntu CDs, police everywhere downstairs so it's unclear how successfully I'll be :)
[20:27] <pleia2> (they can't stop me from leaving my own building, right?)
[20:28] <pleia2> I suppose I should worry about coming back
[20:28] <MarkDude> Well I think Courtney is a good example of that being done the right way. She dresses all fancy, since she wants to. But does not act like otheress would need to. Its her choice.
[20:28] <MarkDude> Just like pleia2 and using pink. She does not make others do so.
[20:29] <MarkDude> lol- aaditya is going to scrollback and think hmm, what do I say to all of this :D
[20:30] <BotenAnna> i stalked pleia2 on launchpad and am impressed that she owns princessleia.com
[20:32] <pleia2> apparently they can stop us from leaving our building :(
[20:32] <akk> erk! for how long?
[20:32] <pleia2> dunno
[20:33] <akk> That's pretty rude, to do that without giving a lot of advance notice.
[20:33] <pleia2> ah, 10 minutes
[20:33] <philipballew> is there a situation going on down there though?
[20:33] <MarkDude> Pres is acting #likeaboss
[20:34] <akk> oh, 10 min isn't bad.
[20:34] <philipballew> not horrible
[20:34] <akk> barring medical emergencies and such
[20:36] <BotenAnna> also i swear i put my picture on launchpad so i could easily be stalked but it is just showing my icon
[20:38]  * MarkDude gf is still sorta leery of public stuff. She is not sure what to think of me being so easily found by typing my name in Google
[20:38] <MarkDude> I am her only friend on FB, so that is kinda weird
[20:42] <Faqtotum> then stop referring to her as "gf" in a publicly logged channel
[20:45]  * aaditya scrolls back.
[20:46] <aaditya> um.
[20:46] <MarkDude> Faqtotum, the woman in question has been referred to as my gf or my muse. Unless you are friends with me on FB
[20:46] <akk> ooh ... squeal ... IT'S AADITYA!
[20:46] <MarkDude> No further specifics
[20:46] <MarkDude> lol
[20:46] <aaditya> What the heck is going on here!?
[20:46] <MarkDude> Hows it going aaditya
[20:46] <aaditya> It's going, MarkDude!
[20:47] <MarkDude> Looks like you could use punctuation called interroband
[20:47] <MarkDude> interrobang
[20:47] <MarkDude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang
[20:47]  * Faqtotum is familiar with said punctuation, but not how to type it
[20:48] <MarkDude> Faqtotum, copypasta
[20:48] <MarkDude> ‽
[20:48] <MarkDude> There ya go
[20:48] <Faqtotum> like i always do with ♫, you mean?
[20:48] <aaditya> MarkDude: I'd rather use ಠ_ಠ
[20:48] <aaditya> Faqtotum: ಠ_ಠ
[20:48] <MarkDude> lol
[20:49] <aaditya> Now the question is...
[20:50] <aaditya> Why is my sexiness being discussed in a public tech-oriented channel?
[20:50] <aaditya> What did I do to deserve all this?
[20:50] <aaditya> BotenAnna: nice to meet you too.
[20:51] <Faqtotum> aaditya: i think that's been discussed, too
[20:51] <MarkDude> Well it started as not many sexy folks in tech
[20:51]  * aaditya scrolls up harder.
[20:51] <MarkDude> then your name came up
[20:51] <aaditya> Right.
[20:51] <BotenAnna> aaditya: I hear you are quite handsome! XD
[20:51] <BotenAnna> 20:38  * MarkDude gf is still sorta leery of public stuff. She is not sure what to  think of me being so easily found by typing my name in Google
[20:51] <Faqtotum> MarkDude: "came up" you say...
[20:51] <MarkDude> And then I said, well heck- even I can see that
[20:51] <aaditya> BotenAnna: rumors, rumors everywhere.
[20:52] <BotenAnna> honestly i paused a lot before signing up for launchpad
[20:52] <MarkDude> Faqtotum, my name
[20:52] <BotenAnna> but who cares im changing my last name when the gf and i get civil unione'd here when we get around to filling out paperwork, ha
[20:52] <MarkDude> google mark terranova
[20:53] <aaditya> MarkDude: you have an epic webpage!
[20:53] <MarkDude> BotenAnna, are you going to put the old name in parenthesis?
[20:53] <aaditya> That too a .org. lol.
[20:53] <MarkDude> aaditya, it needs updating
[20:53]  * MarkDude just got .com with my name
[20:53] <MarkDude> thx to bkerensa
[20:53] <BotenAnna> MarkDude: different, everywhere, so it's super confusing!
[20:53] <MarkDude> well they 2 will be the same
[20:54] <MarkDude> 1st the gk site, then my vanity crap
[20:54] <Faqtotum> i've refused to have a website of my own since forever, and i'm not changing that
[20:54] <aaditya> MarkDude: How did you acquire .com?
[20:54] <BotenAnna> sometimes my maiden name, sometimes my family name, sometimes a mix of the two!
[20:55] <MarkDude> bkerensa, the awesomeness that is him
[20:56] <aaditya> MarkDude: I have a tool that you can use to make an epic site without having to deal with HTML.
 it's called javascript. what's html?
[20:56] <MarkDude> bring it on aaditya
[20:56] <akk> Tough to have a js site that has no html on it.
[20:56] <BotenAnna> yay a bad joke that probably only made sense to me ^_^
[20:56] <aaditya> I wrote a script that pulls text from a Google Doc, removes the formatting, runs it through a MarkDown parser, and displays a neat HTML5 output.
[20:56] <aaditya> MarkDude: and it runs on AppEngine.
[20:57] <MarkDude> I want to post my blog again, its been down for a while
[20:57] <BotenAnna> lo and behold, gaze upon my mighty homepage http://botenanna.info/
[20:57] <aaditya> So all you do is to update the Google Doc, and the whole thing updates as expected.
[20:57] <aaditya> BotenAnna: it's epic.
[20:58] <aaditya> MarkDude: I've done the same experiment with GitHub. That one was kind of interesting.
[20:58] <BotenAnna> hours of hand-coding html, javascript, shockwave, and silverlight let me tell you
[20:58] <BotenAnna> with a lot of html5 thrown in
[20:59] <aaditya> Upload your MarkDown syntax'ed text to github, and let GitHub make HTML out of it.
[20:59] <aaditya> Yeah, that's easier than anything else.
[20:59] <aaditya> MarkDude: http://pages.github.com/
[21:00] <aaditya> and once you have your site at http://markdude.github.com/, you can easily map it to markterranova.com
[21:01] <MarkDude> Sure git, there is a good non technical way to start out ;P
[21:01] <MarkDude> aaditya, I mean you know me, you have met me
[21:01] <aaditya> MarkDude: nah, it's something you can easily handle in say... 2 commands.
[21:01] <aaditya> Rest is GUI.
[21:01] <MarkDude> Sounds like rainman will need a bit of help
[21:01] <MarkDude> lol
[21:01]  * MarkDude can do it
[21:02] <aaditya> MarkDude: sudo apt-get install git git-cola
[21:02] <aaditya> and when you get stuck, you know where to go XD
[21:03] <MarkDude> So I have to do this on Ubuntu
[21:03] <MarkDude> You have any su -- advice?
[21:06] <Faqtotum> -- ??
[21:08] <BotenAnna> my advice?
[21:08] <BotenAnna> never use su --
[21:08]  * BotenAnna puts on sunglasses
[21:08] <BotenAnna> YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[21:09]  * MarkDude uses Fedora tho much of the time.
[21:10] <BotenAnna> ugh
[21:10] <BotenAnna> we use CentOS at work for our product
[21:10] <BotenAnna> I hate it so much
[21:10] <MarkDude> So writing about my FOSS only in Ubuntu sounds silly
[21:10] <BotenAnna> I have never met a CentOS I've ever liked
[21:10] <Faqtotum> i think she was trying to hint at "never use Fedora"
[21:10] <MarkDude> Well I will not argue with you.
[21:10] <BotenAnna> 21:10 < Faqtotum> i think she was trying to hint at "never use Fedora"
[21:11] <MarkDude> Fair enough. Technically Centos is designed to be like RHELL
[21:11] <BotenAnna> interesting second L you have there
[21:11] <MarkDude> Fedora actually has much newer packages
[21:11] <Faqtotum> RPM is hell, regardless
[21:11]  * MarkDude pretends that was accident ;)
[21:12] <MarkDude> Fedora has like 10 times the packages of rhel
[21:15] <MarkDude> Well at the moment I am using Ubuntu
[21:15]  * MarkDude got apt get you are screwed message
[21:16] <MarkDude> Package git is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[21:16] <MarkDude> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[21:16] <MarkDude> is only available from another source
[21:16] <MarkDude> E: Package git has no installation candidate
[21:16] <MarkDude> rocker@rocker-laptop:~$
[21:16] <pleia2> so way more than 10 minutes, everything is still all blocked off, I had to sneak in via some friendly police in the back
[21:16] <MarkDude> pleia2, used her Force powers,
[21:16] <pleia2> 3 shipments of CDs are on their way to socal :)
[21:16] <MarkDude> This is not eh Princess you are looking for
[21:16] <pleia2> hehe
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[21:18] <pleia2> lol
[21:18] <MarkDude> BotenAnna, lol on your site
[21:19] <pleia2> I'm just trying to live my life here! :)
[21:19] <pleia2> there are protesters outside though
[21:19] <BotenAnna> we are the 99%! of people who want to mail ubuntu cds!
[21:19] <BotenAnna> is that why it was shut down/blocked off?
[21:20] <pleia2> no, I guess they always do this when the president comes within a 2 block radius
[21:20] <pleia2> the occupy folks just decided to wander down from ferry building :)
[21:21] <BotenAnna> oh!
[21:21] <BotenAnna> you're local then :)
[21:21] <BotenAnna> i work in culver city, traffic this morning was fun!!
[21:21] <pleia2> cool :)
[21:22] <pleia2> yeah I live at new montgomery and howard (between 2nd and 3rd)
[21:22] <BotenAnna> i guess i shouldn't be TOO surprised given the channel but CA IS a big state ^_^
[21:22] <pleia2> obama is at the W, which is howard and 3rd
[21:22] <Faqtotum> there's a ferry building in culver city?
[21:22] <BotenAnna> haha yikes :X
[21:22] <pleia2> some protesters: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6281378790/
[21:22] <BotenAnna> president staying next door, good excuse to stay home and work on your oss projects. or night elf. nobody would blame you~
[21:23] <pleia2> too bad I work from home :)
[21:23] <BotenAnna> the protesters have to be an interesting bunch
[21:23] <BotenAnna> tea parties and people upset that obama is as left as we get but still right of center
[21:24] <BotenAnna> ah, Keystone XL is the pipeline thing
[21:24] <BotenAnna> I heard about that
[21:24] <pleia2> I'm pretty sure all protesters in SF are the same people, regardless of the protest
[21:24] <pleia2> buncha hippies in this city :)
[21:24] <pleia2> I love it
[21:24] <nhaines> BotenAnna: pleia2 is not local.  :P
[21:24] <pleia2> nhaines: CDs shipped!
[21:25] <BotenAnna> oh wait pleia2 are you in the bay area?
[21:25] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!  \o/
[21:25] <pleia2> oh, culver city is LA
[21:25] <BotenAnna> im dumb. obama was here yesterday, left today for the bay area didn't he?
[21:25] <pleia2> I'm in SF
[21:25] <Faqtotum> i've taken several of those online where-are-you-on-the-political-spectrum tests lately
[21:25] <BotenAnna> haha i was like "those streets sound like downtown LA!!"
[21:25] <MarkDude> let me guess Faqtotum
[21:25] <MarkDude> your answer was MEOW?
[21:25] <BotenAnna> haha
[21:25] <Faqtotum> MarkDude: Nyan.
[21:25] <BotenAnna> mine was like -10, -8 :V
[21:25] <MarkDude> lol
[21:26] <Faqtotum> there is an economic axis and a social axis
[21:26] <Faqtotum> on the economic axis, i consistently come up dead-center
[21:27] <Faqtotum> on the social axis, i'm consistently exactly half-way between dead-center and "anarchist"
[21:28] <BotenAnna> i ~*try*~ not to bring up politics around OSS because inevitably I end up in some hours long tangle with a libertarian. just a warning to any libertarians in the room ;D
[21:28] <MarkDude> lol
[21:28] <pleia2> I try not to bring up politics around anyone :)
[21:28] <BotenAnna> there's a place for politics, that place is google plus
[21:28] <nhaines> pleia2: that's what Hitler said!
[21:28] <MarkDude> next thing ya know it turns into debate over who should pay for the sidewalks...
[21:28] <BotenAnna> lol nhaines
[21:28] <pleia2> cats are a good subject, I like talking about cats
[21:28] <Faqtotum> well, plenty of liberty in OSS, so there's common ground
[21:29] <BotenAnna> except libertarianism isn't about liberty its about concentrating power into a ruling elite of corporatists and OH GOD DONT GET ME STARTED (if you want to rebut this: http://gplus.to/BotenAnna :P)
[21:29] <pleia2> nhaines: that was the fastest 0-godwin I've ever seen, nicely done :)
[21:30] <nhaines> pleia2: what can I say?  I'm a pro at Internets.  :)
[21:30] <BotenAnna> but on a basic level yes, the two do fit well which is why I try to be careful XD
[21:30] <BotenAnna> because on the other hand, free community maintained stuff attracts pinkos like me ;P
[21:30] <pleia2> so, who wants to see cat pictures?
[21:30] <BotenAnna> o/
[21:30] <pleia2> :)
[21:30] <nhaines> cats  \o/
[21:30] <pleia2> http://www.zooborns.com/zooborns/oncilla/
[21:30] <pleia2> best cats ever
[21:31] <BotenAnna> p.s. im still impressed that you got princessleia.com
[21:31] <BotenAnna> did you like, spawn camp the internet?
[21:31] <pleia2> BotenAnna: yeah, I got lucky (owned princessleia2.com, emailed the old owner of princessleia.com in 2002 and she had "grown out of it" and offered to give it to me)
[21:31] <nhaines> Epic!
[21:31] <BotenAnna> haha wow
[21:31] <pleia2> emailed her to say "hey, nice site" "yeah, you want it?"
[21:32] <nhaines> Now that's how to troll all other SW fans.
[21:32] <BotenAnna> these are some freaking cute kitties
[21:32] <Faqtotum> moar ocelots, pl0x
[21:32] <pleia2> http://zooborns.typepad.com/zooborns/ocelot/ !
[21:32] <BotenAnna> now the real question here about the ocelots...
[21:32]  * BotenAnna stuffs up glasses
[21:32] <BotenAnna> are they....
[21:32] <BotenAnna> oneric?
[21:32] <BotenAnna> YEAAAAAAAA*hackcoughwheeze*
[21:33] <pleia2> naturally
[21:33] <MarkDude> Also George Lucas must have much more common sense than say Disney
[21:34] <BotenAnna> Adjective:	
[21:34] <BotenAnna> Of or relating to dreams or dreaming.
[21:34] <BotenAnna> neverb othered to look that up until just now
[21:34] <MarkDude> taking away Dark wing duck name
[21:35] <nhaines> BotenAnna: it was in the name announcemnt.  :P
[21:35] <BotenAnna> that sounds like it got dangerous
[21:35] <BotenAnna> nhaines: you assume im able to read
[21:35] <nhaines> BotenAnna: can't you?  Eureka can.
[21:35] <nhaines> Can't you, Eureka?
[21:35] <BotenAnna> i.... i'm illiterate
[21:35] <nhaines> Eureka: cat got your tongue?
[21:35] <Eureka> nhaines: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[21:36] <BotenAnna> i am not a bot
[21:36] <BotenAnna> i am a nice girl
[21:36] <Faqtotum> irony is that for a while, i thought BotenAnna really was a bot
[21:36] <nhaines> hahaha
[21:37] <Faqtotum> i did
[21:37] <nhaines> that's how the song goes too, I think.
[21:37] <Faqtotum> indeed
[21:37] <nhaines> Aww, I referred a friend to ING Direct and his stuff came and his debit card is way cooler than mine.
[21:38] <BotenAnna> did he get the cool upside down one?
[21:38] <nhaines> BotenAnna: that's the one.
[21:38] <BotenAnna> i like ing, shame im going to be replacing it with a credit uniion eventually =\
[21:38] <nhaines> I might just call them up and say... well, just what I said here.
[21:38] <nhaines> BotenAnna: use both!
[21:38] <BotenAnna> but they get the boot after chase so congrats to them!
[21:38] <BotenAnna> ing is owned by capital one
[21:38] <nhaines> I thought that hadn't gone through yet.
[21:39] <BotenAnna> and are thus connected to that whole "hey lets bet Americans' money" junk
[21:39] <Faqtotum> san francisco federal credit union's visa cards convert currency for international transactions at cost
[21:39] <nhaines> BotenAnna: Can't I rail against their evil ways but *still* give them control of my money?
[21:39] <BotenAnna> yeah it's not as bad as Chase or Bank of America so I'm replacing the Chase account first, but I like having two different financial institutions so I'll probably sign up for a couple credit unions or something
[21:39] <Faqtotum> i think it's 1% below the interbank rate
[21:40] <BotenAnna> i've been looking in to local credit unions and apparently there wasn't really anything I needed to fear
[21:40] <BotenAnna> like i thought atms would be hard to find, esp out of state, but they have more ATMs than most banks
[21:40] <BotenAnna> my only remaining concern is can I replace ING's great online banking stuff, but that may be possible
[21:41] <nhaines> ING has the best online banking really.
[21:41] <Faqtotum> i still have my old unexpired BofA check card that says "customer since 1985" somewhere. they let me keep it after i closed my accounts last year and went to chase.
[21:41] <nhaines> It even works with Linux if you use Firefox.
[21:41] <Faqtotum> this year, i closed the chase acct
[21:42] <Faqtotum> there is no upside to ING that i could find
[21:42] <nhaines> Faqtotum: how about no local branches and you have to mail in checks to deposit them?
[21:42] <Faqtotum> i have a similar acct with AmericaNet Bank, at a higher interest rate
[21:43] <BotenAnna> ing is good if you need to move money around with bank transfers
[21:43] <Faqtotum> i might not even keep that
[21:43] <BotenAnna> which i find myself doing
[21:43] <Faqtotum> AmericaNet transfers anything to anything for free, as long as the amount >= $1
[21:44] <Faqtotum> if i nuke that, i'll have to use paypal
[21:45] <Faqtotum> there are nice credit union deals that make things like ING completely obsolete, though
[21:54] <BotenAnna> Faqtotum: in terms of online services or just availability?
[22:08] <MarkDude> http://www.parisoma.com/events/
[22:08] <MarkDude> Parisoma has some cool events upcoming
[23:12] <Faqtotum> BotenAnna: the former
[23:17] <nhaines> Faqtotum: I think that was the important one.