[00:45] <Kerbero> o/
[00:46] <Kerbero> this was the worst ubuntu upgrade i had ever
[00:46] <Kerbero> ended up reinstalling
[05:27] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:27] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:27]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[05:27] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:28] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[05:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:31] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:31] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[05:37] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[05:37] <Vince-0> Morning Ubuntu-za - time for wek!
[05:39] <superfly> time for work? I've already been here an hour!
[05:42] <Kilos> lol
[05:43] <Kilos> you gotta make allowances for the young and the self employed superfly 
[05:43] <Squirm> morning
[05:43] <Squirm> thanks Kilos
[05:43] <Kilos> hi Squirm hows things
[05:44] <Squirm> I usually wake up in about 30min time :P
[05:44] <Squirm> but work made me wake up early
[05:44] <Kilos> ah you wet the bed?
[05:44] <superfly> bwahaha
[05:45] <Kilos> you still there near newcastle Squirm ?
[05:45] <Squirm> Newcastle is about 1/1.5 hours away. if you consider that near, then yes
[05:46] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee for all
[05:46] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[05:46] <Squirm> Maaz: thanks
[05:46] <Maaz> Squirm: No problem
[05:46] <Kilos> whew i lost, forget where you are exactly apart from near a dam
[05:46] <Kilos> chelmsford?
[05:46] <Squirm> never heard of the place
[05:46] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[05:46] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[05:46] <Squirm> a town called Winterton
[05:46] <Squirm> s/town/hole
[05:47] <Kilos> oh yes thats it
[05:47] <Kilos> what are you doing now Squirm 
[05:50] <Squirm> I'm and IT Techy
[05:52] <Squirm> and it finally got interesting
[05:53] <Kilos> in winterton
[05:53] <Squirm> maybe not *interesting*, but better than it's been
[05:53] <Squirm> Kilos: yep
[05:53] <Kilos> or you doing online work
[05:53] <Squirm> in WInterton
[05:54] <Kilos> thats good though. the winterton i member was to small to have more than 5 pc's in the wghole town
[05:54] <Kilos> whole
[05:54] <Squirm> just got a new client, lots of work needs to be done there. he has a big pig farm and lots of work. he didn't trust the other IT guy he used
[05:55] <Squirm> but he set up the network right, many network cables and they're all just jumbled up behind the main PC
[05:55] <Kilos> give it your best shot. the name you make for yourself when young you carry with you to the end
[05:55] <Squirm> guess who has to sort them out
[05:56] <Kilos> yeah ian also bitching about the last guys mess ups
[05:56] <Squirm> it's a pain
[05:56] <Squirm> but when you get paid per hour, shouldn't complain hey...
[05:56] <Kilos> lol no
[05:57] <Squirm> going to get a rackmount switch and stick it all nicely in that
[05:57] <Squirm> rather than having 2 small 8-port switches
[05:57] <Kilos> good
[05:58] <Squirm> it's not a *lot* of cables like some guys are used to, but it's just a business :P
[05:58] <Squirm> and finally getting to setup the Long Range CPE's in the field ^^
[05:58] <Kilos> yeah but make him happy and he will tell others
[05:58] <Squirm> see how they play out
[05:58] <Squirm> Ubiquiti NanoStation M5
[05:59] <Squirm> he's on a farm, so linking his butchery, offices, house, etc. they're all spaced apart
[06:00] <Squirm> and hopefully going to install IP cameras :)
[06:01] <Kilos> ian is also doing lots of that for security etc
[06:01] <Kilos> but all the software only works on windows
[06:01] <Squirm> yes :(
[06:10] <Squirm> anyways, I'm off
[06:10] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:11] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:11] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:12] <ender> jullle staan te vroeg op
[06:13] <Kilos> môre ender
[06:13] <ender> hi Ook Kilos :0
[06:13] <maiatoday> ender, ek werk al :)
[06:13] <ender> *oom
[06:16] <superfly> moring maiatoday, ender
[06:17] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[06:20] <ender> hi superfly 
[06:38] <magespawn> morning all
[06:46] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[06:46] <Kilos> aw
[07:05] <magespawn> howdy all
[07:05] <Kilos> lol again
[07:05] <Kilos> wb
[07:09] <magespawn> terrible lag the first time thought everyone was ignoring me
[07:09] <magespawn> got the mythbuntu up and running
[07:10] <Kilos> was even worse yesterday
[07:10] <Kilos> on what pc magespawn 
[07:10] <Kilos> old one small ram etc
[07:10] <magespawn> yup trying to get onto twitter and is taking awhile.
[07:12] <Kilos> grrr
[07:13] <magespawn> newish board running 1 gig of ddr2 ram but in an old case cause of the form factor
[07:15] <magespawn> brb
[07:35] <Kilosm> power off till 1800 i think. and i forgot to charge fone
[07:35] <Kilosm> see yas darktime
[07:36] <Kilosm> be good
[08:05] <drubin> superfly: I can't login to the ubuntu-za website any more ;/ 
[08:54] <superfly> drubin: which page are you on? what method are you using? what browser are you using? what error messages do you see?
[08:57] <drubin> superfly: Firefox, home page click log on - > http://ubuntu-za.org/user/login click on open id login
[08:57] <drubin> then login and it takes me to the sign up page
[09:16] <superfly> drubin: a bit busy here at the moment, will look when I have a chance
[09:28] <drubin> superfly: I didn't expect you to fix it now :)
[11:10] <Kilos> yo
[11:15] <Kilos> i am sure its gonna rain here. was told power would be off till 1800 but its on already
[11:15] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[11:15]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:16] <Kilos> Maaz, quick before they kill the power again
[11:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[11:16] <Kilos> twitbot
[11:17] <Kilos> magespawn, you were gonna tell me the specs of that pc
[11:18] <Kilos> dont act like you are thinking
[11:18] <Kilos> i can smell the wood burning from here
[11:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[11:20] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[11:20] <superfly> hi Kilos
[11:20] <Kilos> hiya superfly min dae hey
[11:20] <magespawn> hi kilos yup hold on 
[11:20] <superfly> Kilos: too busy to notice
[11:21] <Kilos> lol
[11:22] <magespawn> kilos remind me tomorrow the pc is packed up and ready to be moved
[11:22] <Kilos> ok
[11:32] <magespawn> i need to use the os cannot remember the spec but has 1 gig of ram but now 40 gig hard drive
[11:34] <magespawn> strangely enough no problems getting the os installed this time, so maybe that drive was faulty from the start
[11:43] <Kilos> yeah musta been hurt
[11:43] <Kilos> 1g ram is lekker
[11:43] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey 
[11:43] <kbmonkey> yo
[11:44] <magespawn> yup want to see how it is going to handle all the media on my external drive
[11:44] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I made a terminal profile for elinks. bigger font, black-on-white color, and set elinks options to use 256 colors. much nicer to use with mouse.
[11:44] <Kilos> shouldnt have any probs
[11:45] <Kilos> i got 640m ram and can watch and play anything
[11:45] <Kilos> lol kbmonkey how you did that
[11:45] <magespawn> i also want to stream from there to other points in the house
[11:45] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn 
[11:45] <magespawn> hi kb monkey
[11:46] <magespawn> or kbmonkey 
[11:47] <Kilos> hehe
[11:47] <Kilos> him too ya
[11:49] <kbmonkey> in the terminal menu you can edit the 'profiles' Kilos. you can then make a desktop shortcut to run gnome-terminal, and give it the "--window-with-profile=NAME --execute elinks" options to sort you out ;)
[11:50] <Kilos> ty  i will look into that
[11:52] <Kilos> eish what does all that mean
[11:52] <Kilos> --window-with-profile=NAME --execute elinks
[11:53] <Kilos> does that go in new on profiles
[11:53] <kbmonkey> it opens gnome-terminal with the profile you give it, and runs elinks :p
[11:53] <kbmonkey> sorry do I move too fast?
[11:53] <Kilos> duh
[11:53] <Kilos> i am there but what goes in by name
[11:54] <Kilos> or is that a complete command
[11:54] <kbmonkey> ah, NAME would be whatever name you gave the profile you added :)
[11:58] <Kilos> where do i put in that command
[11:58] <kbmonkey> 1) add a new terminal profile and call it NAME
[11:59] <kbmonkey> 2) create a shortcut on your desktop or a launcher in your menu, with the command
[11:59] <kbmonkey> that's all
[11:59] <Kilos> oh you mean use that command in the terminal to open elinks?
[12:00] <kbmonkey> yup
[12:00] <Kilos> whew
[12:00] <kbmonkey> you can run it in a terminal, but you can put it in a shortcut on your desktop for easiness
[12:00] <kbmonkey> "gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=NAME --execute elinks"
[12:01] <kbmonkey> sorry I am going quite fast today. was up super early to jog XD
[12:01] <Kilos> what has changed
[12:02] <Kilos> looks same
[12:02] <Kilos> np
[12:02] <kbmonkey> just thought you would like this trick
[12:02] <Kilos> lol whats changed
[12:02] <Kilos> its easier to type just elinks in terminal
[12:02] <kbmonkey> you can now change the font of the NAME profile
[12:03] <Kilos> oh
[12:03] <kbmonkey> choose something more readable, so it looks more like a real web page
[12:03] <kbmonkey> and its easier to click on the links with your mouse!
[12:03] <kbmonkey> you can also set a custom title for the window if you want
[12:04] <kbmonkey> disable scroll bars if you need, and such things. just little tricks
[12:05] <Kilos> i havent even been able to find fonts in elinks or make a shortcut to desktop even
[12:05] <Kilos> sigh
[12:06] <kbmonkey> you mean gnome-terminal. you change the fonts in there, not elinks
[12:06] <kbmonkey> oh is okay, just thought I point that out :)
[12:07] <Kilos> where is this gnome terminal
[12:07] <Kilos> i got plain terminal and root terminal
[12:08] <kbmonkey> click the menu "Help" and "About", what does that say
[12:08] <Kilos> dont laugh you too far away to klap
[12:08] <kbmonkey> he he he ;p
[12:08] <kbmonkey> just the plain terminal should do
[12:09] <kbmonkey> only use root for admin type stuff
[12:09] <Kilos> the help has contents and get help online etc
[12:09] <magespawn> later all, another game drive in the rain today. will tweet some more photos if possible.
[12:09] <Kilos> ok magespawn 
[12:10] <kbmonkey> sounds great enjoy magespawn 
[12:12] <Kilos> leave that thing for now i will read the contents of that gnome terminal help
[12:12] <Kilos> whew
[12:36] <Kilos> bbl
[18:48] <Kilos> evning all of ya
[18:48] <Kilos> evening as well
[18:52] <nlsthzn> Alo uncle Kilos ... I have to go and play some Word of Tanks now to figure out why I should bother :p
[18:53] <Kilos> lol explain that in english
[18:54] <Kilos> if its a game then go enjoy
[18:54] <Kilos> its the to figure out bit i no unnerstand
[19:00] <Kilos> hi Waceman 
[19:00] <Kilos> did you win
[19:00] <Kilos> sorry we were busy inna meeting last night
[19:00] <Waceman> no worries... not yet mate.. 
[19:01] <Waceman> trying to install the drivers from a manual download
[19:01] <Kilos> was something with nvidia hey
[19:01] <Waceman> but the installer says I need to do something with Kernal Sources and Kernal Headers?
[19:01] <Waceman> I've downloaded a package which says it has support for my card
[19:02] <Waceman> so think this will do the trick..
[19:02] <Kilos> need to do what
[19:02] <Kilos> lets hope
[19:02] <Waceman> quite a mission ;)
[19:02] <Waceman> going to go mal when I get this working!	:D
[19:04] <Kilos> mine worked on default
[19:04] <Kilos> havent ever needed other drivers
[19:04] <Waceman> how new is your pc? nvidia?
[19:05] <Kilos> and my pc old
[19:05] <Kilos> methinks 1999
[19:05] <Kilos> first p4
[19:05] <Waceman> 11.10?
[19:05] <Waceman> I think I got mine in 2001
[19:05] <Waceman> still plays quake 3 like a champ! 8)
[19:06] <Kilos> and ati graphics but withonly 32m ram on graphics card
[19:06] <Waceman> yeah, me too 
[19:06] <Waceman> using 11.04 with gnome atm... dig it
[19:06] <Waceman> on this pc
[19:07] <Kilos> yeah gnome works well for me but i on maverick and will go ocelot inna few weeks
[19:08] <Kilos> i tried 11.04 and it complained about the graphics card
[19:08] <Kilos> then something didnt work kiff so i went back to 10.10
[19:08] <Kilos> quake3 on windows?
[19:09] <Kilos> i gave up gaming when i went ubuntu
[19:10] <Kilos> hey Vince-0 what are you using
[19:10] <Kilos> OS wise
[19:10] <Waceman> yeah windows ME haha
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <Waceman> I gave up gaming a couple years ago too
[19:10] <Waceman> with win ME, I used to format the thing once a week
[19:11] <Kilos> we used to have some guys here that were big time gamers 
[19:11] <Kilos> oh yes i know all about win me
[19:11] <Kilos> wasnt bad at all
[19:11] <Kilos> as long as you dont mind formatting often as you say
[19:12] <Kilos> then i went xp and formatted even more often
[19:12] <Kilos> then i went online for the first time and learned about virusses
[19:15] <Waceman> haha
[19:15] <Waceman> OK - here's the error... brace yourself
[19:15] <Kilos> lol sometimes formatted twice in one day
[19:15] <Waceman> "Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or the equivalient nvidia-installer command line option."
[19:16] <Kilos> superfly, please explain that in ballie taal for me
[19:17] <Kilos> the kernel its talking about is what kernel
[19:17] <Kilos> the linux kernel or nvidia
[19:17] <Waceman> beats me man
[19:17] <Waceman> this is a read me on how to install the drivers
[19:17] <Kilos> Waceman, superfly is our local python fundi
[19:17] <Waceman> http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/71.86.14/README/README
[19:17] <Waceman> check the section on "KERNEL INTERFACES"
[19:18] <Kilos> have you read the readme?
[19:19] <Kilos> i havent got data to go see links
[19:19] <Kilos> sorry
[19:19] <Waceman> well, up until that section
[19:19] <Waceman> "[1] NOTE: installation requires that you have a linker installed.
[19:19] <Waceman> The linker, usually '/usr/bin/ld', is part of the binutils package;
[19:19] <Waceman> please be sure you have this package installed prior to installing the
[19:19] <Waceman> NVIDIA driver."
[19:19] <Waceman> what is this guys?
[19:20] <Kilos> lemme see in synaptic
[19:21] <Kilos> you have aptitude
[19:21] <Kilos> ??
[19:21] <Waceman> dunno ;P
[19:21] <Waceman> I have synaptic?
[19:21] <Kilos> you know how to use cli/
[19:21] <Kilos> terminal
[19:22] <Kilos> in synaptic type in binutils in the top right little window
[19:22] <Kilos> the search block
[19:23] <Kilos> it should show immediately
[19:23] <Waceman> I've shutdown lightdm as it was required by the installer...
[19:23] <Waceman> so it's just sitting on the error message atm
[19:23] <Kilos> without having to hit search
[19:24] <Kilos> ok that nvidia package
[19:24] <Kilos> have you got the details of which version nvidfia card it is
[19:24] <Waceman> ya
[19:25] <Kilos> look in synaptic type in nvidia
[19:25] <Kilos> and look through them for that version 
[19:25] <Waceman> This is my problem: Driver version 71 is the only one that says it supports my card... the rest don't... in synapic.. the oldest driver package is 96.. no 71
[19:25] <afrodeity> () -  [/]
[19:26] <Kilos> eish
[19:26] <afrodeity> silly plugin
[19:26] <Kilos> what does that mean afrodeity 
[19:26] <afrodeity> weechat didn't load something
[19:26] <afrodeity> or I forget the key combo
[19:27] <Kilos> Waceman, 
[19:27] <Kilos> you have that package downloaded hey?
[19:27] <Kilos> is it a .deb file
[19:27] <Waceman> yes, it's sitting in my downloads folder
[19:27] <Waceman> no, it's a .run
[19:27] <Kilos> there the prob
[19:27] <afrodeity> how old is the card?
[19:27] <Waceman> 2001 ;)
[19:28] <afrodeity> lovely
[19:28] <Waceman> GeForce 256 DDR
[19:28] <Waceman> it's great
[19:28] <Kilos> in synaptic get alien
[19:28] <Waceman> why? haha
[19:28] <Kilos> ubuntu likes .deb files
[19:29] <Waceman> the install doesn't work with GUI... it requires the GUI to be shut down.. only terminal
[19:29] <Kilos> alien converts .tar.gz and if i member it can convert .run files to .deb as well
[19:29] <Waceman> ?
[19:29] <afrodeity> then use a terminal
[19:30] <Kilos> you have no gui at the moment??
[19:30] <afrodeity> no battery in my mouse
[19:30] <afrodeity> so i flipped off the gui
[19:30] <afrodeity> it much better down here
[19:31] <Kilos> not you afrodeity Waceman 
[19:31] <afrodeity> lol
[19:31] <Waceman> Kilos: no GUI
[19:31] <Kilos> Waceman, have you got gui at the moment
[19:31] <Waceman> only terminal
[19:31] <afrodeity> gr8
[19:31] <Waceman> more of the installation error
[19:31] <Waceman> "If you are using Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure you hav configured kernel sources matching your kernel installed on your system. IF you specified a seperate output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with the equivalent nvidia -installer command line option."
[19:31] <Kilos> ok the in terminal type in
[19:31] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install alien
[19:32] <afrodeity> did you self-install your kernel?
[19:32] <Waceman> no
[19:32] <afrodeity> ok I get it you want to compile the nvidia driver?
[19:33] <Waceman> does this alien convert the package to a dep file?
[19:33] <Waceman> I dunno?
[19:33] <Kilos> yes alien is a converter of .tar and .run to .deb
[19:33] <afrodeity> compile from source matching your card description, at least last known working source for card
[19:34] <Waceman> afrodeity: to get you up to speed... I have shiteold graphics card... none of the conventional ways of installing the nvidia drivers works... The only driver package which supporsts my card is package 71... So I downloaded if off www.nvidia.com... trying to install that
[19:34] <afrodeity> good
[19:34] <Waceman> Kilos: the install file is running...
[19:35] <Waceman> but gives the abovementioned errors after a couple of steps
[19:35] <Kilos> why it started running now?
[19:35] <Kilos> eish
[19:35] <Waceman> always was running
[19:35] <Kilos> ok
[19:35] <Waceman> I used "sh" command
[19:36] <Kilos> have you got alien now
[19:36] <afrodeity> i've configured my kernel sources once
[19:36] <afrodeity> was some time ago
[19:36] <Waceman> afrodeity: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/71.86.14/README/README
[19:36] <Waceman> Check that out, and look under "Kernel Interfaces" and let me know if it makes sense?
[19:36] <afrodeity> have to switch to another term to do tht 
[19:37] <Kilos> Waceman, look at that site and see if they have a .deb file
[19:37] <Waceman> ok lemme try it... but I don't think that's the problem
[19:38] <Kilos> on ubuntu you cant install .tar or .run files directly
[19:38] <Kilos> unless you very clever
[19:39] <Kilos> but i dont understand why your install didnt give you a default gui
[19:40] <Waceman> this is what came in the readme
[19:40] <Waceman> Before beginning the driver installation, you should exit the X server.
[19:41] <afrodeity> README looks terrible in elinks
[19:41] <Waceman> doesn't look much better on prober gui ;)
[19:42] <afrodeity> I need a browser list down here
[19:43] <Kilos> down where
[19:43] <afrodeity> xterm
[19:43] <Kilos> why you closed gui
[19:44] <Kilos> Waceman, sorry i was thinking of .rpm paclage
[19:44] <Kilos> packages
[19:45] <Kilos> ok Waceman lets see if you have gdebi
[19:46] <Kilos> then you right click the package and install with gdebi package manager and it will get dependancies that are needed too
[19:47] <Waceman> Kilos: appreciate the help.. but I think you're going in the wrong direction
[19:47] <Kilos> i think from maverick gdebi is not installed by default
[19:47] <superfly> Waceman: you need to install the "build-essential" package, if you haven't already
[19:47] <Waceman> the installer won't work in GUI no matter what you do to it
[19:47] <Waceman> yes, I've done that superfly
[19:48] <superfly> Waceman: installing "linux-headers" should install the headers compatible with your kernel
[19:48] <afrodeity> yes
[19:48] <superfly> Waceman: then, I think you need to run the .run file as root
[19:48] <Waceman> superfly, I used "sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[19:48] <Waceman> ??
[19:48] <superfly> that works too
[19:48] <Waceman> I've done that too
[19:49] <superfly> Waceman: Ubuntu has meta-packages, so you install one and it installs the correct version for you
[19:49] <superfly> Waceman: is that the only output you get, or is there other stuff too?
[19:50] <superfly> that just doesn't sound like the entire story to me
[19:50] <Waceman> ??
[19:51] <Waceman> maybe the driver package is just too old for 11.10?
[19:51] <afrodeity> there used to be a lot more cli browsers on my system
[19:52] <Waceman> superfly, can I send you the error log file?
[19:52] <superfly> Waceman: pastebin.com please
[19:52] <Waceman> k, it's on my other pc.. just have to reboot to get it ;p
[19:52] <afrodeity> pastebin
[19:53] <afrodeity> not the command sorry
[19:54] <afrodeity> pastbinit
[19:54] <afrodeity> pastebinit
[19:55] <afrodeity> :)
[19:58] <Waceman> superfly, this is the readme for the install file... maybe you'll understand it better than I do: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/71.86.14/README/README
[19:58] <Kilos> afrodeity, lynx links and links2
[19:59] <Kilos> Waceman, did you have no gui from when you started installing
[19:59] <Waceman> Kilos: the readme for the installer said I had to kill X server
[20:00] <Waceman> so I did everthing from a terminal
[20:00] <Waceman> cuz the intaller won't work with gui running.. it promts you to kill it
[20:00] <Kilos> from the ubuntu installer
[20:01] <Waceman> no
[20:01] <Kilos> didnt you even see the ubuntu options to install or try
[20:01] <afrodeity> Kilos: was looking for links2 thx
[20:02] <Kilos> no what
[20:02] <Kilos> yw
[20:02] <Waceman> I tried software centre... did not work
[20:02] <Waceman> I tried every version synaptic had to offer... did not work..
[20:02] <Waceman> Now I'm trying to install the drivers manuall.. and they just so happen to be the ones that support my card
[20:02] <Kilos> i am asking about when you installed ubuntu
[20:02] <Kilos> before the nvidia thing
[20:02] <Waceman> I installed it fresh off a cd
[20:03] <Kilos> ajnd all in cli
[20:03] <Kilos> no graphics at all
[20:03] <Waceman> no man.. the graphics work.. but it's very slow 2D... 
[20:04] <Kilos> whew i got worried there
[20:04] <Waceman> haha - geepers this is quite a frustrating one
[20:04] <Kilos> Kerbero, wb
[20:05] <Kilos> Waceman, have you only got 11.10 there
[20:05] <Kerbero> wtf was that?
[20:05] <Kilos> you went
[20:05]  * Kerbero swears at ubuntu
[20:05] <Kerbero> there is a new distro out there
[20:05] <Kilos> remote guy killed your connection
[20:05] <Kerbero> it is called fubuntu
[20:05] <Kilos> lol
[20:05] <Kilos> sis
[20:06] <Kerbero> my computer logged out as soon as i pressed enter
[20:06] <Kerbero> as a reply to your "wb"
[20:06] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[20:06] <Kilos> is it fixed now
[20:06] <Kerbero> well i can type now
[20:06] <Kerbero> without it logging out
[20:06] <Kerbero> but ubuntu is still fubarred
[20:07] <Kerbero> ie, still fubuntu running here
[20:07] <Kilos> 11.10 Kerbero 
[20:07] <Kerbero> 11.10 gave me problems from the start
[20:07] <Kilos> never done these things before
[20:07] <Waceman> superfly, here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/gt7ay5R6
[20:08] <Vince-0> Eh!
[20:08] <Kerbero> and unity doesn't handle my dualscreen well at all
[20:09] <Vince-0> was afk: Kilos - I'm running android phone, transformer, ubuntu 11.04 media PC, Centos6 server
[20:09] <afrodeity> foobuntu
[20:09] <Kilos> thats great Vince-0 
[20:09] <afrodeity> i need a better clibrowser
[20:10] <Vince-0> I like unity cos its easy to use from a tablet via vnc to desktop attached to TV! 
[20:11] <Kerbero> unity is really nice
[20:11] <Vince-0> but I run 10.04 on work latop, gnome2 with compiz multiple desktops
[20:11] <Kerbero> i installed debian last night with gnome 2
[20:11] <Kerbero> it just doesn't come near unity
[20:11] <Waceman> Kerbero: been having nvidia troubles, seen many people having dual screen problems
[20:11] <Kerbero> but i really need it to be stable
[20:12] <Kerbero> Waceman: i'm using a nvidia card
[20:12] <Vince-0> which is what I'm about to do now - TV! so peace out ubuntu-za
[20:12] <Kerbero> but havn't installed the drivers yet
[20:12] <Waceman> good luck! I've been battling with an old nvidia card.... 
[20:12] <Kerbero> so i guess i'm using the neveau drivers
[20:13] <Waceman> I haven't tried those, you?
[20:13] <Kerbero> don't know if i should install the drivers or not
[20:13] <Kerbero> well they should be the deafoult now
[20:13] <afrodeity> try rebooting into the console
[20:13] <afrodeity> shift or tab depending on the version
[20:13] <afrodeity> when you reboot hold the key down
[20:14] <superfly> Waceman: you could try the noveau drivers, they might actually work for you
[20:14] <Waceman> ok, I'll do that next
[20:15] <Waceman> superfly, what do you make of this, "ADVANCED: You can install the NVIDIA kernel module for a non 
[20:15] <Waceman>    running kernel (for example: in the situation where you just built
[20:15] <Waceman>    and installed a new kernel, but have not rebooted yet) with a command
[20:15] <Waceman>    line such as this:
[20:15] <Waceman>     sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.14-pkg1.run --kernel-name='KERNEL_NAME'
[20:15] <Waceman> "
[20:16] <superfly> Waceman: that has no bearing on what you're doing unless you upgraded the kernel after having installed the drivers
[20:16] <Waceman> ok, did you see the error on pastebin... I have no idea what's wrong?
[20:17] <superfly> I honestly don't know either, it doesn't seem to really say what the problem is
[20:19] <Waceman> So any ideas from this at all, "Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the
[20:19] <Waceman>        kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify
[20:19] <Waceman>        their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or
[20:19] <Waceman>        the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option." - eish I feel like I'm so close
[20:23] <Kilos> Waceman, was this your prob
[20:24] <Kilos> http://blog.al4.co.nz/2011/10/slow-desktop-performance-on-ubuntu-11-10-with-nvidia-graphics-cards/
[20:24] <superfly> Waceman: I'd suggest trying the noveau drivers
[20:24] <Waceman> thanks guys
[20:25] <Kerbero> "slow performance" is a understatement
[20:25] <Kerbero> my mouse is lagging
[20:25] <Kilos> sorry it not fixed yet
[20:25] <Kilos> are they all nvidia related
[20:25] <Kerbero> well no idea
[20:25] <Waceman> yeah my mouse was shockingly slow
[20:25] <Kerbero> only been using this install for about 20hrs now
[20:26] <Waceman> I wanted to install 10.04, but can't find my CD ;(
[20:26] <Kilos> Waceman, dont stay away when you foud the prob
[20:26] <Waceman> Kerbero: I activated the drivers and it was much faster... only thing is Unity didn't load... :P
[20:26] <Kilos> Waceman, you uncapped
[20:26] <Waceman> no, but got bandwidth
[20:26] <Kilos> unity wont use a 32m graphics card
[20:27] <Waceman> is that the problem??
[20:27] <Kilos> no i was thinking of downloading the iso for maverick but data is too expensive
[20:27] <Waceman> you on adsl?
[20:28] <Kilos> no
[20:28] <Kilos> voda
[20:28] <Waceman> eish 3G is very expensive... I've been chowed by them for a couple years.. 
[20:28] <Kilos> yeah its murder
[20:29] <Kilos> would be interested to see if maverick works there
[20:30] <Waceman> superfly, does this make sense to you? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=62667
[20:35] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you not in bed yet
[20:40] <Kilos> Waceman, when you found the solution blog about it so others can get help
[20:40] <Waceman> I'm trying your updated drivers now
[20:40] <Waceman> then I'll try nouveau
[20:40] <Waceman> then I'll throw the pc out the window
[20:40] <Kilos> no man
[20:41] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <Kilos> im msure unity is more mod pc oriented
[20:41] <Kilos> orientated
[20:41] <nlsthzn> Kilos, not yet... changing to night shift of tomorrow night
[20:41] <Waceman> ya... but my pc could play quake 3 perfectly ;) 
[20:42] <Kilos> mine plays AOE3 but in some funny mode because it needs a 64m graphics card
[20:43] <Kilos> with xp
[20:43] <Kilos> but it cant do ubity
[20:43] <Kilos> unity
[20:43] <Kilos> time to learn kubuntu
[20:44] <nlsthzn> kde can be heavy with all the pretty set up high
[20:44] <Kilos> eish
[20:45] <Kilos> nlsthzn, is the unity package in maverick the same as unity in 11.04 and 11.10
[20:46] <Kilos> its only 1 and a bit meg download
[20:46] <nlsthzn> Kilos, no (AFAIK)
[20:46] <Kilos> i just dunno what it will do to my gnome
[20:46] <nlsthzn> the first Unity was a "netbook remix)
[20:47] <nlsthzn> then it changed for Natty
[20:47] <Kilos> oh so trying it in maverick is a waste of time
[20:47] <Kilos> and data
[20:48] <Kilos> Kerbero, you different nick from work?
[20:48]  * nlsthzn agrees
[20:48] <Kerbero> nope
[20:48] <Kilos> who is that dlimit
[20:49] <Kerbero> ne idea
[20:49] <Kerbero> my stuff seems to work actually
[20:49] <Kerbero> with the nvidia drivers
[20:50] <nlsthzn> lekker slaap almal
[20:51] <Kilos> nag nlsthzn  jy ook
[20:51] <Kilos> Waceman, try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:52] <Waceman> k, still installing new version
[20:52] <Kilos> oh ok
[20:52] <Kilos> hope it works now
[20:53] <Kilos> new version of nvidia hey/
[20:53] <Kilos> not new ubuntu
[20:53] <Waceman> how do I connect to the international ubuntu chatroom?
[20:53] <Waceman> ya
[20:53] <Waceman> ;p
[20:53] <Kilos> lol
[20:53] <Kilos>    /j #ubuntu
[20:54] <Kilos> theres 1700 peeps there
[20:55] <Kilos> can get lost there
[20:56] <Kilos> dunno how anyone follows that lot
[20:56] <Waceman> Empathy froze..
[20:57] <Kilos> you here on empathy?
[20:57] <Kilos> get xchat
[20:57] <Waceman> ya
[20:57] <Kilos> i dont like empathy
[20:58] <Kilos> use xchat for irc and pidgin for other im
[21:04] <Kilos> good luck Waceman see you tomorrow again
[21:04] <afrodeity> weechat plus byobu 
[21:04] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[21:04] <Waceman> cheers man... sorry on the phone
[21:04] <Waceman> thanks for your help
[21:04] <Kilos> np
[21:04] <Kilos> i here every day
[21:04] <Kilos> thnk when its working
[21:04] <afrodeity> miles is a bot
[21:04] <Kilos> maybe i dream up a solution
[21:05] <Kilos> lol
[21:05] <afrodeity> cli cult
[21:05] <Kilos> too much brain work
[21:05] <Kilos> hey Waceman 
[21:06] <Waceman> ?
[21:06] <Kilos> can you get back to before you tried to install the nvidia driver
[21:06] <Kilos> like a recovery mode on booting
[21:07] <Kilos> an early one
[21:08] <Waceman> think so
[21:08] <Waceman> ?
[21:08] <Waceman> I may just reinstall the whole OS
[21:08] <afrodeity> what I suggested
[21:08] <afrodeity> not
[21:08] <afrodeity> recovery mode
[21:08] <Kilos> then go with those noveau drivers from there
[21:08] <Waceman> ok
[21:09] <Kilos> or install from  scratch might be quicker 
[21:09] <Kilos> lol
[21:12] <Kilos> i think also maybe where it said driver is installed but not activated or something
[21:12] <Waceman> yeah it said that??
[21:12] <Kilos> could be because there another driver working there that needs to be removed first
[21:12] <Kilos> like clash of interests
[21:12] <Waceman> I removed them all... then installed just 96
[21:13] <Kilos> whew
[21:14] <Kilos> youm still in cli mode\
[21:15] <Kilos> how do you get to synaptic from there
[21:17] <Kilos> in synaptic you can try edit and fix broken
[21:17] <Kilos> if ocelot still has that function
[21:18] <Kilos> or this
[21:18] <Kilos> sudo apt-get --fix-broken
[21:19] <Kilos> sudo apt-get -f install
[21:19] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:20] <Kilos> lol hopefully one of them works
[21:21] <tumbleweed> those get you out of a partial upgrade
[21:21] <tumbleweed> if dpkg hasn't aborted, none of those will do anything useful for you
[21:21]  * tumbleweed reads the backscroll
[21:21] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed he has crazy nvidia probs
[21:21] <Kilos> driver installed but not activated
[21:22] <tumbleweed> did I see something about downloading the driver from nivida.com? Seriously don't do that. It does horrible things that are hard to undo
[21:22]  * tumbleweed once spent a couple of hours trying to uninstall one of those...
[21:22] <Kilos> Waceman, ^^
[21:23] <Kilos> he needs an old driver tumbleweed 
[21:23] <Kilos> he found it but then probs started
[21:23] <Kilos> was a .run packge
[21:23] <tumbleweed> yeah :/
[21:23] <tumbleweed> oh wow, that card is a relic :)
[21:24] <tumbleweed> right, not supported by any of the packaged drivers...
[21:25] <Kilos> oh my
[21:29] <Kilos> Waceman, where are you
[21:30] <Kilos> night guys. i falling of chair here
[21:30] <Waceman> yo, was on the phone
[21:31] <tumbleweed> Waceman: so, what was the problem with the driver package you downloaded from nvidia?
[21:32] <Waceman> OK, so brand new fresh install, on an old pc... everything loads fine... except everything is very slow.. mouse jittering... so I realise nvidia drivers not installed... So installing nvidia-current
[21:33] <Waceman> reboot... all seems fine.. but Unity doesn't load... if I get "Additional Drivers" says driver is activated but not in use"... 
[21:33] <Waceman> removed that driver.. then went to synaptic package manager... installed version 96... which is an older version...
[21:33] <tumbleweed> right, because none of the nvidia drivers packaged for Ubuntu support your card
[21:33] <Waceman> Unity loads on reboot... but still jittery
[21:33] <Waceman> right
[21:33] <tumbleweed> the 96 verison supports GeForce series 2 and later, according to the package description
[21:33] <Waceman> so I found a package.. 71
[21:34] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's what you need
[21:34] <Waceman> yeah, but I have GeForce 256 DDR
[21:34] <tumbleweed> 256 < 2
[21:34] <Waceman> but package 71 is only on nVidia website, not in synaptic
[21:34] <tumbleweed> correct
[21:34] <Waceman> yes
[21:34] <tumbleweed> and now?
[21:35] <Waceman> ok, so Then I try to run the intsallation file, and I get Kernel Source / Headers error
[21:35] <tumbleweed> do you have linux-headers-generic installed?
[21:35] <Waceman> not sure?
[21:36] <Waceman> but I think I"ve tried that
[21:36] <tumbleweed> install it, then
[21:36] <tumbleweed> ok, what exactly was that error you are getting
[21:36] <Waceman> first, I'd like to remove this repository? add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[21:37] <Waceman> cuz I added it for the very latest drivers
[21:37] <tumbleweed> use ppa-purge
[21:37] <Waceman> what's the full command line for that?
[21:37] <tumbleweed> install the ppa-purge package
[21:37] <Waceman> I'm newb my brother ;)
[21:37] <tumbleweed> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[21:38] <Waceman> ok, have found it on synaptic?
[21:38] <Waceman> same thing?
[21:38] <tumbleweed> install it
[21:38] <tumbleweed> yes
[21:38] <tumbleweed> then run sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[21:45] <Waceman> sorry man, had to get rid of a rain spider... ok all is uninstalled...
[21:46] <Waceman> tumbleweed: what's the command of linux-headers?
[21:46] <tumbleweed> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[21:46] <tumbleweed> (you might notice the pattern) :P
[21:47] <Waceman> hehe :)
[21:47] <Waceman> OK, says I already have the newest version
[21:48] <Waceman> This is the driver I'm Installing: http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/linux-display-ia32-71.86.14-driver-uk.html Maybe the readme will make more sense to you.
[21:48] <tumbleweed> sounds right
[21:48] <tumbleweed> ok, what's the error you are seeing?
[21:49] <Waceman> Here's the error log when I run the install file... http://pastebin.com/jnSz3L0K
[21:50] <tumbleweed> it doesn't support your kernel version
[21:50] <tumbleweed> probably expecting 2.6 rather than  3.0
[21:50] <Waceman> ok, anyway around it?
[21:50] <Waceman> ya
[21:51] <tumbleweed> not easily
[21:51] <Waceman> so my PC just too old for 11.10?
[21:52] <tumbleweed> Is nouveau not usable? That's what I use
[21:52] <Waceman> That's what I'm going to try now
[21:52] <tumbleweed> you probably want unity-2d
[21:52] <Waceman> how's the 3d for that?
[21:52] <tumbleweed> 3d causes it to crash, so I avoid that
[21:53] <tumbleweed> but I can get away with a few minutes of 3d every now and then
[21:53] <Waceman> It logs me in with the 3d version, but it's really 2d
[21:53] <Waceman> ok, shall I use synaptic for nouveau?
[21:53] <tumbleweed> (the machine I'm talking about runs Debian, so I haven't tried unity on nouveau)
[21:53] <tumbleweed> also, nouveau 3d support varies between card models
[21:53] <Waceman> worth a try for me
[21:54] <tumbleweed> right, there's nothing you need to install. You're probably already using it
[21:54] <Waceman> I removed all nouveau looking things in synaptic, in case there was a conflict ;)
[21:55] <tumbleweed> ok, in that case install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[21:56] <Waceman> k, will I need to activate it? or is that just for propriotary?
[21:56] <tumbleweed> correct, it'll just work
[21:58] <Waceman> ok, how do I make it auto log in on 2d?
[21:58] <tumbleweed> click on the nut to the right of the login dialog and select unity-2d
[21:58] <Waceman> ok, but I'm not using a login screen... just auto loading into ubunut
[21:59] <tumbleweed> reenable the login screen then :)
[21:59] <Waceman> hehe
[21:59] <Waceman> what kernel is 11.04?
[21:59] <Waceman> kernel version?
[22:01] <tumbleweed> 2.6.38
[22:02] <Waceman> nouveau is just a bit laggy.. no way you can think of getting those drivers installed?
[22:04] <tumbleweed> not without playing with them myself.
[22:04] <tumbleweed> you can wait for nvidia to update them for newer kernels...
[22:06] <Waceman> ok... btw, when I installed the 96 ones... and updated the xorg.conf ... my pc didn't boot into any GUI... 
[22:06] <Waceman> could only use terminal
[22:07] <tumbleweed> right, because X couldn't start with te configuration file you'd told it to use
[22:08] <Waceman> cuz the drivers didn't support my card?
[22:08] <tumbleweed> yes
[22:08] <Waceman> ok thanks man.. you've been very helpful :)
[22:08] <tumbleweed> np
[22:09] <Waceman> which linux do you use?
[22:10]  * tumbleweed is a Debian & Ubuntu Developer. But I primarily use Debian
[22:11] <Waceman> so you are quite hardcore then ;p
[22:11] <tumbleweed> heh, a little
[22:13] <Waceman> thanks man, I'm outta here
[22:15] <tumbleweed> cheers, good luck
[22:15] <tumbleweed> I'm amazed that card is still functional
[22:15] <Waceman> lol - played Quake 3 like a champion
[22:19] <Waceman> tumbleweed: I'm back - if I install an older version of ubuntu, which would you recommend?
[22:19] <tumbleweed> lucid, it's LTS
[22:19] <Waceman> 10.04?
[22:19] <tumbleweed> yeah
[22:19] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[22:20] <tumbleweed> maverick and natty both go out of support next year
[22:20] <Waceman> ok thanks!