[00:33] <swooper> sup peopple
[00:34] <swooper> howdie
[00:35] <swooper> hmm everyone be sleeping
[00:38] <swooper> well i had a couple of suggestions/feedback about xubuntu
[00:38] <swooper> i suppose i should just become a tester then
[00:38] <swooper> XD
[00:39] <ultima> hello guys!
[00:40] <ultima> I have a dude with wich release of xubuntu is the better.. is stable
[00:40] <ultima> I'm trying the last now but I have a lot of problem wtf
[00:42] <swooper> whats up ?
[00:42] <swooper> you ahve a dude?
[00:43] <ultima> hi!
[00:43] <swooper> sup bud
[00:44] <ultima> yes the problem is that the last version Xubuntu 11.10 and also the 11.04 have some problems ...
[00:44] <ultima> for example at startup I have black screen for 30 seconds!! and after that the norma llogin
[00:44] <ultima> so strange!!
[00:44] <swooper> what sort of hardware do yo uhave?
[00:44] <swooper> ie, what are your specs?
[00:45] <swooper> and you had no troubles in previous versions?
[00:45] <ultima> I have a laptop.. an Acer TravelMate with Intel Core 2 Duo 2 Ghz... 2GB DDR2
[00:46] <ultima> in the 8.10 a not have this problmes
[00:46] <swooper> What graphics card do have?
[00:46] <ultima> vga ati radeon
[00:46] <swooper> *shudder* ati
[00:47] <ultima> I know how configure xorg.conf for my card and so I think that the problem is not the video card.... but I don't know what!! I think the new kernel....
[00:47] <ultima> I don't know wtf
[00:48] <well_laid_lawn> probably just needs a kernel option at boot
[00:48] <swooper> haha okay, well im new to xubuntu etc, however, sounds liek a config issue
[00:48] <ultima> what type of option for the kernel???
[00:49] <swooper> seems like other people are havign the same issue
[00:49] <swooper> http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=xubuntu++11+screen+blank+on+boot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[00:49] <ultima> because all works fine... less the startup!!  I have to wait 30-40 seconds in black screen from grub till login screen ..... so strange!!
[00:49] <ultima> but after that all is fine (sorry for my english but is not my mothertongue)
[00:49] <swooper> http://thedaneshproject.com/posts/ubuntu-11-04-blank-screen-on-boot-solved/
[00:50] <swooper> that link has a tutorial on it
[00:50] <ultima> ok now I'll read it.. thanks! ;)
[00:51] <swooper> no worries
[00:51] <swooper> whether benefit or not, xubuntu can possibly use solutions from ubuntu threads and xubuntu threads
[00:52] <swooper> looks liek its a xubuntu specific bug of some sort
[00:54] <ultima> okok thank you very much... now I reboot and try second option you send me ;)
[00:54] <ultima> I'll come back soon !!
[00:55] <swooper> hahah no worries
[00:55] <swooper> knights of xubuntu
[01:05] <swooper> ..la la laaa
[01:09] <ultima> no work for me..
[01:10] <ultima> anybody can help me? Or only tell me what is the problem? kernel, xorg and driver video.. or I don't know what..
[01:12] <ultima> My problem is: I have 30-40 seconds black screen after grub and before the login screen.. because is this the strange thing, that after 40 seconds of black screen start the login screen and all works good!!!
[01:12] <K4k> hi, after an unclean shutdown I can no longer load my desktop in 11.10. only indication of a problem is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log i see a line "power button: close" any ideas?
[01:40] <well_laid_lawn> K4k: what do you mean by "can no longer load my desktop" and "only indication of a problem..." ?
[01:40] <well_laid_lawn> does the login screen show?
[02:16] <K4k> well_laid_lawn: sorry for the delay, the problem is at login the screen flickers and goes back to the login rather than to desktop
[02:18] <K4k> I've been looking at /var/log/audit.log /var/log/Xorg.0.log and there is some output from Xorg -configure. I was able to get startx to load xfce if I 'modprobe radeon'. I think somhow X got mixed up and is trying to load fglrx which I've never had installed (as far as I know)
[02:19] <well_laid_lawn> K4k: the X log should tell you if that's happening
[02:19] <K4k> Xorg.0.log doesn't show any definitive errors. I'm booting it back up now, I'll post up the errors I do see when running startx right after boot
[02:20] <well_laid_lawn> I meant it will tell you what drivers it's using
[02:21] <well_laid_lawn> or trying to
[02:21] <K4k> hmm, let me double check
[02:23] <K4k> well_laid_lawn: so what I've done is generated an xorg.conf and am manually calling the radeon driver. This gets startx to load xfce successfully
[02:23] <K4k> the login manager, however, does not
[02:23] <K4k> The error I see in audit.log is....
[02:24] <well_laid_lawn> K4k: you shouldn't need a xorg.conf these days - try renaming ~/.conf and try the login screen again
[02:25] <well_laid_lawn> the X log also tells what config dir/file it is using
[02:26] <K4k> "[system[ Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.40" (uid=104 pid=2590 comm="lightdm-gtk-greeter" ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" member="GetAll" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.14" (uid=0 pid=1287 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ")
[02:26] <craigbass1976> is there something by default that would lock me out if I got my GUI password wrong too many times?
[02:26] <K4k> lightdm: pam_succeed_if(lightdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "myusername"
[02:27] <K4k> craigbass1976: I don't believe there is in a default install
[02:27] <well_laid_lawn> K4k: that says you didn't give a password
[02:27] <K4k> well_laid_lawn: well, I did
[02:27] <K4k> I can login to console just fine
[02:27] <craigbass1976> I click my name, type my pass, see a black screen (with a smidgen of text flashing) for a split second, then land back at the login screen.  A new user I just set up doens't have this problem at all.
[02:28] <craigbass1976> I can log in via terminal with no problems
[02:28] <K4k> craigbass1976: that sounds identical to my issue
[02:28] <well_laid_lawn>  try renaming ~/.config and try the login screen again
[02:29] <craigbass1976> well_laid_lawn, nope.  SHould I have rebooted first?
[02:29] <K4k> well_laid_lawn: I mv'd ~/.config to ~/.config.old and moved /etc/X11/xorg.conf (the one I made) to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and the same thing happens
[02:30] <K4k> craigbass1976: did you update recently?
[02:30] <well_laid_lawn> you both should logout from everywhere
[02:31] <K4k> I renamed those files and rebooted
[02:31] <craigbass1976> K4k, I believe there was one causing trouble today, but we had other issues at work (a deep paper jam in a very warm laser printer -- a signature pad imploding) and I wasn't paying close attention
[02:31] <craigbass1976> well_laid_lawn, like do it from a livecd?
[02:31] <craigbass1976> K4k, how'd you make out?
[02:32] <K4k> craigbass1976: still no go
[02:32] <well_laid_lawn> no just make sure you move that dir and logout from everywhere then try the login screen again
[02:32] <K4k> I'm in tty1 again just making sure I don't have a half done or broken update
[02:33] <craigbass1976> K4k, I did have some halfassed updates now that you mntion it, and I did finish them
[02:34] <K4k> The only odd thing I did to this laptop before the problem started was I had to hard reset the system due to a graphics driver quirk with this laptop and suspend that I've been trying to work out
[02:38] <K4k> hm, I'm getting GPG errors with apt-get update
[02:39] <well_laid_lawn> !gpg
[02:39] <well_laid_lawn> I've got no idea if that'll help...
[02:40] <K4k> eh....
[02:47] <craigbass1976> Is there such a thing as a Windows livecd yet, or are you still pretty much just screwed when something goes haywire?
[02:48] <craigbass1976> Sorry, that's offtopic, but it occurred to me as I booted to my livecd...
[02:49] <chickenbone> well_laid_lawn: Man I haven't see you in ages. How are things?
[02:52] <K4k> craigbass1976: if you have a copy of windows xp there is a way to use it to create a BartPE image, it's fairly well documented
[02:55] <K4k> in case anyone was wondering, found the fix http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11382985&postcount=2
[02:55] <K4k> (for the sig error, not the login error)
[03:00] <craigbass1976> K4k, bah... I got all excited...  I tried to move /home/me as root, and voila!  I can log into the GUI.  I'm curious as to what the offensive file is...
[03:01] <K4k> craigbass1976: move /home/me as root to where?
[03:01] <K4k> looks like I did have an incomplete update, however, after finishing the update and rebooting I still receive the same error
[03:06] <K4k> I stopped lightdm and tty7 has the brief text up on screen, it says: "PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions  saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned  mountall: Plymouth command failed  mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth" Does that mean anything to anyone?
[03:11] <craigbass1976> K4k, to /home/me.bak
[03:11] <K4k> so moving your home directory and allowing the system to re-create it fixed the issue?
[03:11] <K4k> that seems odd
[03:11] <craigbass1976> K4k, then recreated me and chowned it gave me:me
[03:12] <K4k> hmmm
[03:12] <craigbass1976> chowned it me:me.  Sorry
[03:13] <Gunz4MiPPle> if I set compiz to autostart in my xubuntu session, should it be autostarting when I log into Gnome session, which should be gnome shell?
[03:14] <craigbass1976> So there's some file screwing me up.  I know it's not .profile (which is what one thread on the uibuntu forums suggested) and not the .config directory as well_laid_lawn had me try.  I could go through each and every file in the old /home/me, but it's too much for now.
[03:14] <K4k> I wonder if having my home directory encrypted could have anything to do with this...
[03:14] <craigbass1976> K4k, I've heard that causes issues, but mine wasn't encrypted...
[03:15] <K4k> I'm thinking this machine actually isn't either, I usually do but it does not appear encrypted at the moment
[03:24] <K4k> craigbass1976: do you have a radeon card?
[04:37] <Anom01y> Hi, should Ubuntu 10.04 detect printers being plugged in ? specifically this one -->  brother dcp-7065DN
[04:37] <Anom01y> because it does not, I've tried resetting the computer, unplugging / plugging it in ect ect.
[04:37] <Anom01y> no lick
[04:37] <Anom01y> luck
[04:38] <pleia2> it automatically detects my brother laser printer, but it probably depends on the model, have you tried just going to the Printing app and adding it manually?
[06:20] <Infekted> Hello
[08:30] <cjs> Where is information on my sessions for the Xfce session manager  (xfce4-session) stored?
[08:31] <dirtycookie> hi people, i have installed xubuntu freshly on a system with a lan and wlan card
[08:32] <dirtycookie> now my question is, how do i tell the system that it should do nothing when inserting a usb-wlan-stick
[08:33] <cjs> Hm. Looks like in .config/autostart, at least partially?
[08:34] <dirtycookie> and another question, i have removed accidentally the wlan sound pidgin indicator beside the date. on the upper right corner. how can i restore that
[08:35] <cjs> dirtycookie: That's in the panel. You can right click on the panel, chose "Panel" then "Preferences" from the drop-down menus, and you can then tweak your panel, add new things to it (or old things back), etc.
[08:36] <cjs> As for the usb-wlan stick, I think it should do pretty much nothing by default (except maybe tell you it's been added) when you plug it in. Do you see something different?
[08:37] <dirtycookie> cjs: for the adding items part, what is the item called? as 4 the usb-wlan, the stick gets automatically an ip and i end up with 2 ips on the machine
[08:40] <dirtycookie> cjs: i solved the panel part
[08:41] <dirtycookie> now i need only help with the usb-wlan stick
[08:49] <cjs> Hm. Well, you can manually disconnect the USB stick by clicking on the networking icon in the panel, right?
[08:49] <zus> hello
[08:49] <zus> how is everyone?
[08:49] <cjs> It might be easiest just to let it do what it does, though; the second "connection" should be harmless.
[08:50] <zus> which folder would i put a folder of icons (themes) so that i may choose a theme at will?
[08:51] <dirtycookie> cjs: true but i have other plans
[08:51] <dirtycookie> with it
[08:51] <cjs> dirtycookie: In that case, can you set up your new connection in Network Manager, and make it an autoconnect one? Or will it end up using the internal for that?
[08:53] <cjs> Ah. Network Manager has a "Device MAC address" box that lets you lock a connection to a specific device.
[08:53] <cjs> So set up an auto connection locked to that device, and I suspect that wil come up automatically when you insert the USB WiFi dongle.
[08:54] <dirtycookie> cjs: i will try that
[08:54] <cjs> I presume you know enough about network that you know what you're doing when dealing with a host with multiple interfaces.
[08:54] <dirtycookie> cjs: yea i do, and im used to edit the interfaces file and do things manually. that is all
[08:55] <cjs> Ah, ok. You'll be pleased to know that all the NetworkManager stuff is still under /etc if you chose "share with everybody on this comptuer" or whatever that option is, so it's still pretty comprehensible and manageable with etckeeper and all.
[08:55] <dirtycookie> cjs: do u know btw how to change the font and font-size of the embedded terminal of gedit
[08:55] <cjs> Not off-hand; I'm a vim user.
[08:56] <dirtycookie> ah k
[08:56] <dirtycookie> cjs: the reason that im asking is that i have a eeepc with a small screen size and need therefore a smaller font
[08:57] <dirtycookie> prolly you can help
[08:57] <cjs> Vim in xterm will give you a nice small font. :-)
[08:57] <cjs> dirtycookie: in general, you might start with the DPI of your screen under "Appearance" in the settings manager. That will affect a lot of stuff.
[08:58] <dirtycookie> cjs: is not my machine that is y and the people @ #gnome are sleeping prolly
[08:58] <cjs> That DPI is for your account only; it will not affect anybody else.
[08:59] <cjs> Hang on, got to leave and come back due to messed-up fonts....
[08:59] <cjs> Back.
[09:00] <dirtycookie> cjs: ok one last thing, i need the taskbar in the top pane back, how do i do that??
[09:00] <dirtycookie> i know add item but which one
[09:01] <cjs> The taskbar. Hm. What did that do?
[09:01] <cjs> Oh, show a list of running windows?
[09:02] <dirtycookie> yes
[09:02] <cjs> My guess is that would be "Window Buttons," but I'm not sure. I don't use it.
[09:02] <cjs> There's also a "Window Menu" one, too.
[09:03] <dirtycookie> ah cool was windows buttons
[09:04] <cjs> Wow. All this help from me, and I've only been using Xfce for a few days. :-)
[09:04] <dirtycookie> lol
[09:05] <zus> which folder does a folder for icon themes go into so that i can change them at will?
[09:12] <well_laid_lawn> zus: put it in ~/.icons
[09:13] <cjs> Hibernating. Good luck, dirtycookie.
[09:14] <dirtycookie> cjs: thanks
[09:16] <zus> well_laid_lawn,  thank you,
[09:16] <well_laid_lawn> cheers :)
[09:17] <dirtycookie> ah... another question, where do i change to monospace font??
[09:22] <dirtycookie> anyone??
[09:24] <zus> well_laid_lawn,  i had to create the .icons folder. but it worked. now were i to change one or two icons from a theme already in the lists, where can i find that folder?
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> zus: have a look in /usr/share/icons maybe
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> dirtycookie: change the font in what app?
[09:26] <dirtycookie> the embedded terminal of gedit
[09:26] <dirtycookie> xubuntu has my desired font and font-size but the embedded terminal has a different font-size
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> i've no idea I don't use gedit
[09:27] <well_laid_lawn> might be more gedit users in #ubuntu
[09:27] <dirtycookie> i went to the irc channel of gedit and they said that i "need to set the monospace font size"
[09:27] <dirtycookie> so where do i do that
[09:27] <dirtycookie> ??
[09:30] <zus> thanks well_laid_lawn  now i know where to find them. ta!
[11:57] <zacarias> what's a broken package? How do you solve it?
[12:05] <TheSheep> solve what?
[14:56] <Guest88682> how would i go about adding a program to startup in xubuntu
[15:09] <ablomen> Guest88682, settings => session and startup => application autostart => add
[15:22] <Zacarias> is it possible to install the latest version of Xfce from Xubuntu 10.10?
[15:35] <aboudreault> Hi, is it possible to have a SHOW ALL WINDOWS for xfce4 in xubuntu oneiric?
[16:15] <focalt> yo guys
[16:15] <focalt> I don't know what's wrong with my system
[16:15] <focalt> after installing a rt-kernel
[16:15] <focalt> I get this when sudoing
[16:15] <focalt> focalt is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[16:16] <focalt> what's wrong?
[16:17] <GridCube> focalt: you are trying to su?
[16:17] <GridCube> or to sudo?
[16:17] <focalt> sudo
[16:18] <focalt> or just install something with synaptic
[16:19] <GridCube> you should ask on #ubuntu-kernel
[16:19] <focalt> ok
[16:19] <focalt> thanks
[16:20] <GridCube> i mean its not that i don't want to help you, its just that i dont know
[16:22] <focalt> it seams that my username isn't in the admin group
[16:22] <focalt> I type groups in the terminal
[16:22] <focalt> all I get is focalt audio
[16:24] <GridCube> regroup you
[16:24] <GridCube> oh
[16:24] <GridCube> you cant
[16:25] <GridCube> because your not on the sudoers
[16:26] <genii-around> focalt: Was that username the one you made during install? eg: is it's uid 1000 or something more
[16:27] <genii-around> ( only first user has admin/sudo by default )
[16:27] <focalt> genii-around, yes
[16:27] <focalt> it's the only user I created. I created it during system install
[16:28] <focalt> genii-around, I'm not sure how to check the uid...
[16:28] <genii-around> focalt: Did you do something like try to add it to another group with usermod -g command ? If you don't use -a ( append ) it makes that group the only one you belong to
[16:29] <focalt> yes I did sudo usermod -G audio focalt
[16:29] <genii-around> focalt: There's your problem then
[16:30] <focalt> hum...
[16:32] <focalt> genii-around, what is my workaround?
[16:32] <genii-around> focalt: Boot up to recovery, then edit the /etc/group file and put your username back into the correct groups.
[16:34] <focalt> genii-around, admin group should do it no?
[16:34] <genii-around> focalt: My default groups here are: mike adm dialout cdrom www-data video plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare           as example. You probably need at least adm/admin video plugdev lpadmin and cdrom
[16:34] <genii-around> focalt: Not unless you want to have use admin rights every time to print something or have usb devices detected, etc
[17:11] <Vlyn> Can anyone please help me with getting my java plugin for firefox back? :-( (Xubuntu)
[17:13] <GridCube> Vlyn: how it went off?
[17:14] <Vlyn> GridCube: Java suddenly stopped working properly (Firefox freezes). I reinstalled Java but killed the firefox plugin for it. It’s installed again but ff doesn’t recognize it
[17:15] <Vlyn> How do I tell Firefox to use Java again?
[17:15] <Vlyn> (IcedTea I think, couldn’t find the SUN one in the packages)
[17:16] <Vlyn> I already invested an hour for this problem, so don’t think I’m too lazy to google ^^
[17:16] <GridCube> im looking
[17:18] <GridCube> Vlyn: tried this: http://www.chayx.net/2011/06/how-to-switch-firefox-java-plugin-to-sun-java-on-ubuntu-linux.html
[17:18] <Vlyn> Uhm… I don’t have the Sun Java Plugin
[17:19] <Vlyn> I have IcedTea and the firefox integration is gone
[17:19] <GridCube> http://technonstop.com/install-java-plugin-ubuntu-linux
[17:19] <GridCube> ?
[17:20] <Vlyn> And I don’t have Oracle Java
[17:20] <Vlyn> I think…
[17:21] <Vlyn> Hmm but lemme try
[17:21] <GridCube> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1770326
[17:22] <GridCube> Vlyn: apparently if you have two concurrent java engines installed it will cause a lot of problems, check that you are using only one
[17:22] <Vlyn> GridCube: Works, thanks
[17:22] <Vlyn> Or lets say… it works basically
[17:23] <Vlyn> But the app I want to start doesn’t work
[17:23] <Vlyn> Do you see the contents of the java app at www.knuddels.at?
[17:23] <Vlyn> Maybe it’s a problem with a newer version?
[17:24] <GridCube> i do not know
[17:24] <Vlyn> Is it grey for you?
[17:25] <GridCube> its a lot of pink
[17:25] <GridCube> readed this last one? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1770326
[17:33] <Vlyn> Hm, yeah
[17:33] <Vlyn> But there should be a login
[17:33] <Vlyn> Not only pink
[17:33] <Vlyn> GridCube: In the content window (middle of screen) is there only a gray field?
[17:33] <Vlyn> Or a login prompt?
[17:35] <GridCube> a loging prompt
[17:35] <Vlyn> Damn
[17:35] <GridCube> but im not using xubuntu now
[17:35] <Vlyn> Okay ^^
[17:35] <Vlyn> But the website works…
[17:35] <GridCube> im at work whit an xp machine :P
[17:35] <GridCube> yes it does
[17:35] <Vlyn> Ewwww
[17:35] <Vlyn> Hmm… maybe I should find a way to switch to SUN Java
[17:35] <Vlyn> But it’s not in the Software Center -.-
[17:37] <Vlyn> oh wait… found a way i hope
[17:37] <GridCube> you might need a ppa
[17:37] <GridCube> !info java
[17:37] <Vlyn> add-apt-repository
[17:37] <GridCube> thats a ppa yes
[17:37] <Vlyn> oh, cool ^^
[17:37] <Vlyn> What means ppa?
[17:37] <Vlyn> (Full text)
[17:38] <genii-around> Personal Package Archive
[17:38] <GridCube> !ppa
[17:38] <Vlyn> Thanks :-)
[17:40] <Vlyn> !addppa
[17:41] <Vlyn> It works again!
[17:41] <Vlyn> Hail Sun Java :-)
[17:41] <Vlyn> Thanks guys ^^
[17:55] <dirtycookie> hi people, i have the latest version of xubuntu and added gedit with the embedded terminal plugin
[17:55] <dirtycookie> altough i have set a certain font-size, the plugin has a way larger size
[18:02] <Netoniel> helllloooooo
[18:02] <vooze> I'm trying to run win xp in virtualbox on xubuntu 11.10 but it cant find my GFX card, is there anything im missing in virtualbox?
[18:04] <tsaavik> Hey all, sometimes when I open a gnome-terminal I get a triangular pull tab at the bottom right (for re-sizing the window), sometimes I don't. Any ideas on how to enable that?
[18:05] <well_laid_lawn> tsaavik: I have to ask why you choose to use gnome terminal in a xfce environment?
[18:06] <lamont> in a similar vein, given xfce installed on top of ubuntu-desktop, hints on how to get screen locking to work?
[18:07] <tsaavik> well_laid_lawn: I'm a gnome refugee. My helper scripts spawn gnome terminals, I can change them. Last terminal I used before gnome was Aterm (yes afterstep, lol), so not sure whats best to use.
[18:08] <tsaavik> lamont: mouse -> settings -> screensaver
[18:08] <tsaavik> (the little blue mouse that spawns the menu)
[18:08] <well_laid_lawn> tsaavik: xfce has its' own terminal
[18:09] <lamont> tsaavik: yeah... I need something to populate "screensaver" so that it's on th emenu
[18:09] <tsaavik> well_laid_lawn: xfce4-terminal ?
[18:09] <well_laid_lawn> yeppers
[18:09] <tsaavik> ah cool, and it has a triange (diffrent one, but it works) thanks
[18:11]  * lamont installs xubuntu-desktop just to get all the bits
[18:12] <tsaavik> lamont: oh, you want a button. I think ctrl-alt-del is mapped by default. I added ctrl-alt-l because ctrl-alt-del is kinda a scarey habbit to get used to  :D
[18:14] <lamont> how does one do these mappings in xubuntu?
[18:26] <tsaavik> lamont: sorry, was on another window. mouse -> settings ->keyboard -> application shortcuts
[18:26] <tsaavik> xflock4 seems to be the lock command
[18:27] <well_laid_lawn> tsaavik: you'll have to call it the menu not mouse or you'll confuse ppl
[18:28] <well_laid_lawn> most settings are in menu-settings or menu-system
[18:28] <tsaavik> hehe, okay, how about 'right click desktop' -> settings -> keybaord -> application shortcuts   :D
[18:28] <well_laid_lawn> works fine ;)
[18:29] <JamesMiddendorff> is there a disc management tool in xubuntu?
[18:29] <Vlyn> I want to know that too!
[18:29] <GridCube> disc management?
[18:29] <Vlyn> Ubuntu had a really nice one
[18:30] <tsaavik> like a gui for looking around in the filesystems?
[18:30] <GridCube> i dont know whats that
[18:30] <Vlyn> Disc Space
[18:30] <GridCube> oh
[18:30] <GridCube> gparted?
[18:30] <JamesMiddendorff> tsaavik, like it allows you to format drives and stuff
[18:30] <Vlyn> What files you have and so on
[18:30] <Vlyn> Looked like a cake diagram
[18:30] <Vlyn> Oh okay, false one :-)
[18:30] <GridCube> oh
[18:30] <tsaavik> disk usage analyzer?
[18:30] <GridCube> no idea
[18:30] <tsaavik> right click desktop -> accessories -> disk usage analyzer
[18:31] <GridCube> XD
[18:31] <GridCube> last time i used one of those things was on konqueror back in 05
[18:31] <JamesMiddendorff> tsaavik, I thought it was in the livecd but after I did the install it was gone
[18:31] <GridCube> yes
[18:31] <well_laid_lawn> gparted isn't installed as a default app
[18:31] <GridCube> the cd has software that the installation does not
[18:31] <Vlyn> Don’t have that
[18:31] <GridCube> like gparted
[18:32] <GridCube> !gparted
[18:32] <tsaavik> A commandline equiv to disk usage analyzer is 'du --max-depth=1 -x |sort -n' :D very handy when looking for some free space :D
[18:32] <GridCube> !boabab
[18:33] <well_laid_lawn> df -h   is a shorter version
[18:33] <GridCube> !info boabab
[18:33] <GridCube> :(
[18:33] <tsaavik> well_laid_lawn: the du is better because you can traverse the tree and run it at each level
[18:33] <GridCube> !info baobab
[18:33] <GridCube> :)
[18:33] <GridCube> !baobab
[18:33] <GridCube> oh well
[18:34] <JamesMiddendorff> GridCube, I know what gparted but it wasnt gparted, unless xubuntu changes the name in the menu to something else
[18:34] <GridCube> that shoud do it sudo apt-get install baobab
[18:34] <jcfp> JamesMiddendorff: could be you're looking for gnome-disk-utility
[18:34] <JamesMiddendorff> jcfp, hrmm maybe I wonder if that was what I saw
[18:36] <GridCube> JamesMiddendorff: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Baobab
[18:37] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install baobab
[18:41] <lamont> tsaavik: success!  thanks
[18:42] <Powergiant> Hey guys. I have a problem with my mp3 player in xubuntu. When I had ubuntu, it would automount, but it dosn't in xubuntu. I can see it via lsusb. Do i have to maunally mount it or can it be automated.?
[18:42] <lamont> next up... I want the Compose ability I had under gnome 2... where do I assign that keybinding, I wonder?
[18:43] <tsaavik> lamont: right click desktop -> settings -> window manager tweaks
[18:43] <tsaavik> not sure if thats installed by default
[18:44] <tsaavik> there is a 'Compositor' tab
[18:44] <pollo> hi, i need help ;___;
[18:44] <pollo> any play heroes of newerth ?
[18:44] <tsaavik> help is a bash builtin, you should have it :D
[18:45] <lamont> tsaavik: doesn't show up for me...
[18:46] <tsaavik> The tab, or the tweaks app?
[18:46] <pollo> please man
[18:46] <lamont> right click on desktop gives me a menu with "Desktop settings" that lacks a tweaks tab
[18:46] <lamont> ah. settings -> window manager tweaks
[18:47] <pollo> in linux mint 11 hon have good fps, but in xubuntu 11.10 open gl dont work
[18:47] <pollo> very slow
[18:47] <lamont> tsaavik: this is the ability to type things like "<compose>12" and get 1/2 as a single character glyph in unicode
[18:48] <lamont> tsaavik: which seems different from the Compositor tab
[18:48] <tsaavik> lamont: oh sorry, no idea on that.
[18:49] <tsaavik> pollo: maybe try installing the binary video card drivers
[18:50] <pollo> nvidia settings ?
[18:50] <tsaavik> pollo: right click desktop, settings, additional driveres
[18:50] <pollo> i have it
[18:51] <pollo> yeah yeah, i have 280.13
[18:51] <tsaavik> ah, then you should have gl
[18:51] <tsaavik> what does glxgears show
[18:51] <pollo> but are very slow
[18:52] <tsaavik> for refrence, I get 301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.000 FPS on a builtin intel i5 video card with non-properitary drivers
[18:52] <tsaavik> which is capped to the refresh rate
[18:53] <pollo> i see all datas of glx
[18:54] <tsaavik> can you pastebin it?
[18:55] <tsaavik> do you see the 3 rgb gears?
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_EXT_visual_info
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_EXT_visual_rating
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_SGI_video_sync
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_SGI_swap_control
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_EXT_swap_control
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_ARB_create_context
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_ARB_create_context_profile
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_EXT_create_context_es2_profile
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_ARB_create_context_robustness
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_ARB_multisample
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_NV_float_buffer
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float
[18:56] <pollo> GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB
[18:57] <pollo> GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
[18:57] <tsaavik> so no window with 3 spinning gears?
[18:57] <genii-around> !pastebin
[18:57] <well_laid_lawn> !paste | pollo
[18:58]  * genii-around slides well_laid_lawn a coffee
[18:58] <pollo> sorry, i noob
[18:58]  * well_laid_lawn appreciates a good coffe :)
[18:59] <tsaavik> pollo: it looks like your drivers arn't working, I'd focus on that. Maybe try a reboot and see if 'lsmod |grep nvidia' shows anything. I have to run for a bit, bbl.
[18:59] <pollo> ok, thx :)
[19:00] <pollo> lsmod |grep nvidia =  nvidia              11713772  42
[19:01] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia | pollo
[19:01] <lamont> now how do I unmute this fine machine? (or get sound working - works under unity)
[19:02] <well_laid_lawn> lamont: tried running   alsamixer -c 0   in a terminal and turning things up?
[19:03] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol
[19:04] <lamont> well_laid_lawn: interestingly, they're already all the way up
[19:05] <well_laid_lawn> lamont: make sure none have a m at the bottom
[19:05] <well_laid_lawn> well none you want to use
[19:05] <lamont> correct
[19:05] <lamont> alsamixer and I go back a ways in time
[19:13] <well_laid_lawn> try pavucontrol then
[19:27] <rhin0> not sure why -- my ssd is showing half capacity (installed xubuntu 11.10) ... what could be the reason for an ssd showing 1/2 capacity ... could it be deteriorating?  I have done multiple multiple installs onto it
[19:28] <well_laid_lawn> rhin0: do you use trim with the ssd
[19:28] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[19:29] <rhin0> well_laid_lawn: I just install standard don't change anything -- I would have thought that in order to install onto an SSD linux needs "trim"
[19:29] <well_laid_lawn> rhin0: I no nothing about ssd's except that they needtrim
[19:38] <sysadm_> org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: No more handles [Could not detect registered XULRunner to use] what should i do
[19:41] <sysadm_> org.eclipse.swt.SWTError: No more handles [Could not detect registered XULRunner to use] what should i do
[20:45] <csenger41> hello :)
[20:47] <csenger41> anyone could help me giving executable bit for a file on ntfs?
[20:48] <well_laid_lawn> csenger41: do you want to run the app in wine?
[20:49] <well_laid_lawn> chmod -v a+x /path/to/file   normally works
[20:50] <csenger41> ive tried chmod +x filename but it didnt work
[20:50] <darkgod_> alguien que hable español?
[20:50] <well_laid_lawn> !es
[20:50] <csenger41> once ive found a guide editing some fmask
[20:51] <well_laid_lawn> csenger41: is it a windows application?
[20:51] <csenger41> yup
[20:52] <well_laid_lawn> csenger41: you can't run that in linux except through wine
[20:52] <well_laid_lawn> !wine
[20:53] <csenger41> well_laid_lawn: i know, but the needs to be given executable bit
[20:53] <csenger41> *but the exe needs
[20:54] <well_laid_lawn> Join #winehq for application help
[20:55] <csenger41> well_laid_lawn: well ok
[20:55] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[20:59] <tsaavik> you don't need trim to make SSDs work. Its just a 'nice to have' kinda thing.
[20:59] <csenger41> tsaavik: hm?
[20:59] <tsaavik> @rhin0, sounds like he has a mis-partitioned SSD
[21:00] <well_laid_lawn> afaik trim is needed to properly empty space after file removal
[21:00] <tsaavik> nah, its just a performance thing
[21:01] <well_laid_lawn> you need to research that better
[21:02] <tsaavik> without trim, the manner in which files are deleted are not optimal for an SSD
[21:02] <tsaavik> it won't make your 80GB SSD suddenly boot up as 40GB
[21:03] <tsaavik> and yeah, its not GREAT to run an ssd without trim, but its also not great to run them mounted with atime and with the wrong prefetcher, but they still work.
[21:10] <tsaavik> I can confirm that 11.10 still dosn't mount drives with trim by default. discard is missing from fstab :(
[21:10] <tsaavik> maybe its still not considered stable?
[21:11] <tsaavik> [532394.179917] EXT4-fs (sda1): re-mounted. Opts: discard,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,discard
[21:11] <tsaavik> If i suddenly disappear from irc, you'll know it isn't :D
[21:12] <w30> I need a /dev/mixer. I tried making sym links to some /dev/snd/by-path files (dev) but that didn't work.
[21:12] <tsaavik> You'll need to enable oss emulation, alsa has a mode for this, IF, you are running alsa
[21:13] <tsaavik> checkout snd-pcm-oss
[21:13] <tsaavik> (its a module/kernel option)
[21:14] <w30> tsaavik, I have alsamixer and pulse. I don't know if I hhave alsa
[21:15] <well_laid_lawn> if you have alsamixer you have alsa
[21:15] <tsaavik> try, modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[21:15] <w30> tsaavik, how do I know?
[21:16] <tsaavik> lsmod |egrep "alsa|oss" (unless you compiled them into your kernel)
[21:16] <w30> tsaavik, well I don't have snd pcm oss
[21:17] <tsaavik> yup, you'll need that if you want /dev/mixer
[21:17] <well_laid_lawn> !find oss
[21:17] <well_laid_lawn> install alsa-oss
[21:18] <tsaavik> once you get it working you can tweak where the mappings of the oss mixer to the alsa one by echoing into "/proc/asound/card0/oss_mixer"
[21:18] <tsaavik> course, you might get lucky and it will work outta the box
[21:19] <w30> tsaavik, cx88_alsa              18535  2  shows up
[21:19] <tsaavik> yeah, do what well said "install alsa-oss && modprobe snd-pcm-oss"
[21:20] <tsaavik> brb, nuking a fancy 99cent lunch.
[21:22] <w30> tsaavik, well_laid_lawn, thank you
[21:24] <tsaavik> grats. So what ancient program you trying to get working? :D
[21:26] <drvladimirtzu> I have Windows 7 installed to sdb2, but for whatever reason grub doesn't have a windows listing at startup.  How can I get it there?
[21:26]  * sugar_Xubuntu testing Sweets_Distribution Sugar 0.94 on Xubuntu 11.04
[21:27] <marko_> evning
[21:27] <marko_> Anybody here
[21:28] <tsaavik> drvladimirt you need to edit your grub config. I believe there is a gui tool to assist with this, trying to remeber the name
[21:33] <tsaavik> here is one, I have 0 experience with it: http://www.installubuntulinux.com/2011/05/grubcustomizer-guiconfigurationtool.html
[21:33] <moetunes> !grub | drvladimirtzu
[21:34] <tsaavik> yeah, suprisingly nothing about GUIs in the Grub2 doc
[21:39] <csenger41> hello again
[21:40] <csenger41> please help where can i find that feature where i can set up Xubuntu to show all windows near each other
[22:01] <w30> tsaavik, I can't get snd-pcm-oss out of alsa-oss and snd-pcm is not in the repos. Is snd-pcm-oss module inany other .deb?
[22:10] <tsaavik> might need to get like optional kernel modules
[22:10] <tsaavik> lemme check a dpkg on a machine running alsa
[22:11] <tsaavik> alsa-base, alsa-utils
[22:11] <tsaavik> which you prob already have
[22:12] <tsaavik> maybe try installing linux-source, that might suck in the modules
[22:18] <w30> tsaavik, yep, I have base and utils
[22:21] <w30> tsaavik, ok, will do
[22:27] <w30> tsaavik, no go with linux-source either
[22:29] <tsaavik> oh, ugh
[22:29] <tsaavik> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oss-compat/+bug/659024
[22:29] <tsaavik> you'll have to compile your kernel by hand. There is a link to a guide at the bottom of that
[22:30] <tsaavik> w30, what exactly are you trying to do? I assume you have some ancient audio software you want to make work?
[22:31] <w30> tsaavik, tvtime wants /dev/mixer for volume control
[22:33] <moetunes> oss should have been a dependency of tvtime then
[22:33] <moetunes> !info tvtime
[22:35] <tsaavik> moetunes: yeah, thats his problem, he can't get the alsa oss emulation module loaded
[22:35] <tsaavik> looks like they took it out of the kernel by default :(
[22:35] <w30> the tvtime people have been fired or have quit,
[22:36] <w30> pulse seems to be beta 1 software
[22:36] <w30> can't win
[22:37] <tsaavik> w30: here is a command i found for going direct to alsa. startup tvtime and once running try: sox -t alsa hw:1,0 -t alsa hw:0,0
[22:38] <tsaavik> here is another thing to try
[22:38] <tsaavik> tvtime --mixer=hw:0/Line
[22:39] <tsaavik> that was reported to work in 11.04
[22:43] <w30> tsaavik,  tvtime --mixer=hw:0/Line works
[22:43] <tsaavik> woot
[22:44] <w30> tsaavik, good enough for me, thanks man that way way beyond me
[22:45] <tsaavik> your just tellinging tvtime to use the newer alsa interface instead of oss. Thank the tvtime people :D
[22:47] <olbi> hello
[22:47] <tsaavik> hello
[22:47] <lolwut> Has anyone had any trouble with the network manager in 11.10? I can't get it to work properly. Upon login I have no network connection and the only way I can get it to work is to ifdown then ifup the interface
[22:48] <lolwut> Once I have my wireless card up I have Internet access but the network manage still says "device not ready"
[22:48] <lolwut> Google has failed me here, and I am at a loss as to what to do next
[22:49] <olbi> I have problem, when I want change in nvidia-settings change tab CRT-1
[22:49] <olbi> The program 'nvidia-settings' received an X Window System error.
[22:49] <olbi> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[22:49] <olbi> The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'.
[22:49] <olbi>   (Details: serial 204 error_code 2 request_code 140 minor_code 19)
[22:49] <olbi>   (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
[22:49] <olbi>    that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
[22:49] <olbi>    To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
[22:49] <olbi>    option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
[22:49] <olbi>    backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)
[22:49] <lolwut> use paste bin, olbi
[22:50] <olbi> sorry :P
[22:51] <olbi> http://paste2.org/p/1738831
[22:51] <olbi> I have GeForce 6600GT with NVIDIA drivers
[22:52] <olbi> but this problem is again, first problem was with GF FX5200
[22:52] <tsaavik> olbi: its been a while since i've run my 6600, but as i recall I had to load nvidia-legacy
[22:52] <tsaavik> or something to that effect
[22:53] <olbi> weird is that, that nvidia settings cant load x server display configuration :P
[22:54] <tsaavik> I also had horrible issues with X running out of video ram while trying to run 9.x ubuntu.
[22:55] <olbi> but why I have default 173 while the newest are 285 for this card?:P
[22:55] <tsaavik> my xterms would open as black windows :(
[22:56] <olbi> :(
[23:01] <chickenbone> Is there a way I can download the restricted extras package and transfer them to my desktop PC?
[23:10] <w30> agemoi100
[23:28] <Glitter_Gulch> Hello
[23:29] <Glitter_Gulch> What does every one think of 11.10
[23:40] <tsaavik> I regret moving from 11.04 mainline, fortunately xbuntu was there to make things usable again.
[23:42] <gasbag> tsaavik: That's where I'm at too.  I'm trying to pick up the pieces.