[07:13] <Linuxephus> Question: Does anyone here know in what manner Kopete can be used to send SMS via one's Yahoo account considering the option is Standard for most Instant Messenger programs except for that very option for Kopete?
[07:24] <jussi> Linuxephus: wrong place, that should be asked in #kubuntu :)
[07:27] <Linuxephus> jussi: Eh...I did ask that very question two days ago with Daskreech. And though his information was accurate apparently, I figured I'd ask here just in case. Am I to understand this's strictly for the subject of developing projects?
[07:29] <valorie> packaging and developing, Linuxephus
[07:33] <Linuxephus> jussi: Understood Jussi. Apparently using a logical line of thought to seek further information on the subject doesn't from the "heart of Kubuntu" itself so to speak still doesn't qualify for being on subject (interesting). Be that as it may, let us continue elsewhere.
[07:40] <valorie> hi folks, I just filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamz/+bug/881842
[07:40] <valorie> it would be cool if somebody who uses clamz to download Amazon files would confirm that
[07:41] <valorie> Amarok lets me get the stuff, but the downloader bit isn't done yet, so I was trying to use clamz as a workaround
[07:41] <valorie> there is a patch!
[07:41] <valorie> but I don't know how to apply one to test it out
[08:43] <markey_nokialyze> how does the updating of Chromium work in Kubuntu? I know it has this auto-updating feature, but I guess that's not used because it would break packaging?
[08:43] <bambee> hi
[08:43] <markey_nokialyze> or how do I ugrade it anyway?
[08:43] <markey_nokialyze> to Chromium 15
[08:44]  * markey_nokialyze has used the Daily Snapshots for some time, it worked fine mostly, but sometimes stuff broke. too risky
[09:22] <apachelogger> markey_nokialyze: install google chrome I guess
[09:22] <apachelogger> or look for a PPA that has v15
[09:22] <markey_nokialyze> thanks
[09:23] <markey_nokialyze> not that the differences are huge...
[09:23] <markey_nokialyze> they do incremental git snapshots and release them, every 6 weeks
[09:25] <micahg> markey_nokialyze: it goes with the Ubuntu archive, Chromium 15 should land later today or Thursday hopefully
[09:26] <micahg> ppa:chromium-daily/stable should have 15 soon as well
[13:41] <_Groo_> guys can we include a patch to remove this stupid code until its fixed upstream? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275033
[13:43] <_Groo_> its driving me nuts!
[13:44] <_Groo_> just remove this commit https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/revisions/3bbd4496bc8a01e80df61763bfd0347e8ba7f09a/diff/kioslave/http/http.cpp
[13:44]  * apachelogger thinks if it is a bug it should be fixed
[13:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: this commit doesnt actually add any security, just bugs the user to no end.. thing of UAC :P
[13:45] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:45] <apachelogger> so
[13:45] <apachelogger> it should be fixed
[13:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: since it thinks ALL non authenticated opendesktop calls are a attack, it bugs you if you use choqok, GHNS, plasmoids, Amarok, etc etc
[13:46] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what exactly should be fixed?
[13:47] <apachelogger> whatever is wrong with it
[13:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: IMHO this commit wasnt well thought through
[13:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it brings more pain then it fixes
[13:48]  * _Groo_ thinks he could insert a phonon joke just about now but he wont, he doesnt want to bug apachelogger today ;)
[13:48] <apachelogger> oh, I disagree auth spoofing is a very common attack method amongst script kiddies
[13:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know, but the code doest validate anything, its just stupid like UAC.. hey grannie, are you sure you want to open (insert whataver here), since you openned choqok to see twitter?
[13:50] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:50] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the intention was for konqueror, but this code is used in non browsers!
[13:50] <apachelogger> I am not discussing the bug
[13:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what can be done? it was fine security wise till 4.6.5
[13:51] <apachelogger> it can be fixed
[13:51] <_Groo_> apachelogger: then someone decided that kde wasnt bugging the user for windows standards
[13:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and decided to raise the bar XD
[13:52]  * apachelogger does not have this warning
[13:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: do you have opendesktop user enabled in kde?
[13:52] <apachelogger> how would I know
[13:53] <_Groo_> systemsettings, account details, opendesktop
[13:53] <_Groo_> social desktop sorry
[13:53] <apachelogger> and what does that do?
[13:53] <_Groo_> not open desktop
[13:53] <_Groo_> the description it next to the buttons
[13:54] <_Groo_> its been there forever
[13:54] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you are using kde right? ;)
[13:54] <apachelogger> somtimes
[13:55] <apachelogger> it does not mean that I use all the stuff people try to shove down my throat
[13:55] <_Groo_> apachelogger: we need to eat our own dog food
[13:55] <_Groo_> apachelogger: at least test the features :)
[13:55] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:55] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i even use phonon for god sakes (i couldnt resist)
[13:56] <apachelogger> I do not see the feature
[13:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what you mean you dont see?
[13:56] <apachelogger> I do not see any benefit from this
[13:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ah
[13:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it allows you to rate the plasmoids, use the social plasmoid, hum.. let see what else.., ah yes, use the open desktop twitter like functions... hmmm social stuff
[13:57] <apachelogger> I have no idea how rating is social and all the other stuff is not very useful considering I do not socialize on opendesktop
[13:58] <apachelogger> _Groo_: so, I think the bug is with the opendesktop foo
[13:58] <apachelogger> or the heuristics in the http thing are broken
[13:59] <apachelogger> at any rate it requires an actual fix
[14:36] <yofel> o/
[14:42] <Riddell> anyone want to package calligra beta?  they're sad we don't have it available
[14:42] <fregl> Riddell: question... I just used apt-get source qt-at-spi, rebuilt it, installed it and some of the crashes I used to have were gone. it changed the size of the package and installed to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/accessiblebridge/libqspiaccessiblebridge.so insted of /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/accessiblebridge/libqspiaccessiblebridge.so ... any idea why? 
[14:46] <yofel> Riddell: _Groo_ said something about having some calligra packaging lying around
[14:48] <Riddell> _Groo_: do you have some?
[14:49] <Riddell> fregl: hmm, the directory looks like multiarch, but a bit surprising for it to appear in a recompile
[14:50] <Riddell> hmm, no didier to ping
[14:51] <fregl> Riddell: yeah, that's what I wanted to do, but he was gone
[14:51] <fregl> I got a strange crash in XAtom stuff and wanted to get at least sane debug output. that's why I rebuilt and then it was gone...
[14:52] <Riddell> I wonder if something has changed in our qt package since the qt-at-spi package was last uploaded
[14:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: just did
[14:54] <fregl> Riddell: yeah, if re-uploading it would fix bugs because of some bic issue it would be nice. I don't know. Logging in to unity and back into kde brought me the crashes back, so I was annoyed enough to look at it.
[14:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: dpkg-deb: building package `calligra-dev' in `../calligra-dev_2.3.83+git20111025-0~padoka1_amd64.deb'. dh_gencontrol -pcalligra-others   dpkg-gencontrol: warning: package calligra-others: unused substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends} # only call dh_scour for packages in main if grep -q '^Component:[[:space:]]*main' /CurrentlyBuilding 2>/dev/null; then dh_scour -pcalligra-others ; fi dh_md5sums -pcalligra-others  dh_bu
[14:55] <fregl> I'll try to poke didirocks
[14:55] <_Groo_> the thing is
[14:55] <_Groo_> its not synced with debian, i did my own mojo
[14:55] <yofel> Riddell: if we're talking about qt-at-spi in oneiric, that was uploaded *before* qt was multiarch-ed
[14:55] <_Groo_> and its my regular build, aka, it works, it has everything but its not cleanup yet
[14:56] <Riddell> _Groo_: is it in a PPA or local?
[14:56] <Riddell> yofel: that explains it
[14:56] <_Groo_> you can see above i have a calligra-others which is my laziness talking
[14:56] <_Groo_> Riddell: its local but i can upload to ppa tonight
[14:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: its ugly right now, im waiting for them to close the next beta, but it just works too, nothing broken
[14:57] <Riddell> _Groo_: groovy, to your own PPA?
[14:57] <yofel> we've got some packaging in bzr for calligra - which seems like some outdated copy of the initial debian packaging
[14:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: yep or whatever you want me too.. i dont mind
[14:57] <Riddell> _Groo_: this is 2.4 Beta 3 (2.3.83) ?
[14:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah from yesterday
[14:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: 2.3.83+git20111025
[14:58] <Riddell> _Groo_: lovely, will you e-mail boud when that's up?
[14:58] <_Groo_> Riddell: sure :) 
[14:58] <_Groo_> Riddell: one warning... i know you guys gonna wanna smack me
[14:58] <_Groo_> Riddell: but im lazy, and the files are still in a biiig move around places
[14:58] <_Groo_> Riddell: so i created a calligra-others
[14:59] <Riddell> _Groo_: ok, we'll just label it a testing only package and keep it to your PPA
[14:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: where i dump whatever /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/utils.mk list-missing tells me its missing, so i can move them properly over time
[14:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: so it has that extra package
[14:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: in a proper beta it will be eliminated
[14:59] <yofel> that should probably move to dh7 some time too, but nvm for now
[14:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: its so its easier for me to keep track
[15:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: since i do it manually every week it would be a pain always tighten things up, and file ARE moving a lot, for ex, kexi is being rename, moved, etc, and a lot of others, so this beta packages wil see a lot of changes
[15:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: but its all controled, so a final build wont be affected :)
[15:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: yofel can get away with packages cause he does dailies and puts everything in one big package :D
[15:01] <_Groo_> in neon :D
[15:01] <yofel> :P
[15:03] <_Groo_> yofel: hey its the only way to do it
[15:03] <_Groo_> yofel: it would break anything automatic if it were to be done by packages...
[15:03] <yofel> well, no, but I'll agree that the other one is a PITA right now
[15:03] <yofel> but in neon yeah, doing it any other way is unpractial
[15:03] <_Groo_> yofel: it would... calligra guys move and remove files a lot! its in a constant flux right now
[15:05] <_Groo_> and can someone FOR THE LOVE OF JOBS remove this thing!!! https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/repository/revisions/3bbd4496bc8a01e80df61763bfd0347e8ba7f09a/diff/kioslave/http/http.cpp
[15:09] <_Groo_> hello?
[15:09] <_Groo_> is this still working?
[15:09] <_Groo_> ping?
[15:13] <_Groo_> #foreveralone
[15:19] <apachelogger> I believe I told you already
[15:19] <apachelogger> it needs to get fixed
[15:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: calligra beta is in debian, we just need to eat it from there
[15:19] <apachelogger> well
[15:20] <apachelogger> s/in debian/in a debian git repo/
[15:20] <kubotu> apachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[15:20] <apachelogger> kubotu: orly?
[15:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: which version of calligra?
[15:21] <apachelogger> it's not like it changes a lot :P
[15:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it wont get fixed! the code removal its the fix itself... its just plain wrong the way it is
[15:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ah, you kidding right?
[15:23] <apachelogger> kidding about what?
[15:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: that calligra doesnt change a lot
[15:27] <apachelogger> not at all
[15:27] <apachelogger> _Groo_: what did change much recently?
[15:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the entire kexi naming and parts of the code
[15:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: kword / kspread / no more, changed name and code
[15:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: parts of the kross and the flake infrastructure was shiofted around, disabled or removed
[15:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: let me see.
[15:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lots of stuff going on :D
[15:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: also flow and braindump are new packages and code
[15:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: in constant flux... i believe flow will be a killer app once is ready
[15:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: only visio clone which is actually usable, dia is a mess
[15:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what version is the debian repo? can you paste it here? wanna check it out
[15:35]  * apachelogger goes Oo
[15:35] <apachelogger> calligra != koffice
[15:35] <apachelogger> so I was talking about debian package for calligra
[15:36] <apachelogger> thus all you said does not apply proofing me not kidding :P
[15:36] <apachelogger> _Groo_: just google it
[15:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you really like to bullie me dont you :P
[15:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: about the packaging.
[15:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it moves/renames/removes packages on a weekly basis... its a nightmare to follow
[15:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: for ex, all *kexi* are gone, so are kword/kspread/kwhataver... changed names, libs and the like
[15:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: from a packager point of you its a pain to follow
[15:38] <_Groo_> view*
[16:19] <_Groo_> calligra is getting better by the day :)
[17:04] <ulysses> Anyone has ide why can't I compile libqapt from source on Debian Squeze? error: http://paste.kde.org/138079/
[17:05] <ulysses> (source code was downloaded from KDE mirrors, it's libqapt 1.2.2 stable)
[17:09] <debfx> ulysses: that method got added in Qt 4.7 but squeeze only has 4.6.3
[17:10] <ulysses> debfx: thanks
[17:12] <BarkingFish> guys, do we still have support anywhere whatsoever for v4l1?  Just a thought, was just speaking to a dude in #ubuntu who was compiling drivers for his webcam, which needed videodev.h - and we don't have it anymore from the looks of it.
[17:12] <debfx> you could just comment out the method calls since they don't change the functionality
[17:12] <debfx> BarkingFish: I think v4l1 has been dropped from the kernel
[17:13] <BarkingFish> dang. The problem is, debfx, that there are still drivers which companies haven't rebuilt for webcams and stuff which rely on it.  I think we should have some support somewhere for it, at least until the drivers for these cams are rebuilt.
[17:14] <BarkingFish> The guy was trying to compile a driver for a microdia webcam, and the compile was breaking on linux/videodev.h - no such file or directory
[17:14] <maco> is that v4l1? if so, it hasnt existed in the linux kernel in a year
[17:15] <maco> (at least)
[17:15] <debfx> "V4L1 support was dropped in kernel 2.6.38."
[17:15] <BarkingFish> it went out apparently in the 2.6.38 kernel series
[17:15] <debfx> :)
[17:15] <BarkingFish> so not that long ago, I only came off a 2.6.38 kernel when I moved to Oneiric
[17:16] <maco> oh recenter than i thought
[17:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: just tested new calligra packages, they are all working fine
[17:16] <maco> maybe it was just deprecated earlier?
[17:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: my version has calligra mobile and calligra active too
[17:16] <maco> cuz i remember skype being angry on maverick about my webcam being v4l2 only
[17:16] <_Groo_> Riddell: its up to you guys to decide if they should be included in a oficial version
[17:20] <ulysses> debfx: I compiled libqapt, however compiling Muon dailed due to the kdelibs version (4.4.5, at least 4.5.0 needed)
[17:23] <ulysses> I give up, it was just an experiment, a hungarian user asked if muon is compatible with Debian
[17:24] <ulysses> I won't say him that he should use testing or unstable, best using stable for beginners
[21:11] <agateau> hey, I am preparing an SRU for bug 689242, anyone feels like sponsoring it?
[21:47] <apachelogger> however that became high importance is beyond me
[21:49]  * yofel only fixed the package
[21:50]  * yofel also wonders if we could kill the kwallet backend of python-keyring with fire
[21:50] <yofel> if there's already nobody that wants to fix it
[21:54] <apachelogger> kill it with fire!!!!
[21:54] <apachelogger> upstream
[21:55] <apachelogger> reminds me ... I'd find it best if the lightdm sru wouldn't get uploaded until it is accepted upstream
[21:55] <apachelogger> otherwise an upstream maintainer might call us untrue to our cause again
[21:59] <ScottK> lightdm SRU?
[21:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[22:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug bug 689242
[22:00] <apachelogger> oh, that is a lot of bug
[22:01] <ScottK> Sounds like a lightdm bug.
[22:01] <ScottK> Pretty much by definition.
[22:02] <apachelogger> well, IMHO more like lightdm already not retaining compatibility despite being rather young
[22:02] <apachelogger> some future that will be :P
[22:04] <ScottK> Crap like this really gets my blood pressure up.
[22:05] <ScottK> More reason why I'm on vacation.
[22:10] <apachelogger> :/
[22:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: on the plus side we do not ship lightdm
[22:11] <apachelogger> DM incompatibility with ksmserver is nothing new though ... GDM also breaks it ever so often
[22:14] <dacresni> hey how do I setup automatic crash reporting or saving on Oneric Osolot ? i want to record the bactrace on kernel panics 
[22:16] <ScottK> apachelogger: True, but since it's default in Ubuntu now, if someone whats to have both installed and log into one or the other, it really ought to work.
[22:21] <apachelogger> ScottK: sure, however there is greater annoyance in such a setup
[22:21] <apachelogger> (e.g. missing polkit and polkit being misengineered to require the polkit impl of a desktop)
[22:21] <apachelogger> dacresni: /etc/default/apport
[22:38] <apachelogger> bulldog98, yofel: who complained about the logitech mouse stuff
[22:38] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/673308
[22:38] <apachelogger> this seems rather a lot related
[22:38] <apachelogger> apparently older versions of the kcm seemed to ship a udev rule for that stuff
[22:38] <yofel> bulldog98
[22:40] <apachelogger> oh, yofi, you still up
[22:41] <apachelogger> wanna package phonon 4.5.1?
[22:43] <dacresni> apport doesn't record  kernel panics does it? 
[22:44] <apachelogger> well, if it is a real panic then no
[22:44] <dacresni> so how do i record kernel panics? 
[22:44] <dacresni> i looked up grub2 and crashkernel
[22:45] <dacresni> i found this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/grub2-howmany-782442/
[22:45] <dacresni> no I mean this http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId661841
[22:46] <apachelogger> dacresni: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging
[22:46] <apachelogger> also see #ubuntu-kernel for more information
[22:46] <dacresni> oddly enough, that one is kind of out of date 
[22:46] <dacresni> it shows how to configure crashkernel for grub1 not grub2