[00:51] <omac> hi there.  Is there a way of simply booting ubuntu straight from a microsdhc card without affect the currently installed android.
[00:52] <twb> omac: what device
[00:52] <omac> i have an p10an01
[00:53] <omac> chinese clone dual-tegra
[00:53] <twb> NFI
[00:53] <omac> roughly 250$CAN
[00:54] <omac> it's jailbroken with z4 root
[00:54] <twb> But on the asus transformer, you need to replace the bootloader if you want to boot off SD, which will indirectly affect android, since you'd need to make sure the new bootloader could still boot android or chainload the old bootloader
[00:54] <twb> omac: I don't use android so that means nothing to me
[00:55] <omac> in order for me to change a file on the android filesystem, it need to be root.
[00:55] <omac> so if you tell me which android bootloader I should use in order to enable booting from microsdhc, I'll give it a shot.
[00:56] <twb> uh, not an android bootloader
[00:56] <tony_abad> Hey folks.  I've got a problem compiling a kernel module with the 3.0.4-x3 kernel
[00:57] <twb> omac: you'll need to find a bootloader that supports your device; I have no idea if there is such a bootloader.  Also to install it, you will need to be able to flash parts of the nonvolatile storage *outside* the android filesystem, so it is completely irrelevant if you have "rooted" it or whatever.
[00:57] <tony_abad> I grabbed the kernel headers from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/sid/v3.0.4-x3/.  However, there seem to be some missing headers.  e.g. the mach/irqs.h header.
[01:20] <tony_abad> I'm having trouble compiling a kernel module for 3.0.4-x3.  Can anyone help me?
[12:16] <ppisati> hp + calxeda: did you read it? :)
[12:16] <ppisati> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/26/hp_calxeda/
[12:17] <dtrg> I see that armhf isn't listed on https://launchpad.net/builders --- is the armhf farm not running yet, or is it too new to be on that page?
[12:18] <ogra_> ppisati, i guess we will see a lot HP people at UDS then :)
[12:18] <ogra_> at least server guys
[12:18] <ogra_> (HP just committed to the ubuntu cloud as their default linux server option before)
[12:21] <soren> ogra_: orly? [citation needed] :)
[12:21] <ogra_> soren, ??
[12:21] <soren> ogra_: "(HP just committed to the ubuntu cloud as their default linux server option before)" <--- Where was this announced?
[12:23] <ogra_> soren, http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/10/ubuntu-powers-hp-public-cloud/
[12:23] <ogra_> also on plenty of news sites if you google for "HP ubuntu could"
[12:23] <soren> ogra_: Oh, I missed the part about it being the lead guest OS as well. Thanks!
[12:23] <ogra_> :)
[12:24] <ogra_> i would have expected especially *you* to know about it :)
[12:24] <lilstevie> haha
[12:25] <lilstevie> that was fairly big news
[12:27] <ogra_> lilstevie, well, and soren is an ubuntu cloud guy :)
[12:27] <soren> I blame jetlag at the time :)
[12:27] <lilstevie> figured
[12:28] <ogra_> soren, you are already in orlando ?
[12:28] <lilstevie> ogra_: is there a chan where the guys that did the AC100 kernel are?
[12:28] <soren> ogra_: No. I arrive on SUnday.
[12:28] <lilstevie> I have a few questions, trying to fix up my 2.6.38 kernel
[12:29] <soren> ogra_: I thought this week was Somehands or whatnot?
[12:29] <ogra_> lilstevie, #ac100, look for marvin24, though he is usually around here as well if he is online ... and phh did the very first porting of the original android kernel
[12:29] <soren> ogra_: What am I missing out on? :)
[12:29] <ogra_> soren, Dx sprint i think
[12:29] <lilstevie> ogra_: ah k, I am interested in the 2.6.38 kernel stuff
[12:29] <soren> ogra_: Why would I attend that? :D
[12:29] <ogra_> soren, no idea, i fly to maine tomorrow and only move on on sunday
[12:30] <ogra_> soren, just because you blamed your jetlag :)
[12:30] <soren> ogra_: Oh, no, I was jetlagged when that HP cloud press release went out.
[12:30] <ogra_> ah
[12:31] <ogra_> i thought you were actually attending the talk in person
[12:31] <soren> I would have, but I had to leave early. My daughter turned 3 years old that day.
[12:31] <ogra_> oh, indeed, thats more important
[14:20] <tony_abad> Hi, I need help installing a kernel module on a beagle board running ubuntu arm.
[14:21] <ogra_> modprobe ?
[14:21] <tony_abad> I wish it was that easy.  I need to compile a kernel module from source.  The problem is that there seems to be some missing header files in the kernel header source directory.
[14:22] <tony_abad> for example, irq.h wants to include irqs.h from the mach directory.  But there is no irqs.h header in that directory.
[14:22] <ogra_> did you install the package already ?
[14:22] <ogra_> (to get the headers)
[14:23] <tony_abad> i did.  installed the 3.0.4-x3 image
[14:23] <ogra_> and the respective headers package ?
[14:24] <tony_abad> and got the headers from http://rcn-ee.net/deb/sid/v3.0.4-x3/
[14:24] <ogra_> the image package only carries binaries
[14:24] <ogra_> that cant work
[14:24] <ogra_> its a debian package
[14:24] <ogra_> our kernels are built completely different from debians
[14:25] <tony_abad> ok.  where can i grab the header files from?
[14:25] <ogra_> you need to use the ubuntu linux-image and linux-headers packages
[14:25] <ogra_> apt-get source indeed
[14:25] <ogra_> theoretically they should be preinstalled on all our images
[14:26] <tony_abad> apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) didn't fetch me anything.
[14:26] <tony_abad> that is, for 3.0.4-x3
[14:26] <ogra_> but you are using an official image ?
[14:27] <tony_abad> i'm using the 3.0.4-x3 image from that website.
[14:27] <ogra_> sigh
[14:27] <ogra_> what did you install as OS there
[14:27] <ogra_> did you use an official ubuntu image
[14:27] <ogra_> or something from some third party which we cant help with
[14:28] <tony_abad> i dont think it was from a 3rd party.  a fellow engineer said he installed that ubuntu arm kernel.  i got the board...it's an 11.04 ubuntu server distro.  the kernel is 3.0.4-x3.  thats all i know.
[14:28] <ogra_> (if it wasnt an official ubuntu beagle install, please talk to the third party whose image you used)
[14:29] <ogra_> tony_abad, well, you are already not using an ubuntu but a debian kernel package on your image
[14:29] <ogra_> so please talk to the person providing that kernel to you
[14:29] <ogra_> we cant help here, the default ubuntu images have everything preinstalled you need to compile a kernel module
[14:31] <tony_abad> unfortunately, i dont have the answer right now about from where the image was required.  but lemme step back and ask two possibly noobish questions.  first, do you know if the latest official ubuntu release (11.10) works with the beagle board?
[14:31] <tony_abad> nevermind the second question.  just that one question.
[14:31] <ogra_> it does, there are some issues reported with beagle XM revC and USB though
[14:32] <ogra_> all others should work OOTB
[14:32] <ogra_> the official images can be found via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP
[14:33] <tony_abad> ok, that's good to know.  from what i remember, my co-worker had to find a patched version of 11.04, but I don't know if it was because it was revC.  ogra_ , thank you for your assistance and your patience.  have a good day.
[14:34] <ogra_> youre welcome :)
[15:07] <dtrg> I see that armhf isn't listed on https://launchpad.net/builders --- is the armhf farm not running yet, or is it too new to be on that page?
[15:14] <GrueMaster> dtrg: it is still being bootstrapped.  should be online soonish.  Check back after UDS next week.
[15:15] <GrueMaster> ogra_: what's up with the ac100 audio?  I only have `controls for HP, but no sound.
[15:16] <GrueMaster> Latest kernel in Oneiric-proposed (I think).
[15:20] <dtrg> UDS?
[15:21] <GrueMaster> Ubuntu Developers Summit.  Where we figure out what we're doing for the next 6 months.
[15:21] <dtrg> Aha. Right.
[15:22] <dtrg> Where's a good place to get information on this stuff, other than hassling people on IRC?
[15:22] <GrueMaster> heh.  http://uds.ubuntu.com
[15:23] <dtrg> Really thinking of the progress of the armhf port here.
[15:24] <GrueMaster> Well, it may be a bit slow, gettingeverything ported and tested.  But it should be smoother than armv7/thumb2.
[15:25] <dtrg> I have a shiny new AC100. Ubuntu armel runs fine on it, but running armel on a Tegra2 seems a bit of a waste.
[15:25] <GrueMaster> yep.  I'm on one now, building banshee
[15:27] <dtrg> Currently I'm running Debian, but Debian don't have AC100 kernels working properly yet --- no partition table support, so they're a pain to upgrade, and it's rather unstable. So I'm really looking forward to Ubuntu armhf becoming usable.
[15:27] <dtrg> Rumour has it that multiarch will let me install armel and then upgrade to armhf later. Is this realistic?
[15:28] <GrueMaster> I don't know.  slangasek might have some insights on this though.  He's been spearheading multiarch.
[15:29] <dtrg> OK.
[15:29] <GrueMaster> But I'm sure that if someone says it is supported, I'll have to test it.  :)
[15:29] <dtrg> It's a tough job, but somebody's got to do it...
[15:30] <GrueMaster> That's why I'm here.  I find the bugs that make engineer's brains bleed.
[15:43] <slangasek> dtrg, GrueMaster: sure, it will be possible to cross-grade from armel to armhf, with a little work
[15:44] <slangasek> there's one library outstanding that I haven't converted yet which is a prerequisite (bzip2)
[15:45] <dtrg> How horrible is it? Do I end up with all my libraries in the wrong(tm) place, because /lib and /usr/lib get reserved for armel?
[15:45] <GrueMaster> ah, cool.  As soon as we start building, I'll try to do some testing on it.
[16:15] <slangasek> dtrg: with multiarch, your libraries are already moving to /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi, so the armhf libs can be installed alongside
[16:16] <slangasek> this is already done for most key libraries
[16:16] <slangasek> (but the farther up the stack we get, the easier it is for the package manager to calculate an "upgrade" path for switching archs)
[16:37] <ogra_> GrueMaster, look in the ac100 wiki (url in topic of #ac100), there are suggestions for alsamixer settings
[16:38] <GrueMaster> ok.  Will do (if wifi can maintain long enough).
[16:38] <ogra_> heh
[16:39] <ogra_> might be that you have one of the bad wifi cards, compal managed to put an aluminum foil over the LCD back that seems to cover the wlan antenna on many devices
[16:39] <ogra_> if you open the fram and cut out the piece that covers the antenna wifi will work better
[16:39] <GrueMaster> I may just switch to my Acer Aspire One.  While I love the AC100 for its battery life, 512M sucks.
[16:40] <ogra_> if you see issues at UDS too, tell me
[16:40] <ogra_> add zram and a swapfile :)
[16:40] <GrueMaster> Yep
[16:40] <ogra_> ogra@horus:~$ free|grep ^Swap
[16:40] <ogra_> Swap:      1487740     251412    1236328
[16:40] <ogra_> :)
[16:40] <ogra_> i can run a mailer, xchat and browser at the same time without issue
[16:42]  * ogra_ goes back to pack his bags for tomorrow
[16:50] <GrueMaster> Starting decent to Minniapolis/St. Paul.  Time to drop off for a bit.
[16:50] <tony_abad> Hello.  I'd like to install Ubuntu Server on a Beagle Board, Rev C.  Can someone tell me which image to use of those listed at wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP?
[17:03] <xranby> tony_abad: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-server-armel+omap.img.gz
[17:03] <xranby> tony_abad: check this page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/
[17:04] <tony_abad> Thank you xranby.   I just wanted to make sure that 11.10 was an option (I had read somewhere recommending sticking with 11.04).
[17:04] <xranby> tony_abad: this are the latest release, if you run into any issues ile a bug
[17:04] <xranby> file a bug
[17:05] <tony_abad> Will do.  The one thing I am hoping I can do here that I couldn't using a 3rd party patched image is compile and install a kernel module that I absolutely need in my app.
[17:05] <xranby> tony_abad: after you have booted up the release run an apt-get update  apt-get upgrade to make sure you got the latest updates
[17:06] <xranby> i would recomend you to start by expecting everything to work as intended out of the box
[17:07] <xranby> tony_abad: which kernel module do you need?
[17:12] <tony_abad> I need to install the kernel module for the Kvaser Leaf.  We use it to interface with the can network on which we host the amps/motors on our robot.  I had been using it and ubuntu 11.04/11.10 just fine on a pico itx.  But we need to move to an ARM.