[00:18] <rhin0> xubuntu seems ok apart from the menu bar at the bottom of the screen
[00:18] <rhin0> how do you remove it
[00:18] <rhin0> is irritating
[00:20] <rhin0> can be minimized but i haven't managed to get rid of it
[00:22] <tsaavik> Good news is you can get rid of it, bad news is I forgot how i did it :D
[00:23] <tsaavik> maybe run 'xwininfo' from a terminal window then click on it to get the name, then kill it or google it to findout how to make it go away. I'm out, see ya all tommorrow :D
[00:23] <madnick> just right click to remove it :)
[00:23] <madnick> rightclick -> panel
[00:28] <holstein> yeah, its a panel like the other one rhin0
[00:28] <holstein> which i appreciate since its integrated, and not an extra piece of software
[00:30] <holstein> anyone using compiz ?
[00:40] <w30> holstein, I got compiz going pretty much the way I want it.
[00:41] <holstein> w30: you mind talking about it a bit?
[00:41] <holstein> im having a bit of a hassle
[00:41] <w30> holstein, except for window border selection
[00:41] <holstein> unfrotunately, i only have a few minutes, and i dont have the mahcine in front of me now
[00:41] <w30> holstein, I can try
[00:41] <holstein> w30: really, just hearing that you got it and its working is enough
[00:41] <holstein> makes me feel hopeful about it ;)
[00:45] <holstein> w30: is this pretty much all you did?
[00:45] <holstein> compiz --replace ccp &
[00:47] <w30> holstein, yes that should give basic compiz but you need to check some options like window decorations etc, in ccms (configure application)
[00:48] <w30> holstein, you really need ccms downloades to get windows to resize, maximumize etc.
[00:49] <holstein> yeah, i got that, but for example... my virtual desktops go away, and i cant seem to make them come back under compiz
[00:49] <holstein> i might have borked something using CCSM
[00:49] <holstein> CCMS*
[00:51] <w30> holstein, you have to set them with ccms, general options desktop size mine is horizontal 4 vertical 1 Number of desktops 1
[00:51] <holstein> w30: OK
[00:51] <holstein> thats helpful
[00:51] <holstein> i'll look again
[00:52] <holstein> i think im just getting used to what is what coming from gnome
[00:53] <holstein> w30: thanks... BBL
[00:54] <w30> dcc chat holstein
[00:54] <zacarias> how do you force an application to quit (probably with CLI)?
[00:55] <ball> zacarias: "man kill"
[00:55] <ball> (there are different signals you can send a program to kill it)
[00:55] <ball> s/program/process/
[00:55] <w30> zacarias, use ps auxw to find the pid then kill -9 pid
[00:56] <zacarias> ball: "man kill"? wouldn't it be necessary to specify the app?
[00:56] <w30> zacarias, sledgehammer way killall <application>
[00:56] <ball> w30: I'd probably try HUP first, it's more gentle.
[00:57] <ball> zacarias: "man" shows you the manual page
[00:57] <w30> ball, yeah you are right, I assume he has emergency and needs quick help
[00:58] <ball> w30: fair enough.
[01:01] <w30> ball, like his cat stood on his print screen key hehe
[01:01] <zacarias> w30: thanks. Yes, I needed quick help. ball: thanks too
[02:58] <w30>  I would like to edit my applications menu. How can I get to it?
[03:17] <satellit_> w30 sudo apt-get install alacarte
[03:17] <Unit193> w30: What version of Xubuntu?
[03:18] <satellit_> works on 11.04
[03:18] <satellit_> The newly released Xfce 4.8 is included. The menus in Xfce 4.8 are now editable with any menu editor that meets the freedesktop.org standards. The suggested editor is alacarte. "
[03:18] <Unit193> Won't help him if he's using 10.04 though
[03:19] <satellit_> ok
[03:19] <Unit193> Also, you bring it half of gnome if you don't use --no-install-recommends
[03:21] <satellit_> nice to know....
[03:23] <satellit_> Unit193 edited my page on wiki to reflect this...http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu#Sugar_Desktop_0.94_on_xubuntu_11.04
[03:25] <Unit193> satellit_: That's great! First time hearing of the program though. Did you try it or are you trusting a random internet person? ;)  I am just trying to help, not beat you down :)
[03:26] <satellit_> Unit193: I test for sugarlabs. the Sweets_sugar install should work flawlessly on any Ubuntu variant 11.04...
[03:26] <satellit_> I have a 250 GB external USB install with it here. works geat
[03:26] <satellit_> s/great
[03:27] <well_laid_lawn> that's bad regex there...
[03:27] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[03:28] <satellit_> Also on trisquel 5 sugar http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Sweets_Distribution#Releases
[03:30]  * w30 is on 11.10
[03:30] <w30> \agemoi100
[03:49] <techvish81> which window manager does xubuntu use?, can i use metacity so as to use themes for metacity?
[03:50] <pleia2> it uses xfwm, I don't know about replacing it with other wms though
[03:54] <techvish81> anybody?
[03:54] <w30> alacarte works fine on xubuntu 11.10   *big smile*
[03:55] <Unit193> Great we are glad it worked
[04:08] <w30> techvish81, i use gtk themes in my xubuntu but I think you can use what you like. Right now I am confused about xfvwm4 xfce4 gtk-window-decorator and how they make up a desktop
[04:09] <w30> agemoi100
[04:12] <w30> techvish81, metacity is in synaptic
[04:13] <techvish81> i want to change my file manager to nautilus, without changing the desktop environment to gnome, is it possible?
[04:14] <techvish81> metacity is there but only installation will do or i will have to do something?
[04:18] <techvish81> i have got a high end system and i was trying all the distros there to get an alternative to ubuntu, i liked xubuntu and installed it, i'm quite satisfied by it , but still i'm missing somethings, eyecandy and filemanager functionality.
[04:19] <techvish81> compositing option is very good though.!
[04:20] <w30> techvish81, I hace installed stuff that pulls in some gnome libs as dependencies so I would suggest make a install click then chec what dependencies it wants to pull along with it
[04:20] <w30> techvish81, before you apply
[04:21] <w30> techvish81, if it wants gnome then back out
[04:24] <w30> techvish81, Heh, I'm in here because of gnome3 in fedora and unity in ubuntu.  KDE always was bloated in my mind so I never got to see KDE4
[04:24] <techvish81> i installed nautilus, it pulled som gnome libs as dependencies, now i want to set it as default and use it without full gnome environment,
[04:25] <w30> techvish81, I am just like you except I have got fedora 15 Unity 11.04 and xubuntu 11.10 being triple booted
[04:27] <techvish81> kde is a real headache, i installed kubuntu but it kept crashing repeatedly,  and i was unable to connect to my dsl, so i installed gnome network manager applet, but it messed my system and the popup menus where flying high as if filled with helium or something
[04:29] <techvish81> they were free to appear anywhere in the desktop. i killed them all...... formatted my system hahahah
[04:32] <techvish81> how is fedora? i've not tried it yet.
[04:32] <w30> techvish81, try settings preferred applications the utilities in the application and check nautilus
[04:33] <techvish81> tried but it does nothing except showing nautilus there
[04:35] <w30> techvish81, its got the awful full screen window for applications; I mean to open an app you have to click on a button and a whole page of 1 inch icons open up and still you have to scroll.
[04:37] <w30> techvish81, it turns your computer into a 2 foot square smart phone
[04:38] <w30> techvish81, duh, I can't wait to get a tuch screen with peanut butter and jelly or Pork Rind grease all over it.
[04:39] <techvish81> u mean icecream sandwich?
[04:39] <w30> techvish81, I will for once agree with Steve Jobs on this call.
[04:42] <w30> techvish81, ha, good one *smile*
[04:42] <techvish81> jobs was a real businessmen rather than a technogeek, he decided to take on the upper and uppermiddle class for his products, and tried to make it a style/status symbol to create an extra urge in the hearts of customer
[04:45] <techvish81> i gonna go now ,
[06:52] <ktwo> hi im getting disconnected from wifi very often i noticed  that a diffrent firmware is loaded rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin than my adapter : Realtek RTL8188CUS   - can this be the reason?
[06:53] <well_laid_lawn> it should say something about it in dmesg
[06:56] <ktwo> before the disconnect happens
[06:56] <ktwo> i get  [ 2327.376116] cfg80211: All devices are disconnected, going to restore regulatory settings
[06:56] <ktwo>  2329.379679] wlan0: authentication with 98:0c:82:3b:6f:6a timed out
[06:59] <well_laid_lawn> do you think there is a better driver it could be using?
[07:02] <ktwo> i dont know realtek has one
[07:02] <ktwo> but it isnt for 3.0 kernel
[07:04] <well_laid_lawn> I thought realtek had good support in the kernel - I don't use any realtek tho
[07:26] <chebureque> Hi there! could anybody tell how to change combination of keys for switching between desktops?
[08:06] <ushills> hi, can anyone tell me how to turn compositing on with 11.10, accidently turned it off on my account.
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> it's in window manager tweaks
[08:08] <ushills> Where can i find that as it's not in settings.
[08:09] <ushills> Sorry, being dumb found it
[10:52] <olbi> hello
[10:53] <olbi> problem with graphic cards was resolve :]
[10:53] <olbi> legacy drives was problem :P
[10:54] <olbi> now I have question, I have Blueman
[10:54] <olbi> and connect with my Phone but cant explore it, cause app say that in system isnt installed nautilus
[10:54] <olbi> how I can avoid it?
[11:53] <kasztan85> anybody knows how i can disable shorcut ALT + LMB in XFCE ?
[11:54] <TheSheep> kasztan85: you can bind it to a different key than alt
[11:54] <kasztan85> how?
[11:54] <TheSheep> kasztan85: in the window manager tweaks
[11:54] <TheSheep> kasztan85: second tab, afair
[11:55] <knome> tab "accessibility" (3rd tab)
[12:16] <kasztan85> TheSheep, thx :)
[12:23] <gast__1> hi
[13:01] <Alan> wc
[13:01] <Alan> oops
[13:31] <wehgwg> Why can I not get any vim colorschemes to work correctly in the terminal?
[13:32] <wehgwg> I can see that the colors have changed, but they don't look like the screenshots
[13:33] <wehgwg> They look bad
[13:37] <wehgwg> Also, my cursor seems to change size when I move away from some windows
[13:37] <wehgwg> It becomes huge
[13:37] <wehgwg> I tried changing the cursor settings, but it only affects the cursor when it is over some windows
[13:37] <wehgwg> like Firefox or the terminal
[13:40] <TheSheep> wehgwg: the screenshots are probably made from gvim
[13:40] <TheSheep> wehgwg: which is a gui app, so has more colors available
[13:41] <TheSheep> wehgwg: normal vim is a terminal app and so only has 16 colors
[13:44] <wehgwg> :(
[13:45] <TheSheep> it's possible to set up your terminal to support 256 colors
[13:46] <wehgwg> http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Using_GUI_color_settings_in_a_terminal
[13:46] <TheSheep> but I never bothered
[13:46] <wehgwg> Found this
[13:46] <wehgwg> will try the guicolorscheme plugin
[13:47] <TheSheep> cool
[13:48] <wehgwg> Are plugins loaded automatically or do I need to do something in .vimrc?
[13:50] <TheSheep> I would ask at #vim
[13:50] <TheSheep> they know much better
[13:57] <wehgwg> YAY
[13:57] <wehgwg> :D
[13:57] <wehgwg> Proper colors in terminal vim
[13:57] <wehgwg> I am so happy
[13:57] <wehgwg> ALL HAIL VIM
[16:43] <antnash> Hey guys. I'm running tightvnc server and it was working perfectly until I rebooted. Now I've got no desktop, just a black/yellow screen and a cross for a cursor. Anyone able to help?
[16:44] <GridCube> hmmm
[16:44] <GridCube> i do not know what a tightvnc is
[16:44] <GridCube> :/
[16:45] <GridCube> sorry
[16:45] <antnash> vnc server
[16:45] <antnash> How do I reconfigure xorg?
[16:45] <GridCube> so you are trying to access to a xubuntu desktop, or from a xubuntu desktop
[16:45] <GridCube> antnash: fastway: delete xorg.conf
[16:46] <GridCube> its autoconfigurable, if it worked it will work again
[16:46] <antnash> to xubuntu, and I don't have xorg.conf
[16:46] <antnash> where would it be?
[16:47] <Myrtti> there isn't one
[16:47] <antnash> No, I have no xorg.conf
[16:48] <GridCube> oh
[16:48] <Myrtti> how do you want to configure xorg?
[16:48] <GridCube> thats weird then
[16:48] <Myrtti> no, it's not really
[16:48] <Myrtti> :-D
[16:48] <Myrtti> xorg is autoconfigured by the system, if you don't have xorg.conf that's normal
[16:49] <antnash> Myrtti, my problem is that my vnc server has all of a sudden gone wrong. No desktop being displayed
[16:49] <antnash> Just a cross as a cursor
[16:49] <Myrtti> well that sounds more like a problem of the desktop environment than x
[16:49] <Myrtti> xorg is working fine, it's the desktop environment that's missing
[16:50] <antnash> I'm using startxfce4 to start it. Is there another way?
[16:50] <antnash> like exec xfce-session?
[16:50] <antnash> Something like that?
[16:50] <Myrtti> you don't have a DM to manage logging in and selection of the environment?
[16:51] <antnash> This is with vnc
[16:51] <antnash> huh. Wierd, it's back
[16:52] <antnash> Anyway, is the way xubuntu starts   exec xfce4-session  ?
[17:00] <antnash> Does anyone know the command that xubuntu uses to kick off an xfce session?
[17:01] <TheSheep> it's a whole bunch of commands, afaik
[17:26] <w30> when I switch to a virtual terminal with ctrl alt Fn and back the desktop won't redraw. If I select a rectangle with the mouse it redraws. Nvidia Driver problems?
[17:28] <w30> What driver should I use for GForce 7900 GT/GTO
[17:36] <w30> antnash, look at startx,it uses xinit and parses xclient xsession etc. last time I looked anyway
[17:37] <antnash> w30, that's not my only problem. I just tried to run 'sudo software-center' and it killed the vnc session
[17:38] <antnash> If I try and run any graphical programs which require sudo then I get no permission
[17:38] <GridCube> because you should gksu?
[17:39] <GridCube> !gksu
[17:41] <antnash> GridCube, It's even when I run them from the app menu
[17:42] <GridCube> as i said earlier, i know near nothing about vnc :(
[17:44] <w30> antnash, I ran vnc sometime ago and could only get startkde to work so I am awfully dumb on that.
[17:44] <antnash> lol
[17:44] <badapple> hi
[17:45] <badapple> =)
[17:45] <antnash> Well I got xfce working, but not the full dekstop
[17:45] <badapple> somebody knows how i make xubuntu to starts the numpad automaticlly ?
[17:47] <moetunes> I use numlockx added to autostarted apps
[17:47] <w30> antnash, the trouble with startx is that it's set to run on display:0 so you would have to redo startx somehow
[17:47] <w30> antnash, I nver made it any further *frown*
[17:48] <badapple> moetunes, thanks =)
[17:48] <moetunes> np
[17:48] <antnash> lol
[17:49] <badapple> moetunes, and do you know how to make the ntfs partitions to start with ubuntu ?
[17:49] <moetunes> !fstab | badapple
[17:49] <antnash> there's no way to pass parameters to startxfce4 or xfce4-session then?
[17:51] <badapple> moetunes, thanks but i dont know what to write in  /etc/fstab
[17:51] <badapple> :/
[18:02] <w30> badapple, can you mount the drives from the gui after you start the desktop?
[18:04] <w30> if you can, make a mount point and modify the mtab entry and put it in fstab
[19:23] <xubuntu323> hi there, just installing xubuntu 11.10 on my flash usb: maybe in 12.04 I'll switch from Ubuntu to Xubuntu :)
[19:36] <badapple> guys how can i open a folder like root without installing nautilus ?
[19:38] <xGrind> sudo thunar
[19:38] <Unit193> !gksu
[19:39] <Unit193> badapple: You should be able to right click in the folder and "Open folder as root"
[19:40] <badapple> Unit193, yes , i did it =) i just added the option "gksudo thunar" =)
[19:41] <badapple> but now comes and my new question :D .. how can i install emerald ?
[19:42] <badapple> it gives me an error ( E: Could not find the package emerald ) ..
[19:42] <Unit193> I can tell you how to install, but not set it up. Afaik, emerald was a little broken in Oneiric
[19:42] <badapple> Unit193, i know how to set it =) ..
[19:43] <badapple> Unit193, so can you tell me how to install it '
[19:43] <badapple> ?
[19:43] <well_laid_lawn> emerald has been dropped afaik
[19:43] <well_laid_lawn> !info emerald
[19:43] <Unit193> Yep
[19:43] <badapple> damn =(
[19:44] <badapple> and how i change the compiz themes ? :S
[19:44] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[19:44] <badapple> well_laid_lawn, the themes .. i already have it installed
[19:45] <well_laid_lawn> did you even read the bot reply?
[19:45] <badapple> i dont speak very well english sorry :D ..
[19:45] <badapple> i will look it
[19:47] <badapple> well_laid_lawn, can you explain how can i chose themes i really dont understand nothing from the forum
[19:48] <well_laid_lawn> badapple: I don't use compiz sorry - try in the compiz channel if no one else here knows
[19:51] <badapple> well_laid_lawn, ok thanks =)
[20:08] <badapple> somebody knows when ubuntu 12.04 is coming ?
[20:08] <knome> april 2012
[20:08] <knome> Year.Month ...
[20:08] <badapple> thanks =)
[20:32] <badapple> does anybody know why  when i click the botton for muting audio and when i press it again the audio did not starts ? .. it sirve only for muting =(
[20:51] <pimperle> one of my two xubuntu installation shows the onscreen keyboard after i login. how can i permanently disable (not just hide) it?
[20:51] <pimperle> i couldn't find it in the session's autostart-tab
[20:51] <pimperle> /etc/xdg/autostart/onboard-autostart.desktop has OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Unity;
[20:51] <beardygnome> pimperle: you need to disable gnome services
[20:51] <pimperle> set, so it should not start
[20:51] <pimperle> ah, i see
[20:52] <pimperle> so gnome-services means anything with GNOME in it in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[20:52] <beardygnome> settings -> session and startup -> advanced
[20:52] <pimperle> wow, weechat has tab-completion support when chatting
[20:52] <beardygnome> untick "launch gnome services on startup"
[20:52] <pimperle> but won't disabling gnome services also disable other parts?
[20:52] <beardygnome> it's a known bug
[20:54] <pimperle> the /etc/xdg/autostart/ file mentions a GSetting called screen-keyboard-enabled. maybe i could disable that setting somewhere
[20:55] <beardygnome> pimperle: i've had no problems since disabling the gnome services
[20:55] <beardygnome> i can't see what they were doing when they were enabled
[20:56] <pimperle> i once used the gnome keyring daemon to automatically add ssh keys upon login
[20:56] <pimperle> but it broke 2 or three releases ago and i never tried it again
[20:57] <pimperle> ok, i disabled it and will see if it comes back next time i log in
[20:59] <pimperle> what is the current state of the gnome keyring usage in xfce? do i have to prevent ssh-agent from starting in order to use the gnome daemon?
[21:35] <pimperle> now i set a value in xfconf-query to disable the ssh agent, now i need to setup the session to eval the output of gnome-keyring-daemon
[21:35] <pimperle> where can i enable that?
[21:41] <well_laid_lawn> maybe in autostarted apps
[21:41] <pimperle> well, i enabled the gnome services again and the keyring daemon's variables are properly set
[21:41] <pimperle> now i'm back at removing the automatic startup of the keyboard
[21:41] <pimperle> i thing, a short rm -f in /etc/xdg/autostart is in order
[23:43] <boinkboink> Was wondering if the 11.10 installer has facilities to minimize wear and optimize performance when installing to SSD?