[00:03] <lubuntu20dash> Hello, what is the name of lubuntu new pdf cbz files reader?
[02:04] <Guest4448> yes, but I don't know how I us this
[02:06] <Guest4448> No too much. How to configure wifi connection with a SMC (SMCWBR14-N2)?
[02:08] <Guest4448> In 11.10 it's possible us the WPS sistem?
[02:11] <Guest4448> Where I can find the place to enter the pin of WPS sistem?
[02:14] <Guest4448> But I have to much dificould config the windows of NMF
[02:17] <Guest4448> What's up? I'm alone
[02:19] <Guest4448> Sorry, I'm a absolute begginer.
[02:23] <Guest4448> thank's for your help, See you.
[02:37] <iamfennec> hello any one on ?
[02:58] <iamfennec> need some help
[03:03] <KM0201> iamfennec: go ahead and ask
[03:10] <iamfennec> ok i'm useing lubuntu 10.04, i installed the unbuntu package managers ect because thats what i know. my update manager says i'm out of space and to use sudo apt-get clean
[03:12] <KM0201> ok..
[03:12] <KM0201> that doesn't really clean much, other than the cache.
[03:13] <KM0201> if you're really out of space, you really need to fix your partition set up tto be truthful.
[03:13] <KM0201> apt-get clean isn't gonna do "that much" on most PC's
[03:13] <iamfennec> well i i thought that lubuntu manages all that
[03:13] <KM0201> all versions of ubuntu keep a cache.
[03:13] <KM0201> you clean it w/ apt-get clean
[03:14] <iamfennec> i see but i have 30gigs set aside for lubuntu
[03:14] <iamfennec> and i've not filled it up as far as i know
[03:14] <iamfennec> so i'm kinda at a loss
[03:15] <KM0201> ok then either 1. you did somethign wrong, or 2.  you've got a ton of music/movies/etc on your partition
[03:15] <KM0201> hold on a ec
[03:15] <iamfennec> now the update manager seems to be stuck all greyed out and doing nothing
[03:15] <iamfennec> ok
[03:17] <iamfennec> i have nothing like that at all, is the any way i can see how full the partition is like in windows ?
[03:19] <KM0201> um
[03:19] <KM0201> easiest way, is probably gparted
[03:19] <KM0201> sudo apt-get install gparted
[03:20] <iamfennec> ok
[03:22] <iamfennec> i really don't know the ubuntu workflow for that stuff.
[03:22] <KM0201> yah
[03:22] <iamfennec> or lubuntu either
[03:22] <KM0201> once that installs, open it up by going to menu/system tools/gparted
[03:22] <iamfennec> is there a tutor somewhere i can learn this stuff
[03:22] <iamfennec> ?
[03:22] <iamfennec> k
[03:23] <Unit193> You might actually want to find out it isn't correct
[03:24] <KM0201> http://ubuntupocketguide.com/index_main.html
[03:24] <iamfennec> ok one sec i need to restart i think
[03:24] <Unit193> df -h and sudo fdisk -l (and pastebinit :P)
[03:24] <KM0201> iamfennec: that's one thing that is helpful
[03:24] <iamfennec> i'll come right back
[03:24] <KM0201> i can never figure fdisk out, it never prints out my disk right, dunno why
[03:25] <Unit193> Pastebinit
[03:25] <Unit193> :P
[03:27] <iamfennec> ok i'm back
[03:29] <iamfennec> ok
[03:30] <iamfennec> so gparted shows that i have my 2 partitons one for windows and the other lubuntu 24.97gb
[03:30] <iamfennec> and it does look full
[03:43]  * iamfennec looks 
[03:43] <iamfennec> km0201 you there ?
[03:43] <KM0201> yeah
[03:44] <KM0201> so lubuntu is 24.97gigs, and its full
[03:45] <iamfennec> yes
[03:46] <KM0201> i'm nt sure how to see what folders are taking up the most space
[03:46] <iamfennec> when i started into linux i was useing ubuntu 10.04  then a friend told me about lubuntu so i switched because i was on an older laptop
[03:47] <KM0201> yeah, something isn't right.
[03:47] <KM0201> not sure what, but.. something
[03:47] <iamfennec> i stayed with 10.04 thinking it was going to be the same as ubuntu but it looked and acted diferent
[03:48] <Unit193> Type   df -h into the terminal to see how much your /home is taking
[03:49] <KM0201> Unit193: for me, that doesn't show anything for just "/home"
[03:49] <KM0201> it just shows /dev/sda3
[03:49] <iamfennec> so i figured out how to install the ubuntu software center and with it also gave me the update manager and snaptic package manager
[03:49] <Unit193> du -h, wrong one :P
[03:49] <KM0201> wow, yeah, thas right.
[03:49] <KM0201> lol
[03:49] <Unit193> !purelxde | iamfennec
[03:50] <iamfennec> ok before i do anything can you exsplain what it is i've done?
[03:51] <iamfennec> i really don't understand what gnome or kde and all that even is
[03:52] <iamfennec> so did i screw everything up by installing what i knew to use ?
[03:52] <Unit193> Blast, that's only for Oneiric, Natty, and Maverick
[03:52] <KM0201> iamfennec: Lxde is the desktop interface that Lubuntu uses (Gnome, is what Ubntu used to youse, KDE is what Kubuntu uses)
[03:52] <Unit193> iamfennec: Did you install lubuntu-deskttop
[03:53] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
[03:54] <KM0201> i just found about 1gig in my trash can.. but i doubt thats his proble
[03:55] <iamfennec> well let me look there
[03:55] <iamfennec> where do i find that ?
[03:55] <KM0201> open up your home folder, there's a "trashcan" on the left
[03:57] <iamfennec> yeah thats empty
[03:58] <iamfennec> hi bioterror
[04:01] <iamfennec> yes i installed the desktop version but when i log off the user i can put to into the laptop version
[04:05] <KM0201> no, lubuntu-desktop is a package
[04:05] <KM0201> most of us have "lubuntu desktop" on our laptops
[04:07] <iamfennec> where do i check that ?
[04:12] <iamfennec> so i'm going to answer yes i installed the desktop package
[04:12] <KM0201> iamfennec: i dunno, but i'm betting somewhere you've got a folder picking up lots of data, do you download a lot of torrents, or stuff like that/
[04:13] <iamfennec> i think i've done 3 torents on this computer
[04:15] <iamfennec> should i try the pure ldxe website that was posted ?
[04:16] <iamfennec> crap
[04:17] <iamfennec> umm do i just need to reinstall everything ?
[04:17] <Unit193> No, it's not for that version of (L)Ubuntu
[04:17] <iamfennec> ok
[04:17] <iamfennec> question
[04:19] <iamfennec> when i run the update manager and it installes a critical update say a system upgrade
[04:20] <iamfennec> then when i boot the computer and it asks if i want to run windows or ubuntu verson ___  there are multipal versions
[04:21] <Unit193> Yep, those are different kernel versions in case the new update didn't work
[04:21] <iamfennec> so i learned how to clean that up by uninstalling the files with the old versions in the package manager
[04:22] <iamfennec> so if i keep up on those am i getting rid of everything that i need to of the old kernel packages?
[04:24] <Unit193> Well, there are images and headers
[04:24] <iamfennec> yeah its the headers i've been dealing with
[04:24] <Unit193> Have a read of this and see if you want to try it http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-unused-linux-kernel-headers.html
[04:27] <iamfennec> that looks promising
[04:30] <Unit193> Run this in terminal, it will tell you the 20 largest dirs you have   du -xk | sort -n | tail -20
[04:31] <iamfennec> ok here is what that link resulted in
[04:31] <iamfennec> [sudo] password for fennec:
[04:31] <iamfennec> Reading package lists... Done
[04:31] <iamfennec> Building dependency tree
[04:31] <iamfennec> Reading state information... Done
[04:31] <iamfennec> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[04:31] <iamfennec>   libdmraid1.0.0.rc16 libdiscover2 python-pyicu discover cryptsetup
[04:31] <iamfennec>   reiserfsprogs rdate localechooser-data libdebconfclient0 discover-data
[04:31] <iamfennec>   dmraid
[04:31] <iamfennec> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[04:31] <iamfennec> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 20 not upgraded.
[04:31] <iamfennec> so what does that tell us ?
[04:32] <Unit193> You removed nothing, but it thinks you can remove those packages
[04:33] <iamfennec> didn't say how much space but it doesn't look like it will free up much
[04:33] <iamfennec> here is my top 20
[04:33] <Unit193> Pastebin!!
[04:33] <Unit193> !pastebin
[04:34] <iamfennec> 8284	./.config
[04:34] <iamfennec> 14388	./.cache/chromium/Default/Cache
[04:34] <iamfennec> 14392	./.cache/chromium/Default
[04:34] <iamfennec> 16336	./.cache/chromium
[04:34] <iamfennec> 16428	./.cache
[04:34] <iamfennec> 30284	./.wine/drive_c/windows/system32/gecko/1.0.0/wine_gecko
[04:34] <iamfennec> 30288	./.wine/drive_c/windows/system32/gecko/1.0.0
[04:34] <iamfennec> 30292	./.wine/drive_c/windows/system32/gecko
[04:34] <iamfennec> 36984	./programs/Redegast 2.2
[04:34] <iamfennec> 36988	./programs
[04:34] <iamfennec> 40328	./.wine/drive_c/windows/system32
[04:36] <Unit193> iamfennec: Can you pastebin that?
[04:36] <iamfennec> sure, i can try
[04:36] <iamfennec> what happened ?
[04:36] <Unit193> Read what ubot5 said
[04:38] <iamfennec> so i go to the website is told me about ?
[04:38] <iamfennec> i'm sorry i feel really stupid with this stuff
[04:39] <iamfennec> there we go
[04:39] <iamfennec> http://paste.ubuntu.com/720360/
[04:39] <Unit193> That's fine, go to http://paste.ubuntu.com and put the into in there
[04:39] <Unit193> (It's less spammy and makes it easier to look at)
[04:40] <iamfennec> looks like the kids are trying to get my little pony episodes seems to me
[04:41] <Unit193> Yeah, that's rahter large!
[04:41] <Unit193> Try taking that out...
[04:41] <iamfennec> so thats it right ? let me delete it and we'll see where we're at
[04:44] <iamfennec> yeah that was it
[04:45] <iamfennec> i'm down to 3 gigs used now
[04:45] <iamfennec> holy cow all that work for something so simple
[04:45] <Unit193> All fixed
[04:47] <iamfennec> lets try that update
[04:48] <iamfennec> yeah thats working
[04:49] <Unit193> Yep, might want to talk about that to "the kids" :P
[04:49] <iamfennec> hey unit193 do you know what the diference is between 10.04 and 10.10
[04:50] <iamfennec> lol
[04:51] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/MaverickMeerkat
[04:51] <iamfennec> i heard that 11.04 was no good, thats why i've not upgraded
[04:51] <JohnDoe_71Rus> iamfennec: 6 month
[04:52] <Unit193> The current release is 11.10 :P  (That's 10.04 > 10.10 > 11.04 > 11.10)
[04:52] <iamfennec> tho now there up too 11.10 right
[04:52] <iamfennec> whats 6 months ?
[04:52] <JohnDoe_71Rus> diference :)
[04:53] <iamfennec> oh no new interface or whatnot ?
[04:53] <iamfennec> johndoe what do you use ?
[04:53] <JohnDoe_71Rus> 10.04
[04:54] <iamfennec> unit193 what do you use ?
[04:54] <Unit193> 11.10, but the upgrade didn't go the best (that's on one computer)
[04:58] <iamfennec> and what do you think of the 11 series lubuntu ?
[04:58] <iamfennec> thanks for that link btw
[05:00] <Unit193> I'm more using it via terminal/ssh, but it's fine. The upgrade from 11.04 just wasn't the best :/
[05:02] <iamfennec> did you do a fresh install at that point ?
[05:02] <Unit193> Nope, it's working
[05:03] <iamfennec> maybe i'm missing it but what i miss in a os is the help info thats built into it
[05:03] <iamfennec> i can't seem to find it anywhere
[05:03] <iamfennec> and searching for files is really difficult too
[05:04] <iamfennec> course i'm use to the windows interfacing not through a terminal
[05:09] <Unit193> Whaqt are you looking to find info on?  man cat   will tell you info on the cat command
[05:11] <iamfennec> well nothing off the top of my head its just when i get lost or need to look for the lubuntu equilvent of some windows funtion thats where i get lost
[05:11] <iamfennec> like umm
[05:11] <iamfennec> syschk and defrag
[05:12] <iamfennec> i'm not sure lubuntu needs that kind of looking after but thats one thing that i've wondered if i need to be doing to keep the computer running good
[05:14] <Unit193> There is the wiki pages and Lubuntu FAQ
[05:23] <Ned1> hi
[05:35] <wxl> howdee folks
[13:57] <jgratero> is there any way to list one's audio devices, inputs, mics with ls?
[14:04] <brother-> jgratero: not really. lspci lsusb and the /dev and /sys is of interest
[14:06] <jgratero> Thanks!
[14:06] <brother-> jgratero: there are some system diagnostics/information applications out there that does it. not sure about command line things though
[14:08] <jgratero> yeah, I was looking some command to print the inputs/outputs and sound devices as a list, thought the ls was the option to go
[14:08] <jgratero> I'm having a problem with my mic, the headphones work
[14:09] <jgratero> but the mic doesn't get any sound at all
[14:09] <jgratero> I've tested the headset in a Xubuntu Machine at home, and at two Vistas I have at the office
[14:09] <jgratero> it works
[14:10] <jgratero> so the problem is the configuration of this machine... I'm tinkering with alsamixer, no success until now
[14:12] <jgratero> I'm upgrading the distribution we use in our office, so, I'll wait until then to see if there is any change on the subject
[14:42] <lollz> hi guys! do you happen to know how to change the login screen avatar/pic on the latest lubuntu?
[15:12] <fitus> hello everyone
[15:14] <fitus> I am having trouble with the new lubuntu version, every time a restart my box my sound is gone and so is my vol icon from the panel, any why in how to fix it ?
[15:53] <wxl> mourning kids
[16:59] <Ascavasaion> Hello, I have an old system, AMD Duron 1300MHz, 380 odd megs of ram.  What webserver can I set up for use here at home?  Apache will not slow it down?  Should I use another lighter weight webserver?
[17:02] <wxl> Ascavasaion: the two that come to mind are nginx and lighttpd
[17:03] <Ascavasaion> Thank you wxl
[17:03] <wxl> i personally haven't used them much but certainly not with lubuntu but they have a reputation for low resource usage
[17:03] <wxl> both are in the ubuntu repos
[17:07] <wxl> Ascavasaion: you my wee little 1.5ghz 1280mb ram powerbook seem like a supercomputer.. and i complain about youtube and such ;)
[17:07] <Ascavasaion> I have other computers, but I set this old one up to lave running for downloads etc.
[17:08] <Ascavasaion> lave=leave
[17:10]  * wxl still can't wait to build up a super mini-itx server/nas
[17:11] <wxl> Ascavasaion: thttpd is one other possibility but i've no experience with that at ALL
[17:11] <wxl> can't necessarily "recommend" it
[17:13] <Ascavasaion> Thank you.  Think I will stick with Apache.  I have about 5% experience with it hehe  The others I have 0% :)
[17:13] <wxl> in terms of size alone lighttpd > nginx-full > nginx-light > thttpd
[17:13] <wxl> there's a lot of support for apache
[17:14] <wxl> however i'd say that's also true of nginx
[17:14]  * wxl is getting excited about thttpd
[17:15] <wxl> about equal in speed as other common webservers, faster under extreme load
[17:15] <wxl> ipv6 ready
[17:15] <wxl> security
[17:16] <wxl> wow max users 1000+
[17:16] <wxl> (not like i neeed that)
[17:18] <wxl> http://acme.com/software/thttpd/benchmarks.html
[17:26] <Ascavasaion> If I want to access a webserver on a PC on a network that is behind a router... how do I force the router to route the info to the specific PC that has the webserver running on it.
[17:26] <Ascavasaion> Do I use that Port forwarding?
[17:27] <wxl> you need to tweak port forwarding on your router
[17:27] <Ascavasaion> Thank you, thought so :)
[17:27] <wxl> np
[18:02] <Ascavasaion> This port forwarding has me buggered hehehe
[18:04] <wxl> check out portforward.com if you haven't already
[18:04] <wxl> it makes it pretty plain and simple
[18:14] <Ascavasaion> I gopt it working.  My settings were correct.  I just had to access it from an external connection and not internally.  I used my cellphone and it worked like a charm :)
[18:15] <wxl> sweet
[18:15] <wxl> yeah should have told you that
[18:15] <wxl> usually one figures it out on their own :D
[18:15] <wxl> my cellphone is my best friend when it comes to networking troubleshooting
[18:15] <wxl> especially considering i can use the shell
[18:16] <wxl> i can vnc, vpn, ssh, you name it
[18:19] <Ascavasaion> I have a Blackberry.  any free app you can sugest for telnetting, SSHing into the PC remotely from the cell?
[18:19] <wxl> they're out there but i don't think they're free
[18:19] <wxl> i briefly had a blackberry
[18:19] <wxl> hated it
[18:19] <Ascavasaion> I hate it as well hehe
[18:20] <Ascavasaion> I miss my old Nokia E63.
[18:20] <wxl> heh
[18:20] <wxl> i have a palm pre
[18:20] <wxl> supposedly i can run i think debian lxde off of it
[18:20] <wxl> so i'm gonna do that once i get a new phone
[18:20] <wxl> i'm going andrioid
[18:20] <wxl> s/ri/r/
[18:20] <Ascavasaion> Aaaah, nice.
[18:22] <wxl> unless my wife makes me get an iphone which i really don't want
[18:22] <wxl> it's just the same as i think an ipad is great for her, but i don't want one at all
[18:33] <Ascavasaion> My friend gave me a Chinese knock-off of an iPhone hehehe  What a piece of junk.
[18:33] <wxl> hahahah
[18:34] <Ascavasaion> Looks nice, runs simple things nicely, but that is where it ends.
[18:35] <wxl> right and that's the joy of the imachine: does easy things well
[18:35] <wxl> which for like 90% of the general public is perfect
[18:35] <Ascavasaion> hehehe
[18:35] <wxl> these commercials where you speak into the phone are kind of stupid. "i'm locked out of my house, please help me." give me a break. look it up, dumb ass. ;)
[18:36] <Ascavasaion> Just being able to get onto IRC has been a saving grace for me at times when troubleshooting people's Internet troubles.
[21:03] <Kutakizukari> Upgraded to Lubuntu 11.10 from 11.04, now the chromium browser will freezes and uses all CPU. How can I fix?
[21:09] <xsaidx> Kutakizukari: you can report a bug tho and wait if any dev will fix it
[21:11] <Kutakizukari> xsaidx, Okay
[21:11] <xsaidx> ;]
[21:11] <wxl> explain how you upgraded too Kutakizukari
[21:12] <Kutakizukari> wxl, will do
[21:12] <wxl> how DID you upgrade?
[21:13] <wxl> from within 11.04 with update manager?
[21:13] <wxl> oh and make sure to include your version of chromium
[21:15] <Kutakizukari> update manager
[21:15] <Kutakizukari> running apport now
[21:16] <wxl> 14.0.835.202~r103287-0ubuntu1?
[21:16] <Kutakizukari> wxl, how do I tell which chromium version because I don't remember?
[21:17] <wxl> Kutakizukari: sudo apt-cache policy chromium-browser
[21:17] <wxl> better yet
[21:17] <wxl> Kutakizukari: sudo apt-cache policy chromium-browser | grep -i installed
[21:18] <Kutakizukari> 14.0.835.202~r103287-0ubuntu1
[21:18] <wxl> so that's good
[21:18] <wxl> mine runs pretty peachy keen except when loading
[21:19] <wxl> admittedly i have my processor throttled (virtual machine) and i have very low memory
[21:19] <Kutakizukari> It freezes as soon as it starts and when I ctrl-alt-delete there are two processes of chromium browser
[21:19] <wxl> however i can leave it loading and it doesn't use cpu
[21:20] <wxl> s/loading/running
[21:20] <Kutakizukari> when I kill the one that using all the CPU it takes out both of them
[21:21] <wxl> every process, tab, plugin, etc. in chrome is a separate process
[21:21] <wxl> hah i have four instances right now
[21:21] <wxl> and i'm just on a blank new tab
[21:22] <Kutakizukari> Apport is saying http://pastebin.com/7iPysuUQ
[21:22] <Kutakizukari> I have quit a few plugins
[21:23] <wxl> quite you mean?
[21:23] <wxl> it seems screen capture is your problem
[21:23] <Kutakizukari> yes quite a few
[21:23] <Kutakizukari> delete it?
[21:24] <Kutakizukari> the screen_capture.so?
[21:25] <wxl> hold
[21:25] <wxl> $ chromium-browser --incognito
[21:25] <wxl> that should go into "safe mode"
[21:26] <wxl> from there you can disable screen capture
[21:26] <wxl> welcome to the wonderful world of plugins by the way
[21:32] <Kutakizukari> wxl, running chromium-browser --incognito freezes still and returns this http://pastebin.com/5467nuaL in the terminal.
[21:32] <Kutakizukari> though task manager shows chromium browser using 0%
[21:34] <wxl> that's weird about the permissions
[21:34] <wxl> if you running it as sudo does that help?
[21:34] <Kutakizukari> let me try
[21:36] <Kutakizukari> Chromium can not be run as root.
[21:36] <wxl> ok so that's out
[21:41] <wxl> Kutakizukari: sudo apt-cache policy libcanberra0
[21:43] <wxl> ah, it's probably not that actually
[21:43] <wxl> sounds like there's a bug that's fixed in v15 chromium
[21:43] <wxl> if you add proposed to your repos you can get it
[21:43] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+bug/881607
[21:44] <wxl> there's also a hack:
[21:44] <wxl> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=91962#c31
[21:51] <wxl> actually i failed to do my daily check on what's new and lo and behold, there's v15 chromium
[21:51] <wxl> (out of proposed)
[21:52] <wxl> Kutakizukari: you can add proposed in software sources on the updates tab
[21:59] <Kutakizukari> check the pre-released or unsupported?
[22:01] <wxl> it's testing for -updates
[22:01] <wxl> oh wait you're asking me a practical not a philosophical question
[22:02] <wxl> pre-released is what you want
[22:02] <wxl> (see proposed in parentheses?)
[22:09] <draioch> when installing deb package cant get past admin rights password, as dont remember making one using lubuntu 11.04 could anyone help pls
[22:09] <wxl> it's you draioch
[22:10] <draioch> hi wxl
[22:10] <wxl> no i mean your user is the admin
[22:10] <draioch> yea i tried me username pass
[22:11] <draioch> screen just flashes thats it
[22:11] <wxl> do you have the same problem trying to load synaptic?
[22:12] <draioch> think i did yea that why not installed
[22:13] <wxl> gdebi would be doing the same thing synaptic does when asking for authentication
[22:13] <wxl> if you can load synaptic, then you should have no problem using the same credentials with gdebi
[22:13] <wxl> or any other thing that uses sudo or gksudo
[22:14] <wxl> unless something else is to blame
[22:14] <draioch> ok maybe i should just do a fresh install of latest lubuntu
[22:15] <draioch> took me a long time tho the last time done a minimal install as using old p4 pc
[22:15] <wxl> so yes or no: can you (right now) load synaptic?
[22:15] <draioch> wait sorry
[22:16] <draioch> installing now
[22:17] <wxl> installing? so you didn't have it?
[22:17] <wxl> how are you installing it, apt-get?
[22:17] <draioch> yea
[22:17] <draioch> its asking for admin pass
[22:17] <wxl> sudo apt-get, right?
[22:17] <draioch> yea
[22:17] <wxl> and did you succeed in giving sudo your password?
[22:18] <draioch> no cant get past it
[22:18] <draioch> it wont take any of the 2 usernames i would have used
[22:18] <wxl> sudo doesn't need a username
[22:18] <wxl> it's like this:
[22:18] <wxl> $ sudo command
[22:18] <wxl> password:
[22:18] <wxl> not:
[22:18] <wxl> $ sudo command
[22:18] <wxl> user:
[22:18] <wxl> password:
[22:20] <draioch> yea i got past sudo and "[sudo] password for rabc: " and everything was ok then the admin passoword thing comes up
[22:23] <wxl> that's bizarre
[22:24] <wxl> try doing sudo ls
[22:24] <wxl> you can do any command as sudo
[22:24] <KM0201> if he's accidentally removed himself from sudo groups, he might need to boot recovery to fix this.
[22:25] <draioch> sudo ls works
[22:26] <draioch> maybe a reinstall would be easier was gonna do latest lubuntu minimal install anyways, any good links wiki on that
[22:27] <draioch> it took me a couple of days the last time, did it get any easier the minimal install since the last lubuntu 11.04
[22:30] <wxl> try this one:
[22:30] <wxl> cat /etc/sudoers | grep ALL
[22:31] <wxl> aw hell nevermind
[22:31] <wxl> you have to be root :/
[22:32] <wxl> i betcha that's it tho
[22:33] <draioch> no worries but i really appreciate u trying wxl think ill just reinstall sometime
[22:36] <wxl> KM0201's solution is a goood one draioch
[22:36] <wxl> and one you can probably do with your existing install
[22:36] <wxl> although i can symphathize with the ned to want to fix an install
[22:37] <draioch> yea ill look into that wxl and thx again
[22:38] <wxl> np
[22:46] <goliat> Hello. I have a question about getting JDK 7. I have found openjdk-7-jdk in the package manager but is it any diffrent from downloading the real jdk 7 from oracle.com?
[22:49] <brother-> goliat: yes.
[22:50] <wxl> hahahahah
[22:50] <wxl> somehow i suspect that's not the whole question
[22:51] <goliat> wxl: Well a followup would be what would be the best to get. openjkd7 or jdk7?
[22:52] <wxl> what are you using it for goliat ?
[22:52] <wxl> (don't say java)
[22:52] <goliat> i would use it for programming, with eclipse probably
[22:52] <wxl> ahhh
[22:53] <wxl> from what i understand you need to go through some machinations to get eclipse to work with openjdk
[22:53] <wxl> that may be outdated information
[22:54] <wxl> if it were me (i prefer open/free) i'd go for openjdk and if it doesn't work, use the real one
[22:54] <wxl> in fact you can install both even and use the java command to change versions
[22:55] <wxl> so conceptually you could have openjdk be the default and have a script for eclipse that changes version, loads eclipse, and changes version back upon exit
[22:55] <wxl> but that may be more b.s. than you want to do ;)
[22:56] <goliat> actually i think that i can install jdk7 and select it in eclipse. I wouldn't need to bother changing either.
[22:56] <wxl> aw there you go didn't know that was an option
[22:56] <wxl> with that in mind, i would definitely install both
[22:56] <goliat> Yeah :)
[22:57] <goliat> Can always uninstall them :P
[22:57] <wxl> make jk7 your default, but when you're programming ensure compatibility with openjdk7
[22:57] <wxl> yeps
[22:57] <wxl> (your users will thank you)
[22:58] <goliat> thanks for the help wxl :)
[22:58] <wxl> no prob man