[09:32] <grendal-prime> hello
[09:33] <Myrtti> hi
[09:33] <grendal-prime> anybody home?
[09:33] <grendal-prime> hi
[09:34] <grendal-prime> so...so far tonight..it has not been fun
[09:34] <grendal-prime> Myrtti, you know why im here
[09:34] <grendal-prime> the earthquake thing?
[09:36] <Myrtti> brb
[09:36] <grendal-prime> k
[09:36] <grendal-prime> take your time
[09:36] <Myrtti> right
[09:37] <grendal-prime> sooo have i already talked to you tonight under some other nic..or...are you really not knowing why im here?
[09:37] <Myrtti> no, actually I don't know why you are here, unless you're after a Ubuntu member cloak, or you've got some issues you'd like to be catalyzed with the Local Community IRC channel ops. Since your issue seems to be about #ubuntu guidelines, then it's not an issue of this channel, rather of #ubuntu-ops
[09:38] <grendal-prime> now ...just curiouse..how did you know that?
[09:39] <grendal-prime> because it would save time if you where someone i was talking to earlyer
[09:39] <Myrtti> no, I'm not someone you talked with earlier, because I just woke up.
[09:39] <grendal-prime> because im really not wanting to be a pain but
[09:39] <grendal-prime> ok
[09:39] <Myrtti> if you want to discuss the #ubuntu earthquake issue further, please take it to #ubuntu-ops - this is not the channel for it
[09:39] <grendal-prime> and...ok..ill just believe that..even though everything i have had happen tonight is really bizaar
[09:40] <grendal-prime> again..i just ...they really dont want to talk to me anymore
[09:40] <grendal-prime> nor can i even try and help anyone there.
[09:40] <grendal-prime> it just is..well bad
[09:40] <grendal-prime> but
[09:40] <grendal-prime> here is the thing...
[09:41] <grendal-prime> seriuosly...i asked one thing...if anyone in california had experienced a earthquake
[09:41] <grendal-prime> i gottold to take it somewhere else
[09:41] <Myrtti> ok, this is me being really polite
[09:42] <grendal-prime> ok
[09:42] <Myrtti> could you please take it to #ubuntu-ops, because here you are only venting and your issue isn't going to be solved
[09:42] <grendal-prime> they wont talk to me..i am seriosly going to talk to the fcc and they said it was your issue then
[09:43] <grendal-prime> sucis
[09:43] <grendal-prime> sucks
[09:43] <grendal-prime> anyway..you need to know a few things..
[09:43] <Myrtti> how do you know they won't talk to you?
[09:43] <bkerensa> grendal-prime: #Ubuntu-Ops would be the appropriate channel and they could discuss this with you
[09:43] <grendal-prime> i tried that
[09:43] <grendal-prime> hold on let me get logs
[09:44] <Myrtti> don't bother
[09:44] <bkerensa> Hmm? I'm in #Ubuntu-Ops and have not seen you join
[09:44] <Myrtti> I've got them
[09:45] <grendal-prime> ok well basically i was told to come here
[09:45] <Myrtti> er, that's not what my logs say
[09:45] <grendal-prime> look im really sorry..hu?
[09:45] <grendal-prime> hold on
[09:46] <Myrtti> I can see you being told to go to #freenode
[09:46] <Myrtti> which you did
[09:46] <grendal-prime> <bkerensa> If you would like to debate this I'm not the one however you can address your concern in #Ubuntu-IRC or #Ubuntu-Ops and additionally can raise this with #Freenode which runs the network
[09:46] <grendal-prime> ive been everywere
[09:46] <bkerensa> Myrtti: Actually I did accidentally say -IRC (Its nearly 3am so I'm tired)
[09:47] <bkerensa> my error
[09:47] <grendal-prime> sorry
[09:47] <grendal-prime> didnt mean to keep you up
[09:47] <grendal-prime> honesty dude
[09:47] <bkerensa> grendal-prime: #Ubuntu-Ops has the ircops team and they are better equipped to discuss IRC Policies and such matters
[09:47] <Myrtti> er, no.
[09:47] <bkerensa> grendal-prime: I'm up by my own choice no need to apologize
[09:48] <grendal-prime> ok
[09:48] <grendal-prime> me 2
[09:48] <grendal-prime> well on call
[09:48] <grendal-prime> but i digress
[09:48] <Myrtti> #ubuntu-ops is the channel for the issues in core channels, such as #ubuntu, to be solved
[09:48] <grendal-prime> hey guys
[09:48] <grendal-prime> i can nip this in the bud
[09:48] <Myrtti> and while it has it's share of IRCops, the people who run freenode, in it, it's not their channel
[09:49] <grendal-prime> i dont want to be a pain in the ass.
[09:49] <grendal-prime> seriously..
[09:49] <grendal-prime> can we just deal with this here....
[09:49] <Myrtti> the other ops of #ubuntu are watching mainly #ubuntu-ops
[09:50] <Myrtti> if you want the issue to be properly dealt with, then join there
[09:50] <grendal-prime> they dont aparently like me'
[09:50] <grendal-prime> i have a solution
[09:50] <Myrtti> AND even if the issue would be dealt here, it would be dealt with by the SAME PEOPLE
[09:51] <Myrtti> but as of now you've been dealing with only one person
[09:51] <Myrtti> so again, I ask you kindly, please join #ubuntu-ops to discuss it.
[09:51] <grendal-prime> i had a feeling that was the case..buuut...sometimes just being in the right place...does the trick?
[09:51] <Myrtti> no.
[09:51] <elky> Myrtti, he's already been there, by the way, after being muted in #ubuntu
[09:52] <Myrtti> elky: yes, I know.
[09:52] <grendal-prime> who are you?
[09:52] <grendal-prime> i mean aka wise?
[09:53] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: who are you asking
[09:53] <elky> Earthquakes are not really the topic to deal with, and if they were, we'd probably care about the ones that actually killed people, such as the one in turkey
[09:53] <grendal-prime> elky
[09:53] <grendal-prime> i asked
[09:53] <grendal-prime> that was it
[09:53] <elky> Why does it matter?
[09:54] <grendal-prime> ive been in situations where it mattered
[09:54] <grendal-prime> live or death
[09:54] <grendal-prime> look
[09:54] <elky> If you were, you'd not be on IRC.
[09:54] <grendal-prime> i was
[09:54] <popey> This is a pointless waste of everyones time.
[09:54] <popey> In my humble opinion.
[09:54] <grendal-prime> no its not
[09:54] <grendal-prime> thats right
[09:54] <grendal-prime> for you
[09:55] <grendal-prime> simple solution
[09:55] <popey> There is no problem to solve.
[09:55] <grendal-prime> registerd channel...disaster
[09:55] <elky> A 5.2 quake is extremely rarely a life of death situation.
[09:55] <grendal-prime> all ops informed.. if it comes up...#disaster
[09:55] <elky> or whatever the californian one was.
[09:55] <bkerensa> =o
[09:56] <elky> ok we'll keep that in mind. Can we return to the regularly scheduled programming for *our* channels now?
[09:56] <grendal-prime> you guys..you are thinking backawards on this
[09:56] <elky> No. I live in an earthquake area. You're being silly.
[09:56] <grendal-prime> no i am not
[09:56] <Myrtti> if IRC had any FCC mandated job to inform IRC users about disasters around the world, it would probably be done as wallops messages in distinct servers
[09:57] <grendal-prime> its not a mandadte..dude...its a simple channel
[09:57] <grendal-prime> and some basic training
[09:57] <Myrtti> btw, there is a governmental body in Finland that requires emergency messages that involve Finns to be broadcast in Finnish radio and tv
[09:58] <grendal-prime> what is the problem with this
[09:58] <k1l> sry but i dont see a single point to ubuntu in this earthquake story
[09:58] <Myrtti> would you like your emergency channel to have emergency information that there is a bear roaming in Tampere and the people are adviced to stay indoors?
[09:58] <jpds> Dude, what does Ubuntu have to do about this?
[09:58] <grendal-prime> just a general place to share info that is focused on disaster
[09:58] <popey> We're out of coffee! Quick! Join #disaster!
[09:58] <grendal-prime> thing about what i costs and what it could do.
[09:58] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: great, start that channel.
[09:59] <grendal-prime> you want ME to bot it?
[09:59] <jpds> grendal-prime: You're the one suggesting it.
[09:59] <Myrtti> please don't advertise it in our channels though, Ubuntu channels shrug on advertising
[09:59] <k1l> there are thousands of channel in this irc network and you choose a supportchannel to talk about a earthquake. when you were pointed to a more related offtopic channel you get rude. sry but the mistake is not on the others
[09:59] <grendal-prime> dude
[10:00] <grendal-prime> i was in the cahnnel just joined..
[10:00] <elky> grendal-prime, if you really want to deal with disaster stuff, google for ushahidi
[10:00] <grendal-prime> and wham thought i was in an earthquake
[10:00] <bkerensa> =o
[10:00] <grendal-prime> i asked if anyone else flet it. and got told to take it else where
[10:00] <elky> it's an open source crowdsourcing coordination system. it's a *far* more appropriate place for you to panic in
[10:00] <grendal-prime> not...#earthquake
[10:01] <k1l> grendal-prime: did you get banned or muted or whatever for the one line about the earthquake?
[10:01] <grendal-prime> it escalted
[10:01] <k1l> or about the rudeness and the story after the line
[10:01] <grendal-prime> im sure its all logged
[10:01] <elky> grendal-prime, I'm trying to help you here. There's 500 dead turks and I don't see their compatriots here demanding attention from us. Go look up ushahidi
[10:01] <k1l> grendal-prime: so stop talking about earthquake and start thinking on your behaviour.
[10:02] <bkerensa> grendal-prime: You can always develop a crowdsource app of your own and make a PPA... Make a indicator even that people can install and it will blink when a earthquake occurs
[10:02] <grendal-prime> i was trying to get info..the person that told me to leave i had no idea who they were others where talking to me i told them to shut up
[10:02] <grendal-prime> grrr
[10:03] <elky> I'm telling you to stop now. I've given you alternatives. I've categorically expressed that you are in the wrong place to be talking about this.
[10:03] <grendal-prime> you guys are really not interested in any way of supprting an emergency broadcast channel?
[10:03] <grendal-prime> because here is what im thinking
[10:03] <Myrtti> I live in Finland
[10:03] <grendal-prime> ok
[10:03] <Myrtti> our earthquakes are on the magnitude of 2.0 Richter
[10:03] <grendal-prime> does that matter in some what
[10:03] <Myrtti> if even that
[10:03] <elky> grendal-prime, you're not even interested in listening to our advice. THERE IS SUCH  A THING ALREADY
[10:03] <grendal-prime> way?
[10:03] <Myrtti> I'm not interested in earthquakes, they do not happen.
[10:04] <grendal-prime> one happendd in turky
[10:04] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: it doesn't threaten my life
[10:04] <elky> Yes. And I'm sure the ushahidi people are working on it
[10:04] <grendal-prime> and so...everthing that happens here is ...you?
[10:06] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: I'm trying to explain to you that I have no interest in the earthquake in Turkey or Sacramento enough to warrant inventing a new wheel you are suggesting
[10:06] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: ushahidi is enough if I ever encounter a disaster bad enough
[10:07] <Myrtti> grendal-prime: however, no matter what natural disaster I end up in, it has nothing to do with Ubuntu
[10:07] <topyli> i wouldn't be so sure! :)
[10:08] <elky> grendal-prime, listen closely. The ubuntu channels are the wrong place to discuss this. There is already a big international community that makes ushahidi. It's worked for haiti, christchurch, japan and others. Please, go help them.
[10:08] <elky> I'm going to count to 10 and I'm going to unmute you. You're not going to continue at all, and rather you're going to leave politely and go seek out ushahidi.
[10:11] <grendal-prime> hellow?
[10:15] <jpds> 25
[10:39] <grendal-prime> sorry went to sleep
[10:39] <grendal-prime> is freenode in the us?
[10:39] <ikonia> ask in #freenode
[11:37] <Mkaysi> 14 servers in Europe, 9 in the US according to http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
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