[00:51] <ubuntu-is-stupid> Why am i banned in #ubuntu channel
[00:51] <pangolin> give me a minute to figure it out please
[00:53] <pangolin> Windows-fan: just waiting for our ban tracker to load up. might be a couple minutes
[00:53] <Windows-fan> okay.
[00:56] <pangolin> Ok, so it looks like you were being disruptive to the channel and talking about how you had released  linux viruses
[00:56] <pangolin> you can see how that is not acceptable behaviour in a support channel
[00:57] <pangolin> does that ring a bell?
[00:57] <Windows-fan> Hey wait... I don't remember that...
[00:58] <pangolin> you were using the nick Microsoft__
[00:58] <Windows-fan> I still don't remember that.
[00:58] <pangolin> ok
[00:58] <pangolin> !guidelines
[00:59] <pangolin> Can you please have a read of the channel guidelines and if you agree to follow them I will be willing to remove the ban
[01:00] <Windows-fan> I will follow the rules of the chat. :-)
[01:01] <pangolin> Great. Also know that if we have further issues it will be a lot more difficult to get the ban removed. Just give me a minute to remove the ban.
[01:01] <pangolin> Please join #ubuntu and part this channel. have a good night.
[01:02] <Windows-fan> ok.
[04:30] <Madpilot> hmm, someone remind me of the syntax for telling the bot that !newtell is an alias of !existingtell pls?
[04:39] <Flannel> Madpilot: !newtell is <alias>oldtell
[04:40] <Madpilot> thanks
[04:40] <Madpilot> !disunited
[04:40] <Madpilot> silly bot. literal mode must be enabled in this channel
[04:41] <Madpilot> ah, crap. nevermind. am screwing up
[07:08] <grendal-prime> hey
[07:09] <grendal-prime> i have question about general communication in the event of a possible catastrophe
[07:10] <ikonia> what ?
[07:11] <grendal-prime> say for instance that there was an earthquake in my area and i was loged into an irc channel and asked..."did anyone else in this region feel an earthquake right now?"
[07:11] <Jordan_U> ikonia: For background see the recent scrollback in #ubuntu and this PM session http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/720431/ .
[07:12] <ikonia> ok - so just totally time wasting nonsense then
[07:13] <ikonia> grendal-prime: unless you have something that is ubuntu related to discuss with us, please leave the channel.
[07:13] <grendal-prime> right
[07:14] <Madpilot> if your building is falling over in an earthquake, pausing to alert IRC might be counterproductive.
[07:14] <Madpilot> If it's not falling over, #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:15] <ikonia> grendal-prime: anything ubuntu releated you need from us, yes or no please
[07:15] <grendal-prime> amazing
[07:15] <grendal-prime> nope
[07:15] <grendal-prime> im done
[07:15] <ikonia> grendal-prime: yes or no please
[07:16] <ikonia> grendal-prime: ok, then please leave the channel
[07:16] <grendal-prime> ill just talk to someone else..thanks
[07:26] <popey> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq26f7fmeY1qar51jo1_500.jpg feels appropriate
[07:28] <ikonia> popey: I quite like your method of communicating through appropriate images
[07:35] <popey> ikonia: http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj789tuyRG1qdsx3do1_500.jpg
[07:35] <ikonia> bravo
[07:39] <Madpilot> popey, that first one is awesome
[07:40] <Madpilot> anyway, must sleep. later all.
[07:41] <elky> http://i.minus.com/ibjQq0ZoGh6OU1.png
[07:45] <grendal-prime> http://www.kcra.com/news/29599742/detail.html
[07:46] <grendal-prime> one question i asked
[07:46] <ikonia> grendal-prime: why ar eyou posting this ?
[07:46] <grendal-prime> i just got baned
[07:46] <ikonia> grendal-prime: yes,
[07:46] <ikonia> what has this post got to do with that ?
[07:46] <grendal-prime> why was i banned?
[07:46] <ikonia> grendal-prime: why where you complaining people where offtopic ?
[07:47] <grendal-prime> in fact you banned me
[07:47] <ikonia> grendal-prime: why where you complaining people where offtopic ?
[07:47] <grendal-prime> you have to admit it was off topic
[07:47] <ikonia> grendal-prime: why where you complaining people where offtopic ?
[07:48] <grendal-prime> for the same reason i was focused on for being off topic
[07:48] <ikonia> grendal-prime: who did you think was being offtopic ?
 I got like 1000 windows users who cant pick their noses without help
[07:49] <ikonia> ok - so that guy makes one comment in the middle of a support discussion (if you scroll up he was actually getting a conversation) and you start complaining that the ops aren't dealing with it
[07:49] <grendal-prime> if i cant tell someone..dude that is off topic without getting banned?
[07:49] <ikonia> but you started complaining
[07:49] <grendal-prime> i got banned for that?
[07:50] <ikonia> you totally can
[07:50] <ikonia> "where are the ops".....
[07:50] <ikonia> it wasn't exactly a massive issue, you could just ask him to stop
[07:50] <grendal-prime> i dide
[07:50] <grendal-prime> did
[07:50] <ikonia> 8:44 < grendal-prime> where are the ops for that stuff?
[07:50] <ikonia> really ?
[07:50] <grendal-prime> i asked?
[07:50] <grendal-prime> and i get banned for asking?
[07:51] <ikonia> come on
[07:51] <grendal-prime> you come on..
[07:51] <ikonia> you got told off for being offtopic with your earthquake stuff
[07:51] <ikonia> so now you're trying to find someone to be offtopic so you can complain the ops aren't dealing with it
[07:51] <grendal-prime> i asked if anyone felt an earthquake...and i got pointed to off topic..a possible catastrophy...
[07:51] <ikonia> you didn't ask
[07:51] <ikonia> you had a 20 line discussion about it
[07:52] <grendal-prime> and you are going to just flat out ban me for askin?
[07:52] <ikonia> and lets be real, you where talking utter nosense about getting the FCC invovled etc etc
[07:52] <grendal-prime> im not
[07:52] <ikonia> no, not at all, I was in the middle of sending you a private message before you joined here
[07:52] <grendal-prime> talking utter nonsence
[07:52] <grendal-prime> what?
[07:52] <grendal-prime> it never got sent
[07:52] <ikonia> no, because I started talking to you in here
[07:53] <grendal-prime> you told me to leave
[07:53] <grendal-prime> i did
[07:53] <ikonia> apologies, I'm confusing things for you mixing two conversations
[07:53] <ikonia> I'll try to clarify
[07:53] <grendal-prime> i mixed NO conversations
[07:53] <grendal-prime> please do
[07:53] <ikonia> no, I'm mixing conversations confusing the issue, I'll try to be clear. It's my fault.
[07:54] <grendal-prime> good start
[07:54] <ikonia> grendal-prime: you where asked to stop talking about earthquakes in #ubuntu, the channel's topic is ubuntu support discussion. That seems to be resolved and everyone is happy
[07:54] <grendal-prime> and i stoped
[07:54] <ikonia> a person made a needless comment about picking his nose, which I agree was needless,
[07:55] <ikonia> you appeared to be trying to make an issue out of it, questioning where the ops where
[07:55] <grendal-prime> i did go into private channel with the opp
[07:55] <ikonia> I muted you in the channel, to send you a pm to ask you to calm down, it's not a big deal and explain how you can help self regulate the channel
[07:55] <grendal-prime> i asked him for clarity he did not give it i asked for his superior.
[07:55] <ikonia> before I could finish that PM, you joined here
[07:55] <grendal-prime> ok
[07:55] <ikonia> does that clarify ok ?
[07:56] <grendal-prime> for the most part.
[07:56] <grendal-prime> now.
[07:56] <ikonia> ok, the intention isn't to ban you or keep you banned
[07:56] <grendal-prime> can i plead my case to you guys because this seems to me the only place to do this
[07:56] <ikonia> I've only stopped you talking so I could talk to you without you getting heated in #ubuntu, I'd planned to do that in pm, but you're here now
[07:57] <ikonia> there is no case to plead
[07:57] <grendal-prime> we can do this private you and i i dont have a problem with that
[07:57] <ikonia> I just need you to use #ubuntu for support discussion only, and if someone is being a problem, eg: making offtopic comments, you can either ask them to stop, or if it persists call the operators who are watching in the channel
[07:57] <grendal-prime> well last i knew i was banned
[07:57] <ikonia> no need to take anything to private
[07:57] <grendal-prime> thats not exactly "good" for me
[07:57] <elky> a comment about picking his nose, or a comment that he has 1000 users who he has to help who are so technically clueless that he describes this by saying they can't pick their noses?
[07:58] <ikonia> that works too
[07:58] <grendal-prime> agreend..also..if the world is falling apart and i say..hey is anyone else knotice this?
[07:58] <ikonia> that's nothing to do wtih #ubuntu
[07:58] <grendal-prime> yes it does
[07:58] <ikonia> so don't post it
[07:59] <ikonia> it's that simple
[07:59] <ikonia> no, it doesn't
[07:59] <grendal-prime> and guys..seriously..
[07:59] <grendal-prime> come on...i wasnt hurting anyone by asking that
[07:59] <elky> if the actual world was actually falling apart, i couldn't give a damn about an IRC channel
[07:59] <ikonia> grendal-prime: you where asked to stop, instead of stopping, you argued it
[07:59] <ikonia> it's not ontopic for the channel, so don't ask
[08:00] <ikonia> I believe we've covered that and you are comfortable with it
[08:00] <ikonia> agreed ?
[08:00] <grendal-prime> excatly but..it might be nice to find out where you might be able to get a ride out of town
[08:00] <ikonia> grendal-prime: ok, here is is black and white, I just want yes/no responses
[08:00] <grendal-prime> dude
[08:00] <ikonia> grendal-prime: do you understand that the topic of the channel is Ubuntu support discussion ONLY
[08:00] <elky> grendal-prime, please stop with the strawman arguements. they're not going to get your mute lifted.
[08:00] <ikonia> yes/no
[08:00] <grendal-prime> if you want black and white the nose thing was no reasont ban me
[08:00] <ikonia> yes/no
[08:01] <grendal-prime> ok
[08:01] <ikonia> Can you agree to keep to ubuntu support discussion in the channel only ?
[08:01] <ikonia> yes/no
[08:01] <grendal-prime> yes
[08:01] <grendal-prime> although
[08:01] <ikonia> no although
[08:01] <ikonia> yes/no
[08:01] <grendal-prime> ok ok but can i talk to you guys about this later?
[08:01] <ikonia> no
[08:02] <grendal-prime> ok yes no whats next
[08:02] <ikonia> it's not a policy that is up for discussion
[08:02] <grendal-prime> so i talk to yo about it in another channel?
[08:02] <ikonia> grendal-prime: if someone is making offtopic comments in the channel, please don't try to make an issue out of it, just ask them to stop
[08:02] <ikonia> comfortable with that, yes/no
[08:02] <grendal-prime> sure
[08:02] <grendal-prime> sorry yes
[08:02] <ikonia> right, I'll remove the mute
[08:03] <ikonia> ok, I've removed the mute
[08:03] <grendal-prime> actually...i ..hmm rarely contribute to this thing now that i think about it...hmmm
[08:03] <ikonia> you're welcome to partipcate in ubuntu support discussion in #ubuntu now
[08:03] <grendal-prime> ok
[08:03] <ikonia> or you're welcome to leave #ubuntu if you don't need it
[08:04] <ikonia> whatever works for you
[08:04] <ikonia> and now that the issue is resolved, you're also requested to leave this channel.
[08:04] <grendal-prime> wow
[08:04] <grendal-prime> umm sorry ok
[08:04] <grendal-prime> i send my fcc emergency requirements to who?
[08:05] <ikonia> that's not our problem
[08:05] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[08:05] <grendal-prime> yep...ok
[08:05] <elky> fcc emergency requirements?
[08:05] <ikonia> so he can use the channel in an emergency
[08:05] <ikonia> it's the nonsense I was talking about earlier
[08:06] <elky> i'm more curious as to what he means by FCC
[08:06] <ikonia> I assumed he meant the USA gonverment group, FCC
[08:28] <ikonia> grendal-prime: how can we help now ?
[08:29] <grendal-prime> sorry i was trying to get to the ops for freenode...as it turns out the fcc says they do need to suppy some sort of channel for emergencys.  or so it seems..the are looking more into it
[08:29] <grendal-prime> its not up to you guys
[08:29] <ikonia> no they don't
[08:30] <grendal-prime> ok
[08:30] <ikonia> I'm in #freenode and just saw the conversation you had in there
[08:30] <ikonia> stop telling lies and wasting time or you'll end up just getting banned
[08:30] <ikonia> it's that simple
[08:30] <grendal-prime> ya but not with the fccs
[08:30] <ikonia> leave
[08:30] <grendal-prime> okd
[09:30] <bkerensa> Any ops awake?
[09:31] <bkerensa> ;)
[09:32] <ikonia> yes
[09:32] <ikonia> sure
[09:32] <ikonia> what's up ?
[09:34] <bkerensa> there is a user being disruptive in #Ubuntu
[09:34] <bkerensa> User: gorillanoananana
[09:37] <elky> number 8 version?
[09:37]  * elky tries to not laugh.
[09:37] <bkerensa> :P
[09:37] <jpds> He left.
[09:37] <bkerensa> jpds: Yep just noticed :) epic morning
[09:38]  * elky goes to check the moon phase
[09:38] <tonyyarusso> elky: Moon face is 1% illuminated. || Moon phase: New || Next full moon is on Thursday 10 November
[09:38] <elky> maybe we've started hitting the no moon issue
[09:38] <elky> because that's always what you say, tonyyarusso
[09:39] <jpds> ubottu should really announce the moon phases.
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> Indeed, that seems to be the recent pattern.
[09:39] <elky> if werewolfs come out on full moons, what comes out for no moon?
[09:39] <elky> werewolves*
[09:40] <ldunn_> weretrolls
[09:40] <elky> maybe vampires? didn't someone write a vampire book about new moons?
[09:40] <bkerensa> ;p
[09:40] <tonyyarusso> +1 if "New Moon" means a young women's magazine to you
[09:41] <bkerensa> someone will soon be here to discuss earthquakes likely
[09:41] <jpds> Raptures.
[09:41] <bkerensa> Thunderstorms
[09:42] <elky> tonyyarusso, hilariously a bi-monthly magazine according to wikipedia
[09:42] <bkerensa> I'm certain there are zines for everything
[09:42] <tonyyarusso> What's funny about that?
[09:43]  * elky blinks at tonyyarusso
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> oh, right
[09:43] <elky> you are kidding me, right?
[09:43] <tonyyarusso> 5AM - I'm excused
[09:43] <jpds> Apology accepted.
[09:44] <elky> it is even more ironic if the magazine was initially named as it is as a reference to menstrual cycles.
[10:16]  * popey stabs jpds 
[10:16] <jpds> popey: What? I left out the /
[10:16] <elky> hah
[10:16] <elky> yeah, he's going to start talking to you though
[10:17] <jpds> Good luck with that.
[10:36] <elky> uh...
[10:37]  * elky points to #u
[10:50] <yrg> hi
[10:50] <ikonia> hello there
[10:50] <yrg> you could look at mr_placid at #ubuntu please?
[10:50] <ikonia> sure
[10:51] <yrg> he is giving bad advice as it seems
[10:51] <ikonia> yes, the scroll back isn't mega
[10:52] <ikonia> yrg: I'll keep an eye on it, thanks
[10:53] <yrg> thank you
[12:06] <Pici> Interesting hilights this morning...
[16:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> ugh, stupid ZNC
[16:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> Anyways, i have a recommendation for a factoid.
[16:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> something to address the use of shorthand in general
[16:46] <pangolin> !u
[16:46] <TheEvilPhoenix> pangolin:  something slightly differnet... 'ryt' is not in the db afaict
[16:46] <pangolin> ryt but I think !u gets the point across
[16:46] <pangolin> :)
[16:47]  * TheEvilPhoenix has the insatiable urge to slap pangolin for violating the philosophy of !u
[16:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[16:47] <pangolin> heh
[16:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> just thought i'd ask
[16:47] <pangolin> TheEvilPhoenix: you can submit a factoid /msg ubottu !foo is bar
[16:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> btw, do all new factoid requests get forwarded to here, when the syntax !blah is <something> is used by a non-bot-operator ?
[16:48] <pangolin> yes
[16:48] <TheEvilPhoenix> i see.
[17:42] <gonko> hei, what the hell?
[17:42] <jussi> gonko: hi
[17:42] <gonko> hi, a bot says i'm a flooder
[17:43]  * jussi looks
[17:43] <Pici> gonko: your excessive cursing triggered our abuse filter on our bots.
[17:43] <Pici> jussi: I already took care of it.
[17:43] <jussi> oh, thanks Pici
[17:43] <Pici> gonko: Please mind your language in the future when you use our channels :)
[17:44] <gonko> Pici, sorry, I swear that I can't say mono or banshee
[17:44] <gonko> in the future :)
[17:45] <gonko> but, for that little question, is there a way to solve?
[17:45] <Pici> gonko: I've already unmuted you.
[17:47] <gonko> ah, ok, i ask in the channell