[09:43] <kelemengabor> New langpacks in oneiric-proposed \o/
[11:05] <TLE> kelemengabor: nice, I'll ask for confirmation from pitti that they are all there and send out emails to the list
[11:05] <kelemengabor> TLE: okay
[12:03] <TLE> kelemengabor: hey
[12:03] <kelemengabor> TLE: pong
[12:04] <TLE> Was there something about some translations that was not included in the release at all, that should now be distributed via the lang packs?
[12:05] <kelemengabor> hm, IIRC deja-dup help was one such
[12:05] <kelemengabor> but others don't come into my mind
[12:05] <TLE> ok
[12:05] <kelemengabor> btw, that one is fixed now
[12:11] <TLE> yes, that is what I wanted to say in the call for testing email ;)
[12:40] <kelemengabor> TLE: somehow, I'm unhappy with the update schedule. I mean one full update on week 2, and one on week 34? Nothing in between?
[12:43] <TLE> kelemengabor: that was what we discussed, but since it is the first time we do it, it is of course entirely possible that it is not optimal
[12:47] <kelemengabor> TLE: I'd like to see one more full update, for example the third one, so that slower teams can reach&release full docs translations before focus is completely switched to Precise
[12:47] <kelemengabor> I'll complain on the ML, so that dpm sees it too :)
[12:49] <TLE> please in the coordination list, I don't want to take focus away from the fact that we have a schedule and thet people are supposed to start testing
[12:50] <TLE> in any case, it probably wont be the third update, since IIRC that coincides with some ubuntu engineering event, where most developers will be busy
[12:51] <TLE> but maybe we could split 5 up into 4 and 6 or something
[12:51] <kelemengabor> TLE: okay, I won't distract people :)
[12:52] <TLE> kelemengabor: well it is just so easy to turn focus on a ML
[12:52] <kelemengabor> btw, what if the third one is colliding with an event? we are writing the schedule: delay it by a week! :)
[12:59] <TLE> kelemengabor: well, it was only a problem for a full update, they didn't think it was a problem for a delta pack, therefore I saw no reason to deviate from the 2, 6, 12, 22 schedule, but off course of we want a full one there we will move it
[13:00] <TLE> but I would like a but discussion of it first, so that we are relatively sure, writing calendars in wiki tables and moving objects around in my google calendars are not among my favorite accupations
[13:01] <TLE> ;)
[13:04] <TLE> afk coffee
[14:46] <kelemengabor> artnay: mdke: my mind will soon blow up: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/udg.png
[14:47] <kelemengabor> we will never get rid of bug #814822 :(
[14:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 814822 in yelp-tools (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) ""Ubuntu Desktop Guide" message is not translated (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814822
[14:58] <kelemengabor> erm, this gets stranger every day: the string is not present in the pot file in bzr, but it is present in the po files
[18:17] <paultag> So, how much paperwork will I have to file for a new locale and translation rights?
[18:18] <paultag> or at the very least, fork all the translations to a local branch
[18:18] <paultag> either en_MA.utf-8 or en_US.utf-8@BOS
[21:50] <mdke> kelemengabor: sorry, this one has me completely stumped. Is the problem caused by the image? If so maybe we should remove the image
[21:51] <kelemengabor> mdke: no, not the image
[21:51] <kelemengabor> I have no idea why is it happening
[21:51] <kelemengabor> the upstream branch is okay
[21:51] <kelemengabor> the ubuntu one is not
[21:51] <mdke> usually the only solution when something like this happens is to ask shaunm
[21:52] <mdke> he is the only person who understands enough
[21:52] <kelemengabor> and yet, the po files contain the string
[21:52] <mdke> or do you think this is a Launchpad issue?
[21:53] <kelemengabor> mdke: the strange thing is that when I do a make pot on the ubuntu branch, it extracts the string correctly
[21:54] <mdke> I'm wondering if the pot file which gets exported when I take translations from Launchpad is different to the one which is produced by "make pot" - is that possible?
[21:55] <kelemengabor> mdke: I'd be surprised, but nothing is impossible
[21:55] <kelemengabor> do you commit that too?
[21:56] <mdke> yes, probably it overwrites the pot in the branch
[21:56] <mdke> this is the string, right? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/revision/50
[21:56] <mdke> (see the change to index.page on that diff)
[21:57] <kelemengabor> yes
[22:00] <mdke> how many languages have you tested it in?
[22:01] <kelemengabor> well, I have installed a few
[22:02] <kelemengabor> in the latest langpack, sl has it translated, and the others (hu, fi, es, de) present but not translated in the page file
[22:03] <kelemengabor> and in lauchpad, it is present in all languages, at least now
[22:03] <kelemengabor> so the only mystery is, why is it not present in the pot?
[22:05] <mdke> look at this from hu.po
[22:05] <mdke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/721126/
[22:06] <mdke> it seems not to be translated?
[22:06] <mdke> in sl, if I open sl/index.page in yelp, it works
[22:07] <mdke> so maybe sl is ok
[22:07] <kelemengabor> it is
[22:07] <mdke> ok, so why is the problem not as simple as "the string isn't translated in other languages"
[22:07] <kelemengabor> so in theory, now the po files are good
[22:09] <kelemengabor> hm, wait
[22:09] <mdke> in fi, the story seems to be the same as hu - the string isn't translated in the po file
[22:10] <kelemengabor> the imported pot file is generated by launchpad, not the one stored in bzr, which is old
[22:10] <kelemengabor> then now everything is right, I'll close that bug
[22:10] <kelemengabor> sorry for the noise
[22:10] <mdke> hang on
[22:11] <mdke> what are you saying is old?
[22:11] <kelemengabor> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+imports - this one is imported, and all good
[22:11] <kelemengabor> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntu-docs/oneiric/files/head:/ubuntu-help/
[22:11] <kelemengabor> the one here is old
[22:12] <mdke> but that one isn't relevant, what matters is the one in the ubuntu-docs bzr branch
[22:12] <kelemengabor> and because it is for 11.10.4, not 11.10.5, which is the latest update
[22:12] <kelemengabor> yep, this confused me
[22:13] <mdke> ok, we're getting there
[22:13] <mdke> so what seems to have happened is that an old version of the pot file was broken
[22:13] <kelemengabor> it is just me, confusing things
[22:13] <mdke> and now it's ok, but loads of languages don't have it translated?
[22:13] <kelemengabor> yes
[22:13] <kelemengabor> and yes
[22:13] <mdke> we should tell the translators
[22:13] <mdke> maybe the change came through late for some reason
[22:14] <mdke> the problem is that the next documentation langpack update is like 9 months away on the basis of the current timetable :(
[22:15] <kelemengabor> I have already complained on the UTC list about the timetable
[22:15] <mdke> tell me something. Is making the langpack a "full" update very work intensive?
[22:15] <kelemengabor> I think it is reasonable to have one more update, but I got no answer yet
[22:15] <mdke> why aren't they all "full"
[22:16] <kelemengabor> work intensive: I can't really tell, as far as I know
[22:16] <kelemengabor> dpm has to tick a box here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+language-packs (because he has permission)
[22:17] <kelemengabor> and then tell pitti to manually fetch the export and run the package generator woodoo
[22:18] <kelemengabor> delta langpacks are fully automatic in this regard
[22:18] <mdke> I see. Well, let me know what the outcome is
[22:19] <kelemengabor> and the reason for their existence is IIRC that they mean smaller load on the infrastructure in terms of export/build/bandwidth
[22:19] <mdke> I agree with you that some more "full" updates would be warranted unless there is a downside which we don't appreciate
[22:19] <mdke> ah
[22:19] <kelemengabor> or so has told ArneGoetje a few UDS back
[22:20] <kelemengabor> one more question comes into my mind
[22:22] <kelemengabor> so, we have now the upstream ubuntu-docs project to translate, and the ubuntu package. which one is the real deal, that gets packaged?
[22:22] <mdke> (I've marked that bug as fixed btw)
[22:22] <kelemengabor> I'm not sure that I understand the whole workflow here :(
[22:23] <mdke> the upstream project
[22:23] <mdke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2011-May/004756.html
[22:24] <kelemengabor> oops, I think I missed this one
[22:24] <mdke> :)
[22:24] <kelemengabor> thanks!
[22:24] <mdke> I was quite reluctant to make the move because of confusion like this, but I saw many other projects had also done it, and it provided some advantages for us
[22:25] <mdke> feel free to document it everywhere you can!
[22:25] <mdke> ok, thanks for the help, I'm going to get to bed
[22:25] <kelemengabor> I'll do! good night!
[22:26] <mdke> good night