| popey | Morning all! | 05:45 |
|---|---|---|
| popey | also Ugh. | 05:45 |
| MartijnVdS | Good morning popey | 05:58 |
| DJones | Morning all | 07:05 |
| MartijnVdS | woo, old bt mouse still working | 07:14 |
| ali1234 | british telecom? | 07:18 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: no, it has blue teeth | 07:23 |
| BigRedS | It took me way too long to work out what you meant by that | 07:57 |
| MartijnVdS | and it's not even Friday! | 08:02 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:02 |
| BigRedS | it isn't? bah :( | 08:07 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:08 |
| MartijnVdS | So.. I need a new disk to store lots of big things® (>1TB, photos and music) | 08:08 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm looking at 7200 RPM SATA-600 disks.. anything I should look out for? | 08:08 |
| MartijnVdS | (as in, "Don't buy brand X" or "Brand Y disks are faster") | 08:08 |
| BigRedS | WD & Seagate are traditionally where to look, I think WD are more highly regarded than Seagate these days | 08:09 |
| BigRedS | for longevity at least. I don't do speed :) | 08:09 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: I know, everything will be faster than my current "green" 5400RPM disk | 08:10 |
| MartijnVdS | but still! | 08:10 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: where will you backup the disk to? | 08:32 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: my 2TB NAS :) | 08:35 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: (same as my current disk) | 08:35 |
| oimon | is the correct answer :) | 08:35 |
| MartijnVdS | and once I get fibre, that NAS is going to make backups to another NAS at my parents :) | 08:35 |
| BigRedS | oimon: no, 'the cloud' is the correct answer | 08:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I've used Samsung Spinpoints for years. Very pleased with them. | 08:36 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Although they've sold that off to seagate now iiuc | 08:36 |
| MartijnVdS | For some reason none of the stores in the area have >1TB disks in stock | 08:36 |
| MartijnVdS | I think I'll wait a few weeks/months. The current disk is fine. :) | 08:40 |
| bigcalm | Gooooooooooooood morning, here :) | 08:41 |
| MartijnVdS | howdy bigcalm | 08:41 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:42 |
| bigcalm | Hiya MartijnVdS & czajkowski :) | 08:43 |
| bigcalm | Is it the weekend yet? | 08:43 |
| awilkins | MartijnVdS, That would be because of the Great Disk Shortage of 2011 | 08:43 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: Why? | 08:43 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: Thailand flooding? | 08:44 |
| awilkins | MartijnVdS, Big flood. Destroyed Thailand | 08:44 |
| JamesTait | Thoroughly happy Thursday, everyone! :) | 08:45 |
| MartijnVdS | Woo autumn photos :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6282743765/in/photostream/lightbox/ | 08:45 |
| czajkowski | thursday you say *yawns* | 08:49 |
| iclebyte | mornin' | 08:54 |
| * AlanBell gives up on the Unity switcher and turns on the old compiz one | 08:55 | |
| bigcalm | It's one of those days where I still haven't decided which IDE to load | 08:57 |
| bigcalm | Time for coffee I think | 08:58 |
| awilkins | Hmmph. The disk crisis has pushed prices up something mental | 09:06 |
| awilkins | The sweetspot for SATA drives seems to have moved up to somewhere around 2.5TB | 09:06 |
| awilkins | Which cost £20 more than the 1TB ones at the moment... wonder how long that will last | 09:06 |
| bigcalm | There's a crisis? | 09:07 |
| DJones | China Crisis? | 09:08 |
| MooDoo | Time Crisis? | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | Time Crisis 2? | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | Jinx | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | ish | 09:08 |
| MooDoo | lol | 09:08 |
| bigcalm | Spent far too much of my time and money on that game during my college days | 09:09 |
| iclebyte | bigcalm, you missed the point of college. | 09:11 |
| iclebyte | mine was spent on beer and looking at unachievable women. | 09:11 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:11 |
| daubers | awilkins: There was a 15-20% jump on Monday | 09:11 |
| bigcalm | iclebyte: I also spent far too much time and money in the local pubs during my college days | 09:11 |
| daubers | (wholesale) | 09:11 |
| bigcalm | Hi brobostigon | 09:12 |
| brobostigon | hi bigcalm | 09:12 |
| awilkins | daubers, More that that, I remember 1TB drives being about £64 incVAT | 09:12 |
| daubers | awilkins: Sorry, that's wholesale (what we buy them at at work) obviously retail ones will go higher still | 09:12 |
| awilkins | Now they are in the £90 region | 09:12 |
| awilkins | Grr. | 09:12 |
| daubers | awilkins: We spent about 50-60k on drives last week to try and weather this out :) | 09:13 |
| awilkins | Just as I was thinking of building a new MythTV box ( hi there ikonia !! :) ) | 09:13 |
| ali1234 | so what happened then? | 09:13 |
| awilkins | A flood destroyed 1/3rd of the worlds hard drive production in Thailand | 09:13 |
| ali1234 | i see | 09:13 |
| daubers | Flooding in thailand has destroyed western digi plants and hitachi plants | 09:13 |
| daubers | also, 75% of the motors used in HDD's were produced there | 09:14 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 09:14 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: ouch | 09:14 |
| awilkins | Ah, that's rather more serious then | 09:14 |
| bigcalm | Indeed | 09:14 |
| daubers | WD reckon they'll have their plant running at some capacity by feb/march | 09:14 |
| oimon | anyone else dicsovered big issues since upgrading thunderbird? i get 5 second lag when typing plain text email | 09:14 |
| daubers | hitachi will probably be similar | 09:15 |
| Dave2 | a/sb end | 09:15 |
| awilkins | So drives for the immediate future are going to be expensive, and crap (non-optimized production lines making components they previously didn't) | 09:15 |
| daubers | Yup | 09:15 |
| MartijnVdS | so.. switch to Seagate? | 09:15 |
| daubers | awilkins: Moral of the story is, ssd's might suddenly become more popular | 09:15 |
| czajkowski | gah VLC you will be the death of me | 09:15 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: Seagate will go up too, as they won't be able to ramp up production enough to fill the gap | 09:15 |
| czajkowski | keeps flipping crashing and stopping and no sound mid way | 09:15 |
| awilkins | daubers, The SSD pricing is already getting to the point where I'd get one for a main system drive | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | I want 1TB or larger SSD | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | + affordable | 09:16 |
| awilkins | daubers, But I still need large drives for my gaming habit | 09:16 |
| daubers | awilkins: Yeah, I almost bought one for my laptop, but bike test next month means no moneys | 09:16 |
| jpds | MartijnVdS: Would you like a pony with that? | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | jpds: Yes please. And the moon. On a stick. | 09:16 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I just had a delivery of 600GB ones, only about £700 a piece I think | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: getting there, but not quite :) | 09:18 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: your UTF-8 is broken (you're sending Latin1) | 09:25 |
| daubers | Hmmm? It's whatever xchat is set to | 09:26 |
| bigcalm | Hybrid | 09:26 |
| awilkins | It's set in the server prefs | 09:28 |
| awilkins | The default for "Ubuntu Server" appears to be UTF-8 | 09:28 |
| * awilkins is surprised and also incredulous - ‽ | 09:29 | |
| daubers | Mine was indeed set to Hybrid | 09:30 |
| awilkins | What is Hybrid ... it's not even on my list (xchat-gnome) | 09:30 |
| bigcalm | popey: got a moment to look at something for me? | 09:30 |
| bigcalm | I really should see a doctor, but I'm lazy | 09:31 |
| * Laney wolf whistles | 09:31 | |
| bigcalm | awilkins: it's listed as IRC (Latin/Unicode Hybrid) | 09:33 |
| bigcalm | YMMV in xchat-gnome | 09:33 |
| awilkins | bigcalm, It doesn't seem available. Hooray for progress :) | 09:34 |
| bigcalm | *shrug* | 09:34 |
| popey | bigcalm: wassup? | 09:35 |
| bigcalm | Aha | 09:35 |
| nubae | Join #ltsp | 09:40 |
| MartijnVdS | nubae: you need to add a / in front of that :) | 09:40 |
| nubae | yes i know :-) slip of the hand | 09:40 |
| BigRedS | ah, that reminds me. I'm after a windows terminal server-alike way of getting at a remote ubuntu machine | 09:41 |
| BigRedS | pointedly, with a desktop matching the resolution of the *client* rather than the server | 09:41 |
| BigRedS | and I can't seem to find one | 09:41 |
| nubae | BigRedS, ummm can u explain that a bit better, its slightly confusing | 09:42 |
| nubae | in linux we have LTSP linux terminal server | 09:42 |
| nubae | in windows, citrix, or if u want to go that way AD (LDAP) | 09:42 |
| oimon | BigRedS: i like freenx. | 09:43 |
| nubae | either way what do u want to run on the clients, linux or windows? | 09:43 |
| oimon | you can suspend sessions and use ssl certs for access..and it's SUPER fast | 09:43 |
| nubae | thats not quite the same as a terminal system | 09:44 |
| BigRedS | nubae: er, clients will be debian or ubuntu | 09:44 |
| nubae | then my suggestion, run ltsp, even if its off a windows virtualised partition | 09:45 |
| BigRedS | ltsp off windows? hm? | 09:46 |
| * BigRedS wanders off to look at ltsp | 09:46 | |
| nubae | What would be better is a dedicated LTSP server of course | 09:46 |
| BigRedS | no it wouldn't | 09:46 |
| nubae | but i suppose u need the windows server for something | 09:46 |
| BigRedS | I basically want VNC but I want to view the remote desktop at the resolution of the local monitor | 09:47 |
| nubae | then oimon is right, run freenx | 09:47 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15816/changing-the-resolution-of-a-vnc-session-in-linux | 09:48 |
| nubae | ltsp is probably too much too soon for you | 09:48 |
| nubae | or vmware or virtualbox | 09:48 |
| BigRedS | ltsp just looks like it's solving a different problem | 09:48 |
| BigRedS | virtualbox? | 09:48 |
| nubae | both do full screen | 09:49 |
| nubae | yes oracles version of vmware | 09:49 |
| nubae | opensource version | 09:49 |
| BigRedS | no, I know what it is | 09:49 |
| BigRedS | I just don't understand how it helps | 09:49 |
| oimon | btw freenx does not show the desktop like VNC, it allows multiple resumable sessions at the display res you choose | 09:49 |
| nubae | right | 09:49 |
| nubae | he doesnt want vnc i dont think | 09:50 |
| nubae | think of the latency | 09:50 |
| nubae | multiple vnc sessions at once | 09:50 |
| nubae | gah | 09:50 |
| oimon | oof | 09:50 |
| oimon | http://ubuntuone.com/4zuLKh5Zz4Et4OrRcrIl94 | 09:50 |
| oimon | allows choice of DE and screen res. | 09:51 |
| BigRedS | I have a PC on my desk with a biggish monitor, and another in another room with a diddy monitor on it. I'd like to connect to it with a big monitor, basically. | 09:51 |
| BigRedS | it's all on the same gigE net so latency's really not likely to be a problem. I'm pondering bodging a length of cat5 into a vga cable... | 09:51 |
| nubae | ummmm... | 09:51 |
| MartijnVdS | HDMI-over-Cat5e extender? :) | 09:52 |
| nubae | and what do both systems run? | 09:52 |
| nubae | windows? | 09:52 |
| BigRedS | no | 09:52 |
| BigRedS | they're both ubuntu | 09:52 |
| BigRedS | well, there's a debian client, too, but I don't really midn what I use | 09:52 |
| nubae | so just do a ssh -X | 09:52 |
| BigRedS | I imagine the client is the easy bit | 09:52 |
| BigRedS | yeah, that had ocurred to me, I just assumed there was some more, er, pretty way | 09:52 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: check out xpra as well | 09:53 |
| nubae | whats unpretty about that? u can always write a script to make it pretty | 09:53 |
| AlanBell | then you can move running apps between machines | 09:53 |
| dwatkins | BigRedS: you mean have the monitors next to each other, or mirror the image to them both? You can send VGA over CAT5 if you really want. | 09:53 |
| BigRedS | Nah, I want to have almost exactly VNC, but have the remote desktop be dictated by the resolution of the client's. Or be arbitrary | 09:54 |
| BigRedS | and I assumed there'd be some sort of even-my-dad-could-do-it methd which I could try, and file some bugs about or something | 09:55 |
| nubae | have u looked at vinagre? | 09:55 |
| nubae | its a vnc alternative | 09:55 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: Oooh, that looks like fun | 09:55 |
| nubae | it might allow for that | 09:55 |
| BigRedS | it's a vnc client isn't it? | 09:55 |
| oimon | is xpra like synergy? | 09:55 |
| oimon | !info xpra | 09:56 |
| lubotu3` | xpra (source: parti-all): X Persistent Remote Applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.6-0ubuntu10 (natty), package size 41 kB, installed size 264 kB | 09:56 |
| nubae | it is, but its a really good one | 09:56 |
| dwatkins | BigRedS: you mean remote control VNC or join-together-two-machines VNC like with Synergy+? | 09:56 |
| BigRedS | I like the "So basically it's screen for remote X apps. " from their site | 09:56 |
| BigRedS | remote control | 09:56 |
| dwatkins | x11vnc? | 09:57 |
| nubae | if u are going vnc route choose vinagre | 09:57 |
| dwatkins | I use that to grab the existing display (i.e. VGA console) of my server and continue with existing apps, as opposed to starting a new X session on a virtual display number. | 09:58 |
| BigRedS | almost exactly the 'remote desktop connection' thing that ubuntu ships with, or tightvnc or whatever, but where I get a desktop whose resolution matches my monitor, not that of the server | 09:58 |
| nubae | trust me | 09:58 |
| MartijnVdS | vinagre++ | 09:58 |
| MartijnVdS | nubae: except it doesn't talk to realvnc servers (on windows) | 09:58 |
| MartijnVdS | I just get "Connection closed" | 09:58 |
| nubae | yreah but he wants ubuntu to ubuntu | 09:58 |
| BigRedS | I thought vinagre was just a vnc client? Can the client set the resolution? I assumed that was down to the server | 09:58 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: the client can scale down | 09:59 |
| MartijnVdS | BigRedS: (or up) as necessary | 09:59 |
| dwatkins | There used to be a way to have persistent virtual VNC sessions. | 09:59 |
| dwatkins | I've done it on SLES before, where you can log back in to server:11 and still have your apps there | 10:00 |
| dwatkins | (11 being arbirtary) | 10:00 |
| dwatkins | (perhaps even arbitrary, too) | 10:00 |
| oimon | i even find VNC sucks a bit on the LAN too | 10:00 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: yeah, i've got scaling, but that's just done by making the pixels bigger :) | 10:00 |
| BigRedS | yeah, it's not great. I used to do a boatload of support by vncing over a lan... | 10:01 |
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| nubae | yep, which is why real pros use ltsp ;-) :p | 10:03 |
| BigRedS | I must've completely misunderstood what ltsp is | 10:04 |
| popey | BigRedS: you're not pro :D | 10:05 |
| BigRedS | popey: Good lord no! I've seen professionalism and I don't like it :) | 10:05 |
| nubae | it'll take while to sink in... but its a terminal server | 10:06 |
| popey | "Not for me!" | 10:06 |
| nubae | ie clients are just dummy clients | 10:06 |
| BigRedS | nubae: yeah, it's basically citrix for linux isn't it? I don't get how that helps with VNCing to workstations | 10:06 |
| bigcalm | Sounds like my work | 10:06 |
| BigRedS | but that's mostly besides the point. I don't deal with things that have mice any more generally :) | 10:07 |
| nubae | u wouldnt need to | 10:07 |
| nubae | u install ltsp on the computer with small monitor | 10:07 |
| nubae | then u do a session from big monitor one | 10:08 |
| BigRedS | and I can still log in locally to the diddy one? | 10:09 |
| BigRedS | I suppose at worst I'd just need to initate a session to localhost presumably | 10:09 |
| nubae | getting everythin running smooth as hell from ltsp session | 10:09 |
| nubae | sure u ¡can set up fat clients in ltsp | 10:10 |
| nubae | and anywya it goes by accounts | 10:10 |
| nubae | ie... ever user has their own account so u set one up for diddy | 10:10 |
| nubae | and one for biggy | 10:11 |
| BigRedS | but I want the same desktop on both | 10:11 |
| nubae | even easier | 10:11 |
| nubae | login with diddy on both | 10:11 |
| nubae | whatever what u hack it there's a solution | 10:12 |
| nubae | go read up on ltsp first | 10:12 |
| BigRedS | haha, yeah. I was just hoping for a more, er, simple one :) | 10:12 |
| nubae | think there is a primer somewhere | 10:12 |
| nubae | well ull learn a hell of a lot | 10:12 |
| nubae | and its stuff worth learning | 10:13 |
| nubae | u might finally understand how linux really works ;-) | 10:13 |
| BigRedS | Nah, I get enough of that in the day really | 10:13 |
| BigRedS | I'm trying quite hard to be a normal user when I get home :) | 10:14 |
| nubae | either way setting it up is a 3 step process | 10:14 |
| nubae | its easy | 10:14 |
| BigRedS | cool. I'll have a faff next time I manage to get annoyed at screen resolutions :) ta | 10:14 |
| nubae | its just the internals which are fascinating and cool | 10:14 |
| BigRedS | can the internals be easily avoided? | 10:15 |
| gordonjcp | internals of what? | 10:16 |
| BigRedS | ltsp | 10:16 |
| BigRedS | I just want to press 'go' and have the thing work | 10:17 |
| gordonjcp | oh, that stuff | 10:17 |
| BigRedS | it does graphics, graphics scare me | 10:17 |
| gordonjcp | isn't it just vnc with some extra bumf stuck on? | 10:17 |
| BigRedS | probably. All I want is VNC where the resolution is dictated by that of the client rather than the server | 10:17 |
| BigRedS | I think I might just accept the scaling and be done with it | 10:17 |
| gordonjcp | I don't ge tthe point of that | 10:17 |
| BigRedS | depends how bored/annoyed I get | 10:17 |
| gordonjcp | surely that's what X is for? | 10:17 |
| BigRedS | yeah, that was my first thought. Here's a chance to learn X, run an X client on one machine and an X server on the other | 10:18 |
| BigRedS | and then I remembered about X and thought that that's just a way to get really irritated | 10:18 |
| ali1234 | why don';t you just use X? | 10:18 |
| ali1234 | it's much easier to use than VNC | 10:18 |
| gordonjcp | well yeah, but if you're using X to begin with you may as well just tunnel it over ssh and save yourself the bother | 10:19 |
| ali1234 | VNC never works right | 10:19 |
| nubae | ssh -X | 10:19 |
| nubae | never fails | 10:19 |
| ali1234 | i have never seen it fail | 10:20 |
| nubae | thast by fair the easiest solution | 10:20 |
| ali1234 | even when the local X server is completely messed up, ssh -X localhost always seems to work | 10:20 |
| jpds | xpra++ | 10:20 |
| jpds | Much better than ssh -X | 10:20 |
| BigRedS | it was more that I was expecting the built in clicky way of doing it to work and when it didn't I wondered if there was some other method I could use that would also be appropriate for pointing other people at | 10:20 |
| ali1234 | it's also very handy for when you added yourself to a group and don't want to logout | 10:20 |
| AlanBell | !info openerp-client | 10:21 |
| lubotu3` | openerp-client (source: openerp-client): Enterprise Resource Management (client). In component universe, is optional. Version 5.0.14-1 (natty), package size 529 kB, installed size 2896 kB | 10:21 |
| AlanBell | yay, nobody got round to updating it :) | 10:21 |
| ali1234 | xpra has all the same flaws that VNC has | 10:21 |
| jpds | ali1234: Such as? | 10:22 |
| ali1234 | such as it reduces everything to bitmaps | 10:23 |
| ali1234 | and presumably has no encryption | 10:23 |
| jpds | ali1234: xpra can use SSH. | 10:23 |
| jpds | xpra attach ssh:IP.address:1 | 10:23 |
| ali1234 | yeah, well, you can tunnel vnc through ssh as well, if you screw around with it long enough | 10:24 |
| jpds | But, yeah; in my experience xpra isn't anywhere near as latent as ssh -X. | 10:26 |
| oimon | is it weird that the postoffice owners were burning joss sticks in the shop today? it was a bit overpowering and nauseating | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Maybe they have egg sandwiches for lunch | 10:29 |
| daubers | bigcalm: Now I'm even hungrier | 10:32 |
| oimon | it was 9am, just opened | 10:32 |
| oimon | massive queue of OAPs at 9.01 | 10:32 |
| daubers | "When I was a lad this was all post offices as far as the eye can see"? | 10:33 |
| DJones | oimon: Were the the post office owners Hindu by any chance, I think today it a major celebration (Dewali) for them | 10:33 |
| oimon | ah, possibly | 10:33 |
| oimon | lots of fireworks last night | 10:33 |
| DJones | Whoever was talking about the HDD prices & flooding destroying/damaging factories cause shortages http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/10/27/wd_lake_3.jpg | 10:37 |
| oimon | reading RMS "rider" of requirements confirm my suspicions that he is an aspie https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/pipermail/developers-public/2011-October/007647.html | 10:37 |
| gordonjcp | s/aspie/arsehat/ | 10:38 |
| gordonjcp | ftfy | 10:38 |
| ali1234 | where's the list part? | 10:38 |
| oimon | well, it explains why he acts like he does, and can't help it | 10:38 |
| ali1234 | "I do not eat breakfast. Please do not ask me any questions about what I will do breakfast. Please just do not bring it up." | 10:39 |
| ali1234 | lol | 10:39 |
| gordonjcp | oimon: because he's a total dick? | 10:39 |
| oimon | gordonjcp: no. he might act like one, but if he has aspergers it explains his behaviour | 10:40 |
| gordonjcp | with the social skills of a telephone pole? | 10:40 |
| gordonjcp | pff | 10:40 |
| gordonjcp | I'm inclined to disagree | 10:40 |
| gordonjcp | there are plenty of people with Aspergers who are not self-important pricks | 10:40 |
| oimon | people with aspie syndrome generally don't get made spokesman for a company | 10:40 |
| oimon | for good reason | 10:41 |
| ali1234 | here's the thing | 10:41 |
| oimon | he is delivering the conditions for relating to him and accomodating him | 10:41 |
| oimon | he needs a PR person for his outbursts | 10:41 |
| popey | he needs to step down | 10:42 |
| gordonjcp | he needs to shut the hell up | 10:42 |
| ali1234 | all you people need to stop complaining about RMS and take a look at yourselves | 10:42 |
| gordonjcp | and stop making ridiculous demands in his rider | 10:42 |
| ali1234 | i don't see him making any ridiculous demands | 10:42 |
| ali1234 | i see *you* making ridiculous demands about what he must do | 10:42 |
| gordonjcp | ffs, notable dickheads Oasis don't have as much arseholery in their rider | 10:42 |
| oimon | really? they walk off stage rather easily. that is due to ego though | 10:43 |
| ali1234 | if you don't like it you are free to not ask him to come and talk at your event | 10:43 |
| kvarley | gordonjcp:Watch your language please. | 10:43 |
| gordonjcp | oimon: right, but their rider is rather less rectocranially-orientated | 10:43 |
| gordonjcp | oimon: if rms walked off stage mid-blether it could only be an improvement | 10:44 |
| ali1234 | "A microphone is desirable if the room is large. No other facilities are needed." | 10:44 |
| gordonjcp | at least you might miss him singing | 10:44 |
| ali1234 | so unreasonable | 10:44 |
| ali1234 | how could we ever accomodate such incredible requests such as the availability of a microphone at a lecture? | 10:44 |
| ali1234 | it's simply impossible i tell you | 10:44 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: look at his demands for internet connectivity, then | 10:45 |
| popey | it doesnt strike me as unreasonable | 10:45 |
| popey | none of it is unreasonable. it's quirky | 10:45 |
| ali1234 | none of it is unreasonable, and most of it probably exists because at some time in the past, someone asked him | 10:45 |
| ali1234 | and so it got added to the list | 10:45 |
| gordonjcp | popey: his big long list of stuff he won't eat is fairly unreasonable | 10:45 |
| ali1234 | that's where riders come from, all of them | 10:45 |
| oimon | do you agree that he is probably aspie though? | 10:46 |
| gordonjcp | he did that when he came to glasgow, demanded fed and then refused to eat anywhere we suggested | 10:46 |
| gordonjcp | oimon: no | 10:46 |
| oimon | ali? | 10:46 |
| ali1234 | i dunno | 10:46 |
| ali1234 | i don't think you can make a medical diagnosis based on such little evidence | 10:46 |
| oimon | i am usually right in my diagnoses | 10:47 |
| oimon | i know quite a few | 10:47 |
| gordonjcp | so do I, so do most of us | 10:48 |
| gordonjcp | in my limited experience of clinical psychology I'd guess he probably is a *little* to the aspie end of the spectrum but that is mostly overridden by his vastly overinflated pompous ego | 10:48 |
| gordonjcp | from my experience I find that people with aspergers tend to have rather better manners than rms exhibits | 10:50 |
| oimon | nobody can claim they weren't told of his requirements :) | 10:50 |
| gordonjcp | even if they are a bit odd in their social contact | 10:50 |
| popey | oimon: i would be surprised if he wasn't aspie | 10:54 |
| oimon | maybe they could fork the FSF | 10:54 |
| ali1234 | so his entirely unreasonable demands relating to internet connection consists of: a secure internet connection where ssh works | 10:54 |
| oimon | and a bit more | 10:55 |
| awilkins | "Meetina a sad parrot is not an agreeable surprise" | 10:56 |
| awilkins | I don't think that's unreasonable, even it's a bit odd to state it up dront | 10:56 |
| oimon | nothing to ID him, no proxy, hotel doesn't ask for passport, nothing wireless,.. | 10:56 |
| awilkins | And my typing is very off today | 10:56 |
| ali1234 | the only possible reason that entire paragraph could be in there is because one time someone did exactly that | 10:56 |
| awilkins | Quite possibly | 10:57 |
| popey | indeed, the whole document smacks of lots of notes made after individual failures | 10:57 |
| oimon | he feels compelled to validate everything (except breakfast) | 10:57 |
| ali1234 | popey: exactly my reading of it | 10:57 |
| ali1234 | like i said, that's where *all* those crazy rock'n'roll riders come from | 10:57 |
| oimon | he could just say, don't buy me a parrot...or not mention the parrot thing at all | 10:58 |
| popey | i think you're overanalysing it :D | 10:58 |
| oimon | this document explains him more than any interview | 10:59 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't say "don't buy me a parrot" | 10:59 |
| ali1234 | it says "don't buy a parrot (for yourself) to try to impress me" | 10:59 |
| oimon | oh yeah | 11:00 |
| gordonjcp | yeah, I mean he wants to stay in a hotel that won't ask for a credit card or any form of ID | 11:00 |
| gordonjcp | good luck with that | 11:00 |
| awilkins | He prefers to stay with private individuals | 11:00 |
| awilkins | One of my colleagues saw him leaving Leeds train station when he came to give a talk here. | 11:01 |
| ali1234 | i've never needed anything other than the WPA key in any hotel i've ever been in | 11:01 |
| ali1234 | and the key is usually the name of the hotel or something silly like that | 11:01 |
| * Laney is enjoying the quiz | 11:02 | |
| ali1234 | of course it usually doesn't work properly, because wireless is a bit rubbish like that | 11:02 |
| popey | :D | 11:02 |
| oimon | on the continent , ID cards are typical so they would expect a passport to be shown to stay at a hotel. i had trouble visiting a client at a bank because they wanted my passport, and i'd left it at the hotel | 11:02 |
| Laney | i think i know what is officially supported | 11:02 |
| popey | yeah, I thought I did too! :D | 11:02 |
| Laney | don't want to say | 11:02 |
| awilkins | I'm recognizing lots of my own traits in here, to be honest | 11:02 |
| awilkins | So pretty aspie | 11:03 |
| oimon | everyone has particular likes and dislikes. and i assume he is single, so used to getting his own way. however he is quite extreme on the spectrum | 11:03 |
| awilkins | Although I'm more socially adjusted than this... but I haven't lived at MIT for most of my life | 11:03 |
| oimon | and you don't eat your feet in front of an audience | 11:03 |
| oimon | i hope | 11:04 |
| Laney | yay, i was right | 11:04 |
| awilkins | Nope | 11:04 |
| Laney | "what is on ports.ubuntu.com" was my guide | 11:04 |
| * oimon remembered every dr who except for the current one :-\ | 11:04 | |
| MooDoo | oimon: why not the current one? | 11:05 |
| oimon | couldn't remember his surname | 11:05 |
| awilkins | "Smith" | 11:06 |
| oimon | AKA chinhead | 11:06 |
| MooDoo | lol | 11:06 |
| ali1234 | mike smith right? | 11:06 |
| awilkins | Matt Smith | 11:06 |
| * oimon wonders who matt baker is | 11:06 | |
| ali1234 | who am i thinking of? | 11:07 |
| MooDoo | oimon: the one show | 11:07 |
| oimon | LOL..probably influenced by 2 other dr's | 11:07 |
| MooDoo | oimon: he's also on country file | 11:07 |
| Myrtti | PSA: Adobe has -50% off from Lightroom today if you get it from their site. Not strictly Ubuntu news, but thought someone might be interested | 11:07 |
| ali1234 | what's lightroom? | 11:07 |
| MooDoo | Myrtti: already have it :D | 11:07 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: windows version of darktables | 11:07 |
| ali1234 | is it photoshop? | 11:08 |
| Myrtti | MooDoo: or mac | 11:08 |
| MooDoo | photography work flow solution | 11:08 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: no | 11:08 |
| ali1234 | why would i want it then? | 11:08 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: no editing, but you can do a hell of a lot with it | 11:08 |
| awilkins | More for pro photographers, isn't it | 11:08 |
| MooDoo | awilkins: nope not really, anyone can use it : | 11:08 |
| MooDoo | brilliant for catalogin | 11:09 |
| awilkins | I go for the "big folder" method | 11:09 |
| MooDoo | ie everyting in one folder? | 11:09 |
| MooDoo | well i think it's interesting Myrtti thanks, although i already am a user :) | 11:10 |
| ali1234 | £1,509 for CS production :( | 11:12 |
| MooDoo | worth it though if you're into all that :) | 11:12 |
| ali1234 | no it isn't | 11:12 |
| MooDoo | why not? | 11:13 |
| awilkins | I seem to be channeling Stallman now in my latest email to boss about why phone conferences are not useful to me for discussing technical issues | 11:15 |
| awilkins | Always a risk when I read an extended section of prose ... absorb it's personality | 11:16 |
| ali1234 | wow, if you buy photoshop, after effect, and illustrator separately it costs £2000 | 11:17 |
| oimon | awilkins: i started doing it too! | 11:18 |
| oimon | i wrote about what happened when a user demanded admin rights on a pc | 11:18 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: that's why it's better to buy production | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | they are basically paying you £500 to take a free copy of flash :) | 11:18 |
| oimon | went on a rant, and had to delete it as a tangent | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | hey, if you go through the business site, it;s £100 less | 11:19 |
| oimon | and the edu site..even better | 11:20 |
| jacobw2 | Afternoon | 11:29 |
| MooDoo | afternoon | 11:31 |
| popey | oooo better sandy bridge support in linux 3.1 | 11:34 |
| popey | wonder if that means minecraft will work properly on my i7 now | 11:34 |
| * popey pokes gord and ali1234 who know about these things | 11:34 | |
| awilkins | popey, Isn't Minecraft support more to do with OpenGL drivers? | 11:34 |
| ali1234 | i don't know anything about it | 11:34 |
| gordonjcp | I bet there were at least two people pretty much as influential in Free software as rms at Oggcamp | 11:35 |
| gordonjcp | imagine if we all presented riders like that | 11:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah right | 11:35 |
| ali1234 | who? | 11:35 |
| gordonjcp | I don't know | 11:35 |
| ali1234 | i mean, if you include people who are a bad influence, and just want to compromise the ideals to get short term success, then maybe | 11:35 |
| gordonjcp | lol | 11:35 |
| popey | heh | 11:35 |
| gordonjcp | ali1234: back under your bridge, you ;-) | 11:36 |
| * gordonjcp -> food | 11:36 | |
| popey | hah! | 11:36 |
| jacobw2 | minecraft doesn't work on your i7? | 11:38 |
| awilkins | What's better, BTW, i5 or i7? | 11:39 |
| awilkins | I hate this modern trend for model numbers not meaning ANYTHING | 11:39 |
| awilkins | I get why they do it instead of model names ; you think "Celeron - inferior" | 11:40 |
| awilkins | But I just think i3 ? i5 ? i7 ? My brain hurts | 11:40 |
| jacobw2 | ha, "celeron.. inferior" is my thought process exactly. | 11:41 |
| popey | it is what you think it is | 11:41 |
| popey | jacobw2: it works but the graphics corrupt | 11:41 |
| * awilkins just thinks the processor with the most L2 cache is the best these days | 11:42 | |
| * GirlyGirl wonders what's up with the linux folk and minecraft | 11:43 | |
| jacobw2 | minecrack | 11:44 |
| popey | hmm? | 11:44 |
| MooDoo | GirlyGirl: ti's a good program :D | 11:44 |
| awilkins | It's one of the games that ought to run as well on Linux as Windows.... and it also appeals to the mindset that Linux appeals to as well | 11:44 |
| awilkins | You can make of the game what you want of it, as long as you have the skill | 11:44 |
| jacobw2 | i've still not tried it | 11:45 |
| RhysMorgan | Afternoon All | 11:45 |
| RhysMorgan | HOw can I get apt to use a proxy which requires domain level authentication? | 11:46 |
| RhysMorgan | I have tried export http_proxy=http://domain\user:pass@proxy:port/ | 11:46 |
| * awilkins has not reached the Minecraft Event Horizon where you get good enough to be really drawn into it | 11:46 | |
| RhysMorgan | but that doesn;t seem to work | 11:46 |
| awilkins | RhysMorgan, ISA server? NTLM auth? | 11:46 |
| RhysMorgan | awilkins, | 11:46 |
| RhysMorgan | awilkins, yes | 11:46 |
| awilkins | RhysMorgan, One of the more successful approaches I've tried is ntlmaps | 11:46 |
| popey | +1 | 11:47 |
| popey | i use that too | 11:47 |
| popey | works _brilliantly_ | 11:47 |
| awilkins | It's a python proxy server that does the auth for you | 11:47 |
| awilkins | And you connect programs to that | 11:47 |
| RhysMorgan | Will take a look thankyou | 11:47 |
| popey | i have to use it at work to get a stupid java download tool working through the stupid proxy | 11:47 |
| awilkins | The more secure NTLM config that's becoming more prevalent needs you to tweak the default config from just LM to LM & NT though | 11:47 |
| awilkins | It locked me out of the domain yesterday because I hadn't done that | 11:48 |
| awilkins | It was the first time I had used it in a while | 11:48 |
| awilkins | The other thing I do for the office proxy is open an SSH tunnel to my router at home and put everything over SOCKS | 11:49 |
| popey | yeah, i do that too | 11:50 |
| RhysMorgan | It would be nice if Ubuntu had an OS level way of setting the proxy like on mac | 11:50 |
| awilkins | I hate bloody ISA server configured to do NTLM | 11:50 |
| popey | it does | 11:50 |
| awilkins | RhysMorgan, It does, but alas, it's not the best design I can think of | 11:50 |
| popey | some apps dont respect it | 11:50 |
| * popey coughs Ubuntu One | 11:50 | |
| awilkins | Heh, yes | 11:50 |
| popey | although thats on the plan for this cycle | 11:50 |
| RhysMorgan | lol, oversight? | 11:50 |
| awilkins | And if you use a PAC script, it just passes the URL to the application | 11:51 |
| popey | its because the vast majority of free software developers dont sit behind a proxy | 11:51 |
| awilkins | I think that's mental | 11:51 |
| RhysMorgan | and apt doesn;t respect that? | 11:51 |
| popey | if they did they'd realise what a massive pain in the arse it is | 11:51 |
| popey | it does | 11:51 |
| BigRedS | RhysMorgan: its be good if it was possible to have them ignore it, too :) | 11:51 |
| awilkins | Does apt understand PAC scripts? | 11:51 |
| popey | no | 11:51 |
| awilkins | I use a PAC script, my browsers understand it, but apt / update-manager don't | 11:52 |
| popey | misunderstood | 11:52 |
| awilkins | Thinking about it, it would be better if the OS just provided a local proxy if you used a PAC script | 11:52 |
| awilkins | Even better for the apps that can't use a SOCKS proxy | 11:52 |
| awilkins | Previously I thought it would just be great if the OS supplied libproxy support | 11:53 |
| awilkins | So if you have a PAC script rather than passing the script URI to applications asking for proxy, it just starts a proxy server and passes it's local URI | 11:54 |
| RhysMorgan | Sounds like an RFE in the making :P | 11:54 |
| popey | i never use pac scripts I just look for the proxy server address and use that | 11:54 |
| popey | pac scripts are for windows users, not me | 11:55 |
| awilkins | popey, I use PAC scripts because I move the machine between networks | 11:55 |
| RhysMorgan | You should see the size of the pac script used where I am working at the moment | 11:55 |
| popey | so do i | 11:55 |
| awilkins | popey, I guess we just have different tolerances for reconfiguring things | 11:55 |
| awilkins | I use the PAC script for browsing, and tsocks for other things | 11:56 |
| popey | heh | 11:56 |
| popey | yeah | 11:56 |
| awilkins | I don't even think Empathy does PAC scripts | 11:56 |
| awilkins | Probably not Gwibber either | 11:56 |
| RhysMorgan | My window title bars have all just disappeared :O | 11:57 |
| jacobw2 | if its useful, Empathy won't do it | 11:57 |
| awilkins | I install Pidgin for this purpose because it's awkward to start Empathy with tsocks | 11:57 |
| awilkins | But this kind of thing is why GNU/Linux distributions are perceived as not ready for Enterprise (tm) | 11:58 |
| awilkins | Really, all the default apps should support the full gamut of proxy features | 11:58 |
| oimon | has anyone successfully stripped DRM from a kindle file? some of my books are >50 years old, i would want my ebooks to last that long. and the only way i can assure that is by ensuring they will work in future ebook readers before investing in them | 11:58 |
| BigRedS | awilkins: it's the rules: wait until it's nearly ready, then start working on a replacement | 11:58 |
| BigRedS | oimon: I haven't, but I know several people who have | 11:59 |
| oimon | BigRedS: good answer :) it's prob legal for books we own | 12:00 |
| BigRedS | I doubt it :( | 12:01 |
| BigRedS | but yeah, not me guv. honest! | 12:01 |
| ali1234 | i have stripped drm from an ebook that was compatible with the kindle, but it wasn't in kindle format | 12:02 |
| ali1234 | i can't remember what format it was in | 12:02 |
| oimon | i just discovered that there are ebook lending libraries | 12:02 |
| oimon | however they have limited copies of books | 12:03 |
| oimon | and it's mainly Z-list biogs | 12:03 |
| awilkins | Yeah, they are allowed to lend each eBook about 20 times because that's how long it takes to wear out a paper one | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | i was looking in the kindle "blogs" section | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | it's like 75% erotic fiction | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | i was shocked | 12:04 |
| ali1234 | i did not expect this | 12:04 |
| awilkins | Which is nuts - hey, let's take one of the major selling points of electronic media, and make sure we completely negate it! | 12:04 |
| oimon | http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/EBook_Lending_Libraries#London | 12:05 |
| awilkins | I'm also shocked by the stats on how long it takes to wear out paper books | 12:05 |
| awilkins | Are people really that careless? | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | does kindle support epub? | 12:05 |
| * oimon used to work in a library | 12:05 | |
| ali1234 | if it does, that's probably what format it was | 12:05 |
| oimon | ali1234: no. despite epub being the digital book standard | 12:05 |
| awilkins | oimon, Do they use kippers for bookmarks, or something? | 12:05 |
| ali1234 | oh it was a .mobi format | 12:06 |
| oimon | kindle supports that | 12:06 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 12:06 |
| oimon | i hated getting the returned books with sticky covers | 12:07 |
| oimon | now i have a kid, i love the ability to get childrens books from teh library. | 12:08 |
| awilkins | I have very fond memories of my weekly trip to the library with mother | 12:08 |
| oimon | as an adult i'd only use it othrewise if ebook lending was widespread | 12:08 |
| awilkins | They are closing our local library. Which was a pale shadow of the library back home anyway. | 12:09 |
| awilkins | I'd suggest making it into an ebook library with a cafe, but that would be scuppered by the need for a reader. | 12:10 |
| awilkins | And the publishers, who don't actually want you to have ebooks | 12:10 |
| DJones | oimon: I worked/volunteered in a library as well, didn't get paid, just did it because I loved reading & it got me all the latestest books before they went on the shelves | 12:10 |
| oimon | my sister used to work for a publisher. a huge cost goes into the cover design and printing and binding. they are ripping off consumers of ebooks | 12:11 |
| oimon | "Kindle Format 8 will replace the existing Mobi format Amazon used previously" wonder if that means what i think it means | 12:12 |
| oimon | i hate being tied into kindle | 12:13 |
| oimon | but wifey has one | 12:14 |
| RhysMorgan | I refuse to buy a kindle, although I think they have come up with a great concept, as always it's marred by vendor lock-ins | 12:14 |
| oimon | if only epub worked on it | 12:16 |
| RhysMorgan | I'm still searching for a decent solution for the iPad that I can use in conjunction with dropbox | 12:16 |
| BigRedS | I'm using a kindle without any vendor lockin | 12:18 |
| BigRedS | I've not bought anything from amazon | 12:18 |
| BigRedS | I just feed it free (and, er, 'freed') ebooks | 12:18 |
| oimon | which format do you use? or convert with calibre? | 12:18 |
| RhysMorgan | But doesn't that negate the "think of it and start reading in 30 seconds" concept? | 12:18 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 12:18 |
| BigRedS | oimon: I have, er, friends that send stuff to me | 12:18 |
| BigRedS | I've ignored most of the details | 12:18 |
| BigRedS | mobis I think | 12:19 |
| RhysMorgan | It would be cool if like the cydia idea you could direct a kindle at a secondary repository | 12:19 |
| oimon | i understand kindle allows 14 day lending - anyone tried it? | 12:19 |
| oimon | my mum has loads of books on her kindle and i want to read some | 12:19 |
| oimon | without changing accounts et | 12:19 |
| Monsterwizard | I still use a sony e-reader | 12:21 |
| Monsterwizard | I hate DRM | 12:21 |
| RhysMorgan | Has anyone got an ipad and found a decent solution? | 12:22 |
| RhysMorgan | I tend to use my advent vega and use aldiko when I want to read | 12:22 |
| oimon | !info calibre | 12:24 |
| lubotu3` | calibre (source: calibre): e-book converter and library management. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.44+dfsg-1build1 (natty), package size 9311 kB, installed size 34012 kB | 12:24 |
| oimon | The latest release of calibre is 0.8.23..looks for ppa | 12:25 |
| jacobw2 | lbotu is looking at natty | 12:26 |
| oimon | jacobw arrgh i thought they fixed that | 12:27 |
| oimon | newer calibre on lucid is a dependency beast | 12:27 |
| oimon | due to python2.7.1 and qt reqs | 12:28 |
| MartijnVdS | 3 | 12:38 |
| MartijnVdS | 3 ` | 12:38 |
| MartijnVdS | oops, sorry about those | 12:38 |
| jacobw2 | 3? | 12:38 |
| RhysMorgan | I thought it was 42? | 12:38 |
| MartijnVdS | laptop came back from suspend with half-open connections :) | 12:38 |
| MartijnVdS | 3 + 3 = 4 + 2 | 12:39 |
| oimon | total used free shared buffers cached / Mem: 1016384 963328 53056 0 5260 848048 /Swap: 1036284 1036284 0 | 12:39 |
| oimon | think i need to change my swappiness? | 12:39 |
| oimon | 850MB in RAM cache but 1GB swap used. | 12:40 |
| oimon | xorg seems to be very leaky in xfce | 12:42 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: depends on how often you used the in-swap data | 12:42 |
| oimon | let's say the machine wasn't very responsive :) | 12:43 |
| RhysMorgan | Why is it after an apt-get upgrade my grub screen now says Debian? | 12:43 |
| oimon | i wonder what PPAs you have on your machine RhysMorgan | 12:43 |
| RhysMorgan | all ubuntu natty | 12:44 |
| RhysMorgan | += jdownloader && natty | 12:45 |
| gord | rms sure is an odd ball https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/pipermail/developers-public/2011-October/007647.html | 13:02 |
| denny | heyla. I had to install a fresh 11.10 system recently after I fried my existing system... I'm having trouble getting DVDs to play. I followed all the instructions/links I got fed by Totem and by Google and installed various 'bad/ugly/etc' packages, and ran the decss.sh or whatever it's called, but still no go. Interestingly, VLC does play them (but the audio sync is out). Any thoughts? | 13:03 |
| oimon | gord: scrollback to discussion at 11.37 this morning :P | 13:04 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Is this anything you need to be concerned about http://googlegeodevelopers.blogspot.com/2011/10/introduction-of-usage-limits-to-maps.html IFrom memory, doesn't the ubuntu-uk map use the google api | 13:05 |
| DJones | It was linked from http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/27/google_maps_api_no_longer_free/ | 13:06 |
| AlanBell | DJones: isn't that old news? | 13:07 |
| DJones | AlanBell: I don't know, I only just saw it on the register front page, it could well be old new thats coming into effect | 13:08 |
| AlanBell | ok, it is a new change, but we won't be getting anything like 25,000 hits per day | 13:09 |
| ali1234 | i thought the gmap died? | 13:10 |
| ali1234 | why is it even using google instead of OSM? | 13:10 |
| AlanBell | show me how to do that with OSM and I totally will do it | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | what does it do? just draw pins on a map of the UK? | 13:15 |
| AlanBell | the map on Launchpad died because if you want to use https (which launchpad does) then you can't embed a map without paying lots | 13:15 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: and allows people to place their own pin | 13:16 |
| AlanBell | without knowing their latitude and longitude | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | is there a kml file somewhere then? | 13:16 |
| jacobw2 | gord: wow | 13:20 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: http://ubuntu-uk.org/?ajax_map&action=132 | 13:27 |
| gordonjcp | pfft, paranoid Ubuntu battery monitor | 13:47 |
| gordonjcp | "Low" isn't 20 minutes left, low is 20 seconds left | 13:47 |
| dogmatic69 | i have seen on the web at some point you can use apt-get <something> to output a list of apps installed and then run apt-get <somethingelse> on another server and its all installed. anyone have an idea? | 13:48 |
| oimon | dogmatic69: it was mentioned on UUPC not so long ago | 13:50 |
| AlanBell | dpkg --get-selections | grep '[[:space:]]install$'| awk '{print $1}' > installedpackages | 13:52 |
| oimon | AlanBell: there's a better one | 13:52 |
| AlanBell | you can do something with dpkg --set-selections | 13:52 |
| BigRedS | well, you feed set-selections the output of --get-selections | 13:53 |
| oimon | i think it was popey who explained why there was a better alternative | 13:53 |
| oimon | something to do with dependencies | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | dpkg --get-selections >packages.txt | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | dpkg --set-selections <packages.txt | 13:53 |
| BigRedS | but you lose the manual/automatic flags on the packages and I can't remember how you're now supposed to do it | 13:53 |
| oimon | yeah that was it | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | then sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade | 13:54 |
| dogmatic69 | AlanBell: so just those 3? 1) on first server 2) and 3) on new server? | 14:02 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I think so | 14:02 |
| BigRedS | dogmatic69: yeah | 14:05 |
| dogmatic69 | cool, thanks | 14:05 |
| dogmatic69 | will try it now | 14:05 |
| daubers | Ooooooh coffee time | 14:08 |
| AlanBell | what is hadoop for? | 14:19 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: distributed computing? | 14:21 |
| BigRedS | that's about the limit of my depth of understanding of it, though | 14:21 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I get that bit, and I know what map-reduce is, just have no idea who would want to use it | 14:21 |
| MooDoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Hadoop | 14:21 |
| MartijnVdS | Hadoop = amazing | 14:23 |
| BigRedS | MartijnVdS: that's a bit of a vague description :) | 14:24 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: it's a framework for applying map/reduce on massive datasets (distributed across lots of machines) | 14:24 |
| AlanBell | yeah, why would I want to do that? | 14:25 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: Say you have several million phone call records, and you want to generate a bill, one for each calling number | 14:25 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: you could just loop over the millions of records, and wait a long time | 14:25 |
| MartijnVdS | but using map/reduce, you chop up the data across multiple machines, create a mapping (number, price) for each record | 14:26 |
| MartijnVdS | then reduce -> sum everything with the same number up | 14:26 |
| MartijnVdS | so you end up with lots of number -> total_price | 14:26 |
| MartijnVdS | and it scales up with more hardware, instead of "heavier" hardware (faster CPU etc.) | 14:27 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: or, say, indexing the web | 14:27 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapReduce | 14:27 |
| AlanBell | ok | 14:27 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sk7cOqB9Dk | 14:31 |
| MartijnVdS | ^ on-line checkout IRL :) | 14:32 |
| oimon | am i just unlucky or does everyone have to do the u1sdtool -d /-c /-s dance to actually get/send files via ubuntu one? | 14:44 |
| NET||abuse | hi guys. i was trying to run a little virtual machine setup, using cloudmin on ubuntu, and to run a setup from an ubuntu 11.10 iso unattended? | 15:05 |
| NET||abuse | is it possible? | 15:06 |
| BigRedS | I probably wont know the answer, but I can't find the question in that. | 15:06 |
| BigRedS | ah! Well, preseeding's been around for ever. which is possible but fiddly | 15:06 |
| NET||abuse | well, it won't install from the default ubuntu 11.10 amd64 server edition iso | 15:06 |
| NET||abuse | so , yeh, how can i get the install to run unatended | 15:07 |
| BigRedS | here end my knowledge, though. there's probably a more cloudy way of doing it | 15:07 |
| NET||abuse | possibly | 15:08 |
| kirrus | NET||abuse: there's this in the documentation on preseeding: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/appendix-preseed.html | 15:08 |
| kirrus | Dunno if that helps or not | 15:08 |
| BigRedS | actually, there's that virt-<something> that builds images for you | 15:09 |
| BigRedS | that's what yout want | 15:09 |
| BigRedS | but I can't remember its name | 15:09 |
| NET||abuse | ooh, sounds good | 15:10 |
| BigRedS | NET||abuse: I think this is what I was thinking about: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/ubuntu-vm-builder.html | 15:45 |
| danfish | hello hello | 15:49 |
| danfish | in the venerable UUPC podcasty thing popey mentioned a commandline util to enable wake on lan | 15:50 |
| danfish | anyone remember it? | 15:50 |
| MartijnVdS | danfish: | 15:51 |
| MartijnVdS | powerwake - remotely wake a napping system | 15:51 |
| MartijnVdS | wakeonlan - Sends 'magic packets' to wake-on-LAN enabled ethernet adapters | 15:51 |
| popey | etherwake | 15:51 |
| MartijnVdS | one of those? | 15:51 |
| danfish | tx - but I think it was a command to enable the wake on lan on the remote system - or is that a bios only thing? | 15:53 |
| MartijnVdS | danfish: it's a bios thing | 15:53 |
| daubers | danfish: Sometimes you can do it using ethtool | 15:53 |
| daubers | As you might need to enable it on the card (As well as the bios) | 15:53 |
| MartijnVdS | ethtool -s eth0 wol g | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | ^ wakes up on "magic packet" | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | ethtool -s eth0 wol s | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | ^ wakes up on "magic packet" with password (might not be supported) | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | ethtool -s eth0 sopass foo | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | ^ serts password | 15:54 |
| danfish | thanks all - spot on as usual :) | 15:55 |
| MartijnVdS | danfish: Look for the "Supports Wake-on" and "Wake-on" lines in "ethtool" output | 15:55 |
| danfish | ok | 15:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Supports Wake-on: pumbg | 15:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Wake-on: g | 15:56 |
| MartijnVdS | says mine | 15:56 |
| * daubers might finally be coming out of caffeine withdrawal \o/ | 15:56 | |
| daubers | Only a gentle headache this morning | 15:57 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: on which end? :) | 15:57 |
| danfish | ah - remote machine (revo) seems to have had indigestion with the oneiric update ;) | 15:57 |
| danfish | will try later | 15:57 |
| daubers | They do that | 15:57 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: (I mean.. by ingesting more caffeine, or by pulling through a caffeine-free phase) | 15:57 |
| danfish | daubers: how may a day were you? | 15:57 |
| danfish | s/may/many | 15:57 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: By dropping from ~8-9 cups of coffee a day to 2, one in the morning, one at 3 | 15:58 |
| danfish | daubers: I was going to say that's a lot, but I can get through 6 cans of diet coke in a day | 15:59 |
| daubers | Also, I think the exercise thing is slowly starting to pay off, as I generally seem to have more energy over the past week or so | 15:59 |
| daubers | danfish: Diet coke is icky. I'm allowed one tin of coke a day if I've been exceptionally productive | 16:00 |
| daubers | (makes it about a tin a week at the moment) | 16:01 |
| danfish | daubers: heh - good re the exercise - what are you doing? | 16:01 |
| * danfish needs to start exercising again | 16:01 | |
| daubers | danfish: Squash \o/ Once a week, as I gave up running as I got bored of it. Doing squash with some mates is a bit more social | 16:01 |
| daubers | Even if I'm rubbish at it :) | 16:01 |
| MartijnVdS | ooh | 16:02 |
| MartijnVdS | ethtool can set network offloading flags | 16:02 |
| danfish | ooh - I used to play squash and there's a club nearby \o/ | 16:02 |
| daubers | Heh :) | 16:02 |
| daubers | There's a fair few squash courts in reading, and at ~£6 a session it's not too pocket horrific | 16:03 |
| danfish | on a week of holiday - chores done 0, exercise done 0, sofa time lots, slob rating 100% | 16:07 |
| MooDoo | i've got two speeds, slow and stop :D | 16:11 |
| daubers | heh :) | 16:11 |
| mattt | danfish: sounds like my holidays | 16:30 |
| mattt | always have a huge list of things to do | 16:30 |
| mattt | end up getting nothing done :( | 16:30 |
| danfish | mattt: I've decided not to beat myself up about it. So long as doing nothing doesn't become a habit ;) | 16:54 |
| dwatkins | Sounds like most of my weekends. | 17:15 |
| MartijnVdS | FINALLY | 17:46 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?answer=1631744 | 17:46 |
| MartijnVdS | Google Plus for Apps accounts | 17:46 |
| popey | ooo | 17:46 |
| bigcalm | :| | 17:48 |
| MartijnVdS | http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2011/10/google-is-now-available-with-google.html for the blog post | 17:48 |
| ali1234 | we heard you like google, so we put a google in google so you can google while you google | 17:50 |
| bigcalm | :D | 17:50 |
| bigcalm | Not gone to the URL, but I assume the + has been dropped from part of the title to make the slug | 17:51 |
| ali1234 | yes | 17:51 |
| ali1234 | but i had to click on it before i figured it out | 17:51 |
| bigcalm | Ah, not a web dev? | 17:51 |
| ali1234 | yes actually | 17:51 |
| bigcalm | Oh :S | 17:51 |
| ali1234 | stuff like that always confuses me though | 17:52 |
| ali1234 | that, and the headlines on the BBC news RSS | 17:53 |
| ali1234 | smetimes i have to read them 3 or 4 times before i understand when they mean | 17:53 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 17:53 |
| * MartijnVdS adds a few people to Plus | 17:54 | |
| bigcalm | Their command of grammar isn't always understandable with one reading | 17:54 |
| ali1234 | popey: does trublr contain any of my code? or did you end up starting over? | 18:15 |
| popey | nope, all from scratch | 18:17 |
| ali1234 | does it handle X server restarts gracefully | 18:17 |
| ali1234 | ? | 18:17 |
| popey | no | 18:19 |
| popey | but it could do | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | looks good anyway | 18:22 |
| popey | thanks | 18:23 |
| popey | needs some work | 18:24 |
| popey | be nice if it could be financed by donations or something | 18:24 |
| popey | I really haven't tested how many concurrent connections the server will support | 18:24 |
| popey | or how much bandwidth it will need per person | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | it's centralized? | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | btw, this is exactly the kind of initiative i wanted to see the other day :) | 18:27 |
| popey | it routes traffic through a central box, yeah | 18:27 |
| popey | the client sets up an ssh tunnel to the central box port forwarding from helper to helpee | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | ooo | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | firefox says: "The operation can not be completed because of an internal failure. A secure network communication has not been cleaned up correctly." | 18:30 |
| popey | nice | 18:30 |
| Monsterwizard | How come people think I am less technical if I use Xchat on windows? | 19:38 |
| Monsterwizard | There's no other good IRC clients on Windows :/ | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | i use pidgin | 19:38 |
| ali1234 | anyone who judges technical ability based on what irc client you use is a noob | 19:39 |
| ali1234 | same goes for any software | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | it's what you do with it | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | ah, the penis size argument ;) | 19:40 |
| gordonjcp | Monsterwizard: putty, to ssh to the server where you run irssi in screen | 19:43 |
| Monsterwizard | it's not the size of the worm it's how you wiggly it? | 19:43 |
| Monsterwizard | Well I'm gonnna run irc in emacs | 19:44 |
| Monsterwizard | lol | 19:44 |
| Monsterwizard | why? oh just to over complicate things for other people when they use the computer | 19:44 |
| daubers | Evening | 19:45 |
| gordonjcp | Monsterwizard: that's as good a reason as any | 19:50 |
| DJones | Heh, the Japanese have made a Terrahawk :) http://laughingsquid.com/spherical-flying-drone-hovers-like-a-helicopter-flies-at-40-mph/ | 19:50 |
| gordonjcp | DJones: Terrahawks! | 19:54 |
| mgdm | :D | 19:54 |
| DJones | Gerry Anderson tv series from a few decades ago :) | 19:55 |
| mgdm | Oh, we know :) | 19:56 |
| andres-kain | hello, I have my inlaws netbook seems to only boot into busybox. | 20:10 |
| andres-kain | says mounting/dev on /root/dev failed: no such file or directory | 20:11 |
| andres-kain | would installing a new version of ubuntu on it work? | 20:12 |
| ali1234 | probably | 20:14 |
| ali1234 | you should boot a live image and examine the partitions for errors | 20:14 |
| andres-kain | thanks will do that! | 20:17 |
| andres-kain | not even exit on busy shell works.. kernel panic-not syncing: attempted to kill init! | 20:19 |
| ali1234 | well yeah that will happen if there is no root filesystem | 20:20 |
| andres-kain | what tool checks partition errors? | 20:21 |
| ali1234 | fdisk and fsck | 20:21 |
| andres-kain | failed to mount /dev/sda1 | 20:24 |
| andres-kain | ran $dmseg | tail | 20:27 |
| andres-kain | ext4-fs (sda1): error loadin journal | 20:27 |
| andres-kain | will this mean something is physically broken? | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 20:29 |
| andres-kain | gparted seems to see the drives. | 20:31 |
| andres-kain | if i cant mount it, i cannot do fdisk right? | 20:35 |
| andres-kain | ok, answering myself here: sudo fsck /dev/sda1 | 20:41 |
| andres-kain | ignored some sort of error said yes twice... | 20:42 |
| andres-kain | claering orfans... | 20:43 |
| andres-kain | inodes... | 20:43 |
| andres-kain | ali1234 fdisk lets it mount! great i'll try to mount | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | hahaha butthurt perl programmers | 21:14 |
| Andres-kain | ali1234 you are my sister-in-law unsung hero. of course i took all the credit of fixing her netbook. | 21:26 |
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| hux__ | when I press shut down my pc only logs off | 22:06 |
| hamitron | you could try the command: sudo shutdown -h 0 | 22:08 |
| hamitron | as a temp fix, till you properly sort it | 22:08 |
| hux__ | thanx hamitron | 22:08 |
| ali1234 | does anyone fancy having a go at this shredder challenge? | 23:38 |
| Azelphur | shredder challenge? | 23:41 |
| ali1234 | http://www.shredderchallenge.com | 23:41 |
| Azelphur | way too advanced for me :P | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | not really | 23:42 |
| ali1234 | it's just a jigsaw puzzle | 23:42 |
| Azelphur | as a human sure, I dunno I guess you could look for color gradients as they continued and make a best effort guess | 23:43 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: do you know how the shredded documents are being sent to us? | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | individual scans of every single strip? lol | 23:44 |
| ali1234 | yeah basically | 23:44 |
| Azelphur | so you've got strips from multiple documents all bundled together, that makes it a little more difficult | 23:45 |
| ali1234 | the first puzzle is only one page | 23:45 |
| Azelphur | I dunno I guess I can take a look at it, I have done some PIL stuff in python before | 23:46 |
| Azelphur | although this seems more advanced mathematics than programming, which I'm not amazingly brilliant at xD | 23:46 |
| ali1234 | i feel like the best thing to do would be make a program that cuts out all the individual pieces and then displays them side by side and you click yes/no depending on if they look like they match | 23:48 |
| Azelphur | that'd be pretty easy | 23:49 |
| Azelphur | but yea, brb I got food cooking | 23:49 |
| Myrtti | aw, no fun, must be either US citizen or permanent resident | 23:49 |
| ali1234 | i'm sure we can find someone | 23:50 |
| Azelphur | "Entries ... must be a permanent resident or citizen of the United States" - way to limit the solution pool | 23:50 |
| Azelphur | or not, gg | 23:50 |
| ali1234 | or we could just troll the competition by releasing the answers publicly :) | 23:50 |
| hamitron | or work with someone from the US? | 23:54 |
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